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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 29th May 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 29th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    6 1 Long Live Love - Sandie Shaw 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    1 2 Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    2 3 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 3 3 3 3 4 17695
    4 4 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 4 4 4 4 3 17230
    7 5 This Little Bird - Marianne Faithfull 5 5 6 5 6 16175
    5 6 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 6 8 5 8 5 15610
    11 7 Poor Man's Son - The Rockin' Berries 7 6 8 6 8 15205
    13 8 The Clapping Song - Shirley Ellis 8 7 7 7 10 14985
    3 9 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 9 10 9 9 7 13940
    9 10 Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan 10 11 10 10 9 13220
    23 11 Trains And Boats And Planes - Burt Bacharach 11 9 11 11 12 13015
    8 12 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 12 17 12 12 11 11150
    15 13 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 13 13 14 13 14 11095
    22 14 Marie - The Bachelors 14= 12 15 15 18 10505
    16 15 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 14= 16 13 14 17 10390
    10 16 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 16 18 16 17 16 9025
    29 17 The Price Of Love - The Everly Brothers 17 15 19 16 19 8720
    NEW 18 Crying In The Chapel - Elvis Presley 20 14 21 18 24 7795
    12 19 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 19 21 18 21 15 7610
    14 20 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 18 25 17 20 13 7330
    NEW 21 Trains And Boats And Planes - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 21 19 20 19 20 7285
    28 22 (You've) Never Been In Love Before - Unit 4 + 2 22 23 26 22 22 4515
    19 23 That's Why I'm Crying - The Ivy League 24 26 22 23 4050
    27 24 Iko Iko - The Dixie Cups 23 20 28 26 26 3875
    26 25 We Shall Overcome - Joan Baez 28 24 25 29 3070
    17 26 Here Comes The Night - Them 26 23 28 25 2810
    18 27 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 25 24 29 21 2800
    NEW 28 Set Me Free - The Kinks 27 22 30 25 2650
    NEW 29 Come Home - The Dave Clark Five 29 26 29 24 2200
    30 30 Love Her - The Walker Brothers 30 28 27 27 2000
    Little Things - Dave Berry 23 680
    How Long Has It Been - Jim Reeves 29 400
    I've Been Wrong Before - Cilla Black 27 340
    I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 28 255
    I'm Alive - The Hollies 30 200
    Anyway Anyhow Anywhere - The Who 30 200
    Catch The Wind - Donovan 30 30 185


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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 22nd May 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 22nd 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    3 2 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 2 2 2 2 5 18160
    1 3 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 3 4 3 3 3 17580
    5 4 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 4 5 5 5 2 16765
    2 5 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 5 6 4 4 4 16745
    17 6 Long Live Love - Sandie Shaw 6 3 6 6 8 16305
    13 7 This Little Bird - Marianne Faithfull 7 7 7 7 6 15325
    8 8 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 8 10 8 8 7 14290
    11 9 Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan 9 8 9 9 9 14170
    6 10 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 10 12 11 10 12 12515
    21 11 Poor Man's Son - The Rockin' Berries 11 11 12 11 13 12280
    7 12 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 13 15 10 14 10 11935
    20 13 The Clapping Song - Shirley Ellis 14 9 14 13 14 11895
    10 14 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 12 13 13 12 11 11700
    14 15 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 15 14 15 15 15 10360
    19 16 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 16 18 16 17 18 8855
    9 17 Here Comes The Night - Them 17 16 18 16 19 8770
    12 18 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 18 22 17 18 17 7790
    23 19 That's Why I'm Crying - The Ivy League 19 19 20 19 23 7030
    15 20 Little Things - Dave Berry 21 29 19 20 24 5095
    16 21 Catch The Wind - Donovan 20 21 21 16 4775
    NEW 22 Marie - The Bachelors 24 21 24 22 4650
    NEW 23 Trains And Boats And Planes - Burt Bacharach 22 17 28 25 27 4490
    24 24 I've Been Wrong Before - Cilla Black 25 27 23 28 20 4035
    18 25 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 23 22 23 21 3900
    29 26 We Shall Overcome - Joan Baez 27 27 25 26 2725
    NEW 27 Iko Iko - The Dixie Cups 26 20 26 2700
    NEW 28 (You've) Never Been In Love Like This Before - Unit 4 + 2 28 24 24 2100
    NEW 29 The Price Of Love - The Everly Brothers 29 23 29 1770
    NEW 30 Love Her - The Walker Brothers 30 26 30 30 1635
    Trains And Boats And Planes - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas 24 29 1600
    Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 30 27 25 1510
    How Long Has It Been - Jim Reeves 26 27 1400
    The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 30 22 1015
    Once Upon A Time - Tom Jones 29 500
    The Last Time -The Rolling Stones 28 255

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  • Graham76man
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    I wonder if that was anything to do with from 1965 onwards you could now buy Beatles singles from Woolworth's. Prior to that you couldn't.

