Who would have thought that The Who - Substitute was hyped into the chart!
It was selling for the last two weeks, but it only went up from 73 to 30 on the 19 March chart. Those highs of 18 can only be explained by chart fiddling.
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 19th March 1966, for your perusal.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 19th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 8 1 The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers 1 1 1 1 1 19050 2 2 I Can't Let Go - The Hollies 2 1 2 2 2 18615 1 3 Sha-La-La-La-Lee - The Small Faces 3 3 3 3 3 17780 5 4 Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys 4 4 7 4 5 16310 6 5 Backstage - Gene Pitney 5 7 5 5 7 15940 9 6 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 7 6 6 6 10 15535 4 7 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 8 9 4 7 9 15420 13 8 Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds 6 5 8 8 6 15375 3 9 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 9 8 9 9 4 14595 15 10 Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks 10 10 10 10 8 13505 12 11 Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie 11 11 11 13 11 12500 10 12 My Love - Petula Clark 12 12 12 11 14 11995 7 13 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 13 13 13 12 12 11615 11 14 Inside Looking Out - The Animals 14 16 14 15 17 10040 14 15 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 15 17 16 19 13 9280 NEW 16 Elusive Butterfly - Bob Lind 17 14 17 16 21 9250 19 17 What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher 18 20 15 18 15 8860 23 18 Substitute - The Who 16 15 20 14 18 8755 22 19 Hold Tight - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 19 22 18 17 23 7130 18 20 Blue River - Elvis Presley 20 21 19 20 26 6525 16 21 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 21= 24 21 24 20 5535 27 22 Woman - Peter and Gordon 23 23 22 22 28 5005 17 23 This Golden Ring - The Fortunes 21= 26 24 23 16 4825 NEW 24 May Each Day - Andy Williams 24 25 26 26 19 3970 NEW 25 Elusive Butterfly - Val Doonican 27 19 27 27 3800 29 26 I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown 25 18 21 29 3770 20 27 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 26 23 24 2595 26 28 You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker 28 29 25 27 2240 NEW 29 Sound Of Silence/Love Me With All Of Your Heart - The Bachelors* 28 29 28 1400 21 30 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 29 28 30 25 1360 * Split Sides On NME but not affecting average chart position Love Me With All Of Your Heart - The Bachelors* 27 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 30 22 765 I Met A Girl - The Shadows 30 30 29 650 Please Stay - The Cryin' Shames 25 600 A Man Without Love - Kenneth McKellar 30 85 Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun August 30, 2020, 21:21.
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Dave Taylor told me RR made a 'mistake' this week and mixed up the returns for Nancy Sinatra and The Small Faces the outcome of which was the above false chart positions for both so yeah it wouldn't at all surprise me if there was a mix up with Herb and Eddy too as their positions are both unexpected in comparison to the trend of the other charts.
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RR keeps on surprising me. The small faces went 4 -> 1 or 2 in all charts except for RR, where they even manage to LOSE a spot. And are we sure RR did not somehow switch the Herb Alpert and Eddy Arnold records? If it wasn't considered 'official' these rankings would be pure comedy gold.
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It is indeed a shame that virtually all publications now say that it only reached number 3 and that 'Boots' had a ridiculously long time at the top.
Incidentally there are hyphens in the title: 'Sha-La-La-La-Lee'.
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I don't know whether you've already started to highlight this anywhere, but it would be interesting to list for each year, which records should be recognised as chart-toppers, but which in all published lists and articles, are denied that privilege. The above Small Faces track being an example.
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I agree wholeheartedly with that Robin. It was the BBC chart I followed too in the sixties via TOTP and POTP.
At the time of course we didn't recognise the flaws and mistakes , only now with hindsight and inside knowledge into the workings of the charts can we see it. That is why it frustrates me. As I said above its principle was absolutely sound, taking all the charts and averaging them ironed out extremes to deliver a more balanced chart. But it was it's haphazard and casual approach to compilation that was its main weakness.
That is why I am glad in the majority of positions my Ultimate Average Chart agrees with the BBC, but by factoring in the store return percentages takes it a stage further where inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and ties are ironed out resulting in the chart of charts that I believe truly reflects the times better than any individual chart does. By recalculating all these weekly charts also fixes all the errors the original BBC chart made in all its calculations at the time.
Thanks for those percentage calculations you added above, they make for interesting reading and highlight interesting differences between the individual charts.
So, it would appear the Ultimate Averaged Chart is hitting all the right notes (pardon the pun) and delivering the goods for you all.
