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  • I started listening to POTP in 1962 and never noticed the references to the contributory music papers. As far as I knew it was simply the chart.

    In 1965 the lady who gave me a lift to school left out the Daily Sketch for me read and I was grateful to be able to see the NME chart in advance of POTP. But one week the Sketch said 'For Your Love' was number one and I was then surprised to see that TOTP said it was 'Concrete And Clay'. (My memory is that it was outright number one in the Sketch's NME chart, not tied atop as in the NME publication itself that week.) This started me wondering how the BBC chart was compiled and if there was a better way of doing it. I've been waiting a long time for this thread!

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    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
      Yes we are almost there with just 5 charts to go but it will last a few charts longer because like I promised I will then post all the applicable end of year 'bridging' charts where one was not compiled to give a more definitive UAE.

      Yeah this project has been a Herculean task like you say, 2 years of daily pouring over music paper charts, deliberating, correcting errors and inconsisties, compiling them and checking them before daily postings.
      But, it has been such a pleasure to undertake and Im so glad I did. The experience was made all the better by having 24+ guys following my chart child from birth in the mid fifties to 1969 every day of its life.

      I believe I leave something unique and hope you agree.
      Hear Hear. Your achievement will go down in chart afficionado history (or at least it should!).

      A better representation of the music scene than was previously available from any single chart between 1955 to 1969 making the most of the (limited) available data and of course all the 'rules' are evident from the outset.

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      • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

        Hear Hear. Your achievement will go down in chart afficionado history (or at least it should!).

        A better representation of the music scene than was previously available from any single chart between 1955 to 1969 making the most of the (limited) available data and of course all the 'rules' are evident from the outset.
        Peace .. that elusive word, ever spoken, never enacted.

        I had planned on going to London next week to collect the remaining RM dealer charts for the next big project to get my teeth into but need to hold off a bit. When I was in London briefly two weeks ago for the ABBA show I flew down with BA Saturday morning and was flying back Sunday night. Late on Friday night BA cancelled the return flight at short notice and I spent an hour and managed to get a flight back with Easy Jet for the Sunday night. So all was well, not, at 3.30 Sunday morning Easy Jet cancelled their flight too. So I had to hot foot it to Euston and scramble to get a remaining train seat home.

        On top of that we now of course have the rail dispute and strikes. So as both flights and rail is unreliable at present, at best, I need to hold off. I want to know I can reliably get there and back as arranged without last minute cancellations. This is what we have come to in this country.

        But rest assured soon as I will be down to get the data for a RM Top 50, 75, maybe even a hundred. So be patient with me
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        • Greetings Pop Pickers

          ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 28th 1959

          Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 28th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
          Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
          4 2 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 2 2 2 2 2 6235
          3 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 4 5 3 3 5875
          2 4 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 4 3 4 4 5 5820
          8 5 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 5 5 3 6 6 5555
          6 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 5 6 11 8 5105
          7 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7 7 8 9 7 5035
          21 8 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 8= 8 7 13 4 4995
          5 9 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 8= 9 9 5 9 4910
          15 10 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson * 14 11 11 15 10 4180
          9 11 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 11 12 18 7 18 3740
          11 12 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 10 20 10 8 12 3735
          19 13 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 12 13 17 16 11 3715
          13 14 Broken- Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 13 10 15 18 15 3680
          14 15 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 15 14 20 14 13 3505
          18 16 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 17 17 12 19 16 3155
          10 17 The Three Bells - The Browns 16 15 13 12 2685
          16 18 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 18 17 10 1995
          12 19 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 16 20 1620
          17 20 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 24 19 17 1575
          23 21 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 19 27 14 1320
          NEW 22 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 22 16 1200
          NEW 23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - Paul Evans and The Curls 25 19 1170
          20 24 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 19 900
          NEW 25 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 17 840
          NEW 26 The Best Of Everything - Johnny Mathis 30 19 795
          29 27 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 21 750
          25 28 Little Donkey - The Beverley Sisters 23 600
          NEW 29 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 20 14 595
          NEW 30 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 26 375
          22 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 28 225
          30 Nashville Boogie - Bert Weedon 29 150
          24 Always - Sammy Rurner
          26 Mr Blue - David Macbeth
          27 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty
          28 The Village Of St. Bernadette - Anne Shelton
          * Record Mirror made a mistake this week and omitted Sandy Nelson Teen Beat which should have been #10. I have corrected this placing Sandy at #10 and pushed all other previous records from The Avons down one place. The BBC did not include the missing Teen Beat in their calculation.
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          • Been away one and a half week on Norways southern shore having a preholiday with grandkids. Since the cabin is offline it’s on arrival home today I’m able to catch up with you Brian, and indeed it’s quite an enjoyment to return to. The quality, magnitude and design of your work is really amazing.
            I’ll enjoy your Christmas week extra charts while waiting for the RM extended which will make extremely interesting weekly charts and even more interesting chartruns.
            The problem with creating the extra charts is of course that the sales differences between the lowest positions are less than higher up and we don’t have these sales figures. That means that the in between averages will include an element of insecurity, but I’m certain that your experience from doing the UAC has made you extremely well qualified to continue to handle these challenges.

