| The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 27th 1965 | NME | MM | DISC | RR | Total | |||||||
| Last | This | The Sound Survey | Stores | 200 | 250 | 100 | 85 | Points | ||||
| Week | Week | The Top 30 Singles Chart | BBC | TOP | 30 | Scored | ||||||
| 1 | 1 | The Last Time - The Rolling Stones | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 19050 | ||||
| 2 | 2 | It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones | 2= | 3 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 18115 | ||||
| 3 | 3 | Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits | 2= | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 18080 | ||||
| 7 | 4 | Goodbye My Love - The Searchers | 4= | 5 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 16760 | ||||
| 4 | 5 | Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull | 4= | 4 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 16395 | ||||
| 5 | 6 | I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 15875 | ||||
| 14 | 7 | Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 | 7 | 7 | 5 | 8 | 8 | 15555 | ||||
| 6 | 8 | I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw | 8 | 8 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 14790 | ||||
| 20 | 9 | The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 13535 | ||||
| 8 | 10 | I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney | 10 | 14 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 12970 | ||||
| 10 | 11 | Yes I Will - The Hollies | 11 | 13 | 11 | 12 | 11 | 12200 | ||||
| 12 | 12 | Honey I Need - The Pretty Things | 14 | 10 | 12 | 17 | 18 | 11455 | ||||
| 28 | 13 | For Your Love - The Yardbirds | 12 | 12 | 16 | 11 | 13 | 11080 | ||||
| 11 | 14 | I Apologise - P J Proby | 13 | 17 | 13 | 14 | 12 | 10615 | ||||
| 9 | 15 | The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders | 15 | 15 | 14 | 15 | 14 | 10495 | ||||
| NEW | 16 | Catch The Wind - Donovan | 16 | 11 | 15 | 16 | 22 | 10265 | ||||
| 23 | 17 | I Can't Explain - The Who | 17 | 18 | 17 | 18 | 15 | 8760 | ||||
| 18 | 18 | I Know A Place - Petula Clark | 18 | 19 | 19 | 19 | 17 | 7790 | ||||
| 24 | 19 | You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith | 19 | 16 | 24 | 13 | 23 | 7230 | ||||
| 13 | 20 | Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals | 20 | 23 | 21 | 20 | 19 | 6220 | ||||
| 19 | 21 | In The Meantime - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames | 22 | 20 | 22 | 22 | 24 | 5945 | ||||
| 22 | 22 | Do The Clam - Elvis Presley | 21 | 22 | 23 | 21 | 20 | 5735 | ||||
| 15 | 23 | Goodnight - Roy Orbison | 23 | 18 | 23 | 21 | 4900 | |||||
| 17 | 24 | The Special Years - Val Doonican | 24 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 4325 | |||||
| NEW | 25 | The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan | 25 | 21 | 25 | 2600 | ||||||
| 16 | 26 | Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League | 26 | 25 | 26 | 1925 | ||||||
| NEW | 27 | Here Comes The Night - Them | 25 | 26 | 1700 | |||||||
| 29 | 28 | She's Lost You - The Zephyrs | 23 | 1600 | ||||||||
| 21 | 29 | Mary Anne - The Shadows | 28= | 26 | 27 | 1590 | ||||||
| 25 | 30 | A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton | 27 | 27 | 25 | 1510 | ||||||
| Stop In The Name Of Love - The Supremes | 25 | 30 | 1300 | |||||||||
| Reelin' And Rockin' - The Dave Clark Five | 30 | 30 | 29 | 29 | 28 | 1155 | ||||||
| I'll Be There - Gerry and The Pacemakers | 28= | 29 | 24 | 1100 | ||||||||
| Golden Lights - Twinkle | 28 | 30 | 835 | |||||||||
| Find My Way Back Home - The Nashville Teens | 27 | 800 | ||||||||||
| Little Things - Dave Berry | 28 | 600 | ||||||||||
| It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves | 30 | 29 | 420 | |||||||||
| King Of The Road - Roger Miller | 27 | 400 | ||||||||||
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 27th March 1965.
