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  • Strange, above message repeated itself 5 times.

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    • Up until 1969, when the Birkin / Gainsbourg and Max Romeo songs charted, I cannot recall any record being banned from the chart section on POTP.

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      • I think, if I remember correctly, that the BBC didn't play Leader Of The Pack by The Shangri-Las back on release in 1965 as it was considered to be in poor taste but I can't remember if POTP played it or not back then.

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        • That's a possible candidate.

          The only way to discover if it was banned would be to find a recording (or track listing) of the 31-Jan-65 POTP to see if it was played as a Top 20 new entry, as it never made the Top 10.

          Edit: 'Leader Of The Pack' was featured as the second act on the 4-Feb-65 edition of Top Of The Pops.
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          Last edited by Splodj; Sat October 10, 2020, 23:22.

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          • Graham76man
            Graham76man commented
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            TOTP could get away with playing things as it was on at 7.30, when young kids were in bed, back then. Radio however was much stricter.

        • I think Leader of The Pack fell into the "death disc" thing, that was popular in the early 60's - Johnny Remember Me etc. It was the Church of England that told the BBC that these discs shouldn't be played. So they didn't.
          Back then I think Fluff only had to play the top ten in full. So as the record probably didn't make the top ten on first release (well it didn't in RR) so I guess the BBC chart probably didn't have it in. Then he didn't have to play it! Hence the "pick" thing.

          Having a top ten record was the only way you could get a record played for sure on the BBC. Though you might think that sending in a request for record on the "request shows" would also get the record played. But that was never the case. The BBC simply selected the records it wanted to play, then trawled through the sack of requests for the same records! Of course there were plenty.
          Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 15th 1967. Enjoy !

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 15th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
            2 1 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 1 1 1 1 1 19050
            4 2 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 2 2 2 2 3 18330
            11 3 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 4 4 3 4 4 17395
            1 4 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 3 5 3 2 17365
            14 5 Ha ! Ha! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann 6 6 4 6 6 16375
            3 6 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 5 5 6 5 5 16260
            5 7 Simon Smith and His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 7 7 8 8 7 14890
            8 8 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 8= 8 7 9 9 14670
            6 9 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 8= 9 9 7 8 14255
            18 10 Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 10 11 10 10 11 13050
            7 11 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 11 10 11 11 10 12985
            17 12 Bernadette - The Four Tops 12 12 12 12 13 11980
            13 13 Georgy Girl - The Seekers 14 15 13 18 14 10445
            10 14 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 13 16 15 13 12 10415
            9 15 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 15 14 17 14 18 9705
            30 16 I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens 16 13 16 16 21 9700
            25 17 Happy Together - The Turtles 17 19 14 15 19 9270
            20 18 Because I Love You - Georgie Fame 18 17 18 19 15 8610
            12 19 Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 19 21 19 17 17 7590
            27 20 Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 20= 18 20 21 25 6860
            19 21 Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 20= 20 22 20 16 6825
            28 22 Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd 23 24 21 22 26 5225
            23 23 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 22 24 24 23 20 4885
            15 24 There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits 24 30 23 24 23 3580
            22 25 Al Capone - Prince Buster 25 27 28 27 22 2715
            NEW 26 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 29 22 30 29 2250
            21 27 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes 27 25 30 24 2195
            16 28 On A Carousel - The Hollies 26 26 26 27 2090
            NEW 29 I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move 28 23 28 30 1985
            NEW 30 Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas 30 29 29 25 1500
            Give It To Me - The Troggs 27 29 1170
            Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck 26 1000
            You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five 28 28 855


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            • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
              So as the record probably didn't make the top ten on first release (well it didn't in RR) so I guess the BBC chart probably didn't have it in.
              You can see where it peaked on post 239.

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              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                A joint #1 on the BBC chart.

                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 22nd 1967. Enjoy !