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            • Originally posted by kjell View Post
              Been away one and a half week on Norways southern shore having a preholiday with grandkids. Since the cabin is offline it’s on arrival home today I’m able to catch up with you Brian, and indeed it’s quite an enjoyment to return to. The quality, magnitude and design of your work is really amazing.
              I’ll enjoy your Christmas week extra charts while waiting for the RM extended which will make extremely interesting weekly charts and even more interesting chartruns.
              The problem with creating the extra charts is of course that the sales differences between the lowest positions are less than higher up and we don’t have these sales figures.
              Firstly many thanks to you and all the guys above for both the likes and supportive comments you have made on this project thus far. These really are much appreciated coming from my peers.

              Secondly I really am anxious now to get the RM extended chart underway and as soon as some travel stability is reinstated I will be up and running.

              It's gonna be a much bigger project of course in terms of using raw data and inputing to a larger chart. The UAC at most used 5 charts. The extended RM chart will be using around 60 charts requiring to be input, analysed, and in some cases even tweaked a bit, like when one song is listed at a position by combined artists, so hugely labour intensive.

              But what an outcome lies in store. Currently only the NME has an extended chart for this period of 30 places. My RM chart will considerably surpass that limit, at least a Top 50 initially and probably well beyond that as the decade progresses. I'm already excited at the thought of all the new hits that will be given credit for the first time with a chart place, and acts we thought never charted appearing on the roll of honour at last.

              The chart length will vary week on week because I intend to give every record the right to chart down to even
              1 point from 60 stores. Every record that made those 60 or so charts. What a feast.

              Naturally there will be lots of ties at the bottom end of the chart especially but I don't think this will bother you too much.

              Lastly and I hope you don't mind but although way back I compiled the 54/55 RM years this was pretty basic and simple using just a notebook and a calculator and a chart cut off point of 20 and 30 positions. These were posted in a thread here.
              I'm going back to the beginning again to re-visit these by using a spreadsheet and fully expanding these charts too to cover every record that made all the dealer charts. This re-visit makes sense as it will deliver a consistent extended RM chart all presented together in the same format, properly checked to cover the years 54 to 61.

              So the immediate good news for you is this. While I wait a couple of months or so realistically to get to London again, transport willing (sooner if fate allows), I can actually start this exercise in a couple of weeks once the UAC project is complete and I have a few days to prepare. Once I start to post these starting again in late 1954 I will ask Lonnie if the original thread can hopefully be removed from here to prevent confusion and allow the new postings to take precedence.

              What a chart this will be for the future. RM in all its glory. The way it was meant to be compiled.

              Is this how you fellow chart enthusiasts see my ideas on this as the way forward too ?
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              • That sounds a great idea. I am wondering though whether it would be better to maintain the existing Top 30 and present the additional records in a separate section below labelled 'Next 20' or however many there are. This may be just a presentational nicety, but I like the integrity of the existing 30 and think this can best be maintained if separated from the low scores and ties that are likely to occur below. I suppose you cannot decide on something like this until you see how the reworked calculations look, but thought I would mention it as a possibility.

                One other thought. It would be good to include a column for NME positions from the beginning rather than only from 4-Dec-54.

                Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                Once I start to post these starting again in late 1954 I will ask Lonnie if the original thread can hopefully be removed from here to prevent confusion and allow the new postings to take precedence.
                There are some interesting comments on that thread it would be a pity to lose. Might it be better to keep it and attach a link on there to the new thread?