So, on ward and upward Pop Pickers, here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 12th March 1966, for your enjoyment.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 12th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 4 1 Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces 1 2 1 1 6 18425 10 2 I Can't Let Go - The Hollies 3 1 3 3 7 17840 3 3 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 2 3 4 2 2 17715 2 4 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 4 7 2 5 1 17200 6 5 Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys 5 4 7 4 3 16480 7 6 Backstage - Gene Pitney 6 6 6 6 4 16045 1 7 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 7 8 5 7 8 15455 18 8 The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers 8 5 9 8 10 14785 9 9 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 10 9 8 9 16 13625 5 10 My Love - Petula Clark 9 10 10 10 9 13420 8 11 Inside Looking Out - The Animals 11 13 11 12 12 12115 14 12 Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie 12 12 12 13 14 11795 24 13 Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds 13 11 13 11 17 11690 12 14 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 14 16 15 17 5 10610 NEW 15 Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks 15 14 14 14 20 10285 11 16 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 16 15 19 15 13 9330 20 17 This Golden Ring - The Fortunes 17 17 17 18 15 8960 21 18 Blue River - Elvis Presley 18 19 16 16 22 8415 19 19 What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher 19 17 20 20 19 7670 15 20 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 20 21 18 19 18 7555 13 21 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 21 24 22 22 11 6250 NEW 22 Hold Tight - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 23 22 21 23 5100 NEW 23 Substitute - The Who 24 19 24 24 4850 16 24 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 22 23 25 25 23 4380 17 25 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 26= 30 26 28 24 2345 NEW 26 You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker 25 25 30 27 26 2275 NEW 27 Woman - Peter and Gordon 29= 23 29 2170 22 28 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 28 29 27 26 28 2155 NEW 29 I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown 26= 26 21 2000 NEW 30 Baby Never Say Goodbye - Unit 4 + 2 28 28 1350 Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels 27 29 1000 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 29= 21 850 May Each Day - Andy Williams 29 30 600 Girl - St Louis Union 25 510 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 27 340 You've Come Back - P J Proby 30 85
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Brian, even though the BBC chart wasn't perfect, even with its flaws and mistakes, one could argue it still appears to have been the most representative chart of the 60s, prior to your new Ultimate Chart. I wouldn't be too harsh on it, especially compared to the other charts, ha.
But let's look at the numbers, per your 5 March 1966 chart above. Comparing the chart position differences against your Ultimate Chart positions:
--the BBC is only off by a total of 5 chart position points
--NME is off by 71
--MM by 43
--Disc by 45
--RR by 99
Comparing the BBC against the other charts:
--NME is off by 73 chart position points
--MM by 44
--Disc by 46
--RR by 94
In light of this, I'd say the BBC chart is very, very good, not perfect, and not as good as your Ultimate Chart. I am glad to see this, as I had considered the BBC chart to have been my personal chart all these years, ha. Actually, the only one I knew of in the 60s.
Into the percentages. For this week, the BBC gave 25% equal weighting to each NME, MM, Disc, RR. The Ultimate Chart gives them:
--NME 31.50%
--MM 39.37%
--Disc 15.75%
--RR 13.39%
So even with those weighting differences (NME 6.50%, MM 14.37%, Disc 9.25%, RR 11.61%) the BBC chart is still very, very close to the Ultimate Chart positions.
Which also goes to show that while the best results would be obtained for the Ultimate Chart with exact numbers of record dealers each week, highly approximate numbers (per Alan Smith) can be most meaningful, and might not make any difference.
Keep on rockin' !!Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Sat August 29, 2020, 14:47.
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I fully agree with lots of what you say there Splodj . I concur with your point on the store samples, they could have been the same as the ones I use based on Alan Smith's investigations and he certainly put a lot of investigative work into obtaining these figures, or they could have indeed been larger or smaller BUT I believe the proportions between each are accurate enough irregardless so yes the proportionate outcome would remain the same as to what I compile in the Ultimate Averaged Chart.
We both share the same view on the BBC chart, the principle was sound but the methodology was awful, inconsistent, and ill thought through. I can't believe the BBC thought this shabbily compiled chart represented a true average and presented it on TOTP, and POTP.
I do believe though that at the time the proportions of store submits to the music papers could have been easily and accurately ascertained ( information truly lost in the mists of time now ) and contributed to the compilation along the same lines as I am doing to give a much more robust and representative chart for the BBC to use.
