The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

I agree Robin. It has been suggested Gambaccini disagreed with the choice of RR, so I thought it was interesting to hear him defend it.

You said you had done some analysis about the two methods of awarding points to compose composite charts - upwards and downwards. Did you come to the same conclusion I did that there is no inherent difference between the two methods? Upwards gives zero points to a record outside the Top 30; downwards gives 31 points. My contention is that zero is equivalent to 31, nether is better than the other. If you discovered that a record outside the Top 30 was actually at number 40, both methods are 9 points out; upwards should have awarded minus 9 points (instead of zero) and downwards should have awarded 40 points (instead of 31).

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for the Week Ending 14th March 1964.
Before I add the chart can I just offer that irregardless of whether points up or points down is used that system alone is never going to compile a robust composite chart. Both methods lead to numerous ties and more importantly treats each music chart equally which they are clearly not, at least in respect of the number of store returns each use. Again, this is why I have factored in the number of store returns to represent the proportion of returns each music paper used to compile their chart. As you can clearly see from all my Ultimate Averaged charts thus far this doesn't hugely impact on the chart compiled by Inverse Points alone BUT it does enhance it by splitting the vast, vast, majority of ties, corrects errors made by the BBC, and makes the Top 30 much more accurate by removing points unfairly awarded to records that did not make any Top 30 but were all awarded 31 points by the BBC irregardless of where they would have placed outside the Top 30 in a Top 50. So to the chart...

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 14th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					1	1	1	2	1
2	2	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					2	2	2	1	2
8	3	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					3	3	3	3	3
3	4	Diane - The Bachelors					4	4	5	4	4
6	5	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					5	5	4	5	5
4	6	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					6	6	6	6	8
10	7	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					7	8	7	7	9
17	8	Just One Look - The Hollies					8	7	12	8	6
5	9	Needles And Pins - The Searchers					9	9	11	10	7
7	10	Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					10	12	9	9	11
12	11	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					12	10	8	13	18
9	12	I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers					11	11	10	14	12
20	13	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					13	14	14	12	14
15	14	Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield					14	15	13	16	13
25	15	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					15	13	18	11	16
21	16	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					16	16	20	15	10
19	17	Borne On The Wind - Roy Orbison					17	19	17	20	15
14	18	As Usual - Brenda Lee					18	21	15	21	17
11	19	5 4 3 2 1 - Manfred Mann					19	22	16	18	20
16	20	All My Loving (EP) - The Beatles					20	24	19	17
27	21	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					22	18	23	19	22
13	22	I'm The Lonely One - Cliff Richard					21	20	21	22	21
18	23	Baby I Love You - The Ronettes					23	25	22	25	19
NEW	24	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					24	17	28	24	29
22	25	The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones					25	26	25	23
29	26	Eight By Ten - Ken Dodd					26	28	26	26	25
23	27	For You - Rick Nelson					28		24		23
RE	28	You Were There - Heinz					27	23		28	26
24	29	Hippy Hippy Shake - The Swinging Blue Jeans					30		27		27
26	30	I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles					29		29	30	24
		King Of Kings - Ezz Reco and The Launchers						27
		It's An Open Secret - The Joy Strings						29		29
		If He Tells You - Adam Faith						30		27
		Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield							30		28
		Glad All Over - The Dave Clark Five									30

[Splodj]

On Youtube there is a recording of this week's 'Pick Of The Pops' and a recording from the w/e 11-Jan-64 featured on the previous page.

What I think both of these recordings show is that the BBC was serious about its chart at the time. Alan Freeman goes into detail about every position in the Top 20, attaching great importance to how each one is moving up or down or staying static. Then on TOTP there was that huge display of the Top 20 visible behind the dj and beside the acts in the studio. Both shows had massive audiences. Just because it did not appear in print, I do not think its role as the chart most people knew about should be underestimated.

I think it is a shame that they did not take more care over its compilation, particularly in respect of tiebreaking, so that it could have formed the basis for what became the official chart. That is why I am interested in this thread; it is a great 'what might have been'.

With regard to whether upwards or downwards is better, I hold no religious attachment to my view that they are both equally good/bad. I would be quite happy to be proved wrong!

[Robbie]

The next chart coming up will be the chart from the week I was born so I'm looking forward to it...

[Robbie]

On Youtube there is a recording of this week's 'Pick Of The Pops' and a recording from the w/e 11-Jan-64 featured on the previous page.