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                • I agree with Splodj that I'd prefer to see a fixed chart size (a top 30) unless extending it to a top 50 didn't include a number of tied positions with records on a very low amount of points. If records at the lower end of the top 50 were charting on a small number of points then there could be a lot of instability in the very lower reaches with wild chart movements for some records.

                  As Splodj has also posted, it is something that you might not be able to decide on until you see how the reworked calculations look. A top 50 could be perfectly fine.

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                  • I’m happy to leave the original as that - the original. It seemed a purpose and is a historical record.

                    I’d also make the first four or five charts and then decide on depth. After all we are saying that below XX position it might be unstable. Until it’s started you don’t know and we could all be wrong. It might be hugely stable down to 75 or terrible beyond 20

                    I think we agree with your judgement as it’s always logical and reasoned.
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                    • Guys I have to say I am liking what I am hearing from you thus far. As I had expected, excellent feedback above already on this topic and all your points to my mind are valid ones and so helpful to me as I formulate how I am going to approach this to make it spot on as a major innovative project. Thanks for this early feedback.

                      If any other guys also wish to offer their thoughts on this too it will be gratefully received allowing me to fine tune this project and let you know before it starts on how I have incorporated all your input towards the final draft for compiling and posting.

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                      • I’m fascinated by the possibilities that are ahead. It would be wrong to fix a number of positions first. The outcome of the material will prove what is sensible and I trust Brian to be the best judge of that. I expect that as with the Music Echo it may be necessary to change the number of positions between 54 and 61, perhaps even several times when the market changes. We may expect stable periods with relatively few hits and periods with competing trends where many hits get few points. It may even be weeks around Christmas when it would be interesting with a few weeks extra prolonged chart. Ranking also with relatively few points will give better information than a whole lot of B for breakers below each weeks chart. A big thank you Brian for doing this profoundly interesting project.

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                        • Originally posted by kjell View Post
                          I’m fascinated by the possibilities that are ahead. It would be wrong to fix a number of positions first. The outcome of the material will prove what is sensible and I trust Brian to be the best judge of that. I expect that as with the Music Echo it may be necessary to change the number of positions between 54 and 61, perhaps even several times when the market changes. We may expect stable periods with relatively few hits and periods with competing trends where many hits get few points. It may even be weeks around Christmas when it would be interesting with a few weeks extra prolonged chart. Ranking also with relatively few points will give better information than a whole lot of B for breakers below each weeks chart. A big thank you Brian for doing this profoundly interesting project.
                          Yes a big thank you to Brian for a) almost finishing this one off and b) contemplating the new one. I’ve been quite quiet the last few weeks (first wife then me with Covid and only just feeling myself again today) it I love that we have this project here and can’t wait to see the next one
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                          • In the meantime we are into the last month of actual UAC as we reach December 1959.

                            Greetings Pop Pickers

                            ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 5th 1959

                            Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 5th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            2 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 2 1 1 2 6315
                            8 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 1 3 3 1 6290
                            1 3 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 3 3 2 2 3 6100
                            5 4 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 4 4 4 4 4 5805
                            3 5 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 5 5 5 5 5 5590
                            4 6 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 6 6 6 6 6 5375
                            7 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7= 7 7 9 8 5010
                            13 8 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 7= 8 8 8 7 5005
                            6 9 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 9 9 9 11 10 4580
                            10 10 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 11 10 11 13 8 4465
                            9 11 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 10 11 10 7 13 4395
                            15 12 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 12 12 17 12 11 3970
                            24 13 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 13 13 13 19 14 3540
                            12 14 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 14 25 12 10 20 2720
                            22 15 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 16 14 16 19 2520
                            16 16 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 15 15 15 18 2345
                            18 17 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 17= 16 20 15 2230
                            25 18 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 17= 18 12 2115
                            29 19 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 19 22 14 17 1900
                            21 20 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 20 28 18 15 1640
                            11 21 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 21 14 1515
                            30 22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 30 20 17 1410
                            14 23 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 17 1050
                            28 24 Little Donkey - The Beverley Sisters 24 19 945
                            NEW 25 San Miguel - Lonnie Donegan 19 900
                            NEW 25 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 16 900
                            NEW 27 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 20 825
                            NEW 28 Ivy Will Cling - Arnold Strang 18 780
                            17 29 The Three Bells - The Browns 30 16 750
                            27 30 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 23 600
                            I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnnie Ray 26 375
                            19 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 26 375
                            San Miguel - The Kingston Trio 29 150
                            If You Were The Only Boy In The World - Stevie Marsh 30 75
                            20 Living Doll - Cliff Richard
                            23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - Paul Evans and The Curls
                            26 The Best Of Everything - Johnny Mathis
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                            • Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