                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 22nd 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                2 1 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 1= 1 1 2 2 18865
                1 2 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 1= 2 2 1 1 18600
                3 3 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 3 3 3 3 3 17780
                5 4 Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann 4 4 4 4 4 17145
                4 5 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 5 5 6 5 5 16260
                6 6 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 6 6 7 6 7 15540
                10 7 Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 7 7 8 7 6 15075
                8 8 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 8 9 5 9 9 14970
                12 9 Bernadette - The Four Tops 9 8 11 8 8 13855
                16 10 I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens 10 11 9 11 10 13285
                7 11 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 11 10 10 12 11 13050
                20 12 Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 12 13 12 10 14 11895
                9 13 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 13 12 13 15 13 11430
                17 14 Happy Together - The Turtles 14 17 14 13 12 10465
                18 15 Because I Love You - Georgie Fame 15 14 18 14 15 9710
                11 16 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 16 16 15 16 17 9690
                29 17 I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move 17 15 17 18 16 9275
                26 18 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 18 18 16 17 18 8855
                NEW 19 Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones 19 19 20 19 24 6945
                13 20 Georgy Girl - The Seekers 22 21 21 26 22 5765
                14 21 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 21 26 19 21 23 5680
                23 22 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 20 24 22 22 19 5570
                30 23 Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas 23= 20 26 24 26 4575
                NEW 24 Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck 23= 24 24 20 28 4505
                15 25 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 26 29 23 23 27 3540
                22 26 Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd 25 25 27 20 2835
                19 27 Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 27 26 27 28 25 2810
                NEW 28 The Boat That I Row - Lulu 29 22 25 2400
                21 29 Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 28 28 28 30 21 2300
                25 30 Al Capone - Prince Buster 30 23 30 29 29 2220
                There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits 29 500
                Maroc 7 - The Shadows 30 200
                You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five 30 85

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                • Graham76man
                  Graham76man commented
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                  As I predicted Jeff Beck enters all the top 30 without selling a single copy. Only after these charts were published did Beck start to sell, but only at 79. The other version by The Attack was the one in the actual chart. But as that video I posted in a previous post shows when somebody like Don Arden wanted a record in the chart it was. He was not the only one Joe Meek was well into chart hyping. Meek bought 10 to 20 in each shop and they would chart, he would then tell the DJ's it's charted and they would do the rest to sell the record. 100 copies would get you up the chart. At least 60 shops were in London.

              • Strange how the BBC did not break a tie for number one using the 'trend' method, but did for other positions.

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                • Yeah there was no consistency in their application of tie breakers.

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                  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 29th 1967. Enjoy !

                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 29th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                    1 1 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                    2 2 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                    3 3 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 3 3 3 3 3 17780
                    4 4 Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann 4 4 4 4 4 17145
                    7 5 Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 5 5 5 6 5 16410
                    5 6 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 6 6 7 5 8 15555
                    10 7 I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens 7 8 6 7 6 15375
                    9 8 Bernadette - The Four Tops 8 7 10 8 10 14135
                    12 9 Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 10 9 8 10 11 13950
                    17 10 I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move 9 11 9 9 7 13740
                    18 11 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 11 10 12 11 9 12820
                    19 12 Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones 12 13 11 12 13 12030
                    6 13 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 14 12 15 13 14 11045
                    14 14 Happy Together - The Turtles 13 14 14 14 12 10965
                    8 15 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 15 16 13 15 15 10460
                    28 16 The Boat That I Row - Lulu 16 15 16 16 16 9725
                    13 17 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 17 17 18 18 17 8540
                    11 18 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 18 18 19 21 18 7705
                    15 19 Because I Love You - Georgie Fame 19 19 20 17 21 7400
                    24 20 Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck 20 23 17 19 24 6895
                    22 21 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 21 21 23 22 19 5920
                    23 22 Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas 22 22 22 20 22 5915
                    16 23 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 23 29 21 23 20 4635
                    NEW 24 Pictures Of Lily - The Who 25 19 28 24 3850
                    NEW 25 Maroc 7 / Bombay Duck - The Shadows 24 25 25 25 26 3725
                    NEW 26 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 26 24 26 28 29 3120
                    26 27 Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd 27 24 23 2430
                    21 28 Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles 29 27 26 1500
                    30 29 Al Capone - Prince Buster 28 28 30 25 1360
                    NEW 30 Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got - Jimmy Ruffin 30 27 27 1200
                    Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 26 1000
                    Georgy Girl - The Seekers 30 30 27 640
                    Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick
                    and Tich
                    29 500
                    Oh How I Miss You - The Bachelors 29 30 285
                    Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican 28 255

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                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1967. Enjoy !