What I think both of these recordings show is that the BBC was serious about its chart at the time. Alan Freeman goes into detail about every position in the Top 20, attaching great importance to how each one is moving up or down or staying static. Then on TOTP there was that huge display of the Top 20 visible behind the dj and beside the acts in the studio. Both shows had massive audiences. Just because it did not appear in print, I do not think its role as the chart most people knew about should be underestimated.

I think it is a shame that they did not take more care over its compilation, particularly in respect of tiebreaking, so that it could have formed the basis for what became the official chart. That is why I am interested in this thread; it is a great 'what might have been'.

With regard to whether upwards or downwards is better, I hold no religious attachment to my view that they are both equally good/bad. I would be quite happy to be proved wrong!

I wonder why the BBC POTP / TOTP chart did not become the chart of record for the 1960s? Did it not appear anywhere in print?

One thing that is sad is that the chart is now completely overlooked. When Alan Freeman started to present the oldies chart version of Pick Of The Pops in the 90s he used the authentic BBC chart. However when he left the programme and was replaced by Dale Winton around the turn of the millennium the programme began to use the Record Retailer chart (and the NME chart from prior to March 1960), effectively writing the BBC chart into history.

[MrTibbs]

I have always held the view that the principle behind the BBC charts was correct, but it was their methodology of compilation that let them down. It may have been presented seriously Splodj but their chart was compiled for entertainment programmes rather than as a serious chart, hence why it was never published or promoted. Furthermore, the number of errors in compilation made time and time again should not have happened if it was a serious chart. I was actually told by Dave Taylor, who communicated with Derek Chinnery who compiled the BBC chart for many years that he gave the music papers to his daughter, a school child, who totalled up the figures in a note book for him.
I think that speaks volumes for how seriously it was compiled and checked. Also the BBC now want the fact they had a chart paint brushed out of history, they actually denied its existence to not only Dave Taylor but also to myself when I once enquired about it. You will notice now on Paul Gambaccini's POTP as with Tony Blackburn before him that the BBC now don't use their own chart but go with the 'official' ha ha ha chart of the sixties, and yeah I am one of disciplines also who denounce the RR chart of being titled as such.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !
Hey Robbie, here is the chart you are waiting for. These charts are the 'chart of charts' so they have to be the most accurate reflecting the times, based on all major charts, compiled accurately and in proportion to music papers number of store returns. Enjoy.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 21st 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
3	1	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					1	1	1	1	1
1	2	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					2	2	2	2	3
5	3	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					4	3	3	5	4
2	4	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					3	4	4	3	2
8	5	Just One Look - The Hollies					5	5	5	4	5
4	6	Diane - The Bachelors					6	6	6	6	6
13	7	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					8	7	7	9	9
6	8	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					7	8	9	7	7
7	9	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					9	9	8	8	8
15	10	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					10	10	10	10	12
11	11	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					12	12	11	14	16
10	12	Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					13	15	12	11	15
16	13	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					11	16	13	12	11
21	14	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					15	14	15	16	14
9	15	Needles And Pins - The Searchers					14	18	16	13	10
14	16	Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield					16	17	14	18	13
24	17	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					17	13	17	17	18
17	18	Borne On The Wind - Roy Orbison					18	19	19	20	17
NEW	19	I Believe - The Bachelors					19	11	24	15	28
12	20	I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers					20	23	18	19	19
20	21	All My Loving (EP) - The Beatles					21	29	20	21
NEW	22	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					23	24	23	22	29
18	23	As Usual - Brenda Lee					22		21	25	20
25	24	The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones					24	27	26	23
19	25	5 4 3 2 1 - Manfred Mann					25		22	28	22
NEW	26	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					26	20		24
NEW	27	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					27	21	30	26
22	28	I'm The Lonely One - Cliff Richard					29		25		24
26	29	Eight By Ten - Ken Dodd					28	30	27	30	23
NEW	30	My Boy Lollipop - Millie						22
		Baby I Love You - The Ronettes					29		28		21
		If He Tells You - Adam Faith						28	29	27
		King Of Kings - Ezz Reco and The Launchers						25
		It's An Open Secret - The Joy Strings						26
		I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles									25
		You Were There - Heinz									26
		For You - Rick Nelson									27
		Move Over Darling - Doris Day								29
		Don't Blame Me - Frank Ifield									30

