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  • At last Buddy reaches #1

    DISC is again very much the outlier chart on quite a number of positions
    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

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    • First appearance of Neil Sedaka.

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      • My apologies for not noticing this before, but on the 7th March chart you have Donna by Ritchie Valens at 30 and on the 14th March chart you have Donna climbing to 25, but now it is the Marty Wilde version, so this should actually be a new entry (you have the Ritchie Valens version re-entering again on the 21st).

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        • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
          My apologies for not noticing this before, but on the 7th March chart you have Donna by Ritchie Valens at 30 and on the 14th March chart you have Donna climbing to 25, but now it is the Marty Wilde version, so this should actually be a new entry (you have the Ritchie Valens version re-entering again on the 21st).
          Thanks David for picking up on that oversight. I have now amended the chart for 14th March to reflect that correction.
          The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers

            ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 2nd 1959

            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 2nd 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
            Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 1 1 1 1 2 5940
            4 2 A Fool Such AS I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 2 2 2 3 1 5820
            2 3 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 3 4 3 2 3 5565
            3 4 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 4 3 4 5 5 5375
            5 5 Donna - Marty Wilde 5 5 5 4 4 5300
            6 6 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 6 6 6 6 7 4940
            7 7 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 7 7 7 7 9 4680
            11 8 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 8 9 9 8 6 4620
            8 9 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 9 8 8 9 8 4560
            28 10 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 10 13 11 14 12 3670
            17 11 Come Softly To Me - The Fleetwoods 11= 10 11 10 3635
            9 12 My Happiness - Connie Francis 11= 15 12 10 15 3475
            10 13 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 15 14 15 15 17 3155
            25 14 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters 13= 11 14 11 3125
            NEW 15 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 13= 12 10 14 2970
            13 16 Tomboy - Perry Como 18 17 18 20 18 2595
            12 17 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 16 16 13 18 2095
            15 18 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 17 18 12 1735
            20 19 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 24 19 19 1725
            NEW 20 Lovin' Up A Storm - Jerry Lee Lewis 28 16 20 1485
            24 21 Venus - Frankie Avalon 21 17 1310
            23 22 Never Mind / Mean Streak - Cliff Richard 19 17 16 1250
            18 23 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 26 13 1095
            NEW 24 Idle On Parade (EP) - Anthony Newley 20 13 1080
            14 25 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 19 900
            21 26 Venus - Dickie Valentine 20 825
            22 27 French Foreign Legion - Frank Sinatra 22 675
            16 28 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 23 600
            NEW 29 May You Always - Joan Regan 25 450
            26 30 By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - Little Richard 30 19 375
            Donna - Ritchie Valens 16 375
            May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 27 300
            Come Softly To Me - Craig Douglas 20 275
            19 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 29 150
            27 Early To Bed - The Poni-Tails
            29 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka
            30 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley
            The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

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            • Both DISC and MM have some strange omissions this week. DISC strangely omits Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters and Anthony Newley who are both ranked high on the other three charts, while MM omits The Fleetwoods who place 10/11 on the other three charts.
              The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

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              • RM again first to identify the next number one. NME then became the fastest chart in the 60s.

                Being ahead gives you kudos at the time, but
                is invisible in retrospect if all an enquirer wants to know is a record's peak position, weeks on chart and year.

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                • Greetings Pop Pickers