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 20th March 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 20th 1965 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 1 19050 2 2 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 2 2 2 2 2 18415 4 3 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 3 3 3 3 3 17780 6 4 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 4= 5 4 4 5 16860 3 5 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 4= 4 5 5 4 16795 5 6 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 6 6 6 6 8 15705 12 7 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 7 7 7 7 6 15325 8 8 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 8 9 8 8 7 14490 7 9 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 9 8 9 9 10 14085 10 10 Yes I Will - The Hollies 10 10 10 10 9 13420 14 11 I Apologise - P J Proby 11 12 11 13 11 12300 16 12 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 12 11 12 12 13 12180 9 13 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 13 13 13 11 12 11715 23 14 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 15 14 16 15 18 9855 15 15 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 14 20 14 14 14 9595 11 16 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 16= 22 15 18 17 8290 13 17 The Special Years - Val Doonican 16= 21 17 19 15 8060 25 18 I Know A Place - Petula Clark 19 16 18 22 21 8000 19 19 In The Meantime - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 18 17 20 17 22 7715 NEW 20 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 20 15 21 16 26 7625 20 21 Mary Anne - The Shadows 21 25 19 20 20 6235 NEW 22 Do The Clam - Elvis Presley 22 19 26 23 19 5470 29 23 I Can't Explain - The Who 23 23 25 21 23 4780 27 24 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 26 17 29 24 4000 26 25 A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 24= 27 23 26 24 3895 17 26 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 24= 22 16 3525 18 27 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 27 24 25 2260 NEW 28 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 28 26 25 1600 30 29 She's Lost You - The Zephyrs 30 24 1400 22 30 Golden Lights - Twinkle 29 28 29 28 1205 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 27 29 1170 Catch The Wind - Donovan 29 28 700 Reelin' And Rockin' - The Dave Clark Five 30 27 30 685 I Don't Want To Go On Without You - The Moody Blues 28 600 The 'In' Crowd - Dobie Gray 30 27 590 King Of The Road - Roger Miller 30 100 Leave a comment:
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That sounds like a plan Robin, I will include that info from the next chart to be posted shortly.
I am usually a few compiled charts ahead of posting in order that I can post daily. To intrigue you in advance, in a few weeks time for the first time the No 1 single is going to differ from that compiled by the BBC !!Leave a comment:
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Another week where the BBC invoked their #1 rule (because of Record Retailer being out of kilter), but Brian didn't have to...
Brian a thought: how about adding your # of dealers to the table, like under NME put 200, MM 250, Disc 100, RR 85? Cheerz!Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Sat July 18, 2020, 15:34.Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 13th March 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 13th 1965 BBC NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 16 1 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 6 18625 1 2 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 2 2 2 2 1 18500 2 3 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 3 3 4 3 2 17615 4 4 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 4 4 3 4 3 17480 7 5 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 5 5 5 5 4 16595 8 6 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 6 7 6 6 7 15590 3 7 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 7 6 8 8 5 15260 6 8 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 8 9 7 7 9 14670 5 9 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 9 8 11 10 8 13655 11 10 Yes I Will - The Hollies 10 11 9 9 10 13485 9 11 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 11 12 10 11 11 12750 30 12 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 12 10 15 12 13 11630 10 13 The Special Years - Val Doonican 13 15 13 13 12 11115 18 14 I Apologise - P J Proby 15 13 14 15 16 10725 14 15 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 14 17 12 14 14 10695 20 16 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 16 14 19 16 19 8920 13 17 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 17 18 17 17 17 8690 12 18 