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 28th 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 28th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
NEW	1	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	8
1	2	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					2	2	2	2	1
5	3	Just One Look - The Hollies					3	3	3	3	2
3	4	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					4	4	4	5	3
4	5	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					5	6	6	4	6
7	6	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	7	5	6	5
2	7	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					7	8	7	7	4
10	8	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					8	8	8	8	7
19	9	I Believe - The Bachelors					9	5	9	9	11
6	10	Diane - The Bachelors					10	11	10	11	10
17	11	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					11	10	11	12	12
9	12	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					12	12	12	14	9
14	13	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					14	14	13	15	13
27	14	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					13	13	15	10	16
8	15	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					15	15	14	13	14
13	16	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					16	20	16	18	15
12	17	Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					17	19	18	16	19
11	18	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					18	18	17	19	21
26	19	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					19	16	21	17	23
22	20	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					20	17	20	24	20
16	21	Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield					21	23	19	22	17
18	22	Borne On The Wind - Roy Orbison					22	21	22	21	22
15	23	Needles And Pins - The Searchers					23		23	20	18
NEW	24	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					24	25	26	25	26
30	25	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					27	21	29	28	28
20	26	I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers					26	28	25	27	25
21	27	All My Loving (EP) - The Beatles					25		24	23
NEW	28	If He Tells You - Adam Faith					28	24	27	30
23	29	As Usual - Brenda Lee					29		28		24
NEW	30	King Of Kings - Ezz Reco and The Launchers					30=	26
		It's An Open Secret - The Joy Strings						27
		New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					30=			26
		The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones						30	30
		Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five						29
		Eight By Ten - Ken Dodd									27
		Everything's Allright - The Mojos								29
		My World Of Blue - Karl Denver									29
		Baby I Love You - The Ronettes									30

[Graham76man]

I have always held the view that the principle behind the BBC charts was correct, but it was their methodology of compilation that let them down. It may have been presented seriously Splodj but their chart was compiled for entertainment programmes rather than as a serious chart, hence why it was never published or promoted. Furthermore, the number of errors in compilation made time and time again should not have happened if it was a serious chart. I was actually told by Dave Taylor, who communicated with Derek Chinnery who compiled the BBC chart for many years that he gave the music papers to his daughter, a school child, who totalled up the figures in a note book for him.
I think that speaks volumes for how seriously it was compiled and checked. Also the BBC now want the fact they had a chart paint brushed out of history, they actually denied its existence to not only Dave Taylor but also to myself when I once enquired about it. You will notice now on Paul Gambaccini's POTP as with Tony Blackburn before him that the BBC now don't use their own chart but go with the 'official' ha ha ha chart of the sixties, and yeah I am one of disciplines also who denounce the RR chart of being titled as such.

None of this surprises me. In the 60's the BBC hated pop music, they simply had to use it though. Let's not forget that Pirate Radio Stations were using their own charts rather than use any other charts. The BBC hated the Pirates too. The UK Government even put pressure on the BBC not to let this "American" top 40 "rubbish" into the UK. As it was spoiling the British Culture!
Of course later on when the BBC started paying for the charts, and the Record Retailer charts were brought on board by the compilers of the first British Hit Singles book, so the BBC washed their hands of the former charts.
Alan Freeman's chart show was a strict laid out format scripted even down to his catch phrases! The "Pick" was so they could avoid playing records that didn't meet standards set by the BBC.
In the end however it was the messy system of charts that brought about the compilation of the Top 50 from an actual sales based chart and not a point based one, with the BBC as the driving force behind it.

[Robbie]

Thanks for the chart from the week I was born Mr Tibbs. I always thought that the title of the number 1 ('Little Children') was an appropriate title for a number 1 on the day I was born although the lyrics tell a different sory (it's about a guy being caught kissing the child's sister!).

When Alan Freeman started to present Pick Of The Pops in the 1960s I believe that all of the BBC's output was scripted. It may even have been, to a degree, when Radio 1 began. I've read up on the potted history of how the BMRB chart started - I'll not spoil any surprises until we get to the relevant dates (there is a good write up in a Billboard issue from the 1960s about how and why the chart was created though much of it is probably already known) - but it is a good and informative read.

[Splodj]

At least the BBC ignored RR and put 'Can't Buy Me Love' at number one, and I can remember it was played a lot on the Light Programme that weekend. Radio Caroline had just arrived and didn't even have it on board.

George Martin is praised for spotting The Beatles talent when others rejected them, but before he signed them they passed a BBC audition and had appeared on two programmes. They went on to record 30 songs for the BBC that they never released on disc.

There were a lot of things wrong with the BBC but they did do a lot of good things. And as Robbie has pointed out Radio 1 was using the BBC's own old charts on the retrospective POTP in the 90's. It was only after the cull of the old DJs and when POTP transferred to Radio 2 that they changed.