                  ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 9th 1959

                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 9th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                  1 1 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 1 1 1 1 2 5940
                  2 2 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 2 2 2 2 1 5860
                  3 3 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 3= 3 4 3 5 5455
                  5 4 Donna - Marty Wilde 3= 4 3 4 4 5425
                  8 5 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson 5 5 5 7 3 5240
                  4 6 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 6 6 6 5 7 4980
                  11 7 Come Softly To Me - The Fleetwoods 7= 7 9 8 6 4770
                  6 8 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 7= 8 7 6 9 4645
                  9 9 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 9 11 8 9 11 4155
                  15 10 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 11= 9 12 18 8 4025
                  14 11 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters 11= 10 11 15 10 3975
                  10 12 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 10 12 10 11 12 3890
                  7 13 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 13 13 13 10 15 3600
                  22 14 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard 14 14 17 13 13 3425
                  NEW 15 Fort Worth Jail - Lonnie Donegan 15 15 16 16 2700
                  24 16 Idle On Parade (EP) - Anthony Newley 16 17 18 14 2395
                  13 17 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 20 16 20 18 2180
                  18 18 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 17 21 15 14 1830
                  12 19 My Happiness - Connie Francis 18 19 12 1660
                  21 20 Venus - Frankie Avalon 20 19 1305
                  NEW 21 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 19 14 19 1145
                  23 22 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 23 20 1040
                  19 23 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 18 975
                  NEW 24 Where Were You On Our Wedding Day - Lloyd Price 17 840
                  17 25 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 22 675
                  RE 26 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury 20 660
                  20 27 Lovin' Up A Storm - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 560
                  NEW 28 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 24 525
                  29 29 May You Always - Joan Regan 25 450
                  26 30 Venus - Dickie Valentine 26 375
                  Donna - Ritchie Valens 16 375
                  16 Tomboy - Perry Como 27 300
                  Problems - The Everly Brothers 19 300
                  27 French Foreign Legion - Frank Sinatra 28 225
                  28 The Little Drummer Boy - The Beverly Sisters 29 150
                  Love's Made A Fool Of You - The Crickets 30 75
                  25 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey
                  30 By The Light Of The Silvery Moon - Little Richard
                  * The BBC tie at #11 is wrong as the points don't add up equally. FV should be 11 and AN 12 on the BBC list.
                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                  The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                  • Record Mirror is definitely looking the more influential chart at the moment. NME may have the larger chart panel but perhaps it also has more traditional record outlets on its panel. Maybe RM's panel is attracting a younger record buying audience?

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                    • One drawback of the phone method is that it takes longer, so I can see how in weeks NME were pressed for any reason they might cut back on the number of calls. Another is that if a store is not phoned every week it could get lax about compiling an accurate list, without the routine of having to send one off.

                      Petite Fleur one of the few British 50s records to chart high in the USA. Reached 3 here and 5 there. The same UK/US peak positions as Lonnie's Chewing Gum song, although he had to wait a couple of years for its US success.

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                      • When records first climb into the Top 20 I would expect them to be higher in NME if they were using 11+ inputs, as those records would feature strongly in the 11-20 section and be given a boost. But they aren't higher. So, if my logic is correct, I deduce that NME is also asking their stores for only Top 10s at this stage.

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                        • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                          Record Mirror is definitely looking the more influential chart at the moment. NME may have the larger chart panel but perhaps it also has more traditional record outlets on its panel. Maybe RM's panel is attracting a younger record buying audience?
                          Dave Taylor always maintained that Record Mirror's chart was the most accurate from 1957 onwards. This is also shown I think by how often it is a step ahead in what is #1 before the others follow. Also it rarely has a 'rogue' #1.
                          The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                          The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers

                            ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 16th 1959

                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 16th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            2 1 A Fool Sush As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 1= 1 2 2 1 5935
                            1 2 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 1= 2 1 1 2 5865
                            3 3 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 3 3 5 4 4 5450
                            5 4 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson * 5 8 3 6 3 5405
                            4 5 Donna - Marty Wilde 4 3 4 3 7 5335
                            6 6 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 6 5 6 5 8 4995
                            7 7 Come Softly To Me - The Fleetwoods 7 6 8 7 6 4910
                            10 8 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 8= 7 9 15 5 4550
                            8 9 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 8= 9 7 9 11 4330
                            12 10 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 10 11 10 8 9 4265
                            11 11 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters 11 10 11 10 10 4175
                            14 12 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard 12 12 14 11 13 3730
                            15 13 Fort Worth Jail - Lonnie Donegan 13 14 13 12 12 3625
                            9 14 C'mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 14 15 12 13 18 3175
                            13 15 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 15 17 15 14 16 3030
                            21 16 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 16 19 17 14 2270
                            24 17 Where Were You On Our Wedding Day - Lloyd Price 17 22 16 15 2010
                            20 18 Venus - Frankie Avalon 19= 16 19 1605
                            28 19 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 19= 18 17 1535
                            16 20 Idle On Parade (EP) - Anthony Newley 18 13 1350
                            18 21 Gigi - Billy Eckstine 26 18 20 1140
                            23 22 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 27 17 1140
                            19 23 My Happiness - Connie Francis 29 16 750
                            NEW 24 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - The Virtues 19 720
                            NEW 25 Hey Little Lucy - Conway Twitty 20 660
                            NEW 26 Roulette - Russ Conway 23 600
                            29 27 May You Always - Joan Regan 24 525
                            27 28 Lovin' Up A Storm - Jerry Lee Lewis 18 520
                            17 29 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 25 450
                            30 30 Venus - Dickie Valentine 19 300
                            Donna - Ritchie Valens 20 275
                            Tomboy - Perry Como 28 225
                            Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson (B) 19
                            Never Mind - Cliff Richard (B) 21
                            Come Dance With Me (LP) - Frank Sinatra 30
                            22 Sing Little Birdie - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson
                            25 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty
                            26 Maybe Tomorrow - Billy Fury
                            * This week the split side disadvantaged the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position.
                            The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                            The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                            • For the May 2nd BBC Chart, the compilers probably used their previous position tie breaker on the 20th position as pointwise Sing Little Birdie is also at 20 (with the Idle on Parade EP), but it is going down and that is probably why it was excluded.