I'm glad too Splodj that you continue to enjoy seeing the chart compiled the way the BBC should have done
So on that subject, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th March 1966, for your enjoyment.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 5th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 2 18965 2 2 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 2 2 2 2 1 18500 3 3 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 3 3 3 3 3 17780 6 4 Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces 4 4 4 4 5 17060 4 5 My Love - Petula Clark 5 6 5 6 4 16295 8 6 Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys 6 5 6 5 6 16175 15 7 Backstage - Gene Pitney 7 8 7 7 7 15040 10 8 Inside Looking Out - The Animals 8 7 8 8 12 14465 19 9 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 9 11 9 10 10 13385 NEW 10 I Can't Let Go - The Hollies 11 10 10 9 18 12755 5 11 You Were On My Mind - Chrispian St Peters 10 12 11 11 9 12670 7 12 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 12 13 12 15 8 11905 11 13 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 13 19 13 13 11 10400 24 14 Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie 14 9 20 12 16 10325 14 15 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 15 18 14 14 14 9995 13 16 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 17 17 16 19 17 8940 9 17 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 16 21 15 17 13 8930 NEW 18 The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore - The Walker Brothers 18 16 18 18 26 7975 28 19 What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher 19 14 23 23 22 6965 23 20 This Golden Ring - The Fortunes 20 15 22 16 6950 30 21 Blue River - Elvis Presley 21 22 21 22 23 5880 16 22 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 22 25 19 24 20 5835 12 23 Michelle - The Overlanders 23 28 17 26 19 5620 NEW 24 Shapes Of Things - The Yardbirds 24 19 29 21 28 4155 27 25 Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels 25= 22 28 20 3650 22 26 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 25= 27 25 25 24 3495 20 27 Girl - The St Louis Union 27 26 15 2610 17 28 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 28 24 21 2600 18 29 Girl - The Truth 29 24 30 29 1670 21 30 You've Come Back - P J Proby 30 27 25 1510 Dedicated Follower Of Fashion - The Kinks 25 29 1400 You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker 29 28 30 785 I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown 30 27 600 Like A Baby - Len Barry 27 340 Woman - Peter and Gordon 30 250 Baby Never Say Goodbye - Unit 4 + 2 30 200 Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri August 28, 2020, 16:42.
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I tend to agree with Graham (post 341) that the actual samples used by the chart companies were a lot less than they declared at the time, or claimed later to Alan Smith. This does not necessarily invalidate the methodology used in the Ultimate charts as the relative ratios may still be roughly correct.
However if weighting had been applied, either at the time or retrospectively, it would have led to endless arguments about how valid or accurate it was. The BBC in particular could not antagonise their contributors.
I think that it is a pity the BBC did not:
(a) take more care with the accuracy of their calculations;
(b) adopt a consistent tiebreaker policy (survey size would play a part here, but in a less controversial way than weighting);
(c) apply the same maverick avoidance policy to Double 'A' Sides as they did to EPs;
(d) ignore positions in one contributory chart that were 4 or more places adrift from the others. (Effectively this would replace their odd-one-out 'number one' policy by extending it to the whole chart.)
Had they done these things they would have provided a ready-made chart that I could have accepted as 'official'.
Please Brian do not interpret this as criticism of your excellent work on the Ultimate Charts - it is certainly not intended to be.Last edited by Splodj; Fri August 28, 2020, 12:54.
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Guys lots of interesting comments there. I'm just in from work and belatedly catching up with your valid points. RR I honestly believe is the proverbial fly in the ointment. Their chart actually detracts rather than adds to the value of an averaged chart. Week on week it is out of step and the chart of February 19th is the best example yet.
I'm with you guys in that I can't fathom why it was selected retrospectively as 'official'. Surely more was considered than the chart which had most positions.
For me, and this is purely a personal view, one of two options should have been adopted. Either use the MM chart which had the biggest sample and was already the chart published in the biggest selling daily newspapers giving it huge exposure consistently. It also sampled Northern Ireland, no other did. Or secondly do what I am doing, compile an average chart and factor in stores thus getting a store sample in total of over 600. This solution would then not have disadvantaged any individual chart so no losing face.
So the system I am using ( which is the same as I promoted above) is perhaps the best overall.
I don't take full credit for this as most of you also provided input, suggestions, improvements which I took on board in order to provide us with the best chart possible. Thanks again to you all for your continuing feedback and support you provide to me and please continue to follow and enjoy 'our chart'.
