The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Graham76man]

Who would have thought that The Who - Substitute was hyped into the chart!
It was selling for the last two weeks, but it only went up from 73 to 30 on the 19 March chart. Those highs of 18 can only be explained by chart fiddling.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 19th March 1966, for your perusal.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 19th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
8	1	The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	I Can't Let Go - The Hollies					2	1	2	2	2	18615
1	3	Sha-La-La-La-Lee - The Small Faces					3	3	3	3	3	17780
5	4	Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys					4	4	7	4	5	16310
6	5	Backstage - Gene Pitney					5	7	5	5	7	15940
9	6	Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold					7	6	6	6	10	15535
4	7	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					8	9	4	7	9	15420
13	8	Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds					6	5	8	8	6	15375
3	9	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					9	8	9	9	4	14595
15	10	Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks					10	10	10	10	8	13505
12	11	Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie					11	11	11	13	11	12500
10	12	My Love - Petula Clark					12	12	12	11	14	11995
7	13	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					13	13	13	12	12	11615
11	14	Inside Looking Out - The Animals					14	16	14	15	17	10040
14	15	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					15	17	16	19	13	9280
NEW	16	Elusive Butterfly - Bob Lind					17	14	17	16	21	9250
19	17	What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher					18	20	15	18	15	8860
23	18	Substitute - The Who					16	15	20	14	18	8755
22	19	Hold Tight - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					19	22	18	17	23	7130
18	20	Blue River - Elvis Presley					20	21	19	20	26	6525
16	21	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					21=	24	21	24	20	5535
27	22	Woman - Peter and Gordon					23	23	22	22	28	5005
17	23	This Golden Ring - The Fortunes					21=	26	24	23	16	4825
NEW	24	May Each Day - Andy Williams					24	25	26	26	19	3970
NEW	25	Elusive Butterfly - Val Doonican					27	19	27	27		3800
29	26	I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown					25	18		21	29	3770
20	27	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					26		23		24	2595
26	28	You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker					28	29	25		27	2240
NEW	29	Sound Of Silence/Love Me With All Of Your Heart - The Bachelors*						28	29	28		1400
21	30	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					29		28	30	25	1360
		* Split Sides On NME but not affecting average chart position
		Love Me With All Of Your Heart - The Bachelors*						27
		Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					30				22	765
		I Met A Girl - The Shadows						30	30	29		650
		Please Stay - The Cryin' Shames								25		600
		A Man Without Love - Kenneth McKellar									30	85

[MrTibbs]

Dave Taylor told me RR made a 'mistake' this week and mixed up the returns for Nancy Sinatra and The Small Faces the outcome of which was the above false chart positions for both so yeah it wouldn't at all surprise me if there was a mix up with Herb and Eddy too as their positions are both unexpected in comparison to the trend of the other charts.

[BobPatience]

RR keeps on surprising me. The small faces went 4 -> 1 or 2 in all charts except for RR, where they even manage to LOSE a spot. And are we sure RR did not somehow switch the Herb Alpert and Eddy Arnold records? If it wasn't considered 'official' these rankings would be pure comedy gold.

[Splodj]

It is indeed a shame that virtually all publications now say that it only reached number 3 and that 'Boots' had a ridiculously long time at the top.

Incidentally there are hyphens in the title: 'Sha-La-La-La-Lee'.

[camdwntownjohn]

I don't know whether you've already started to highlight this anywhere, but it would be interesting to list for each year, which records should be recognised as chart-toppers, but which in all published lists and articles, are denied that privilege. The above Small Faces track being an example.

[MrTibbs]

I agree wholeheartedly with that Robin. It was the BBC chart I followed too in the sixties via TOTP and POTP.

At the time of course we didn't recognise the flaws and mistakes , only now with hindsight and inside knowledge into the workings of the charts can we see it. That is why it frustrates me. As I said above its principle was absolutely sound, taking all the charts and averaging them ironed out extremes to deliver a more balanced chart. But it was it's haphazard and casual approach to compilation that was its main weakness.

That is why I am glad in the majority of positions my Ultimate Average Chart agrees with the BBC, but by factoring in the store return percentages takes it a stage further where inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and ties are ironed out resulting in the chart of charts that I believe truly reflects the times better than any individual chart does. By recalculating all these weekly charts also fixes all the errors the original BBC chart made in all its calculations at the time.

Thanks for those percentage calculations you added above, they make for interesting reading and highlight interesting differences between the individual charts.