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 18 20 18 19 15 8010 22 19 In The Meantime - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 19 16 20 18 24 7645 19 20 Mary Anne - The Shadows 20 20 21 20 18 6905 17 21 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 21 16 21 20 5685 21 22 Golden Lights - Twinkle 22 26 23 26 21 4350 25 23 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 23= 22 25 24 27 4340 15 24 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 23= 22 23 22 3815 NEW 25 I Know A Place - Petula Clark 25 24 26 27 30 3135 23 26 A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 26= 24 30 23 2530 NEW 27 You're Breaking My Heart - Keely Smith 19 2400 NEW 28 The 'In' Crowd - Dobie Gray 26= 27 28 28 25 2360 28 29 I Can't Explain - The Who 28 27 25 26 2025 NEW 30 She's Lost You - The Zephyrs 30= 23 1600 Do The Clam - Elvis Presley 29 28 22 1500 The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard 30= 25 29 1400 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 29 500 I Don't Want To Go On Without You - The Moody Blues 29 400 Stop Feeling Sorry For Yourself - Adam Faith 28 255 Can't You Hear My Heartbeat - Goldie and The Gingerbreads 30 250 For Your Love - The Yardbirds 30 200 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 29 170 Leave a comment:
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I think Radios Caroline and London played their part in bringing future hits to buyers attention but I think Radio Luxembourg played an even bigger part albeit they were a nights only service. Throughout the sixties it was Luxembourg myself and friends tuned into and every Sunday night I was in bed under the covers pretending I was sleeping listening to Luxembourgs Top 20 on my tiny transistor radio moving it around in frustration as the signal faded in and out.Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 6th March 1965.
The BBC made a mistake this week miscalculating Jim Reeves when his chart place should have been higher. I have not corrected the BBC Chart. It is posted as it was at the time.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 6th 1965 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 3 1 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 1 1 1 1 2 18965 1 2 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 2 2 2 2 1 18500 2 3 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 3 4 3 3 3 17580 11 4 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 4 3 4 4 4 17345 4 5 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 5 6 5 5 5 16310 10 6 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 6 7 6 6 6 15675 16 7 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 7 5 7 7 11 15300 14 8 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 8 9 8 8 9 14320 7 9 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 9 10 9 9 8 13855 6 10 The Special Years - Val Doonican 10 12 10 11 7 13090 13 11 Yes I Will - The Hollies 11 11 11 10 14 12545 5 12 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 12 14 12 12 10 11835 12 13 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 21 15 16 16 12 10065 15 14 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 13 16 15 15 15 9960 8 15 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 14 20 14 14 13 9680 NEW 16 The Last Time - The Rolling Stones 18 8 17 17 9500 9 17 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 15 22 13 13 16 9375 25 18 I Apologise - P J Proby 16 13 19 19 18 8905 19 19 Mary Anne - The Shadows 17 17 18 18 17 8540 27 20 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 19 18 20 20 21 7300 24 21 Golden Lights - Twinkle 20 21 22 21 22 6015 NEW 22 In The Meantime - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 24 19 25 23 4700 28 23 A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 23 25 23 24 24 4495 17 24 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 22 21 22 19 4420 NEW 25 Concrete And Clay - Unit 4 + 2 25 23 27 25 3200 18 26 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 26 24 20 2685 22 27 Stop Feeling Sorry For Yourself - Adam Faith 27 30 28 28 23 1930 NEW 28 I Can't Explain - The Who 28= 26 30 26 1750 20 29 Go Now - The Moody Blues 30 26 27 1590 NEW 30 Goodbye My Love - The Searchers 24 1400 Can't You Hear My Heartbeat - Goldie and The Gingerbreads 28= 28 29 25 1310 The 'In' Crowd - Dobie Gray 26 28 1255 Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las 29 30 26 1025 Digging My Potatoes - Heinz 29 400 Hawaii Tattoo - The Waikikis 27 400 Someone Must Have Hurt You A Lot - Frankie Vaughan 30 200 Baby Please Don't Go - Them 29 170 Paper Tiger - Sue Thompson 30 85 Leave a comment:
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 27th February 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 27th 1965 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 1 1 I'LL Never Find Another You - The Seekers 1 1 1 1 1 19050 5 2 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 2 3 2 2 2 18215 14 3 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 4 2 3 3 10 17385 6 4 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 3 4 4 4 3 17230 2 5 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 5 5 5 5 5 16510 7 6 The Special Years - Val Doonican 6 7 6 6 7 15590 8 7 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 8 6 7 8 9 15170 3 8 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 7 9 8 7 4 14845 4 9 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 9 11 9 9 6 13825 19 10 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 10 8 11 10 11 13400 26 11 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 11 10 13 11 13 12230 10 12 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 12 13 12 14 8 12005 16 13 Yes I Will - The Hollies 13 16 10 13 12 11665 23 14 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 14 12 14 12 15 11310 13 15 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 15 15 15 16 14 10145 29 16 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 16 14 16 15 17 9940 9 17 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 17 17 17 17 16 8975 12 18 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 18 21 18 18 19 7570 20 19 Mary Anne - The Shadows 19 19 19 19 20 7535 11 20 Go Now - The Moody Blues 20 20 20 20 18 7155 15 21 Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las 21 22 21 21 23 5980 NEW 22 Stop Feeling Sorry For Yourself - Adam Faith 22 24 23 24 24 4695 18 23 Baby Please Don't Go - Them 23 22 23 21 3900 NEW 24 Golden Lights - Twinkle 24 24 26 22 3550 NEW 25 I Apologise - P J Proby 25 22 27 27 3200 17 26 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - Cilla Black 27 25 25 22 2865 30 27 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 26 18 30 2700 NEW 28 A Windmill In Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 28= 24 29 1920 NEW 29 Your Hurtin' Kinda Love - Dusty Springfield 30= 26 28 1300 22 30 Ferry Cross The Mersey - Gerry and The Pacemakers 28= 28 25 1260 I Can't Explain - The Who 30= 28 26 1100 The 'In' Crowd - Dobie Gray 27 800 Terry - Twinkle 29 28 755 I'm Lost Without You - Billy Fury 30 26 675 Can't You Hear My Heartbeat - Goldie and The Gingerbreads 29 29 600 Yeh Yeh - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 27 340 Paper Tiger - Sue Thompson 30 200 The Three Bells - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 30 85 Leave a comment:
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Yeah Graham, considering it takes around 1.5 hours per chart as it is, and I work 2 days a week again after I retired, it will take months as it is to work through all the years, as I eventually want to cover every chart from 1956 when MM joined RM and NME, until Feb 1969, and hopefully go beyond that too to show how an averaged chart would have looked in comparison to BMRB's attempt.
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Interestingly enough Record Retailer itself did some comparison charts with their chart and all the pirate stations. These can be found on the sites what cover the pirate stations.
I agree with you Brian it would make the thing messy as well as lots more work to do!
I also came upon this in the TV Pop Diaries website. A great site if you want to see what pop music was on TV any year.
Link to website:Thursday 24th August 1967
BBC1 Top Of The Pops 7:30 - 8:00 pm
Hosted by Pete Murray
NB The show's chart run down would now be based on a combined New Musical Express / Melody Maker / Record Retailer chart. The show had previously used the Disc & Music Echo chart.
http://www.tvpopdiaries.co.uk/1967.html
The Disc paper at this time stop doing their own chart and used Melody Maker's instead.Leave a comment:
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I hear what you all say guys and totally respect your views, but, I want to keep the Ultimate Chart true to its original roots, the main and consistent charts of the day. Adding others just for information detracts from the focus of the thread. All the other charts were transitory coming and going in a short period time. I'm not saying they were not interesting, all charts to me are as a chart freak, but I want to keep the thread focused and not diluted.
Your comments are always welcome and interesting though so keep them coming. On that subject it would be good to hear your views on the charts I post.
Brian
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At this time the Radio London chart was compiled by the senior dj.