Meantime :
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 26th February 1966.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 26th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 2 18965 2 2 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 2 2 2 2 1 18500 4 3 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 3 3 4 3 3 17530 8 4 My Love - Petula Clark 4 4 3 4 5 17310 3 5 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 5 5 5 5 4 16595 13 6 Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces 6 6 7 6 7 15540 7 7 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 8 10 6 14 6 14275 19 8 Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys 7 8 11 7 8 13955 6 9 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 9 9 10 9 10 13635 17 10 Inside Looking Out - The Animals 10 6 12 8 13 13580 10 11 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 11 14 9 12 9 12670 5 12 Michelle - The Overlanders 12 15 8 11 11 12650 9 13 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 13 12 13 10 12 12015 18 14 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 15 13 15 13 18 10505 30 15 Backstage - Gene Pitney 14 11 17 15 15 10460 12 16 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 16 19 14 16 17 9340 11 17 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 17 20 16 17 14 8795 20 18 Girl - The Truth 19 16 18 18 27 7890 23 19 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 18 18 20 19 21 7400 16 20 Girl - The St Louis Union 20 19 21 16 5275 28 21 You've Come Back - P J Proby 25 22 23 22 25 5210 26 22 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 21 22 25 24 22 4765 29 23 This Golden Ring - The Fortunes 22 20 24 23 4750 NEW 24 Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie 23 17 20 3900 15 25 Like A Baby - Len Barry 21 29 19 3720 14 26 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 23 22 26 20 3685 NEW 27 Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels 27 24 30 25 2250 NEW 28 What Now My Love - Sonny and Cher 29 26 27 30 30 2185 22 29 Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan 26 26 28 24 2145 NEW 30 Blue River - Elvis Presley 28 25 29 27 2100 My Girl - Otis Redding 30 28 23 1430 You Don't Love Me - Gary Walker 27 800 I Got You (I Feel Good) - James Brown 28 600 A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 26 425 I Can't Let Go - The Hollies 29 400 Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison 28 255 634-5789 - Wilson Pickett 30 200 Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound 29 170
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Nevertheless NME did expand the chart pass 30. As it featured in the early Number One Magazines.
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Originally posted by Splodj View PostBut why is it important to have a Top 50, rather than a Top 30, for the 50s and 60s?
I realise there were a lot of good records that peaked in the 31-50 range from the mid-60s on, but before then there were a lot of forgettable entries which I wouldn't consider worthy 'hits' using the sales or quality (admittedly subjective) criteria.
More to the point, the lower end of RRs chart was so unreliable that it was almost a lottery what made it into that range and what was left out.
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In 1978, the NME stated that they had never increased their chart above a Top 30 because it would be too easy to chart-hype, i.e. record companies buying records from chart-return shops. One difference with the NME chart, certainly in the mid-70s, was that they didn't use actual sales figures, but phoned each shop and asked them to give their own ranked best-sellers list, from which the paper compiled a chart on a points basis. This was revealed by the NME editor in a BBC Radio London phone-in with Charlie Gillett around 1975 or 1976.
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Another solution would be to use the chart with the most store samples for the top positions, then add extra records from the next most sampled chart, then the next, then the next. For the 60s, the MM Top 50 would be used for what, 5+ years? Then as a Top 30 when it shrank. Then append to that the extra records from NME, then Disc, and lastly RR. Thus you have the most accurate charts at the top, and you have the most records. It's too logical...
Or you can do the Brian method for the Top 50+...
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But why is it important to have a Top 50, rather than a Top 30, for the 50s and 60s?
I realise there were a lot of good records that peaked in the 31-50 range from the mid-60s on, but before then there were a lot of forgettable entries which I wouldn't consider worthy 'hits' using the sales or quality (admittedly subjective) criteria.
More to the point, the lower end of RRs chart was so unreliable that it was almost a lottery what made it into that range and what was left out.
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However whilst doing the Real Charts for 1967 Record Retailer's positions improve. The odd one out is Melody Maker's chart, very slow compared to NME and RR and to me less on the ball then it was in 1965 and 1966.
I think however that if Melody Maker hadn't reduced it's chart to just a 30 in 1967 then it might have got Official status. I think the original compilers of the Guinness Book would have gone with that chart, knowing how bad RR was and how it was not really the chart of the 60's. But the fact it was chopped down at times meant there would have been far less hits in the chart book. They could have used all the charts, but the book would have been much bigger and probably very confusing to readers. They only way would be to colour code it, or split the results into several sections for each of the charts. The colour coding would have made the book more expensive though, the sections would have caused disputes with chart fans, plus after 1969 would all the other charts stop being used?