                              Yes a big thank you to Brian for a) almost finishing this one off and b) contemplating the new one. I’ve been quite quiet the last few weeks (first wife then me with Covid and only just feeling myself again today) it I love that we have this project here and can’t wait to see the next one
                              I escaped it for nearly two years Lonnie then because I'm a nurse working in the environment of people with it caught it in January of this year. If I didn't get tested weekly as a nurse I wouldn't have known I had it, I didn't have any symptoms at all luckily but I have seen others like yourself get thoroughly miserable with it (and worse) so I'm glad you and your wife have come through it ok and are feeling better now.

                              At the end of this thread when all the remaining charts and 'bridging' charts are posted I'm gonna particularly thank all my supporters here and especially those who have helped to contribute to the success of the thread. Like I said earlier this was never a one man show and it would never have come to fruition without many guys here assisting, advising, correcting, and supporting. The end result is actually a team effort.
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                              • Wow, I'm getting jazzed for these upcoming RM expanded charts 1954-61, Brian. What you'll be doing is basically what the book Hits That Missed should have done, recompiled the whole RM charts, not just the uncharted bubblers, though that was a most excellent book in itself.

                                I think we've discussed this before: should you (a) recompile the entire RM charts top to bottom, or (b) do all your compiling, but then keep the published RM chart as is for the upper part, and then add all the lower positions afterwards. Just something to think about.

                                I am all for posting ALL chart positions each week, however many there are. This is history !! We need to see each record that appeared on any dealer chart, and give it its historical recognition. There is precedent for this already. If yall will recall, the BMRB album chart varied pretty much each week over 1970: first as a Top 20, but then total chaos, ha: as a Top 58+/-, then 47, 59, 60+/-, then 70+/-, back down to a 57+/-, before settling on a Top 50 in Jan 1971. Eventually expanding more in the years to come.

                                But I do appreciate those who prefer a nice and tidy fixed number of positions each week. So for those that prefer a constant Top 50 (or whatever) each week, just pretend that's what you're looking at, ha. Lop off the lower positions in your mind, or, perhaps Brian can just separate the Top 50 from the all lower positions, a 2 part chart. This will satisfy everyone's needs, and keep all of history alive.

                                From the little work I did on this years ago, there will be many ties at the low end. If Brian is dealing with 60 dealer charts, it's possible that 1/4 of the charts or more could have 1 record each that did not appear on any of the other charts. Thus these records will appear at the bottom of Brian's compiled RM chart, tied with many others in the same situation. But again, this is history, it needs to be recorded.

                                Also glad that Brian will redo the 1954/55 charts as well. Expand expand expand !!

                                I am also in favor of KEEPING the original RM 54/55 thread, and letting Brian create a new thread for 54/61. Even though Brian is producing better expanded charts, there are so many important comments and questions and history in that original thread that will be lost. Do any of you think it's OK to delete an old Alan Smith or Dave Taylor thread? Absolutely not, these comments and knowledge provided by so many others is vital to our chart understandings. It's better to re-title the old thread to distinguish it from the upcoming new thread than to delete it from our history.

                                As whether to add NME positions in an extra side column (and possibly others as they appear in history?), that would be super groovy, if Brian wanted to swing that, and it's not too much extra work for him.

                                Thanks again for all you're doing Brian, this is monumental historical stuff !!!

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                                • Oh lots more interesting stuff from Robin in there to add to what I already have from you other guys to help me shape these RM historical dealer charts. This is shaping up nicely folks. Thanks again.
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                                  • Just wondered what track was originally at 20 in the published RM chart for November 28th (as it would've been used for the BBC chart calculations though it doesn't appear to be affecting the results as adjusting the known numbers gives the same result)?