So, it would appear the Ultimate Averaged Chart is hitting all the right notes (pardon the pun) and delivering the goods for you all.

So, on ward and upward Pop Pickers, here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 12th March 1966, for your enjoyment.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 12th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
4	1	Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces					1	2	1	1	6	18425
10	2	I Can't Let Go - The Hollies					3	1	3	3	7	17840
3	3	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					2	3	4	2	2	17715
2	4	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					4	7	2	5	1	17200
6	5	Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys					5	4	7	4	3	16480
7	6	Backstage - Gene Pitney					6	6	6	6	4	16045
1	7	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					7	8	5	7	8	15455
18	8	The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers					8	5	9	8	10	14785
9	9	Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold					10	9	8	9	16	13625
5	10	My Love - Petula Clark					9	10	10	10	9	13420
8	11	Inside Looking Out - The Animals					11	13	11	12	12	12115
14	12	Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie					12	12	12	13	14	11795
24	13	Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds					13	11	13	11	17	11690
12	14	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					14	16	15	17	5	10610
NEW	15	Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks					15	14	14	14	20	10285
11	16	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					16	15	19	15	13	9330
20	17	This Golden Ring - The Fortunes					17	17	17	18	15	8960
21	18	Blue River - Elvis Presley					18	19	16	16	22	8415
19	19	What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher					19	17	20	20	19	7670
15	20	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					20	21	18	19	18	7555
13	21	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					21	24	22	22	11	6250
NEW	22	Hold Tight - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					23	22	21	23		5100
NEW	23	Substitute - The Who					24	19	24	24		4850
16	24	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					22	23	25	25	23	4380
17	25	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					26=	30	26	28	24	2345
NEW	26	You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker					25	25	30	27	26	2275
NEW	27	Woman - Peter and Gordon					29=		23		29	2170
22	28	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					28	29	27	26	28	2155
NEW	29	I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown					26=	26		21		2000
NEW	30	Baby Never Say Goodbye - Unit 4 + 2						28	28			1350
		Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels						27		29		1000
		Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					29=				21	850
		May Each Day - Andy Williams							29	30		600
		Girl - St Louis Union									25	510
		Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey									27	340
		You've Come Back - P J Proby									30	85

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Brian, even though the BBC chart wasn't perfect, even with its flaws and mistakes, one could argue it still appears to have been the most representative chart of the 60s, prior to your new Ultimate Chart. I wouldn't be too harsh on it, especially compared to the other charts, ha.

But let's look at the numbers, per your 5 March 1966 chart above. Comparing the chart position differences against your Ultimate Chart positions:

--the BBC is only off by a total of 5 chart position points
--NME is off by 71
--MM by 43
--Disc by 45
--RR by 99

Comparing the BBC against the other charts:

--NME is off by 73 chart position points
--MM by 44
--Disc by 46
--RR by 94

In light of this, I'd say the BBC chart is very, very good, not perfect, and not as good as your Ultimate Chart. I am glad to see this, as I had considered the BBC chart to have been my personal chart all these years, ha. Actually, the only one I knew of in the 60s.

Into the percentages. For this week, the BBC gave 25% equal weighting to each NME, MM, Disc, RR. The Ultimate Chart gives them:
--NME 31.50%
--MM 39.37%
--Disc 15.75%
--RR 13.39%

So even with those weighting differences (NME 6.50%, MM 14.37%, Disc 9.25%, RR 11.61%) the BBC chart is still very, very close to the Ultimate Chart positions.

Which also goes to show that while the best results would be obtained for the Ultimate Chart with exact numbers of record dealers each week, highly approximate numbers (per Alan Smith) can be most meaningful, and might not make any difference.

Keep on rockin' !!

[MrTibbs]

I fully agree with lots of what you say there Splodj . I concur with your point on the store samples, they could have been the same as the ones I use based on Alan Smith's investigations and he certainly put a lot of investigative work into obtaining these figures, or they could have indeed been larger or smaller BUT I believe the proportions between each are accurate enough irregardless so yes the proportionate outcome would remain the same as to what I compile in the Ultimate Averaged Chart.

We both share the same view on the BBC chart, the principle was sound but the methodology was awful, inconsistent, and ill thought through. I can't believe the BBC thought this shabbily compiled chart represented a true average and presented it on TOTP, and POTP.

I do believe though that at the time the proportions of store submits to the music papers could have been easily and accurately ascertained ( information truly lost in the mists of time now ) and contributed to the compilation along the same lines as I am doing to give a much more robust and representative chart for the BBC to use.