Kenny Everett told the story of when he was disappointed not to see 'Concrete and Clay' in the chart. In those early pre-payola months the senior dj Tony Windsor had a policy of compiling the chart in private to avoid lobbying from djs who may have been paid to promote certain records. Everett begged him to listen to the record again and reconsider, and the chart was changed so that it entered at 31 - as shown in Graham's post above. Of course we will never know how it would have fared without this promotion.
In a later interview Windsor said that he was proud of his predictive abilities and claimed he missed only two number ones. The first was 'Where are you now (my love)?' which he put up to 2 and then had fall, and was too embarrassed to put back up to 1. The other was 'Tears' which he said he didn't like. However I think he also missed others that he forgot.
Due to the arbitrary nature of the pirate charts I do not think they should be displayed with the Ultimate. But in 1966 I did enjoy seeing them in Music Echo which, together with their own 100 and the USA listings, made them the chartiest music paper!
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! I've been working again today but here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 20th February 1965.
Was the Radio London chart based on airplay ?
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 20th 1965 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 4 1 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 1 1 1 1 2 18965 1 2 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 2 2 2 2 1 18500 2 3 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 3 3 3 3 3 17780 3 4 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 5 5 4 5 4 16845 9 5 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 4 4 5 4 5 16810 10 6 Don't Let Me Me Misunderstood - The Animals 6 6 6 6 6 15875 7 7 The Special Years - Val Doonican 7 7 7 7 7 15240 13 8 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 8 8 8 8 9 14520 6 9 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 9 11 9 9 8 13655 16 10 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 10 9 10 10 11 13450 5 11 Go Now - The Moody Blues 11 12 11 11 10 12585 8 12 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 12 14 12 12 12 11665 30 13 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 13 13 15 14 17 10490 24 14 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 14 10 18 13 19 10270 14 15 Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las 15 18 14 15 14 9895 21 16 Yes I Will - The Hollies 16 16 16 17 15 9510 11 17 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - Cilla Black 17 20 13 19 13 9430 12 18 Baby Please Don't Go - Them 18 19 17 18 16 8475 NEW 19 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 19 15 19 16 24 8295 28 20 Mary Anne - The Shadows 20 17 23 20 25 6410 15 21 Terry - Twinkle 23= 26 20 25 22 5115 19 22 Ferry Cross The Mersey - Gerry and The Pacemakers 21 27 22 22 18 5055 NEW 23 Come And Stay With Me - Marianne Faithfull 23= 21 25 21 26 4925 20 24 I'm Lost Without You - Billy Fury 22 24 24 23 20 4885 17 25 The Three Bells - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 25 29 21 28 23 3880 NEW 26 Silhouettes - Herman's Hermits 27 22 27 24 3500 18 27 Yeh Yeh - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 26 28 28 26 21 2700 23 28 What In The World's Come Over You - The Rockin' Berries 28 30 26 28 1705 NEW 29 I'll Stop At Nothing - Sandie Shaw 29 23 1600 NEW 30 Honey I Need - The Pretty Things 30= 25 1200 Stop Feeling Sorry For Yourself - Adam Faith 30= 29 27 900 Dance Dance Dance - The Beach Boys 27 340 A Windmill On Old Amsterdam - Ronnie Hilton 30 30 335 Golden Lights - Twinkle 30 200 Your Hurtin' Kinda Love - Dusty Springfield 29 200 Somewhere - P J Proby 29 170 Paper Tiger - Sue Thompson 30 100 Leave a comment:
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There's no chance of the Caroline charts till September 1965.
But the Radio London is good
Here's the chart after Mr Tibs last chart you can compare with the next one.
