The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 3rd December 1966 for your interest.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 3rd 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
3	1	Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones					1	1	1	1	1	19050
1	2	Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys					2	2	2	2	2	18415
2	3	Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group					3	3	3	3	3	17780
4	4	Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann					4=	5	5	4	5	16610
7	5	What Would I Be - Val Doonican					4=	4	6	5	4	16545
10	6	My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces					7	6	4	9	8	15905
6	7	Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey					6	7	7	6	6	15425
13	8	Just One Smile - Gene Pitney					8	8	8	7	9	14620
5	9	Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops					9	9	9	8	7	14240
8	10	High Time - Paul Jones					10	12	10	12	10	12735
17	11	Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats					11	15	11	11	11	11900
12	12	Distant Drums - Jim Reeves					13	13	13	13	12	11515
18	13	What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin					12	10	17	10	14	11245
27	14	Morningtown Ride - The Seekers					15	11	12	21	18	10855
28	15	Dead End Street - The Kinks					14	14	14	16	16	10425
11	16	If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin					16	18	15	14	15	9660
9	17	Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies					17	17	16	19	13	9280
16	18	Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals					19	21	18	17	20	7585
20	19	A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner					18	19	22	15	17	7440
14	20	A Fool Am I - Cilla Black					20	22	19	20	21	6750
15	21	I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs					21	20	20	24	19	6670
NEW	22	You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes					22	16	23	18	29	6470
25	23	White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers					23	29	21	22	25	4310
21	24	Guantanamera - The Sandpipers					24	26	25	23	24	3895
19	25	No Milk Today - Herman's Hermits					25	23	27	26	23	3780
22	26	Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band					26	27	24	27	26	3375
24	27	Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers					27		26	25	22	2615
NEW	28	Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding					28	24	29	28	28	2455
NEW	29	There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison					29	25		30		1300
23	30	Time Drags By - Cliff Richard					30		28		27	1090
		Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw						28	30	29		1050
		Under New Management - The Barron Knights						30				200
		Beauty Is Only Skin Deep - The Temptations									30	85

[BobPatience]

Guys, as it has been proved (thanks to Splodj's discovery of the Pick Of The Pops radio show from the time) that the BBC manuscript for 26th October was an error in placing both The Troggs and Jim Reeves at joint #2 I have gone back to that BBC chart of 26th October on here and amended the BBC chart accordingly, placing The Troggs at #2 and Jim Reeves at #3, to ensure that an accurate record of all charts is maintained here.

I am a bit confused. I see neither a chart dated October 26th (though I presume that is the BBC date for the w/e 29th chart) nor a broken tie of the Reeves and Troggs records.

[MrTibbs]

Apologies Bob. It should be October 29th. I made the change earlier but for some reason it didn't save. I have corrected this now. Thanks for getting back to me on this.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work. But wait no more !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 10th December 1966 for your interest.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 10th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones					1	1	1	1	1	19050
5	2	What Would I Be - Val Doonican					2	2	2	2	3	18330
2	3	Good Vibarations - The Beach Boys					3	3	3	3	2	17865
6	4	My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces					4	4	4	4	4	17145
3	5	Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group					5	6	6	5	5	16060
8	6	Just One Smile - Gene Pitney					6	7	5	6	8	15755
14	7	Morningtown Ride - The Seekers					7	5	7	9	6	15525
15	8	Dead End Street - The Kinks					8	8	8	10	11	14150
4	9	Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann					9	12	11	7	7	13240
7	10	Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey					11=	11	9	12	10	13185
11	11	Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats					11=	10	10	13	9	13120
13	12	What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin					10	9	12	8	12	13065
22	13	You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes					13	12	14	11	15	11410
9	14	Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops					14	14	13	14	13	11130
12	15	Distant Drums - Jim Reeves					15	15	15	16	14	10145
10	16	High Time - Paul Jones					16	19	16	15	16	9025
NEW	17	If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley					17	20	18	20	20	7485
29	18	There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison					20	16	21	21	26	6925
17	19	Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies					18=	26	17	19	19	6720
16	20	If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin					18=	28	19	17	17	6190
NEW	21	Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors					23=	18	24	24	30	5135
NEW	22	Sunshine Superman - Donovan					23=	17	26	22		4950
19	23	A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner					21	24	25	23	18	4805
23	24	White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers					25	27	20		21	4400
28	25	Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding					22	21	30	18	23	4230
27	26	Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers					26		22		22	3015
18	27	Help Me Girl - Eric Burdon and The Animals					30		23	27	24	2995
NEW	28	Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					29	22		28		2100
21	29	I Can't Control Myself - The Troggs					27		28	25	25	1860
20	30	A Fool Am I - Cilla Black					28		27	26	27	1840
		Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw						25	29			1700
		I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas						23				1600
		It's Love - Ken Dodd						29				400
		Guantanamera - The Sandpipers									28	255
		East West - Herman's Hermits						30				200
		Dandy - The Rockin' Vickers								29		200
		Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band									29	170
		Heart - Rita Pavone								30		100