I'm glad too Splodj that you continue to enjoy seeing the chart compiled the way the BBC should have done


So on that subject, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th March 1966, for your enjoyment.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 5th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	1	2	18965
2	2	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					2	2	2	2	1	18500
3	3	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					3	3	3	3	3	17780
6	4	Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces					4	4	4	4	5	17060
4	5	My Love - Petula Clark					5	6	5	6	4	16295
8	6	Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys					6	5	6	5	6	16175
15	7	Backstage - Gene Pitney					7	8	7	7	7	15040
10	8	Inside Looking Out - The Animals					8	7	8	8	12	14465
19	9	Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold					9	11	9	10	10	13385
NEW	10	I Can't Let Go - The Hollies					11	10	10	9	18	12755
5	11	You Were On My Mind - Chrispian St Peters					10	12	11	11	9	12670
7	12	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					12	13	12	15	8	11905
11	13	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					13	19	13	13	11	10400
24	14	Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie					14	9	20	12	16	10325
14	15	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					15	18	14	14	14	9995
13	16	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					17	17	16	19	17	8940
9	17	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					16	21	15	17	13	8930
NEW	18	The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers					18	16	18	18	26	7975
28	19	What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher					19	14	23	23	22	6965
23	20	This Golden Ring - The Fortunes					20	15	22	16		6950
30	21	Blue River - Elvis Presley					21	22	21	22	23	5880
16	22	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					22	25	19	24	20	5835
12	23	Michelle - The Overlanders					23	28	17	26	19	5620
NEW	24	Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds					24	19	29	21	28	4155
27	25	Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels					25=	22	28	20		3650
22	26	Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey					25=	27	25	25	24	3495
20	27	Girl - The St Louis Union					27		26		15	2610
17	28	Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					28		24		21	2600
18	29	Girl - The Truth					29	24		30	29	1670
21	30	You've Come Back - P J Proby					30		27		25	1510
		Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks						25		29		1400
		You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker						29		28	30	785
		I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown						30		27		600
		Like A Baby - Len Barry									27	340
		Woman - Peter and Gordon							30			250
		Baby Never Say Goodbye - Unit 4 + 2						30				200

[Splodj]

I tend to agree with Graham (post 341) that the actual samples used by the chart companies were a lot less than they declared at the time, or claimed later to Alan Smith. This does not necessarily invalidate the methodology used in the Ultimate charts as the relative ratios may still be roughly correct.

However if weighting had been applied, either at the time or retrospectively, it would have led to endless arguments about how valid or accurate it was. The BBC in particular could not antagonise their contributors.

I think that it is a pity the BBC did not:

(a) take more care with the accuracy of their calculations;
(b) adopt a consistent tiebreaker policy (survey size would play a part here, but in a less controversial way than weighting);
(c) apply the same maverick avoidance policy to Double 'A' Sides as they did to EPs;
(d) ignore positions in one contributory chart that were 4 or more places adrift from the others. (Effectively this would replace their odd-one-out 'number one' policy by extending it to the whole chart.)

Had they done these things they would have provided a ready-made chart that I could have accepted as 'official'.

Please Brian do not interpret this as criticism of your excellent work on the Ultimate Charts - it is certainly not intended to be.

[MrTibbs]

Guys lots of interesting comments there. I'm just in from work and belatedly catching up with your valid points. RR I honestly believe is the proverbial fly in the ointment. Their chart actually detracts rather than adds to the value of an averaged chart. Week on week it is out of step and the chart of February 19th is the best example yet.
I'm with you guys in that I can't fathom why it was selected retrospectively as 'official'. Surely more was considered than the chart which had most positions.
For me, and this is purely a personal view, one of two options should have been adopted. Either use the MM chart which had the biggest sample and was already the chart published in the biggest selling daily newspapers giving it huge exposure consistently. It also sampled Northern Ireland, no other did. Or secondly do what I am doing, compile an average chart and factor in stores thus getting a store sample in total of over 600. This solution would then not have disadvantaged any individual chart so no losing face.
So the system I am using ( which is the same as I promoted above) is perhaps the best overall.

I don't take full credit for this as most of you also provided input, suggestions, improvements which I took on board in order to provide us with the best chart possible. Thanks again to you all for your continuing feedback and support you provide to me and please continue to follow and enjoy 'our chart'.