In the end I think what decided the outcome was that RR was a top 50 and more importantly became the same paper that carried the new BMRB chart.
What would have been more interesting to have seen is the NME going to a top 50 in 1960. That would have caused a big dilemma in 1969, wouldn't it, with the compilers of the first Guinness book!
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Brian, as the weeks go by, you're piling up more and more evidence that RR has no business being the OCC 'official' chart of the 60s. And there's much more evidence to come. Rock on !!!
Edit: and RR is odd man out on the above chart for 21 of the 30 positions, crazy...Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Thu August 27, 2020, 02:07.
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Just checked the Real Chart for the above week and those RR records in the top 30 and not in other charts, are not even top 40 on the Real Chart. The best is 45 for Bob Dylan. The Kinks was at 82!
Missing from the top 30 however are The Walker Brothers - Sun Aint... (18) Al Martino - Spanish Eyes (16) Miracles - Going To A Go-Go (27) And Andy Williams - May Each Day (25)
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
This is the chart I mentioned a short time back. Look at RR, as well as denying The Rolling Stones the No 1 slot, their chart has 9 records in the top thirty that don't appear in any other of the three charts !!!
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 19th February 1966.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 19th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 4 1 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 2 18965 1 2 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 2 2 2 2 1 18500 2 3 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 3 3 4 3 3 17530 6 4 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 4 4 3 4 6 17225 3 5 Michelle - The Overlanders 5 7 5 5 5 16110 5 6 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 6 6 6 6 7 15790 7 7 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 7 9 7 9 4 14895 19 8 My Love - Petula Clark 8 5 8 7 15 14710 9 9 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 9 8 9 8 10 14185 11 10 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 10 10 10 10 9 13420 13 11 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 11 14 13 14 14 11045 15 12 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 13= 17 11 12 17 10890 25 13 Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces 13= 12 16 11 18 10655 8 14 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 12 16 15 16 8 10455 10 15 Like A Baby - Len Barry 15 22 12 17 13 9480 16 16 Girl - The St Louis Union 16 20 14 19 12 9265 NEW 17 Inside Looking Out - The Animals 18 11 17 15 9100 22 18 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 17 13 18 13 26 9075 NEW 19 Barbara Ann - The Beach Boys 19 15 21 18 7000 21 20 Girl - The Truth 20 18 19 21 6600 24 21 Think - Chris Farlowe 23 19 22 25 5250 18 22 Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan 21 30 20 20 19 5070 NEW 23 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 25 24 23 22 4300 12 24 A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 22 30 24 11 3650 14 25 My Girl - Otis Redding 24 28 25 29 16 3575 28 26 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 26 23 27 23 29 3570 29 27 The Hard Way - The Nashville Teens 29 24 26 27 3050 NEW 28 You've Come Back - P J Proby 27 21 30 24 2950 NEW 29 This Golden Ring - The Fortunes 28 24 29 26 2400 NEW 30 Backstage - Gene Pitney 27 28 1100 Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans 30 28 30 1050 Michelle - David and Jonathan 30 20 935 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 21 850 Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison 22 765 Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill 23 680 Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound 24 595 Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan 25 510 Jenny Take A Ride - Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels 29 400 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 27 340 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 28 255 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 30 85
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 12th February 1966.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 12th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 7 1 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 1 1 1 1 4 18795 5 2 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 2 3 2 2 2 18215 1 3 Michelle - The Overlanders 3 4 3 3 1 17750 NEW 4 19th Nervous Breakdown - The Rolling Stones 6 2 4 4 14 16695 2 5 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 4 5 5 5 5 16510 8 6 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 7 6 6 7 7 15690 4 7 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 5 7 7 6 3 15680 3 8 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 8 8 8 8 6 14775 15 9 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 9 10 11 10 9 13170 11 10 Like A Baby - Len Barry 10 17 9 9 10 12285 21 11 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 12 11 10 12 19 12170 6 12 A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 11 13 13 11 8 12055 19 13 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 14 9 14 14 26 10775 12 14 My Girl - Otis Redding 13 14 16 16 12 10265 24 15 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 15 16 12 18 21 9900 20 16 Girl - The St Louis Union 17 19 15 25 11 8700 9 17 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 16 18 19 19 15 8160 26 18 Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan 18 22 17 17 18 7805 NEW 19 My Love - Petula Clark 20 12 25 15 6900 10 20 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 19 27 18 21 13 6580 27 21 Girl - The Truth 23 22 20 22 5450 NEW 22 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 21 15 13 5000 14 23 Michelle - David and Jonathan 22 28 22 27 16 4525 30 24 Think - Chris Farlowe 24= 21 24 24 4450 NEW 25 Sha La La La Lee - The Small Faces 24= 20 30 20 30 3635 18 26 The River - Ken Dodd 27 21 26 24 3595 16 27 England Swings - Roger Miller 26 23 28 23 2980 NEW 28 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 28 24 23 2200 NEW 29 The Hard Way - The Nashville Teens 25 29 29 1900 28 30 Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound 30 27 22 1765 Bye Bye Blues - Bert Kaempfert 28 25 1260 Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans 26 1250 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 29 17 1190 Make The World Go Away - Eddy Arnold 26 30 1100 Can you Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan 28 27 940 Till The End Of The Day - The Kinks 20 935 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 28 255 Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill 30 200 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 29 170
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Thanks a lot for those words of support and encouragement kjell. Feedback such as yours motivates me and reminds me that lots of guys are still enjoying this site.
