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  • Goodness, the constituent charts are all over the place! Other than the top 3 the UAC and the BBC charts are close together but at least the UAC number 1 is number 1 in two of the charts. It's very close between the top 3 though.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers

      ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 24th 1959

      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 24th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
      Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 2 1 1 1 6375
      2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 1 2 2 2 6310
      4 3 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 3 2 3 7 3 5915
      8 4 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 4= 4 6 5 4 5690
      7 5 The Three Bells - The Browns 4= 6 4 4 5 5595
      3 6 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 6 5 7 3 6 5550
      5 7 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas 7 7 5 6 7 5275
      6 8 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 8 8 8 8 10 4825
      9 9 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 8= 10 9 9 12 4475
      19 10 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 8= 13 11 16 8 4105
      15 11 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 11= 10 16 12 13 4035
      10 12 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 13 9 14 18 11 4030
      18 13 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 14 12 13 19 9 3915
      12 14 Someone - Johnny Mathis 11= 14 10 10 17 3795
      11 15 Just A Little Too Much / Sweeter Than You - Ricky Nelson 15= 17 15 11 14 3530
      14 16 Forty Miles Of Bad Road - Duane Eddy 15= 16 12 13 16 3500
      13 17 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 17= 15 18 17 18 3065
      16 18 China Tea - Russ Conway 17= 18 17 14 19 2950
      17 19 Peggy Sue Got Married - Buddy Holly 19 19 15 15 2580
      NEW 20 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 20 20 19 1245
      RE 21 The Three Bells - Les Compagnons De La Chanson 21 750
      24 22 Somethin' Else - Eddie Cochran 22 675
      NEW 23 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 20 660
      23 24 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains 23 600
      21 25 The Heart Of A Man - Frankie Vaughan 30 20 570
      26 26 I Know - Perry Como 24 525
      27 27 But Not For Me - Ella Fitzgerald 25 450
      20 27 Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny 25 450
      NEW 29 The Riddle Of Love - Craig Douglas 20 385
      NEW 30 Old Shep - Clinton Ford 27 300
      Treble Chance - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson 28 225
      24 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino 29 150
      22 Lipstick On Your Collar - Connie Francis
      27 Lonesome - Chris Barber
      27 Plenty Good Lovin' - Connie Francis
      The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

      The Way It Was Meant To Be

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      • It's only right that the two 'first ladies' of jazz, Sarah Vaughan and Ella Fitzgerald, appear on the chart with both delivering stunning performances. I'm not normally into jazz as a genre but I hugely admire and enjoy these two legends with their honeyed silk voices. Timeless.

        Who are they ?, the 'now' generation ask. Take a listen and enjoy pure class music. Magnifigue !
        The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

        The Way It Was Meant To Be

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        • Here Comes Summer falls from 1 to 6 in BBC, as if in recognition they backed the wrong horse last week.

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          • This week it's NME that's the odd man out denying Cliff Richard #1 and it can't be blamed on 'Dynamite' splitting the sides this week as it has left the NME chart. That said Disc again this week continues to have some 'out of touch' positions too.
            The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

            The Way It Was Meant To Be

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            • I believe this is one of only 3 occasions pre-BMRB when there was an untied 'Official' Number One for 2 or more weeks that did not top any other chart.

              The others being 'Its All In The Game' (3 weeks) and 'Three Steps To Heaven' (2 weeks).
              Last edited by Splodj; Fri June 24, 2022, 11:53. Reason: Inserted 'pre-BMRB'

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              • While the BBC Chart has 3 8's there are actually no tied songs at that position pointswise. Mona Lisa is 9 (40) and Makin' Love is 10 (48).