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                      1 1 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                      2 2 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                      3 3 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 3 3 5 3 4 17195
                      5 4 Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 4 5 4 4 3 17030
                      4 5 Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann 5 6 3 5 7 16640
                      11 6 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 6 4 6 6 6 16275
                      10 7 I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move 7 7 9 7 5 14910
                      12 8 Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones 8 8 8 8 9 14520
                      9 9 Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 9 9 7 9 13 14130
                      16 10 The Boat That I Row - Lulu 10 10 10 10 10 13335
                      7 11 I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens 11 11 11 14 8 12655
                      6 12 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 12 14 13 11 11 11600
                      26 13 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 13 13 14 13 15 11010
                      14 14 Happy Together - The Turtles 15 16 12 15 14 10795
                      24 15 Pictures Of Lily - The Who 14 12 16 12 16 10725
                      8 16 Bernadette - The Four Tops 16 15 15 16 12 10315
                      20 17 Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck 17 17 17 19 17 8690
                      15 18 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 18 18 18 21 18 7955
                      13 19 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 19 19 19 18 20 7635
                      21 20 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 20 23 21 17 19 6520
                      22 21 Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas 21 24 20 20 21 6100
                      17 22 I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 22 21 22 24 23 5630
                      25 23 Maroc 7 / Bombay Duck - The Shadows 23 25 23 26 24 4295
                      NEW 24 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 24 20 23 29 3170
                      19 25 Because I Love You - Georgie Fame 25= 28 25 25 26 3125
                      18 26 Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 25= 30 24 28 22 3015
                      NEW 27 New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees 27 26 22 27 2240
                      30 28 Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got - Jimmy Ruffin 29 22 30 1885
                      23 29 Edelweiss - Vince Hill 28 26 25 1760
                      NEW 30 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 30 27 27 1400
                      Birds And Bees - Warm Sounds 27 800
                      Al Capone - Prince Buster 28 750
                      Get Me To The World On Time - The Electric Prunes 28 600
                      Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd 30 28 505
                      Oh How I Miss You - The Bachelors 29 500
                      Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys 29 200
                      Casino Royale - Herb Alpert 30 100

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                      • Ultimate and BBC very close. Just 14/15 swapped, 25 untied and 28/29 swapped.
                        Last edited by Splodj; Tue October 13, 2020, 09:08.

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                        • Pink Floyd made their debut a few weeks ago and now it's the turn of the Bee Gees.

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                          • That was the Bee Gees second single. The first "Spicks and Specks" only reached reached 66 in March of 1967 so would not have made the top 30.
                            Lulu's track was of course very popular with the Pirate Radio stations due to the boat reference.
                            Topol - If I was A Rich Man, was in entirely due to the West End production of the show Fiddler On The Roof that year. It first hit the stage in the USA in 1964, so it took some time to get a production in the UK. I suspect there was a bias still in the charts towards London shops, which might have accounted for it's place in these charts, but it's a catchy tune and so would sell anyway. Most people these days will know it from the film of the same name. But the film wasn't released until 1971 so had no effect here.

                            There's no footage of Frank and Nancy actually singing Somethin' Stupid. One of the few late 60's number one not to have film of the performance. Some people have cobbled together on YouTube footage of them singing together and put the track over it, but it's not them actually singing the song!
                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                            • Those of us who listened to Radio London were in a different time warp. The Bee Gees had entered their chart at 21 a full month before, on 6-Apr. On 12-May they played the entire Sgt Pepper album. On 14-May 'A Whiter Shade of Pale' entered their chart at 29, after having been played since late April.

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                              • Graham76man
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                                An early example of a Radio Station not basing what they play based on what people are buying. This became more common when commercial radio started. Many of them wouldn't play some chart hits and when Punk came along the charts were a no go area for Radio Stations. How many stations today will use the Official top 40 as A grade playlist material?

                            • Despite all the classic singles they came out with in later decades I still think the chilling NYMD1941 is the Bee Gees' most memorable composition (and the obvious inspiration for Bowie's Space Oddity a couple of years later).

                              It was inspired by the recent Aberfan disaster ("Mr Jones...") and presumably the rather random title (as Graham pointed out earlier, there was no mining disaster in New York in '41) was to avoid accusations of "cashing in" on the tragedy...

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                              • Yeah some weeks the BBC and The Ultimate Averaged Charts only differ by a handful of positions plus tie breaking. Some weeks there are more differences than others some quite markedly.
                                When we get to March 1960 to March1962 you will see a lot more differences due to the factoring in of the RM and RR charts which the BBC didn't include at that time. So we might potentially see a greatly different averaged chart for that period.