[MrTibbs]

What you say is spot on Graham and that is really revealing about Alan Freemans shows being tightly scripted. Robbie I'd be really interested in reading that Billboard article , any idea where I can find it ?
Caroline and Luxembourg, how I loved them both. I'm getting nostalgic now lol.

[Robbie]

What you say is spot on Graham and that is really revealing about Alan Freemans shows being tightly scripted. Robbie I'd be really interested in reading that Billboard article , any idea where I can find it ?
Caroline and Luxembourg, how I loved them both. I'm getting nostalgic now lol.

I posted a link to two of the articles, from the Billboard issues dated 10 August 1968 and 19 October 1968. There are a couple more which I'll see if I can find. The links to those two articles from August and October 1968 are in a post I made in August 2018

https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...78#post9420378

Incidentally I have a feeling that the BBC representative mentioned in the Billboard issue dated 10 August 1968 and whose name is given as Robin Scott may be the same Robin Scott who had a massive hit as M with 'Pop Muzik' in 1979. It seems he did work for the BBC for a while around the late 60s and early 70s. If it's not him then it's a coincidence.

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Since no one has said anything yet, I'll ask you Brian: are you creating a special rule for #1 on your Ultimate chart?

[MrTibbs]

Yes Robin, No 1 in all fairness has to be clearly what is No 1 in most charts. In the case of the Beatles above they were No 1 in MM NME DISC and only denied No 1 in the Ultimate Chart by being No 8 in RR, the chart with the least store returns. So this rule will consistently apply through all the years where any single tops all charts except just one.

[MrTibbs]

Thanks for those links Robbie. Much appreciated.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 4th 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 4th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	1
2	2	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					2	3	2	2	2
3	3	Just One Look - The Hollies					3	4	3	3	3
9	4	I Believe - The Bachelors					4	2	4	6	6
4	5	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					5	5	5	4	4
14	6	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					7	5	6	7	13
6	7	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	7	9	5	5
8	8	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					8	8	7	8	9
11	9	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					9	9	8	9	11
5	10	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					10	10	10	10	7
7	11	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					11	11	11	11	10
10	12	Diane - The Bachelors					12	12	13	13	8
13	13	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					13	14	12	12	14
19	14	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					15	13	14	16	20
12	15	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					14	19	15	14	12
20	16	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					16	16	17	15	18
15	17	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					17	18	18	17	15
16	18	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					18	25	16	18	17
18	19	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					19	22	19	22	16
24	20	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					20	21	20	19	23
17	21	Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					21	20	22	21	22
21	22	Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield					22	23	21	24	19
25	23	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					23	15	25	28	27
22	24	Borne On The Wind - Roy Orbison					24	26	24	29	24
NEW	25	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five						17		30
27	26	All My Loving (EP) - The Beatles					26=		23	27
NEW	27	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					26=		26	20
28	28	If He Tells You - Adam Faith					26=	27		23	25
23	29	Needles And Pins - The Searchers					25	30	30	26	21
NEW	30	New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					30		27	25	30
		Juliet - The Four Pennies						24
		I'm The One - Gerry and The Pacemakers					26=		28		28
		King Of Kings - Ezz Reco and The Launchers						28
		The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones							29
		Eight By Ten - Ken Dodd									26
		Only You - Mark Wynter						29
		As Usual - Brenda Lee									29

[Splodj]

So this rule will consistently apply through all the years where any single tops all charts except just one.

And we all know which 'one' that will be!

[MrTibbs]

Yes I dare say they might have 'one' or more, lol.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 11th April 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 11th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					1	1	1	1	1
6	2	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					2	2	2	2	4
4	3	I Believe - The Bachelors					3	2	3	3	3
2	4	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					4	4	4	4	2
3	5	Just One Look - The Hollies					5	5	5	5	5
5	6	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					7	7	7	8	6
9	7	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					8	8	6	6	9
7	8	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	6	8	7	7
8	9	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					9	9	9	9	8
10	10	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					10	12	10	10	10
14	11	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					11	11	11	11	14
13	12	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					13	15	12	13	12
11	13	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					12	14	14	12	11
23	14	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					14	10	16	15	16
20	15	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					15	16	13	17	15
12	16	Diane - The Bachelors					16	19	15	14	13
16	17	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					17	17	17	18	17
27	18	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					18	18	18	16	18
15	19	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					19	20	20	19	21
17	20	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					20	22	19	20	20
25	21	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					21=	13	24	22	30
18	22	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					21=	28	21	21	19
19	23	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					23	30	22	23	22
30	24	New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					24		23	24	24
21	25	Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					25	25	27	28	26
22	26	Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield					26		25	29	23
NEW	27	Juliet - The Four Pennies					29	21
NEW	28	Think - Brenda Lee					27	24		26
28	29	If He Tells You - Adam Faith					28		26		25
NEW	30	Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker						23
		All My Loving (EP) - The Beatles					30		28	27
		Top 6 No 3 - Various Artists						26
		It's So Nice - The Gamblers						27
		Only You - Mark Wynter								25
		Borne On The Wind - Roy Orbison							30		28
		The Rolling Stones (EP) - The Rolling Stones							29
		Needles And Pins - The Searchers								30	27
		King Of Kings - Ezz Reco and The Launchers						29
		Eight By Ten - Ken Dodd									29