[BrainDamageII]

Dandy - Herman's Hermits

I know doesn't make any difference to top 30 but this was 'The Rockin' Vickers'

[Splodj]

Yup, Herman's Hermits version of 'Dandy' went to number 5 in Billboard but was not released in the UK.

[Graham76man]

They did actually release an EP in the UK of the song in February 1967.

[MrTibbs]

Guys I've checked this out again with my copy of the Disc Top 50 and they definitely list it as by Herman's Hermits ?? Import sales ?

[Splodj]

It is listed as The Rockin' Vickers in the original Disc and Music Echo chart which you can see at 1960smusicmagazines.com.

[MrTibbs]

Yip, that confirms the copy i have is titled wrongly. I will amend guys thanks.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 17th December 1966 for your interest.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 17th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	What Would I Be - Val Doonican					2	2	2	2	2	18415
7	3	Morningtown Ride - The Seekers					3	3	3	3	3	17780
4	4	My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces					4	5	5	6	4	16495
3	5	Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys					5	4	6	9	5	16060
22	6	Sunshine Superman - Donovan					6=	7	4	5	13	15680
12	7	What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin					6=	6	9	4	10	14985
13	8	You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes					9	7	8	8	9	14720
8	9	Dead End Street - The Kinks					8	10	7	7	7	14640
5	10	Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group					10=	9	12	10	8	13205
11	11	Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats					10=	11	11	11	6	13125
6	12	Just One Smile - Gene Pitney					12	12	10	17	11	12150
9	13	Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann					13	15	13	13	12	11115
28	14	Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					15	14	14	16	17	10340
10	15	Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey					14	16	15	12	15	10260
17	16	If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley					16	13	18	15	16	9725
15	17	Distant Drums - Jim Reeves					17	17	16	18	14	9295
14	18	Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops					18	24	17	14	18	7705
21	19	Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors					19	18	20	22	22	7015
18	20	There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison					21	22	19	25	19	6420
16	21	High Time - Paul Jones					20	23	22	19	20	5985
NEW	22	Under New Management - The Barron Knights					22	19	25	24	21	5450
NEW	23	Happy Jack - The Who					23	25	21	23	30	4585
25	24	Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding					26	26	26	21	27	3590
NEW	25	In The Country - Cliff Richard					27	20		20		3300
24	26	White Cliffs Of Dover - The Righteous Brothers					25		23	27	24	2995
20	27	If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin					24		24		23	2430
NEW	28	Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield					28	21		29		2200
NEW	29	Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana					30	28	27	26		2100
26	30	Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers					29		29	28	25	1310
		Anyway That You Want Me - The Troggs						27		30		900
		I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas							28			750
		Stop Stop Stop - The Hollies							30		26	675
		Think Sometimes About Me - Sandie Shaw						29				400
		A Love Like Yours - Ike and Tina Turner									28	255
		Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers						30				200
		Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band									29	170

[ACA]

Fortunately the charts I wrote down in the sixties now agree with the BBC charts. I don't know and don't recall why the initial weeks don't. As commented before I didn't catch then that there were many joint positions, but according to my scripts, there seem to no rules of playing order. On December 17th, the Easybeats were played before Spencer Davis and Donovan before Jimmy Ruffin.

Sixties music will always stand for me as outstanding, because it formed my life in music, and I will also look forward to your future lists. It helps keeping things alive.

Anders

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

The Easybeats and Spencer Davis both add up to 39 BBC points...