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                                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                  Yeah some weeks the BBC and The Ultimate Averaged Charts only differ by a handful of positions plus tie breaking. Some weeks there are more differences than others some quite markedly.
                                  When we get to March 1960 to March1962 you will see a lot more differences due to the factoring in of the RM and RR charts which the BBC didn't include at that time. So we might potentially see a greatly different averaged chart for that period.
                                  What I like about the Ultimate Averaged Chart is that it shows that the concept behind the compilation of the Pick Of The Pops chart was sound. It gave a broad overview of what was popular in the charts of the 1960s. However the simplicity of the chart compilation method also left the POTP chart open to problems such as joint postions which your averaged chart doesn't have. The BBC chart didn't have a satisfactory method of dealing with joint positions while the Ultimate Averaged chart does.

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                                  • Graham76man
                                    Graham76man commented
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                                    But there are three easy ways to sort out joint positions. 1: Most weeks in chart. 2: Alphabetical. 3: based on last week positions highest first. The BBC could have also just phoned a one shop up at random and ask the owner which of the records sold more in their shop.
                                    But of course none of this mattered to the BBC till the number one became compromised and they gave up on the system after that.

                                • An interesting point to ponder is that (almost certainly) the infamous 3-way tie would not have happened if Disc had stayed in the game.

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                                  • The three way tie finally epitomised and laid bare just how inadequate the BBC's system of averaging out was. If they had adopted a more robust and consistent approach it shouldn't have happened as the potential for such a tie should surely have been foreseen.

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                      Another week with the BBC chart riddled with ties and fourteen differences in chart positions between the BBC and Ultimate Charts between positions 11 and 30.

                                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 13th 1967 for your pleasure.

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 13th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                      2 2 Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 2 3 2 3 2 18115
                                      6 3 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 3 2 4 2 3 17830
                                      13 4 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 4 4 3 4 4 17395
                                      10 5 The Boat That I Row - Lulu 5 6 5 5 6 16225
                                      15 6 Pictures Of Lily - The Who 6 7 6 9 5 15460
                                      4 7 Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 7 5 9 8 7 15040
                                      8 8 Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones 8 10 7 6 8 14655
                                      9 9 Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 9 11 8 7 11 13850
                                      3 10 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 10= 9 10 10 10 13535
                                      7 11 I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move 10= 8 11 11 9 13470
                                      5 12 Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann 12 12 12 12 12 12065
                                      12 13 Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 13= 15 14 14 15 10510
                                      14 14 Happy Together - The Turtles 13= 14 15 13 16 10475
                                      11 15 I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens 13= 13 16 16 13 10380
                                      17 16 Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck 16 18 13 15 14 10145
                                      16 17 Bernadette - The Four Tops 17 16 17 17 18 9005
                                      NEW 18 Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys 18 20 18 18 19 7770
                                      NEW 19 Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks 21 17 19 20 29 7070
                                      27 20 New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees 19 21 21 28 17 5990
                                      24 21 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 20 19 26 22 21 5400
                                      NEW 22 The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 22 24 25 19 27 4440
                                      23 23 Maroc 7 / Bombay Duck - The Shadows 24 28 20 26 25 4360
                                      19 24 This Is My Song - Harry Secombe 23 22 21 23 3930
                                      NEW 25 Casino Royale - Herb Alpert 26= 27 23 23 3600
                                      18 26 It's All Over - Cliff Richard 25 23 28 27 22 3515
                                      30 27 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 28= 29 24 30 28 2505
                                      NEW 28 The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold 30 22 25 2400
                                      20 29 Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd 26= 29 24 20 2035
                                      21 30 Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas 28= 27 29 24 1795
                                      Birds And Bees - Warm Sounds 25 1200
                                      Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band 26 1000
                                      I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith 29 500
                                      Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got - Jimmy Ruffin 26 425
                                      The Happening - The Supremes 30 250
                                      Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set 30 85

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                                      • The only difference in my notes from this day is that the Turtles were played or mentioned at 15 and Cat Stevens at 14. But still I wasn't aware of the joint positions at that time, so it must have been the presenters choice (Alan Freeman).

                                        Glad to see you proceed with your excellent work! Don't give up, it's worthwhile!

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                                        • Glad you continue to enjoy ACA and thanks for 'liking' the thread. Alan sometimes mentioned ties on POTP and sometimes didn't which led to confusion at times.

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                                          • It's rather sad that PP Arnold failed to make number one, but Rod Stewart did with that song.
                                            There's a line in the Kinks song "Terry meets Julie" that has become famous as a myth. The story is that it's about Terrence Stamp and Julie Christie. However years later one of the Kinks said it was about his brother and girlfriend and not the film stars!
                                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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