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                • Greetings Pop Pickers

                  ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 31st 1959

                  Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 31st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                  1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard (A) 1 1 1 1 1 6450
                  2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 2 6235
                  4 3 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 3 3 4 3 4 5925
                  3 4 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 4 4 3 5 3 5855
                  13 5 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 6 5 6 10 5 5330
                  6 6 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 7 6 8 7 7 5200
                  5 7 The Three Bells - The Browns 5 10 5 4 6 5200
                  7 8 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas 8 8 10 6 8 4965
                  11 9 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 9 9 7 9 10 4740
                  12 10 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 11 7 13 15 11 4350
                  10 11 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 10 13 9 13 9 4250
                  NEW 12 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 12= 11 14 14 14 3880
                  8 13 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 12= 15 15 8 15 3755
                  9 14 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 14 14 11 11 18 3655
                  NEW 15 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 15 12 12 12 3230
                  19 16 Peggy Sue Got Married - Buddy Holly 16 17 19 20 16 2865
                  20 17 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 18 17 16 20 2235
                  16 18 Forty Miles Of Bad Road - Duane Eddy 19 16 20 18 2095
                  14 19 Someone - Johnny Mathis 16 22 18 12 1985
                  15 20 Just A Little Too Much / Sweeter Than You - Ricky Nelson 20 17 1455
                  RE 21 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino 19 17 1390
                  23 22 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 20 29 13 1230
                  17 23 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 27 16 975
                  NEW 24 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 17 840
                  NEW 25 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 30 19 795
                  18 26 China Tea - Russ Conway 30 19 615
                  27 27 Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny 23 600
                  NEW 28 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 24 525
                  22 29 Somethin' Else - Eddy Cochran 25 450
                  21 29 The Three Bells - Les Compagnons De La Chanson 25 450
                  Primrose Lane - Dickie Pride 28 225
                  Dynamite - Cliff Richard (B) 21 750
                  24 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains
                  25 The Heart Of A Man - Frankie Vaughan
                  26 I Know - Perry Como
                  27 But Not For Me - Ella Fitzgerald
                  29 The Riddle Of Love - Craig Douglas
                  30 Old Shep - Clinton Ford
                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                  The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                  • It's strange because earlier in the year the chart welcomed The Fleetwoods with Come Softly To Me despite strong competition but now two cover versions chart and The Fleetwoods' superior version of Mr Blue will be totally overlooked.
                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                      It's strange because earlier in the year the chart welcomed The Fleetwoods with Come Softly To Me despite strong competition but now two cover versions chart and The Fleetwoods' superior version of Mr Blue will be totally overlooked.
                      On 10-Oct POTP had fairly featured all 3 versions as new releases, but in other programmes the two UK covers may have been given more attention.

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                      • The numbering on the 31st October chart skips position 26. Presumably it should be 26, 27, 28, 29, 29 rather than 27, 28, 29, 30, 30?

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                        • Hmmm, yeah those are out of sequence. Sorted to 26, 27, 28, 29, 29. Odd the auto sort didn't fix that .
                          The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                          The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers

                            ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 7th 1959

                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 7th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard (A) 1 1 1 1 1 6450
                            2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 2 6235
                            3 3 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 3 3 3 3 3 6020
                            5 4 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 4 4 5 5 4 5725
                            4 5 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 5 5 4 6 5 5580
                            7 6 The Three Bells - The Browns 6 8 6 4 6 5315
                            15 7 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 7= 7 7 10 9 4905
                            9 8 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 7= 6 8 7 12 4900
                            11 9 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 9 11 9 8 7 4745
                            12 10 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 10 9 11 12 8 4585
                            10 11 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 11 10 10 17 10 4200
                            6 12 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 12 12 12 15 11 4010
                            8 13 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas 13 13 16 11 16 3675
                            14 14 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 15 14 14 14 17 3475
                            13 15 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 14 17 13 9 18 3450
                            21 16 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino 16 14 15 19 19 3095
                            17 17 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 18 16 16 20 2460
                            22 18 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 19= 20 20 13 2290
                            19 19 Someone - Johnny Mathis 17 19 19 13 2130
                            25 20 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 19= 18 14 1995
                            24 21 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 28 14 1245
                            18 22 Forty Miles Of Bad Road - Duane Eddy 17 20 985
                            16 23 Peggy Sue Got Married - Buddy Holly 25 18 905
                            26 24 China Tea - Russ Conway 20 825
                            27 25 Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny 22 675
                            NEW 26 Morgen - Ivo Robic 23 600
                            23 27 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka 18 585
                            NEW 28 Mack The Knife - Louis Armstrong 24 525
                            RE 29 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains 27 300
                            28 30 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 29 150
                            Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 30 75
                            Dynamite - Cliff Richard (B) 26
                            20 Just A Little Too Much / Sweeter Than You - Ricky Nelson
                            29 Somethin' Else - Eddie Cochran
                            29 The Three Bells - Les Compagnons De La Chanson
                            The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                            The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                            • All charts are in agreement for the top 3.