                                    If the BBC had taken into account Tean Beat - Sandy Nelson, then it would have been:
                                    10 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson
                                    11 Mr. Blue - Mike Preston
                                    12 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson
                                    13 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons
                                    14 Broken- Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan
                                    15 Snow Coach - Russ Conway
                                    15 The Three Bells - The Browns
                                    17 Poison Ivy - The Coasters
                                    18 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine
                                    19 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway
                                    19 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale



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                                    • As Robin says, it may be best to list all of the records. The readers can edit the listings as they see fit if they want to make it a specific number but you'll be assigning a position to records that others may not have known existed.
                                      I'd rank the records as you calculate them rather than using the RM chart and building off that.
                                      I look forward to this new project/expansion of a prior project (and agree that the old thread should be kept) and completely understand that it will take time to get the data as things are currently.

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                                      • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                                        Just wondered what track was originally at 20 in the published RM chart for November 28th
                                        Two new entries tied for the original number 20: Heartaches By The Number (Guy Mitchell) and Little Donkey (Beverly Sisters). The former is now 17, as you can see, and the latter fell away then reappeared on their 26-Dec chart.

                                        Personally I think that when a (what turns out to be) 21 position has been published it might as well be included in a composite, as all information is useful. But we had this discussion last time it happened, and of course it doesn't make much difference.

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                                        • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post

                                          I am all for posting ALL chart positions each week, however many there are. This is history !! We need to see each record that appeared on any dealer chart, and give it its historical recognition. There is precedent for this already. If yall will recall, the BMRB album chart varied pretty much each week over 1970: first as a Top 20, but then total chaos, ha: as a Top 58+/-, then 47, 59, 60+/-, then 70+/-, back down to a 57+/-, before settling on a Top 50 in Jan 1971. Eventually expanding more in the years to come.

                                          But I do appreciate those who prefer a nice and tidy fixed number of positions each week. So for those that prefer a constant Top 50 (or whatever) each week, just pretend that's what you're looking at, ha. Lop off the lower positions in your mind, or, perhaps Brian can just separate the Top 50 from the all lower positions, a 2 part chart. This will satisfy everyone's needs, and keep all of history alive.

                                          I'd agree with this.

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                                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                                            Two new entries tied for the original number 20: Heartaches By The Number (Guy Mitchell) and Little Donkey (Beverly Sisters). The former is now 17, as you can see, and the latter fell away then reappeared on their 26-Dec chart.

                                            Personally I think that when a (what turns out to be) 21 position has been published it might as well be included in a composite, as all information is useful. But we had this discussion last time it happened, and of course it doesn't make much difference.
                                            Thanks Splodj for confirming the originally posted number 20 positions. Assigning them both a position of 21 for RM would have placed Little Donkey on 1200 at 23 (instead of 28) and Heartaches By The Number on 975 at 25 (instead of 30).

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                                            • The performer of "Ivy Will Cling" is Arnold Stang. I couldn't find a copy of the Record Mirror chart, but the record label had his name spelled correctly, at least. He was most famous for voicing Top Cat on the cartoon of the same name.

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                                              • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

                                                Thanks Splodj for confirming the originally posted number 20 positions. Assigning them both a position of 21 for RM would have placed Little Donkey on 1200 at 23 (instead of 28) and Heartaches By The Number on 975 at 25 (instead of 30).
                                                But. Just because the omission demonstrated that RM had two records downgraded to #21 doesn't mean they should be included for knowing this position. It would be unfair to Disc and MM to amend the chart rule for one week to accommodate this.All three need to be treated equally. No record below 20 was considered for them at this time as #21 didnt exist for RM, MM, Disc and consistency is important.
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                                                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

                                                  But. Just because the omission demonstrated that RM had two records downgraded to #21 doesn't mean they should be included for knowing this position. It would be unfair to Disc and MM to amend the chart rule for one week to accommodate this.All three need to be treated equally. No record below 20 was considered for them at this time as #21 didnt exist for RM, MM, Disc at this time so consistency is important.
                                                  Agreed. I was just providing an indication of what it would've have looked like if it had been included. I don't think you should include any outliers that become apparent due to publishing errors. Consistency is important as you state.

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                                                  • I believe it would be consistent to include 21s as it would be applied equally to any chart when they revealed it, and last time was applicable to Disc, but that is just my opinion and I can understand the other point of view.

                                                    According to Discogs 'Ivy Will Cling' by Arnold Stang was the B-side, so I wonder if it was flipped.

                                                    This is an interesting week at the top because the MM and Disc number one prevails, despite their lower weighting. Looks like.we are in for an epic battle between two songs, the title of one being the first four words of the other!

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