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  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 3rd December 1966 for your interest.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 3rd 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    1 2 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    2 3 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 3 3 3 3 3 17780
    4 4 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 4= 5 5 4 5 16610
    7 5 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 4= 4 6 5 4 16545
    10 6 My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces 7 6 4 9 8 15905
    6 7 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 6 7 7 6 6 15425
    13 8 Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 8 8 8 7 9 14620
    5 9 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 9 9 9 8 7 14240
    8 10 High Time - Paul Jones 10 12 10 12 10 12735
    17 11 Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 11 15 11 11 11 11900
    12 12 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 13 13 13 13 12 11515
    18 13 What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin 12 10 17 10 14 11245
    27 14 Morningtown Ride - The Seekers 15 11 12 21 18 10855
    28 15 Dead End Street - The Kinks 14 14 14 16 16 10425
    11 16 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 16 18 15 14 15 9660
    9 17 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 17 17 16 19 13 9280
    16 18 Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 19 21 18 17 20 7585
    20 19 A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 18 19 22 15 17 7440
    14 20 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 20 22 19 20 21 6750
    15 21 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 21 20 20 24 19 6670
    NEW 22 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes 22 16 23 18 29 6470
    25 23 White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers 23 29 21 22 25 4310
    21 24 Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 24 26 25 23 24 3895
    19 25 No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits 25 23 27 26 23 3780
    22 26 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 26 27 24 27 26 3375
    24 27 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 27 26 25 22 2615
    NEW 28 Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding 28 24 29 28 28 2455
    NEW 29 There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison 29 25 30 1300
    23 30 Time Drags By - Cliff Richard 30 28 27 1090
    Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw 28 30 29 1050
    Under New Management - The Barron Knights 30 200
    Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations 30 85

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    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
      Guys, as it has been proved (thanks to Splodj's discovery of the Pick Of The Pops radio show from the time) that the BBC manuscript for 26th October was an error in placing both The Troggs and Jim Reeves at joint #2 I have gone back to that BBC chart of 26th October on here and amended the BBC chart accordingly, placing The Troggs at #2 and Jim Reeves at #3, to ensure that an accurate record of all charts is maintained here.
      I am a bit confused. I see neither a chart dated October 26th (though I presume that is the BBC date for the w/e 29th chart) nor a broken tie of the Reeves and Troggs records.

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      • Apologies Bob. It should be October 29th. I made the change earlier but for some reason it didn't save. I have corrected this now. Thanks for getting back to me on this.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work. But wait no more !

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 10th December 1966 for your interest.
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 10th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
          5 2 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 2 2 2 2 3 18330
          2 3 Good Vibarations - The Beach Boys 3 3 3 3 2 17865
          6 4 My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces 4 4 4 4 4 17145
          3 5 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 5 6 6 5 5 16060
          8 6 Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 6 7 5 6 8 15755
          14 7 Morningtown Ride - The Seekers 7 5 7 9 6 15525
          15 8 Dead End Street - The Kinks 8 8 8 10 11 14150
          4 9 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 9 12 11 7 7 13240
          7 10 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 11= 11 9 12 10 13185
          11 11 Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 11= 10 10 13 9 13120
          13 12 What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin 10 9 12 8 12 13065
          22 13 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes 13 12 14 11 15 11410
          9 14 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 14 14 13 14 13 11130
          12 15 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 15 15 15 16 14 10145
          10 16 High Time - Paul Jones 16 19 16 15 16 9025
          NEW 17 If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley 17 20 18 20 20 7485
          29 18 There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison 20 16 21 21 26 6925
          17 19 Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 18= 26 17 19 19 6720
          16 20 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 18= 28 19 17 17 6190
          NEW 21 Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors 23= 18 24 24 30 5135
          NEW 22 Sunshine Superman - Donovan 23= 17 26 22 4950
          19 23 A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 21 24 25 23 18 4805
          23 24 White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers 25 27 20 21 4400
          28 25 Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding 22 21 30 18 23 4230
          27 26 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 26 22 22 3015
          18 27 Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals 30 23 27 24 2995
          NEW 28 Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 29 22 28 2100
          21 29 I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs 27 28 25 25 1860
          20 30 A Fool Am I - Cilla Black 28 27 26 27 1840
          Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw 25 29 1700
          I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas 23 1600
          It's Love - Ken Dodd 29 400
          Guantanamera - The Sandpipers 28 255
          East West - Herman's Hermits 30 200
          Dandy - The Rockin' Vickers 29 200
          Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 29 170
          Heart - Rita Pavone 30 100
          Last edited by MrTibbs; Thu September 24, 2020, 23:56.