Meantime :

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 26th February 1966.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 26th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	1	2	18965
2	2	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					2	2	2	2	1	18500
4	3	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					3	3	4	3	3	17530
8	4	My Love - Petula Clark					4	4	3	4	5	17310
3	5	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					5	5	5	5	4	16595
13	6	Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces					6	6	7	6	7	15540
7	7	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					8	10	6	14	6	14275
19	8	Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys					7	8	11	7	8	13955
6	9	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					9	9	10	9	10	13635
17	10	Inside Looking Out - The Animals					10	6	12	8	13	13580
10	11	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					11	14	9	12	9	12670
5	12	Michelle - The Overlanders					12	15	8	11	11	12650
9	13	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					13	12	13	10	12	12015
18	14	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					15	13	15	13	18	10505
30	15	Backstage - Gene Pitney					14	11	17	15	15	10460
12	16	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					16	19	14	16	17	9340
11	17	Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					17	20	16	17	14	8795
20	18	Girl - The Truth					19	16	18	18	27	7890
23	19	Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold					18	18	20	19	21	7400
16	20	Girl - The St Louis Union					20		19	21	16	5275
28	21	You've Come Back - P J Proby					25	22	23	22	25	5210
26	22	Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey					21	22	25	24	22	4765
29	23	This Golden Ring - The Fortunes					22	20	24	23		4750
NEW	24	Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie					23	17		20		3900
15	25	Like A Baby - Len Barry							21	29	19	3720
14	26	Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group					23		22	26	20	3685
NEW	27	Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels					27	24	30	25		2250
NEW	28	What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher					29	26	27	30	30	2185
22	29	Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan					26		26	28	24	2145
NEW	30	Blue River - Elvis Presley					28	25	29	27		2100
		My Girl - Otis Redding					30		28		23	1430
		You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker						27				800
		I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown						28				600
		A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits									26	425
		I Can't Let Go - The Hollies						29				400
		Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison									28	255
		634-5789 - Wilson Pickett						30				200
		Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound									29	170

[Graham76man]

Nevertheless NME did expand the chart pass 30. As it featured in the early Number One Magazines.

[Graham76man]

But why is it important to have a Top 50, rather than a Top 30, for the 50s and 60s?

I realise there were a lot of good records that peaked in the 31-50 range from the mid-60s on, but before then there were a lot of forgettable entries which I wouldn't consider worthy 'hits' using the sales or quality (admittedly subjective) criteria.

More to the point, the lower end of RRs chart was so unreliable that it was almost a lottery what made it into that range and what was left out.

The answer to that question is simple. When the first Guinness Book was done the chart had been a top 50 for ages. So to cut down the chart to a 30 would have looked odd and created problems with things like chart facts. These were important, as the books were published by Guinness, who did the Guinness Book of Records, so popular that they made a TV show about it. So things like weeks on charts and who spent only one week at 50 and nothing else, fitted in with the Guinness range of fact based books. Several books had been out before using either a top 20 or top 30. But there was public demand for the compilers to get the fullest charts and to record all the information from the full top 50 charts. The compilers of the first book make it clear that only the RR chart was a full top 50. And when the first book came out the 70's were not complete and the 60's top 50's would have added a great deal of facts and data to add to the first book.

[camdwntownjohn]

In 1978, the NME stated that they had never increased their chart above a Top 30 because it would be too easy to chart-hype, i.e. record companies buying records from chart-return shops. One difference with the NME chart, certainly in the mid-70s, was that they didn't use actual sales figures, but phoned each shop and asked them to give their own ranked best-sellers list, from which the paper compiled a chart on a points basis. This was revealed by the NME editor in a BBC Radio London phone-in with Charlie Gillett around 1975 or 1976.

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Another solution would be to use the chart with the most store samples for the top positions, then add extra records from the next most sampled chart, then the next, then the next. For the 60s, the MM Top 50 would be used for what, 5+ years? Then as a Top 30 when it shrank. Then append to that the extra records from NME, then Disc, and lastly RR. Thus you have the most accurate charts at the top, and you have the most records. It's too logical...

Or you can do the Brian method for the Top 50+...

[Splodj]

But why is it important to have a Top 50, rather than a Top 30, for the 50s and 60s?

I realise there were a lot of good records that peaked in the 31-50 range from the mid-60s on, but before then there were a lot of forgettable entries which I wouldn't consider worthy 'hits' using the sales or quality (admittedly subjective) criteria.

More to the point, the lower end of RRs chart was so unreliable that it was almost a lottery what made it into that range and what was left out.