  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Surprisingly, despite the films and massive publicity for both A Hard Day's Night and Help neither single sold a million at the time in the UK like most other Beatles singles in the late 63 to late 65 did. The only other exception was ..Ticket To Ride.
    Mind you I don't think EMI were all that trueful on the sales of records. Even the bloke that made the Beatles - George Martin was paid peanuts by EMI. If you read his own book he didn't even know the amount they were selling. Threatening to quit, he got a Christmas bonus based on sales of the Beatles stuff. It's not till he did the conversion maths did he knew the scale of the income from them. So shocked by the massive amount thinking it was wrong he asked his boss. "No that's right" - he was told.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 15th May 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 15th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 1 1 1 2 2 18865
    2 2 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 2= 3 2 3 1 18200
    3 3 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 2= 2 3 1 3 18180
    10 4 Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 4 4 4 4 5 17060
    6 5 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 5 5 5 5 4 16595
    4 6 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 6 8 7 6 7 15140
    7 7 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 7 13 6 7 8 14205
    14 8 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 8 7 10 8 11 14050
    5 9 Here Comes The Night - Them 9 11 8 11 6 13875
    9 10 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 11 9 9 9 12 13715
    13 11 Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan 10 6 12 10 10 13635
    8 12 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 12 14 11 12 9 12170
    26 13 This Little Bird - Marianne Faithfull 13 10 13 13 13 12030
    18 14 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 14 15 14 15 18 10155
    11 15 Little Things - Dave Berry 15 17 16 16 15 9410
    12 16 Catch The Wind - Donovan 16 19 15 18 14 9145
    NEW 17 Long Live Love - Sandie Shaw 18 12 19 14 8500
    15 18 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 17 21 17 17 16 8175
    21 19 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 19 20 20 21 21 6800
    NEW 20 The Clapping Song - Shirley Ellis 20 15 24 20 25 6560
    NEW 21 Poor Man's Son - The Rockin' Berries 21 18 22 19 28 6305
    16 22 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 22 29 18 22 19 5570
    24 23 That's Why I'm Crying - The Ivy League 23= 23 23 24 22 5065
    23 24 I've Been Wrong Before - Cilla Black 23= 22 25 26 17 4990
    19 25 The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 25 30 21 20 3635
    25 26 Once Upon A Time - Tom Jones 27 26 26 27 2650
    20 27 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 26 27 25 23 2280
    22 28 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 28 27 29 28 27 1940
    NEW 29 We Shall Overcome - Joan Baez 24 1400
    17 30 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 29 28 24 1345
    Something Better Beginning - The Honeycombs 25 1200
    Marie - The Bachelors 30 23 800
    That's How Strong My Love Is - The In Crowd 28 600
    I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 26 425
    A Little You - Freddie and The Dreamers 30 250
    How Long Has It Been - Jim Reeves 29 200
    I Can't Explain - The Who 29 170
    Love Her - The Walker Brothers 30 100
    That'll Be The Day - The Everly Brothers 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Surprisingly, despite the films and massive publicity for both A Hard Day's Night and Help neither single sold a million at the time in the UK like most other Beatles singles in the late 63 to late 65 did. The only other exception was ..Ticket To Ride.