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          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
            Dandy - Herman's Hermits
            I know doesn't make any difference to top 30 but this was 'The Rockin' Vickers'
            Keep the fire burning like the first time feeling

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            • Yup, Herman's Hermits version of 'Dandy' went to number 5 in Billboard but was not released in the UK.

              ​​​​

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              • Graham76man
                Graham76man commented
                Editing a comment
                They did actually release an EP in the UK of the song in February 1967.

            • Guys I've checked this out again with my copy of the Disc Top 50 and they definitely list it as by Herman's Hermits ?? Import sales ?
              Last edited by MrTibbs; Thu September 24, 2020, 23:02.

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              • It is listed as The Rockin' Vickers in the original Disc and Music Echo chart which you can see at 1960smusicmagazines.com.

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                • Yip, that confirms the copy i have is titled wrongly. I will amend guys thanks.

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                  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 17th December 1966 for your interest.

                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 17th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                    1 1 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                    2 2 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                    7 3 Morningtown Ride - The Seekers 3 3 3 3 3 17780
                    4 4 My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces 4 5 5 6 4 16495
                    3 5 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 5 4 6 9 5 16060
                    22 6 Sunshine Superman - Donovan 6= 7 4 5 13 15680
                    12 7 What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin 6= 6 9 4 10 14985
                    13 8 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes 9 7 8 8 9 14720
                    8 9 Dead End Street - The Kinks 8 10 7 7 7 14640
                    5 10 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 10= 9 12 10 8 13205
                    11 11 Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 10= 11 11 11 6 13125
                    6 12 Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 12 12 10 17 11 12150
                    9 13 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 13 15 13 13 12 11115
                    28 14 Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 15 14 14 16 17 10340
                    10 15 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 14 16 15 12 15 10260
                    17 16 If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley 16 13 18 15 16 9725
                    15 17 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 17 17 16 18 14 9295
                    14 18 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 18 24 17 14 18 7705
                    21 19 Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors 19 18 20 22 22 7015
                    18 20 There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison 21 22 19 25 19 6420
                    16 21 High Time - Paul Jones 20 23 22 19 20 5985
                    NEW 22 Under New Management - The Barron Knights 22 19 25 24 21 5450
                    NEW 23 Happy Jack - The Who 23 25 21 23 30 4585
                    25 24 Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding 26 26 26 21 27 3590
                    NEW 25 In The Country - Cliff Richard 27 20 20 3300
                    24 26 White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers 25 23 27 24 2995
                    20 27 If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 24 24 23 2430
                    NEW 28 Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield 28 21 29 2200
                    NEW 29 Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana 30 28 27 26 2100
                    26 30 Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 29 29 28 25 1310
                    Anyway That You Want Me - The Troggs 27 30 900
                    I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas 28 750
                    Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies 30 26 675
                    Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw 29 400
                    A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner 28 255
                    Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers 30 200
                    Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 29 170
                    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri September 25, 2020, 14:04.

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                    • Fortunately the charts I wrote down in the sixties now agree with the BBC charts. I don't know and don't recall why the initial weeks don't. As commented before I didn't catch then that there were many joint positions, but according to my scripts, there seem to no rules of playing order. On December 17th, the Easybeats were played before Spencer Davis and Donovan before Jimmy Ruffin.

                      Sixties music will always stand for me as outstanding, because it formed my life in music, and I will also look forward to your future lists. It helps keeping things alive.

                      Anders

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                      • The Easybeats and Spencer Davis both add up to 39 BBC points...

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                        • Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?
                          Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri September 25, 2020, 14:13.