[MrTibbs]

Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 24th December 1966 for your interest.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 24th 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones					1	1	1	1	1	19050
3	2	Morningtown Ride - The Seekers					2	2	3	2	2	18165
6	3	Sunshine Superman - Donovan					4	4	2	4	4	17645
2	4	What Would I Be - Val Doonican					3	3	4	3	3	17530
8	5	You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes					6	7	5	6	8	15755
9	6	Dead End Street - The Kinks					5	8	7	5	5	15410
7	7	What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin					7	6	6	7	12	15265
4	8	My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces					8	5	8	9	10	14935
14	9	Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					9	10	9	8	6	14125
11	10	Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats					10	9	12	11	7	13190
5	11	Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys					11	12	11	10	9	12770
16	12	If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley					12	11	10	12	13	12680
25	13	In The Country - Cliff Richard					15	14	13	14	21	10450
10	14	Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group					13	15	16	13	11	10450
23	15	Happy Jack - The Who					14	13	15	16	17	10290
12	16	Just One Smile - Gene Pitney					16	16	14	17	16	9925
NEW	17	AnyWay That You Want me - The Troggs					18	17	17	21	25	7810
17	18	Distant Drums - Jim Reeves					17	20	22	19	14	7095
19	19	Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors					23	17	19	25	23	7080
22	20	Under New Management - The Barron Knights					20=	19	21	20	20	6935
20	21	There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison					22	23	18	22	18	6855
13	22	Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann					20=	22	20	23	15	6710
15	23	Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey					18	21	23	15	19	6620
18	24	Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops					24	26	25	18	22	4565
29	25	Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana					29	25	24			2950
28	26	Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield					25	24	28	24		2850
21	27	High Time - Paul Jones					26	27		26	24	1895
NEW	28	(I Know) I'm Losing You - The Temptations					30=		26			1250
NEW	29	Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers					30=	30	27			1200
NEW	30	Heart - Rita Pavona					30=	28	29			1100
		Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding					28	29		29	27	940
		Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers					27			27	26	825
		I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas					30=			28	29	470
		If I Were A Carpenter - Bobby Darin									28	255
		Island In The Sun - The Righteous Brothers							30			250
		Mustang Sally - Wilson Pickett								30		100
		Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band									30	85

[Splodj]

Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?

Yes indeed. This was a golden period for records so it will be fascinating to see how this develops.

[brian05]

Yes please - continue to 1969. Then 1960 to 1963. I like the side by side chart comparisons.
Many years ago I did a similar comparison for 1963.

[Splodj]

On 1-Jan-67 POTP presented the cumulatively top scoring records of 1966, using the inverse points method.

The Top 3 were:
1. Distant Drums - 219 points
2. Strangers In The Night - 185 points
3. These Boots Are Made For Walkin' - 148 points

The entire Top 20 is here ...
https://www.mixcloud.com/terry-obrie...eview-of-1966/

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Before I wind up 1966 tomorrow guys is this still a worthwhile project ? Want me to continue ?

YES and YES !! If this is too much work Brian, maybe you could cut back to no more than 1 chart per day. We're not in a hurry, at 1 chart per day, over the next 1 year + 5 months = 10 years of weekly charts done. Plus it would give us more time to study each chart and comment back, maybe more total comments. Just a thought... Rock on...

[ACA]

Let me put it this way. If it is as satisfying to yourself to go through these old charts as it appears to be to many of us, you'd never doubt that you are on the right track.
I agree with Robin - you don't have to pace things, because the study of the single chart brings back so many treasured memories. I myself take time to find many of those tracks in my collection and play them again. So please continue...!

[MrTibbs]

I'm really happy to see all those comments guys because I'm just as keen to keep on producing these charts as you are to see them. This is not a laborious task for me compiling these charts it's a totally absorbing labour of love.

I'm glad Robin and ACA raised the point on frequency. You will have noted some days I post one chart and other days 2, never sure how many a day you guys want to see, but it seems 1 is ideal as all of you comment how much you like to study and dissect them and can do this better with 1, so I will now do just that going forward.

Don't worry about me not keeping up, it's not a problem I'm already way ahead and working on July 1967 so not a problem giving you a new chart everyday for your reading pleasure.

I got asked in a message if it bothered me when guys picked me up on minor errors etc. My answer was no it doesn't , in fact I welcome it on the rare occasions it happens. It tells me guys are really interested in my charts and gives me the chance to correct retrospectively to ensure all charts are 100% accurate. That is my driving goal, so please continue to flag up any that still slip through my own checking procedures. I really do welcome this.