Sunday 14th Feb 1965
2 1 Tired Of Waiting For You Kinks
7 2 I'll Never Find Another You Seekers
4 3 Keep Searchin' (We'll Follow The Sun) Del Shannon
9 4 The Game Of Love Wayne Fontana & the Mindbenders
23 5 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood Animals
8 6 The Special Years Val Doonican
1 7 Come Tomorrow Manfred Mann
16 8 Funny How Love Can Be Ivy League
29 9 It's Not Unusual Tom Jones
24 10 It Hurts So Much Jim Reeves
3 11 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' Righteous Brothers
27 12 Stop Feeling Sorry For Yourself Adam Faith
6 13 Baby Please Don't Go Them
18 14 Yes I Will Hollies
14 15 Come See About Me Supremes
37 16 I Must Be Seeing Things Gene Pitney
10 17 Go Now! Moody Blues
– 18 Your Hurtin' Kinda Love Dusty Springfield
– 19 Goodnight Roy Orbison
– 20 Mary Anne Shadows
28 21 The Name Game Shirley Ellis
40 22 Hawaii Tattoo Waikikis
31 23 The 'In' Crowd Dobie Gray
– 24 Silhouettes Herman's Hermits
5 25 Leader Of The Pack Shangri-Las
– 26 I'll Stop At Nothing Sandie Shaw
21 27 Paper Tiger Sue Thompson
35 28 Let The Sunshine In Peddlers / Presidents
– 29 I Cry Alone Jackie Lee
12 30 Getting Mighty Crowded Betty Everett
– 31 Concrete And Clay Unit 4 + 2
13 32 Promised Land Chuck Berry
38 33 Last Time You'll Walk Out On Me Mike Hurst
– 34 Come And Stay With Me Marianne Faithfull
25 35 What In The World's Come Over You Rockin' Berries
36 36 Shake Sam Cooke
– 37 Tell Her No Zombies
– 38 Diggin' My Potatoes Heinz
– 39 Can't You Hear My Heartbeat Goldie & the Gingerbreads
– 40 Hold What You've Got Joe Tex
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Hello
MrTibbs keep on keeping on – this is fascinating.
A suggestion, as we are now in the pirate radio era: can you list either the Radio London or Radio Caroline chart positions for the relevant chart week? – not, I hasten to add, to include within the calculation of the Re-Imagined Chart, but by way of comparison. By spring of ’65, I contend they were possibly influencing the public’s buying habits, and speeding up the sales chart.
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Your both right I was getting the record mixed up.Originally posted by setg1 View Post
The Real Chart doesn't deal in labels, so any imports are included in the sales. That's why there's a lot re-entries in it. I don't always know why a record with these modest levels turn into big hits on the Chart. It's often down to them being featured on a TV show. Sometimes it's being on the US charts. Nearly all the Music Papers carried some part of one of them. I suspect this one might have been on the Pirate charts and airplay. I don't know for certain, since the early charts for 1964 are missing.
The only time I know that any record is an import is when it never got released in the UK. The earliest one of them is Frankie Laine - Mule Train in 1950, which even spent a single week at the the top. But it spent only a short time in the top 40.
Though myself am guilty of placing a lot of strength in the amount of "owns" on 45 Cat and the other site. Both have flaws. You will find "official" million sellers with less than 100 owns. Even in the 1965 sample (I did) one record reached number 2 on just 55 owns.
In fact I will post the results here of the 1965 most owns. Each red number is a RR chart hit. And the 50 is where each one reached. Ignore the first numbers in 2 column, 4th column numbers are my estimates of owns needed to reach that position. The fifth has all the records and owns.