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Hi Brian!
You’re really disclosing the inaccuracies of the charts of the 60ies. I did expect differences caused by the use of rankings instead of sales figures, but not that they were that big in the upper 30ies with the higher sales of the second half of the 60ies. This also shows the problems that arise from Driscolls try to make his breakers bubblers for all charts and not for RM alone. With such big differences and the fever positions of the fifties one really need multiple charts to get a broad enough view of the music market of that era. Keep up the good work, this project deserves a bigger audience.
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 5th February 1966.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 5th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Michelle - The Overlanders 1 1 1 1 1 19050 6 2 Love's Just A Broken Heart - Cilla Black 2= 3 2 2 5 17960 2 3 Keep On Running - The Spencer Davis Group 2= 2 5 3 2 17565 3 4 Spanish Flea - Herb Alpert 4 4 3 4 3 17480 10 5 You Were On My Mind - Crispian St Peters 5 6 4 5 4 16645 5 6 A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits 6 8 7 7 6 15125 21 7 These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - Nancy Sinatra 7 5 6 6 18 15055 17 8 A Groovy Kind Of Love - The Mindbenders 9 11 8 9 14 13395 7 9 Let's Hang On - The Four Seasons 10 10 12 12 8 12805 4 10 Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out - The Beatles 8 17 9 8 7 12640 16 11 Like A Baby - Len Barry 12 12 10 10 16 12425 13 12 My Girl - Otis Redding 11 7 14 13 13 12380 9 13 My Ship Is Coming In - The Walker Brothers 14 15 15 16 9 10570 12 14 Michelle - David and Jonathan 13 16 16 11 11 10450 18 15 Mirror Mirror - Pinkerton's Assorted Colours 17 13 18 17 21 9100 15 16 England Swings - Roger Miller 18 24 13 15 17 8690 11 17 Til The End Of The Day - The Kinks 15 18 19 19 10 8585 8 18 The River - Ken Dodd 16 11 14 12 8315 26 19 Second Hand Rose - Barbra Streisand 20 9 22 20 29 7920 22 20 Girl - The St Louis Union 19 21 17 22 19 7420 NEW 21 Tomorrow - Sandie Shaw 22 14 23 18 6700 14 22 The Carnival Is Over - The Seekers 21 25 20 21 15 6310 27 23 Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Bob Dylan 23 19 26 24 23 5030 NEW 24 Little By Little - Dusty Springfield 25 20 24 23 4750 23 25 Bye Bye Blues - Bert Kaempfert 24 27 21 25 24 4495 NEW 26 Have Pity On The Boy - Paul and Barry Ryan 26 22 25 28 3600 NEW 27 Girl - The Truth 28 23 27 2600 NEW 28 Tchaikovsky One - The Second City Sound 29 28 27 27 1490 20 29 Wind Me Up - Cliff Richard 27 30 30 20 1285 NEW 30 Think - Chris Farlowe 26 1000 A Hard Day's Night - Peter Sellers 22 765 Don't Make Me Over - The Swinging Blue Jeans 29 29 700 Take Me To Your Heart Again - Vince Hill 30 26 625 Cryin' Time - Ray Charles 28 600 Uptight - Stevie Wonder 28 600 Tears - Ken Dodd 30 25 510 Breaking Up Is Breaking My Heart - Roy Orbison 26 500 Take Me For What I'm Worth - The Searchers 28 255 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey 30 200 The Very Thought Of You - Tony Bennett 30 85 Last edited by MrTibbs; Tue August 25, 2020, 21:39.
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