[Graham76man]

However whilst doing the Real Charts for 1967 Record Retailer's positions improve. The odd one out is Melody Maker's chart, very slow compared to NME and RR and to me less on the ball then it was in 1965 and 1966.
I think however that if Melody Maker hadn't reduced it's chart to just a 30 in 1967 then it might have got Official status. I think the original compilers of the Guinness Book would have gone with that chart, knowing how bad RR was and how it was not really the chart of the 60's. But the fact it was chopped down at times meant there would have been far less hits in the chart book. They could have used all the charts, but the book would have been much bigger and probably very confusing to readers. They only way would be to colour code it, or split the results into several sections for each of the charts. The colour coding would have made the book more expensive though, the sections would have caused disputes with chart fans, plus after 1969 would all the other charts stop being used?
In the end I think what decided the outcome was that RR was a top 50 and more importantly became the same paper that carried the new BMRB chart.
What would have been more interesting to have seen is the NME going to a top 50 in 1960. That would have caused a big dilemma in 1969, wouldn't it, with the compilers of the first Guinness book!

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Brian, as the weeks go by, you're piling up more and more evidence that RR has no business being the OCC 'official' chart of the 60s. And there's much more evidence to come. Rock on !!!

Edit: and RR is odd man out on the above chart for 21 of the 30 positions, crazy...

[Graham76man]

Just checked the Real Chart for the above week and those RR records in the top 30 and not in other charts, are not even top 40 on the Real Chart. The best is 45 for Bob Dylan. The Kinks was at 82!

Missing from the top 30 however are The Walker Brothers - Sun Aint... (18) Al Martino - Spanish Eyes (16) Miracles - Going To A Go-Go (27) And Andy Williams - May Each Day (25)

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

This is the chart I mentioned a short time back. Look at RR, as well as denying The Rolling Stones the No 1 slot, their chart has 9 records in the top thirty that don't appear in any other of the three charts !!!

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 19th February 1966.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 19th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
4	1	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	1	2	18965
1	2	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					2	2	2	2	1	18500
2	3	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					3	3	4	3	3	17530
6	4	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					4	4	3	4	6	17225
3	5	Michelle - The Overlanders					5	7	5	5	5	16110
5	6	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					6	6	6	6	7	15790
7	7	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					7	9	7	9	4	14895
19	8	My Love - Petula Clark					8	5	8	7	15	14710
9	9	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					9	8	9	8	10	14185
11	10	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					10	10	10	10	9	13420
13	11	Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					11	14	13	14	14	11045
15	12	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					13=	17	11	12	17	10890
25	13	Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces					13=	12	16	11	18	10655
8	14	Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group					12	16	15	16	8	10455
10	15	Like A Baby - Len Barry					15	22	12	17	13	9480
16	16	Girl - The St Louis Union					16	20	14	19	12	9265
NEW	17	Inside Looking Out - The Animals					18	11	17	15		9100
22	18	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					17	13	18	13	26	9075
NEW	19	Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys					19	15	21	18		7000
21	20	Girl - The Truth					20	18	19	21		6600
24	21	Think - Chris Farlowe					23	19	22	25		5250
18	22	Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan					21	30	20	20	19	5070
NEW	23	Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold					25	24	23	22		4300
12	24	A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits					22	30	24		11	3650
14	25	My Girl - Otis Redding					24	28	25	29	16	3575
28	26	Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey					26	23	27	23	29	3570
29	27	The Hard Way - The Nashville Teens					29	24	26	27		3050
NEW	28	You've Come Back - P J Proby					27	21	30	24		2950
NEW	29	This Golden Ring - The Fortunes					28	24	29	26		2400
NEW	30	Backstage - Gene Pitney						27		28		1100
		Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans						30	28	30		1050
		Michelle - David and Jonathan					30				20	935
		Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons									21	850
		Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison									22	765
		Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill									23	680
		Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound									24	595
		Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan									25	510
		Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels						29				400
		Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles									27	340
		Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks									28	255
		Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard									30	85

[MrTibbs]