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 13th February 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 13th 1965 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 2 1 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 1 1 1 1 2 18965 1 2 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 2 2 2 2 1 18500 5 3 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 3 4 3 4 3 17480 11 4 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 4 3 4 3 5 17360 3 5 Go Now - The Moody Blues 5 5 5 5 4 16595 4 6 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 6 8 6 6 6 15475 12 7 The Special Years - Val Doonican 7 7 7 7 7 15240 7 8 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 8 10 8 8 8 14205 20 9 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 9 6 9 9 14 14145 24 10 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 11 8 12 11 13 12880 6 11 You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin' - Cilla Black 10 13 11 10 9 12570 8 12 Baby Please Don't Go - Them 12 14 10 12 10 12335 26 13 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 13= 11 15 13 19 10820 17 14 Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las 13= 15 14 18 11 10450 9 15 Terry - Twinkle 15 17 13 15 17 10090 28 16 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 16 12 20 14 20 9185 15 17 The Three Bells - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 19 18 16 17 21 8600 10 18 Yeh Yeh - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 17 20 17 16 15 8560 13 19 Ferry Cross The Mersey - Gerry and The Pacemakers 18 19 18 19 12 8465 16 20 I'm Lost Without You - Billy Fury 20 22 19 20 16 7175 23 21 Yes I Will - The Hollies 22 16 22 22 22 6915 14 22 Girl Don't Come - Sandie Shaw 21 23 21 21 18 6205 22 23 What In The World's Come Over You - The Rockin' Berries 23 23 23 28 23 4580 NEW 24 It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones 25 21 23 2800 19 25 I Feel Fine - The Beatles 24 25 24 25 2710 18 26 Somewhere - P J Proby 27 24 30 24 2445 RE 27 Dance Dance Dance - The Beach Boys 26 28 28 26 26 2275 NEW 28 Mary Anne - The Shadows 28 25 25 1800 27 29 Getting Mighty Crowded - Betty Everett 29= 26 29 29 1700 NEW 30 Goodnight - Roy Orbison 29= 27 30 27 1450 Downtown - Petula Clark 26 29 1420 Walk Tall - Val Doonican 27 28 1255 Come See About Me - The Supremes 30 27 540 I Must Be Seeing Things - Gene Pitney 29 400 I Could Easily Fall - Cliff Richard 30 85 Leave a comment:
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The only Ruby and the Romantics song I could find appearing on the Record Retailer chart was "Our Day Will Come".Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
https://www.officialcharts.com/artis...the-romantics/
Your post mentioned another one of their songs, which was also the record I was talking about. According to the OCC database, that one only charted in later versions by the Marvelettes and the Flying Pickets.
http://www.45cat.com/record/hlr9935Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
It does have 10 owners on 45cat (more than on Discogs), though it's impossible to say exactly which version they own (since 45cat combines the promo single and the commercially released one into the same listing).
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Graham I think you got mixed up with the title there, the No 38 position in RR refers to Our Day Will Come in 1963, but I think in your earlier post you were referring to When You're Young And In Love in December 1964 and I don't see this in either RR or MM positions 31 - 50. I believe that that was the record that Setj was referring to in his comment above re sales.Leave a comment:
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Most of these collecting sites will show more owns for promo copies as these only went on to radio stations etc and were not for sale to the public. Therefore making them more valuable. -
You do need to check your facts before assuming something. Ruby was in the Record Retailer Chart and made no 38.Originally posted by setg1 View Post
On 45 Cat the record has 61 owns.
I did at one time do a full list of all the new release singles on 45 Cat for 1965 in the UK. I also did a check list of what a record got in the top 50 and the number of owns.
I will show you the typical averages for the top 50 slots and about what the ownership levels were.
This is for 1965 only.