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 24th December 1966 for your interest.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 24th 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                            3 2 Morningtown Ride - The Seekers 2 2 3 2 2 18165
                            6 3 Sunshine Superman - Donovan 4 4 2 4 4 17645
                            2 4 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 3 3 4 3 3 17530
                            8 5 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes 6 7 5 6 8 15755
                            9 6 Dead End Street - The Kinks 5 8 7 5 5 15410
                            7 7 What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin 7 6 6 7 12 15265
                            4 8 My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces 8 5 8 9 10 14935
                            14 9 Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 9 10 9 8 6 14125
                            11 10 Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 10 9 12 11 7 13190
                            5 11 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 11 12 11 10 9 12770
                            16 12 If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley 12 11 10 12 13 12680
                            25 13 In The Country - Cliff Richard 15 14 13 14 21 10450
                            10 14 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 13 15 16 13 11 10450
                            23 15 Happy Jack - The Who 14 13 15 16 17 10290
                            12 16 Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 16 16 14 17 16 9925
                            NEW 17 AnyWay That You Want me - The Troggs 18 17 17 21 25 7810
                            17 18 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 17 20 22 19 14 7095
                            19 19 Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors 23 17 19 25 23 7080
                            22 20 Under New Management - The Barron Knights 20= 19 21 20 20 6935
                            20 21 There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison 22 23 18 22 18 6855
                            13 22 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 20= 22 20 23 15 6710
                            15 23 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 18 21 23 15 19 6620
                            18 24 Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 24 26 25 18 22 4565
                            29 25 Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana 29 25 24 2950
                            28 26 Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield 25 24 28 24 2850
                            21 27 High Time - Paul Jones 26 27 26 24 1895
                            NEW 28 (I Know) I'm Losing You - The Temptations 30= 26 1250
                            NEW 29 Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers 30= 30 27 1200
                            NEW 30 Heart - Rita Pavona 30= 28 29 1100
                            Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding 28 29 29 27 940
                            Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 27 27 26 825
                            I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas 30= 28 29 470
                            If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin 28 255
                            Island In The Sun - The Righteous Brothers 30 250
                            Mustang Sally - Wilson Pickett 30 100
                            Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 30 85

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                            • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                              Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?
                              Yes indeed. This was a golden period for records so it will be fascinating to see how this develops.

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                              • Yes please - continue to 1969. Then 1960 to 1963. I like the side by side chart comparisons.
                                Many years ago I did a similar comparison for 1963.

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                                • On 1-Jan-67 POTP presented the cumulatively top scoring records of 1966, using the inverse points method.

                                  The Top 3 were:
                                  1. Distant Drums - 219 points
                                  2. Strangers In The Night - 185 points
                                  3. These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - 148 points

                                  The entire Top 20 is here ...
                                  https://www.mixcloud.com/terry-obrie...eview-of-1966/

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                                  • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                    Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?
                                    YES and YES !! If this is too much work Brian, maybe you could cut back to no more than 1 chart per day. We're not in a hurry, at 1 chart per day, over the next 1 year + 5 months = 10 years of weekly charts done. Plus it would give us more time to study each chart and comment back, maybe more total comments. Just a thought... Rock on...

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                                    • Let me put it this way. If it is as satisfying to yourself to go through these old charts as it appears to be to many of us, you'd never doubt that you are on the right track.
                                      I agree with Robin - you don't have to pace things, because the study of the single chart brings back so many treasured memories. I myself take time to find many of those tracks in my collection and play them again. So please continue...!

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                                      • I'm really happy to see all those comments guys because I'm just as keen to keep on producing these charts as you are to see them. This is not a laborious task for me compiling these charts it's a totally absorbing labour of love.

                                        I'm glad Robin and ACA raised the point on frequency. You will have noted some days I post one chart and other days 2, never sure how many a day you guys want to see, but it seems 1 is ideal as all of you comment how much you like to study and dissect them and can do this better with 1, so I will now do just that going forward.

                                        Don't worry about me not keeping up, it's not a problem I'm already way ahead and working on July 1967 so not a problem giving you a new chart everyday for your reading pleasure.