Lastly, again, just to reassure you, after I get to Feb 1969 I will go back and compile 60 to 63 for you all where you will notice even more differences between March 60 and March 62 when RM and RR are added to the average for the first time ever (on their effective dates within this period).
then 56 to 59.

Groovy Stuff ! Brian.

[Splodj]

This is when Denys Jones took over compilation of the BBC chart, so there may be some changes in it's calculation policy.

Looks like he did the 1966 year end 'points' chart in a burst of initial enthusiasm, and It was not attempted again. In the 3 succeeding years before an annual sales chart was possible they had a Top 3s show at the end of each year.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! So, here is the last chart for 1966. A chart where Donovan would have been a much better No 1.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 31st December 1966 for your interest.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 31st 1966								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Green Green Grass Of Home - Tom Jones					1	1	1	3	1	18850
2	2	Morningtown Ride - The Seekers					2	2	3	1	4	18095
3	3	Sunshine Superman - Donovan					3	4	2	2	2	18015
4	4	What Would I Be - Val Doonican					4	3	5	4	6	16925
5	5	You Keep Me Hangin' On - The Supremes					5	5	4	6	10	16235
9	6	Save Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					6	7	7	5	3	15780
6	7	Dead End Street - The Kinks					7	8	6	7	5	15460
7	8	What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Jimmy Ruffin					8	6	9	9	8	14655
12	9	If Every Day Was Like Christmas - Elvis Presley					9	11	8	8	9	13920
15	10	Happy Jack - The Who					10=	9	11	12	13	12830
13	11	In The Country - Cliff Richard					10=	12	10	10	17	12340
8	12	My Mind's Eye - The Small Faces					12	10	12	11	15	12310
10	13	Friday On My Mind - The Easybeats					13	12	13	13	7	12140
11	14	Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys					14=	15	15	14	11	10600
17	15	Anyway That You Want Me - The Troggs					14=	14	14	16	19	10170
20	16	Under New Management - The Barron Knights					16	16	16	18	20	8985
14	17	Gimme Some Loving - The Spencer Davis Group					17	17	19	15	25	7910
19	18	Walk With Faith In Your Heart - The Bachelors					18=	18	18	19	21	7900
16	19	Just One Smile - Gene Pitney					18=	19	17	20	26	7425
21	20	There Won't Be Many Coming Home - Roy Orbison					21	25	20	17	12	6965
25	21	Pamela Pamela - Wayne Fontana					20	21	21	24	23	5880
18	22	Distant Drums - Jim Reeves					22	20	25	23	16	5775
23	23	Holy Cow - Lee Dorsey					25	22	27	25	14	4845
26	24	Call Her Your Sweetheart - Frank Ifield					23	24	26	21		3650
22	25	Semi-Detached Suburban Mr James - Manfred Mann					26	23	23			3600
28	26	(I Know) I'm Losing You - The Temptations					24	27	24	22		3450
29	27	Deadlier Than The Male - The Walker Brothers					27	30	22	26		2950
NEW	28	Sitting In The Park - Georgie Fame						29			18	1505
27	29	High Time - Paul Jones					28	26			28	1255
NEW	30	Island In The Sun - The Righteous Brothers							29		24	1095
		I'm Ready For Love - Martha and The Vandellas					30=			28	22	1065
		Reach Out I'll Be There - The Four Tops						28	30			850
		Heart - Rita Pavone					30=		28			750
		I Feel Free - Cream								29	27	540
		Mustang Sally - Wilson Pickett					29			27		400
		Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers									29	170
		Progress - The Pretty Things								30		100
		Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song) - Otis Redding									30	85

[Borobear]

Please keep going. I am really enjoying this thread. I would also like to see you go to the end of 1969 before going back to 1960. Thanks for all the hard work so far.

[Robbie]

From looking at the tied positions the BBC chart for 31/12/66 appears not to have used the Record Retailer chart. The BBC also have two records tied at #18 but 'Just One Smile' from Gene Pitney should have been placed at number 19 which is where it is placed on the Ultimate Averaged Chart.

[Splodj]

Also evidenced by 2 and 3 being separated by the BBC. Had RR been included they would have tied.