Thanks for the like Robbie. Appreciated.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 12th February 1966.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 12th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
7	1	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					1	1	1	1	4	18795
5	2	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					2	3	2	2	2	18215
1	3	Michelle - The Overlanders					3	4	3	3	1	17750
NEW	4	19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones					6	2	4	4	14	16695
2	5	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					4	5	5	5	5	16510
8	6	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					7	6	6	7	7	15690
4	7	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					5	7	7	6	3	15680
3	8	Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group					8	8	8	8	6	14775
15	9	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					9	10	11	10	9	13170
11	10	Like A Baby - Len Barry					10	17	9	9	10	12285
21	11	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					12	11	10	12	19	12170
6	12	A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits					11	13	13	11	8	12055
19	13	Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					14	9	14	14	26	10775
12	14	My Girl - Otis Redding					13	14	16	16	12	10265
24	15	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					15	16	12	18	21	9900
20	16	Girl - The St Louis Union					17	19	15	25	11	8700
9	17	Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons					16	18	19	19	15	8160
26	18	Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan					18	22	17	17	18	7805
NEW	19	My Love - Petula Clark					20	12	25	15		6900
10	20	Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles					19	27	18	21	13	6580
27	21	Girl - The Truth					23	22	20	22		5450
NEW	22	Uptight - Stevie Wonder					21	15		13		5000
14	23	Michelle - David and Jonathan					22	28	22	27	16	4525
30	24	Think - Chris Farlowe					24=	21	24	24		4450
NEW	25	Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces					24=	20	30	20	30	3635
18	26	The River - Ken Dodd					27		21	26	24	3595
16	27	England Swings - Roger Miller					26		23	28	23	2980
NEW	28	Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey					28	24		23		2200
NEW	29	The Hard Way - The Nashville Teens						25	29	29		1900
28	30	Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound					30		27		22	1765
		Bye Bye Blues - Bert Kaempfert							28		25	1260
		Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans							26			1250
		My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers					29				17	1190
		Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold						26		30		1100
		Can you Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan						28			27	940
		Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks									20	935
		Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard									28	255
		Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill						30				200
		The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers									29	170

[MrTibbs]

Thanks a lot for those words of support and encouragement kjell. Feedback such as yours motivates me and reminds me that lots of guys are still enjoying this site.

[kjell]

Hi Brian!
You’re really disclosing the inaccuracies of the charts of the 60ies. I did expect differences caused by the use of rankings instead of sales figures, but not that they were that big in the upper 30ies with the higher sales of the second half of the 60ies. This also shows the problems that arise from Driscolls try to make his breakers bubblers for all charts and not for RM alone. With such big differences and the fever positions of the fifties one really need multiple charts to get a broad enough view of the music market of that era. Keep up the good work, this project deserves a bigger audience.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th February 1966.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 5th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Michelle - The Overlanders					1	1	1	1	1	19050
6	2	Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black					2=	3	2	2	5	17960
2	3	Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group					2=	2	5	3	2	17565
3	4	Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert					4	4	3	4	3	17480
10	5	You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters					5	6	4	5	4	16645
5	6	A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits					6	8	7	7	6	15125
21	7	These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra					7	5	6	6	18	15055
17	8	A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders					9	11	8	9	14	13395
7	9	Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons					10	10	12	12	8	12805
4	10	Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles					8	17	9	8	7	12640
16	11	Like A Baby - Len Barry					12	12	10	10	16	12425
13	12	My Girl - Otis Redding					11	7	14	13	13	12380
9	13	My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers					14	15	15	16	9	10570
12	14	Michelle - David and Jonathan					13	16	16	11	11	10450
18	15	Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours					17	13	18	17	21	9100
15	16	England Swings - Roger Miller					18	24	13	15	17	8690
11	17	Til The End Of The Day - The Kinks					15	18	19	19	10	8585
8	18	The River - Ken Dodd					16		11	14	12	8315
26	19	Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand					20	9	22	20	29	7920
22	20	Girl - The St Louis Union					19	21	17	22	19	7420
NEW	21	Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw					22	14	23	18		6700
14	22	The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers					21	25	20	21	15	6310
27	23	Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan					23	19	26	24	23	5030
NEW	24	Little By Little - Dusty Springfield					25	20	24	23		4750
23	25	Bye Bye Blues - Bert Kaempfert					24	27	21	25	24	4495
NEW	26	Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan					26	22	25	28		3600
NEW	27	Girl - The Truth					28	23	27			2600
NEW	28	Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound					29		28	27	27	1490
20	29	Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard					27		30	30	20	1285
NEW	30	Think - Chris Farlowe						26				1000
		A Hard Day's Night - Peter Sellers									22	765
		Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans							29	29		700
		Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill						30			26	625
		Cryin' Time - Ray Charles						28				600
		Uptight - Stevie Wonder						28				600
		Tears - Ken Dodd					30				25	510
		Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison								26		500
		Take Me For What I'm Worth - The Searchers									28	255
		Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey						30				200
		The Very Thought Of You - Tony Bennett									30	85