50 to 47 - 14
46 to 41 - 19
40 to 28 - 20
27 to 24 - 21-28
23 to 21 - 29
20 to 18 - 30-36
17 & 16 - 37
15 - 39
14 - 42
13 - 47
12 & 11 - 53
10 to 7 - 54-56
6 - 58
5 - 59 to 66
4 - 67
3 - 70
2 - 74
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Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 30 for Week Ending 6th February 1965.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 6th 1965 BBC NME MM Disc RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Chart Chart Chart Chart Chart Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart Number Of Chart Positions 30 Scored 2 1 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers 1 1 1 1 1 19050 5 2 Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks 2 2 2 2 2 18415 1 3 Go Now - The Moody Blues 3 3 3 3 3 17780 4 4 Come Tomorrow - Manfred Mann 4 5 4 4 4 16945 11 5 Keep Searchin' - Del Shannon 5 4 6 5 6 16375 3 6 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - Cilla Black 6 7 5 6 5 16010 7 7 Cast Your Fate To The Wind - Sounds Orchestral 7 6 7 7 7 15440 12 8 Baby Please Don't Go - Them 10 10 8 11 11 13650 8 9 Terry - Twinkle 8 11 9 8 10 13585 6 10 Yeh Yeh - Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames 9 12 10 9 8 13205 21 11 I'll Never Find Another You - The Seekers 13 9 12 14 14 12295 17 12 The Special Years - Val Doonican 11 8 14 12 13 12280 10 13 Ferry Cross The Mersey - Gerry and The Pacemakers 12 13 13 10 12 11815 9 14 Girl Don't Come - Sandie Shaw 14 16 11 13 9 11670 16 15 The Three Bells - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes 15 17 17 15 17 9090 19 16 I'm Lost Without You - Billy Fury 16 20 15 16 16 8975 18 17 Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las 17 15 18 17 18 8955 14 18 Somewhere - P J Proby 18 27 16 21 15 6910 13 19 I Feel Fine - The Beatles 19 23 21 18 19 6420 NEW 20 The Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders 20 18 24 19 27 5890 15 21 Downtown - Petula Clark 21= 26 19 26 20 5435 24 22 What In The World's Come Over You - The Rockin' Berries 21= 21 23 24 23 5380 NEW 23 Yes I Will - The Hollies 23 22 22 25 25 5160 NEW 24 Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood - The Animals 24 14 20 4500 20 25 Walk Tall - Val Doonican 25 20 27 22 3915 NEW 26 Funny How Love Can Be - The Ivy League 26 19 23 3200 25 27 Getting Mighty Crowded - Betty Everett 27= 25 25 28 30 3085 NEW 28 It Hurts So Much - Jim Reeves 27= 24 22 2300 22 29 I Could Easily Fall - Cliff Richard 29 27 30 21 1950 NEW 30 Come See About Me - The Supremes 28 28 29 29 1720 No Arms Can Ever Hold You - The Bachelors 26 28 1505 Dance Dance Dance - The Beach Boys 30 29 29 24 1495 Promised Land - Chuck Berry 30 26 675 Tell Her No - The Zombies 30 200
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All the great female fifties singers did their apprenticeships with the big bands and had voice training and coaching. By the sixties singers male and female were just literally singing as best they knew and could without any training. I think Cilla Black's voice was powerful but totally untrained so just let fly. Having said that I think both Anyone and World were stunning singles.
Today's 'talent' need auto tune to even sing at all.Leave a comment:
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There's entire threads out there on the internet about whether or not Cilla Black could sing! I've just read one posted at Digital Spy in 2010 titled "Who told Cilla Black she could sing?" which is quite hilarious. The thread starter begins the post with "My mum had Gold on her car earlier, and this song came on, "You are My World" or something like that and dear god the voice sounded like a cat being strangled."Originally posted by Splodj View Post
I think it's fair to say Cilla's voice was something of an acquired taste... but yes, her voice could be grating when she started belting out a song. Interestingly Brian Epstein didn't rate her and, after she had performed an audition for Epstein, he was going to turn her down until John Lennon talked him into letting her do a second audition and then talked him into signing her. Definitely a case of being in the right place (the cloakroom attendant at the Cavern Club) at the right time (when The Beatles were regular performers).Last edited by Robbie; Wed July 15, 2020, 10:26.Leave a comment:
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I prefer the musical arrangement of Anyone Who Had A Heart on Cilla's version, but find Cilla's voice too grating in the loud bits.
Similarly with You're My World. I reckon Martin did a better arrangement than the Italian original, but when she gets to "With your hand, resting in mine .. " I start to cringe.Leave a comment:
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