                              Manuel (Geoff Love) makes his chart debut. Famously he was number 1 for 3 hours in 1976 when a BMRB computer error placed 'Rodrigo's Guitar Concerto De Aranjuez' at number 1 at 11am on Tuesday 17 February 1976. After the BMRB discovered a computation error, the chart was rerun and the single was placed at number 3 with 'December 1963 (Oh What A Night)' by The Four Seasons taking his place at number 1.

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                              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                All charts are in agreement for the top 3.

                                Manuel (Geoff Love) makes his chart debut. Famously he was number 1 for 3 hours in 1976 when a BMRB computer error placed 'Rodrigo's Guitar Concerto De Aranjuez' at number 1 at 11am on Tuesday 17 February 1976. After the BMRB discovered a computation error, the chart was rerun and the single was placed at number 3 with 'December 1963 (Oh What A Night)' by The Four Seasons taking his place at number 1.
                                I actually liked the above disc a lot. It was a nice tune. Strangely it went to #1 on MM and didn't get demoted.

                                So I wonder if it's 3 hour reign still qualifies it as an 'official' #1
                                The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                • Manuel and the Music of the Mountains is actually a re-entry. The last week positions for China Tea, Sleep Walk, and Poison Ivy all reflect the chart with position 26 missing.

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                                  • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                                    Manuel and the Music of the Mountains is actually a re-entry. The last week positions for China Tea, Sleep Walk, and Poison Ivy all reflect the chart with position 26 missing.
                                    Thanks David those are duly corrected above and on the master spreadsheet.
                                    The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                    The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                      ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 14th 1959

                                      Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 14th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
                                      2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 2 6235
                                      4 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 3 3 4 3 5975
                                      3 4 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 4 5 4 3 4 5775
                                      7 5 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 5 4 6 5 5 5630
                                      5 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 6 5 9 6 5275
                                      9 7 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 7 9 7 7 8 4950
                                      10 8 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 8 8 8 10 7 4915
                                      8 9 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 9 10 13 6 9 4650
                                      6 10 The Three Bells - The Browns 10 11 10 8 11 4470
                                      11 11 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 11 7 9 20 10 4325
                                      18 12 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 12 12 12 12 12 4085
                                      17 13 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 13 16 14 11 14 3640
                                      NEW 14 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 14 13 11 17 2890
                                      12 15 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 16 14 19 15 2775
                                      16 16 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino 17 22 16 15 19 2640
                                      15 17 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 15 15 15 13 2570
                                      13 18 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas 17 19 17 14 2155
                                      21 19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19 18 13 2055
                                      NEW 20 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 24 18 16 1880
                                      14 21 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 20 17 16 1725
                                      NEW 22 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 25 18 1230
                                      NEW 23 Always - Sammy Turner 30 19 20 1155
                                      24 24 China Tea - Russ Conway 21 20 1135
                                      19 25 Someone - Johnny Mathis 28 17 855
                                      30 26 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 20 825
                                      20 27 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 23 600
                                      NEW 28 Count On Me - Shirley Bassey 18 585
                                      NEW 29 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 26 375
                                      29 30 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains 27 300
                                      23 Peggy Sue Got Married - Buddy Holly 29 150
                                      22 Forty Miles Of Bad Road - Duane Eddy
                                      25 Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny
                                      26 Morgen - Ivo Robic
                                      27 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka
                                      28 Mack The Knife - Louis Armstrong
                                      The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                      The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                      • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                        * Again the BBC manuscript is wrong. Craig should be 17 on points 71 and Fats 18 on 72 points.
                                        I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about this. I suspect you forgot that the BBC chart is compiled using only the NME Top 20 so Fats gets 21 'points' for being outside the Top 20 and not 22 (its actual NME position), so both songs are on 71 points at equal 17. Surprisingly the BBC chart has been correct for the past 3 charts.
                                        Last edited by braindeadpj; Wed June 29, 2022, 01:57.