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  • Graham76man
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    I have been watching the Blue Ray of Help which features the Ticket To Ride song.
    The iconic bit where the notes appear on the telegraph poles, was just a way to hide the fact they were poles in the shot. The Beatles had to learn to ski!
    Wendy Richard and Frankie Howard filmed a scene in the film. But it got cut out. Wendy, very young at that time, was devastated about. She wondered why she didn't get invited to the premier!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 8th May 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 8th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    7 3 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 3 3 3 3 4 17695
    6 4 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 4 4 4 4 8 16805
    4 5 Here Comes The Night - Them 5 5 8 6 3 15830
    11 6 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 7 8 5 8 5 15610
    5 7 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 6 7 7 5 6 15525
    3 8 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 8 10 6 7 7 14890
    14 9 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 9 11 9 9 11 13400
    20 10 Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 11 8 10 12 15 13110
    8 11 Little Things - Dave Berry 10 12 11 10 10 12685
    9 12 Catch The Wind - Donovan 12 14 12 13 9 11820
    27 13 Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan 14 6 16 15 17 11540
    18 14 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 13 13 14 11 14 11295
    12 15 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 15 15 13 14 12 11015
    10 16 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 16 17 15 16 13 9830
    15 17 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 19 22 17 19 19 7520
    21 18 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 20 16 20 17 27 7490
    17 19 The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 18 22 18 20 16 7425
    13 20 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 17 21 19 18 18 7405
    23 21 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 21 19 21 25 20 6435
    16 22 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 22 18 22 22 23 6430
    29 23 I've Been Wrong Before - Cilla Black 23 24 27 26 24 3495
    NEW 24 That's Why I'm Crying - The Ivy League 25 26 23 29 29 3370
    28 25 Once Upon A Time - Tom Jones 28 27 25 21 3300
    NEW 26 This Little Bird - Marianne Faithfull 26 20 23 3000
    19 27 I Can't Explain - The Who 24 24 21 2600
    22 28 I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers 30 26 24 25 2460
    26 29 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 27 28 29 22 1865
    24 30 A Little You - Freddie and The Dreamers 29 29 28 30 26 1675
    Something Better Beginning - The Honeycombs 25 1200
    It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 30 28 505
    Poor Man's Son - The Rockin' Berries 30 28 500
    Tommy - Twinkle 27 400
    Everybody's Gonna Be Happy - The Kinks 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 1st May 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 1st 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    6 2 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 2 2 2 2 4 18245
    2 3 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 3 4 3 3 2 17665
    3 4 Here Comes The Night - Them 4 3 4 4 3 17430
    8 5 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 5 7 5 5 5 16110
    9 6 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 6 5 6 6 7 15990
    16 7 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 8 6 7 7 15 14760
    10 8 Little Things - Dave Berry 7 8 9 9 6 14425
    7 9 Catch The Wind - Donovan 9 10 8 8 9 14120
    4 10 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 10 11 10 10 8 13305
    18 11 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 11 9 11 11 14 12845
    11 12 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 12 12 13 13 10 11885
    5 13 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 13 15 12 12 11 11550
    20 14 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 14 13 14 14 17 10740
    12 15 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 15 18 15 15 12 9815
    14 16 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 16 14 17 16 16 9675
    13 17 The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 17 19 16 17 13 9080
    26 18 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 18 16 20 18 26 7475
    15 19 I Can't Explain - The Who 19 25 18 19 18 6755
    NEW 20 Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 20 17 24 22 24 6045
    29 21 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 22 23 19 20 30 5785
    17 22 I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers 21 28 21 21 21 4950
    24 23 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 23 27 22 25 20 4585
    27 24 A Little You - Freddie and The Dreamers 26 22 26 28 27 3690
    19 25 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 24 23 23 22 3565
    21 26 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 25 26 25 19 3520
    NEW 27 Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan 27 20 26 2700
    NEW 28 Once Upon A Time - Tom Jones 29 21 27 2400
    NEW 29 I've Been Wrong Before - Cilla Black 28 23 24 2300
    22 30 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy - The Kinks 30 28 23 1430
    That's Why I'm Crying - The Ivy League 30 27 29 1400
    Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 29 29 670
    Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 25 510
    I'm Gonna Get There Somehow - Val Doonican 30 28 505
    Something Better Beginning - The Honeycombs 29 400
    Nowhere To Run - Martha and The Vandellas 30 30 300