                              For the May 9th BBC Chart, Lloyd Price and Bert Weedon are both at 19 on points. Since Lloyd Price is dropping while Bert Weedon is a new entry, they may have split the tie again.

                              Of course it could also be that they just can't count as Brian already pointed out for the 9th May chart!
                              Last edited by braindeadpj; Wed June 1, 2022, 03:38.

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                              • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 23rd 1959

                                Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 23rd 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                1 1 A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000
                                2 2 It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly 2 2 2 2 2 5800
                                4 3 It's Late / Never Be Anyone Else - Ricky Nelson 3 3 3 6 3 5480
                                3 4 Side Saddle - Russ Conway 4 4 7 4 5 5265
                                5 5 Donna - Marty Wilde 5 5 5 3 7 5160
                                7 6 Come Softly To Me - The Fleetwoods 6 7 4 7 6 4935
                                8 7 I've Waited So Long - Anthony Newley 8 6 8 10 4 4910
                                6 8 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber 7 8 6 5 8 4770
                                11 9 Come Softly To Me - Frankie Vaughan and The Kaye Sisters 9 9 9 12 9 4280
                                12 10 Mean Streak / Never Mind - Cliff Richard 10 10 11 9 11 4155
                                10 11 I Go Ape - Neil Sedaka 11 11 10 8 13 4025
                                9 12 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 12 12 12 13 14 3640
                                13 13 Fort Worth Jail - Lonnie Donegan 13 14 15 11 12 3615
                                16 14 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - Bert Weedon 14 15 13 19 10 3390
                                26 15 Roulette - Russ Conway 15 13 20 16 15 3185
                                14 16 C'Mon Everybody - Eddie Cochran 16 21 14 15 17 2655
                                17 17 Where Were You On Our Wedding Day - Lloyd Price 17= 15 16 16 2475
                                15 18 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 19 18 20 18 2195
                                19 19 May You Always - The McGuire Sisters 17= 17 17 14 2080
                                20 20 Idle On Parade (EP) - Anthony Newley 20 22 17 1235
                                18 21 Venus - Frankie Avalon 19 900
                                NEW 22 Three Stars - Ruby Wright 28 20 885
                                22 23 Wait For Me / Willingly - Malcolm Vaughan 20 825
                                24 24 Guitar Boogie Shuffle - The Virtues 19 720
                                27 25 May You Always - Joan Regan 23 600
                                NEW 26 Margie - Fats Domino 24 525
                                28 27 Lovin' Up A Storm - Jerry Lee Lewis 18 520
                                30 28 Venus - Dickie Valentine 25 450
                                NEW 29 Take A Message To Mary / Poor Jenny - The Everly Brothers 29 19 450
                                NEW 30 For A Penny - Pat Boone 30 18 400
                                If Only I Could Live My Life Again - Jane Morgan 27 300
                                21 Gigi - Billy Eckstine
                                23 My Happiness - Connie Francis
                                25 Hey Little Lucy - Conway Twitty
                                29 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price
                                Never Mind - Cliff Richard (B) 26
                                The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                • I really enjoy this way of displaying charts, and I see that kingofskiffle also has adopted the system in his 70 years chartbook series in addition to his weekly charts from all the majors. The last weeks he has included the Top Pop charts after Disc discontinued their own. Chart presentation has changed thoroughly for the better since the 50ies as has the enjoyment of the charts.