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                                        • MrTibbs
                                          MrTibbs commented
                                          Editing a comment
                                          Yeah sometimes when the NME position is in front of you your mind absorbs that in the calculation. It again just highlights the strange system the BBC adopted with the 'position 21' scenario, all equal when they couldn't be.

                                      • Greetings Pop Pickers

                                        ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 21st 1959

                                        Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders


                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 21st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                        1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
                                        2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 4 6115
                                        3 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 4 3 4 2 5960
                                        5 4 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 4 3 6 3 3 5915
                                        4 5 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 5 6 5 5 5 5515
                                        6 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 5 4 9 6 5385
                                        8 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7 7 9 7 7 5090
                                        14 8 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 8 10 7 13 8 4605
                                        7 9 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 9 11 8 6 14 4450
                                        10 10 The Three Bells - The Browns 10= 9 11 12 12 4345
                                        12 11 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 10= 17 10 8 9 4140
                                        9 12 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 12 8 17 11 15 4075
                                        11 13 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 14 11 15 19 12 3740
                                        20 14 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 13 15 14 17 10 3685
                                        19 15 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 15 16 16 15 11 3570
                                        13 16 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 17 14 10 17 3060
                                        17 17 Living Doll - Ciff Richard 16 13 12 14 2780
                                        26 18 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 18 18 13 20 2265
                                        29 19 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 19 23 16 16 2175
                                        22 20 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 21 19 19 1890
                                        NEW 21 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 20 18 18 1755
                                        15 22 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 21 18 1335
                                        NEW 23 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 25 20 835
                                        23 24 Always - Sammy Turner 26 18 830
                                        NEW 25 Little Donkey - The Beverly Sisters 20 825
                                        27 26 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 23 600
                                        21 27 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 30 20 570
                                        NEW 28 The Village Of St. Bernadette - Anne Shelton 27 300
                                        NEW 29 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 28 225
                                        NEW 30 Nashville Boogie - Bert Weedon 29 150
                                        16 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino
                                        18 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas
                                        24 China Tea - Russ Conway
                                        25 Someone - Johnny Mathis
                                        28 Count On Me - Shirley Bassey
                                        30 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Musoic Of The Mountains
                                        The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                        The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                        • The top 2 lockdown is finally broken in Record Mirror.

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                                          • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                                            the BBC chart is compiled using only the NME Top 20
                                            Were they right to do this? My view is that if the NME 21-30 positions are there you may as well use them.

                                            ​​​But it could be argued that as the others are only 20s it is fairer to treat everything below 20 equally. As I understand it the UAC itself uses this principle when the boot is on the other foot, so to speak, and NME is the smallest chart. Although I suppose you could say there is a stronger case for ignoring positions 31-50 (as being less reliable) than 21-30.

                                            ​​​​Anyway ... with the final two number ones now in the chart I am beginning to get a bit sad that the end is nigh.

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                                            • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                                              ​​​​Anyway ... with the final two number ones now in the chart I am beginning to get a bit sad that the end is nigh.
                                              Yes - but what a mammoth project it’s been!
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                                              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                                The top 2 lockdown is finally broken in Record Mirror.
                                                I reckon Bobby Darin must have come pretty close on at least some of these weeks.
                                                The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                                The Way It Was Meant To Be

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                                                • Yes we are almost there with just 5 charts to go but it will last a few charts longer because like I promised I will then post all the applicable end of year 'bridging' charts where one was not compiled to give a more definitive UAE.

                                                  Yeah this project has been a Herculean task like you say, 2 years of daily pouring over music paper charts, deliberating, correcting errors and inconsisties, compiling them and checking them before daily postings.
                                                  But, it has been such a pleasure to undertake and Im so glad I did. The experience was made all the better by having 24+ guys following my chart child from birth in the mid fifties to 1969 every day of its life.

                                                  I believe I leave something unique and hope you agree.
                                                  The Record Mirror Chart Re-Calculated, Re-Worked, Extended

                                                  The Way It Was Meant To Be

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