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 24th April 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 24th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 3 18330
    4 3 Here Comes The Night - Them 3 3 3 3 2 17865
    3 4 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 4 4 4 4 4 17145
    5 5 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 5 5 6 5 7 16090
    15 6 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 7 6 8 8 8 15005
    6 7 Catch The Wind - Donovan 6 12 5 6 6 14925
    10 8 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 8 9 7 7 10 14585
    12 9 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 10 7 9 11 11 14000
    13 10 Little Things - Dave Berry 9 10 11 9 5 13610
    8 11 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 12 8 10 12 12 13365
    7 12 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 11 11 12 10 9 12720
    9 13 The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 13 14 13 13 13 11230
    14 14 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 14 13 14 14 14 10995
    11 15 I Can't Explain - The Who 15 15 15 17 15 9960
    25 16 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 16 16 16 18 19 9070
    17 17 I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers 17 20 17 16 16 8475
    22 18 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 18 17 18 20 20 8085
    16 19 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 19 26 19 15 18 6705
    NEW 20 Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 20 22 21 19 26 5925
    21 21 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 23 20 22 24 5045
    23 22 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy - The Kinks 21 23 26 26 17 4540
    18 23 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 22 20 21 22 4515
    24 24 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 24 24 25 22 27 4140
    20 25 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 25 29 23 24 23 3780
    NEW 26 Wonderful World - Herman's Hermits 18 30 2700
    NEW 27 A Little You - Freddie and The Dreamers 27 19 28 2700
    19 28 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 26 24 21 2600
    NEW 29 Not Until The Next Time - Jim Reeves 27 23 1800
    RE 30 Nowhere To Run - Martha and The Vandellas 28 26 25 1600
    Something Better Beginning - The Honeycombs 29= 25 1200
    Reelin' And Rockin ' - The Dave Clark Five 28 750
    At The Club - The Drifters 28 600
    I'm Gonna Get There Somehow - Val Doonican 29= 25 510
    True Love For Evermore - The Bachelors 29 500
    You Can Have Him - Dionne Warwick 27 400
    Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 28 255
    A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 30 250
    Where Are You Now - Jackie Trent 30 200
    Whatever Happened To The Good Times - The Peddlers 29 200
    The Birds And The Bees - Jewel Akins 29 170
    I Know A Place - Petula Clark 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work all day. Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 17th April 1965.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 17th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    NEW 1 Ticket To Ride - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 11 18200
    1 2 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 1 18500
    2 3 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 3 5 3 3 2 17465
    6 4 Here Comes The Night - Them 5 3 4 6 5 17060
    4 5 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 4 4 5 4 3 16980
    5 6 Catch The Wind - Donovan 6 6 6 7 4 15945
    3 7 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 7 7 7 5 6 15525
    12 8 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 8 8 8 8 7 14690
    8 9 The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 9 10 9 9 9 13770
    18 10 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 10 12 10 10 10 12935
    11 11 I Can't Explain - The Who 11 13 11 15 8 12155
    23 12 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 13 9 13 11 17 12090
    16 13 Little Things - Dave Berry 12 11 12 14 12 12065
    14 14 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 17 15 14 16 16 10225
    21 15 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 16 14 15 18 14 10145
    7 16 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 14 16 17 13 13 9830
    15 17 I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers 15 17 16 12 15 9810
    9 18 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 18 18 18 17 21 8100
    13 19 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 20 22 19 21 20 6735
    10 20 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 19 23 20 19 18 6655
    17 21 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 21 20 21 22 19 6620
    NEW 22 True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 22 21 23 20 24 5695
    19 23 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy - The Kinks 23 25 22 23 22 5015
    NEW 24 All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 24 26 27 24 23 3380
    NEW 25 A World Of Our Own - The Seekers 25 24 28 25 2750
    25 26 Reelin' And Rockin' - The Dave Clark Five 27 28 24 29 2520
    24 27 I Don't Want To Go On Without You - The Moody Blues 19 2400
    20 28 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 26 25 29 25 2210
    26 29 I Know A Place - Petula Clark 28= 26 28 1505
    NEW 30 True Love For Evermore - The Bachelors 27 30 30 1150
    Oh No Not My Baby - Manfred Mann 30 29 26 900
    Nowhere To Run - Martha and The Vandellas 28= 28 26 725
    A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 29 500
    A Little You - Freddie and The Dreamers 27 400
    I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 27 340
    I'm Gonna Get There Somehow - Val Doonican 30 200
    Do The Clam - Elvis Presley 30 85
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed January 13, 2021, 15:13.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 10th April 1965.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 10th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 2 1 1 3 4 18595
    2 2 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 1 3 3 1 1 18150
    1 3 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 3 4 2 2 2 18015
    4 4 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 4 1 4 4 3 17830
    8 5 Catch The Wind - Donovan 5 6 5 5 5 16310
    14 6 Here Comes The Night - Them 6 5 7 6 6 15825
    5 7 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 7 8 6 7 7 15290
    12 8 The Times they Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan 8 9 8 8 13 13980
    6 9 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 9 12 9 9 9 13370
    7 10 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 11 11 10 10 11 13050
    13 11 I Can't Explain - The Who 10 10 11 11 10 12985
    18 12 Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes 12 7 13 12 12 12815
    9 13 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 13 14 12 13 8 11905
    15 14 You’re Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 14 12 15 15 14 10845
    17 15 I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers 15 16 14 14 16 10225
    22 16 Little Things - Dave Berry 16 15 17 16 17 9390
    10 17 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 17 19 16 17 15 8910
    29 18 Pop Go The Workers - The Barron Knights 18= 18 19 19 19 7820
    25 19 Everybody's Gonna Be Happy - The Kinks 18= 19 20 18 18 7555
    11 20 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 20 23 18 20 20 6885
    NEW 21 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 21 22 24 21 26 4975
    16 22 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 22 28 22 24 21 4400
    NEW 23 Bring It On Home To Me - The Animals 23= 21 27 25 3600
    28 24 I Don't Want To Go On Without You - The Moody Blues 25= 17 26 3300
    24 25 Reelin' And Rockin' - The Dave Clark Five 23= 26 25 29 24 3295
    20 26 I Know A PLace - Petula Clark 25= 21 22 3265
    19 27 Yes I Will - The Hollies 30 23 27 2340
    21 28 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 27 26 28 23 2230
    NEW 29 Nowhere To Run - Martha and The Vandellas 28 24 23 2200
    26 30 Do The Clam - Elvis Presley 29 30 29 27 25 1610
    Hawaiian Wedding Song - Julie Rogers 25 1200
    All Over The World - Francoise Hardy 27 28 1055
    I Apologise - P J Proby 28 29 920
    True Love Ways - Peter and Gordon 22 900
    True Love For Evermore - The Bachelors 29 30 500
    A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 30 250
    In The Meantime - Georgie Fame 30 85