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                                  • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                                    I really enjoy this way of displaying charts, and I see that kingofskiffle also has adopted the system in his 70 years chartbook series in addition to his weekly charts from all the majors. The last weeks he has included the Top Pop charts after Disc discontinued their own. Chart presentation has changed thoroughly for the better since the 50ies as has the enjoyment of the charts.
                                    When I was planning the project Kjell I decided early on to not only post the outcome, the UAC, but also to post all the contributing charts side by side, week by week.

                                    This was for a number of reasons, firstly to provide the evidence for all to see in a transparent way as to the chart positions contributing to the UAC, and secondly there was no other source that I knew of that actually posted the major charts week by week, side by side for comparison.

                                    There were lots of available sites and books around listing individual charts but not all together. Listing this on the UAC thread allowed everyone at a glance to see how their favourite hits compared on any given week on all the major charts for comparisons to be made. I have received countless acknowledgements of how useful this has been and thanking me for undertaking it.

                                    The posting of these has become a surprising and informative feature in its own right alongside the intended purpose, the UAC.

                                    As I have mentioned before I decided early on not to include the minor and short lived other circulating charts, like Top Pop for a couple of reasons.
                                    The very fact these minor charts were transient lasting for at most a few years was a factor. More importantly though the UAC purported to be 'a re-imagining of the BBC Charts' so by definition had to therefore stick to the same chart sources used by the BBC.

                                    Yes, I know that in the early sixties I included RR and RM which had not been used by the BBC compilers but RM was only excluded due to them having later compilation dates and RR because it was a newer paper and they saw no need to add it to the established sources until RM ceased in March 1962.
                                    I added them in because they both were in the mix at some point for long established periods and so it made sense to have a complete picture.
                                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                    The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                      RM was only excluded due to them having later compilation dates
                                      I couldn't see why they would be too late for Sunday, until I read an interview with Pete Murray saying he sometimes recorded POTP days in advance.

                                      MM & NME must have been compiled on the Monday as they appeared in Tuesday morning newspapers. The RR guy (according to AS) compiled theirs on Tuesday but, it has just occurred to me, he must have changed to Monday by 1967 when the BBC started to reveal its chart on Tuesday.

                                      (Someone has posted Autumn Rendezvous by Francoise Hardy on YouTube giving a peak chart position below 50. I presume this is from Music Echo!)

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                                      • Come Dance With Me (LP) - Frank Sinatra 30 in NME

                                        I see Frank still gets the odd LP entrant in the NME chart (but no other chart).

                                        Why was this a feat only in the NME chart? Were the NME shop returns instructed to include LPs?

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                                        • Record Mirror had LP’s at times until the week they began their own LP chart in 1956 when they all left the chart and went there. That seems reasonable. At this time NME of course has no LP chart so it was still a listing of records that sold well. I suspect it depends what shops where asked to return and what they thought they should.
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                                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                            (Someone has posted Autumn Rendezvous by Francoise Hardy on YouTube giving a peak chart position below 50. I presume this is from Music Echo!)
                                            Maybe - in 1966 it made the Breakers chart in Record Retailer at 57.

                                            I have those in my book here https://www.thechartbook.co.uk/the-d...e-2-1960-1969/ If your interested.
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                                            • Due to what we now know of the seriousness of the different charts early on it was quite right of MrTibbs to include RM while doing the UAC. To me who rarely could have a good listening period with BBC behind the Norwegian mountains the utmost importance is that MrTibbs has put together the most reliable UK chart till 71. This has produced much enjoyment and prior to kingofskiffle’s 70 years of UK singles charts the only chart source displaying the major charts alongside each other. To rephrase Meat Loaf: Two out of two ain’t bad.

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                                              • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                                                Maybe - in 1966 it made the Breakers chart in Record Retailer at 57.
                                                Thanks. You've cracked it! 57 is the number Youtube uploader Tom Smith specifies.

                                                The record company itself has uploaded a remastered version but gives no chart info.

                                                Something I've noticed listening to USA stations on internet radio or smart speaker is that sometimes in the display panel, after the title and artist, the letters BB appear followed by that track's chart performance on Billboard.

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                                                • That will be an API linking to the Billboard website. Classic FM (as indeed do most UK radio stations) link to the song just played on Apple Music etc as well now to allow you to find that song and they buy it. Or stream it.
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                                                  • Minor error on the 16th May chart as you have The Virtues moving down from 19 instead of being a new entry.

                                                    Also 2 errors in the BBC Chart for May 23rd: Pointwise 'Side Saddle' and 'Donna' are equal 4, while 'May You Always" is at 18 and not equal 17.

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