                                        I got asked in a message if it bothered me when guys picked me up on minor errors etc. My answer was no it doesn't , in fact I welcome it on the rare occasions it happens. It tells me guys are really interested in my charts and gives me the chance to correct retrospectively to ensure all charts are 100% accurate. That is my driving goal, so please continue to flag up any that still slip through my own checking procedures. I really do welcome this.

                                        Lastly, again, just to reassure you, after I get to Feb 1969 I will go back and compile 60 to 63 for you all where you will notice even more differences between March 60 and March 62 when RM and RR are added to the average for the first time ever (on their effective dates within this period).
                                        then 56 to 59.

                                        Groovy Stuff ! Brian.
                                        Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri September 25, 2020, 23:06.

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                                        • This is when Denys Jones took over compilation of the BBC chart, so there may be some changes in it's calculation policy.

                                          Looks like he did the 1966 year end 'points' chart in a burst of initial enthusiasm, and It was not attempted again. In the 3 succeeding years before an annual sales chart was possible they had a Top 3s show at the end of each year.

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                                          • Greetings Pop Pickers ! So, here is the last chart for 1966. A chart where Donovan would have been a much better No 1.

                                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 31st December 1966 for your interest.

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 31st 1966 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                            1 1 Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones 1 1 1 3 1 18850
                                            2 2 Morningtown Ride - The Seekers 2 2 3 1 4 18095
                                            3 3 Sunshine Superman - Donovan 3 4 2 2 2 18015
                                            4 4 What Would I Be - Val Doonican 4 3 5 4 6 16925
                                            5 5 You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes 5 5 4 6 10 16235
                                            9 6 Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 6 7 7 5 3 15780
                                            6 7 Dead End Street - The Kinks 7 8 6 7 5 15460
                                            7 8 What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin 8 6 9 9 8 14655
                                            12 9 If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley 9 11 8 8 9 13920
                                            15 10 Happy Jack - The Who 10= 9 11 12 13 12830
                                            13 11 In The Country - Cliff Richard 10= 12 10 10 17 12340
                                            8 12 My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces 12 10 12 11 15 12310
                                            10 13 Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats 13 12 13 13 7 12140
                                            11 14 Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys 14= 15 15 14 11 10600
                                            17 15 Anyway That You Want Me - The Troggs 14= 14 14 16 19 10170
                                            20 16 Under New Management - The Barron Knights 16 16 16 18 20 8985
                                            14 17 Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group 17 17 19 15 25 7910
                                            19 18 Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors 18= 18 18 19 21 7900
                                            16 19 Just One Smile - Gene Pitney 18= 19 17 20 26 7425
                                            21 20 There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison 21 25 20 17 12 6965
                                            25 21 Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana 20 21 21 24 23 5880
                                            18 22 Distant Drums - Jim Reeves 22 20 25 23 16 5775
                                            23 23 Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey 25 22 27 25 14 4845
                                            26 24 Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield 23 24 26 21 3650
                                            22 25 Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann 26 23 23 3600
                                            28 26 (I Know) I'm Losing You - The Temptations 24 27 24 22 3450
                                            29 27 Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers 27 30 22 26 2950
                                            NEW 28 Sitting In The Park - Georgie Fame 29 18 1505
                                            27 29 High Time - Paul Jones 28 26 28 1255
                                            NEW 30 Island In The Sun - The Righteous Brothers 29 24 1095
                                            I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas 30= 28 22 1065
                                            Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops 28 30 850
                                            Heart - Rita Pavone 30= 28 750
                                            I Feel Free - Cream 29 27 540
                                            Mustang Sally - Wilson Pickett 29 27 400
                                            Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 29 170
                                            Progress - The Pretty Things 30 100
                                            Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding 30 85

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                                            • Please keep going. I am really enjoying this thread. I would also like to see you go to the end of 1969 before going back to 1960. Thanks for all the hard work so far.

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                                              • From looking at the tied positions the BBC chart for 31/12/66 appears not to have used the Record Retailer chart. The BBC also have two records tied at #18 but 'Just One Smile' from Gene Pitney should have been placed at number 19 which is where it is placed on the Ultimate Averaged Chart.

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                                                • Also evidenced by 2 and 3 being separated by the BBC. Had RR been included they would have tied.

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