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  • MrTibbs
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    Thanks for those supportive comments guys. After the negative ones it is good to get some positive feedback that my work is appreciated and enjoyed by most guys. Here is the next chart.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

    NO YOUR NOT - Brian

    We are all enjoying your charts.
    Please carry on PLEASE
    I second that Brian. You laid out the rules for your compilation of the Ultimate Averaged chart from the start. Looking forward to seeing what happens when there are 4 different No.1s on the charts. I believe that happened in 1968 didn't it, so a while to wait....?

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  • Graham76man
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    I put off considerable time compiling and sharing these averaged charts on a daily basis so all you guys can enjoy these too but it would appear I'm wasting my time.
    NO YOUR NOT - Brian

    We are all enjoying your charts.
    Please carry on PLEASE

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  • MrTibbs
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    Mathematically your reasoning may well be sound but I have to disagree with its application to my chart analysis. A No 1 is a No 1, be it one or 2 records sharing the position and so both are entitled to the same credit and points.
    I think you are over analysing this and making a simple process complicated by looking for faults in the compilation process. I have to say I take exception to this criticism in the compilation methodology I am using when I have been completely open and transparent from the start on the compilation process. Deliberately looking for faults and openly criticising the methodology isn't helpful after compiling almost a year and a half worth of these charts and it devalues the time and effort I have put into this.

    I put off considerable time compiling and sharing these averaged charts on a daily basis so all you guys can enjoy these too but it would appear I'm wasting my time.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Just to clarify Brian, I am not in favor of adjusting the historical charts. If 2 records tied at #1 on NME, then that's the way it was, it should stay. But in compiling a composite chart, those NME #1 tied records should be WEIGHTED as the average of 1 + 2 = 1.5 each.

    Weighting NME at 200 record shops, a #1 = 30 x 200 = 6000 points. A #2 = 29 x 200 = 5800. Total of 11800 points in front of the #3 record.

    But if tied at #1, you have a total of 2 x 6000 = 12000 points in front of the #3 record, an extra 200 points. This affects the balance of total NME points against the other charts, in a sense you are giving even more weight to an extra NME #1 record above and beyond the 200 record shop weighting.

    But weighting them both at 1.5 each, you have 29.5 x 200 = 5900 points each, a total of 11800 points in front of the #3. So extra points are not created, and the point total relationships are maintained. And no extra advantage for an NME tied #1 record vs. the other charts when adding up total points.

    It's a math thing...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Im working today guys. Will post the next chart when I get home tonight. I get the mathematical point made above re joint positions but I believe they are what they are, equal, for the purpose of chart compilation. If both sold 100,000 say, then they are equal and entitled to hold the higher chart position jointly . The records below did not sell as much so are correctly placed. Retrospectively adjusting these charts now to compensate is unfairly changing the history of that chart.

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  • Splodj
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    Robin, sorry for not seeing your post on this before. I believe Brian applied the mid-point principle to the RM dealers charts and this struck me as the best policy.

    The argument against could be: 'But the component chart says number one so that is what I am applying'. But that is only half the picture - the other half being that the component chart also says there is no number two. You have explained this well by citing the actual points involved.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    NME had an incredible 7 number one ties in the period 1961-6.

    An interesting technical point to ponder is a why a composite chart should treat tied records as being at the highest position. Shouldn't they be considered as being at the mid-point between the highest and the lowest position? So, for example, two joint number ones would be counted as being at number one and a half.
    Excellent point Splodj, and I agree (have posted this opinion before myself). Giving 2 tied records the point value of the highest position creates a total points imbalance for the whole chart. And compiling multiple charts together for a composite would favor those 2 records, and penalize others, for the other records would have to overcome those extra points in order to rank higher.

    For a Top 30 chart, the sum of all positions is 465 points. But if you have 2 records tied at #1, the total points becomes 464 (non-inverse), or 466 (inverse).

    If you do weighted charts like Brian is doing here, the sum of all inverse points across 4 charts weighted by # of dealers is 295,275. But if you have 2 records tied at #1 on NME, giving each record the value of a #1, then the total points becomes 295,475: you have injected an extra 200 points into the process, which helps the 2 tied records, and hurts all other records by placing those extra points in front of them to overcome.

    It's like a golf tournament. If 2 golfers tie at #2, they take the 2nd and 3rd place prize money and split it, they don't pay both golfers the #2 prize money.

    So yes, fairness dictates that tied records split the points between the 2 positions, not give them both the points of the highest position.

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  • Graham76man
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    Indeed it was, and was on new release that very week. The EP entering at 30 on 4 April, or week ending 10 April. But it didn't stop the USA single reaching 9 that week, it's highest position. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Epstien's stores had stacks of the US records and sold the most. Liverpool could easily get imports from the USA being a port.
    I hate the week ending dates. They cause me lots of confusion. They don't actually cover the sales for 4 to 10 April, instead they cover the sales for the seven (well 6 in the 60's) before the 4 April.

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  • Splodj
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    NME had an incredible 7 number one ties in the period 1961-6.

    An interesting technical point to ponder is a why a composite chart should treat tied records as being at the highest position. Shouldn't they be considered as being at the mid-point between the highest and the lowest position? So, for example, two joint number ones would be counted as being at number one and a half.

    'Eight Days A Week' was available to UK customers on the first 'Beatles For ​​​​Sale' EP. It says on the EP sleevenotes that it includes the three tracks from the album that were considered for a single, including Eight Days. I assume there was artistic pressure from the Beatles to do this, rather than release Eight Days alone as a single (per the States) which would have been the more commercial option.

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  • Graham76man
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    The Barron Knights single credits "with Duke D'Mond". Many of their hits credit that. The Numbers are spelt out: Unit Four + Two. I have noticed that even Record Retailer often alters titles and artists names. You would think that the "Trade Paper" would get things like that right! The worst case I have come across is Pinkerton's Assorted Colours. With all the papers using those words. But not all of those words are used on the singles. Instead the label shortened one word to "Assort." Given the papers would have benefited from the reduction. Don't forget type had to still be "set" at this stage! Not putting the full word would have saved them time.

    Missing hits include: The Beatles - Eight Days A Week at 12. I don't know if it was an import or what, but it was selling. Woolies at this time were selling mostly EP's - All titled "The Big Four" - Four current hits all covered by session singers and musicians. Number 3 in the series had moved up from 40 to 27. Woolies had four of these EP's for sale at this point. All were in the top 100, but only one in the 30.

    The biggest variation is that Marianne Faithful had knocked off the Stones selling just 5,000 more than them. She keeps it (sales falling though), preventing both Cliff and Unit Four from getting top, both stalling at number two. Before the new Beatles hit lands top.
    Cliff did (later) however pass the million sales mark.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Splodj. Unit and Cliff will both top 2 charts but the store returns will place Cliff at the chart summit.
    NME will also have a joint No 1 with Cliff and The Yardbirds, that is a weird one. There are actually times I have to admit when the NME chart is more out of sync than RR

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  • Splodj
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    The next week looks like the one where there is a difference with the BBC top spot then. Cliff instead of Unit 4+2?

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