[MrTibbs]

Guys, do you find it helpful to see all the music paper charts and the BBC chart side by side to make comparisons ?

[Splodj]

Definitely, to see the whole picture.

[Robbie]

Yes, I like the layout as it makes it much easier to compare each music paper / BBC chart to the Ultimate Averaged Chart.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Thanks guys above for your response to my question.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 18th April 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 18th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
2	1	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					1	2	1	1	2
1	2	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					2	1	2	3	1
3	3	I Believe - The Bachelors					3	3	3	2	3
4	4	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					4	4	4	4	4
7	5	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					5	5	5	5	7
8	6	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	7	6	6	5
6	7	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					7	9	7	7	8
14	8	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					8	6	9	8	10
5	9	Just One Look - The Hollies					9	10	8	10	6
9	10	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					10	12	10	11	9
15	11	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					11	11	12	12	12
NEW	12	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					12	8	14	9	20
18	13	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					14	15	11	13	13
11	14	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					13	13	13	14	11
21	15	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					16	14	16	15	17
10	16	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					15	16	17	16	14
12	17	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					17	17	15	17	19
17	18	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					19	23	18	21	18
13	19	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					18	26	19	18	15
16	20	Diane - The Bachelors					20	30	20	23	16
27	21	Juliet - The Four Pennies					24	19	27	25
24	22	New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					21		21	22	24
NEW	23	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					22	21	29	20	29
NEW	24	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and The Pacemakers					23	20	30	19
19	25	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					26=	26	24		23
20	26	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					25		22	29	21
NEW	27	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					26=	18		24
28	28	Think - Brenda Lee					28	25	26	27	27
23	29	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					30		23		25
22	30	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					29		25		22
		Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats						22		28
		Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker						24		26
		If He Tells You - Adam Faith							28		26
		Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals						28
		Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield						29		30
		Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield									28
		Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes									30

[membranemusic]

Hello
I would also like to pass my congrats to MrTibbs for his Record Mirror posts – the dealer charts - like Tutankhamun!
In doing the BBC charts, this is an interesting endeavour.

I certainly do not want to 'rock the boat' etc., but I have some observations;
As a weekly chart-watcher since 1962, I was a keen follower of the BBC Master chart, to the extent I took it upon myself eventually to re-calculate the occasional wayward BBC chart compilations. I have all the BBC charts (and most of the calculations) from July 1963 to February 1969. Before July 1963 Messrs Jacobs and Freeman were often coy about Nos. 11-20, hence not complete until then. I also have the calculations of all subsequent weeks from February 1969 until to October 1996.

I am pleased to say your 1/2/64 chart is largely the same.

I think a compiler would have to bear several points in mind:

1. Start date of 28/9/57 [BBC], or 1955?
2. End date of 8/2/69 [BBC], or when there ceased to be any bona fide industry journal rivals to MW [1996]? I am aware of the points-of-view.
3. You will have to decide how to treat joint positions: mathematically logical, yet irrational [e.g. 10/3/63 or 28/3/65, where the BBC chart is joint-crazy];
4. You will have to decide how to treat double-sided hits, as the NME split the sales of A-side and B-side on up to 70 singles between 1952 and 1969, as did MM for a while;
5. You will have to decide how to treat EPs, as RR excluded them from the SP chart because they had their own EP chart;
6. You will have to decide how to treat LPs, as the NME included them in their SP chart from time to time, despite having their own LP chart;
7. You will have to decide how to treat different editions of the same recording on the rare moments when 2 labels had hits with exactly the same recording, and RR separated the sales.
8. You may find that 30 points for No. 1, 29 points for 2, etc. works better than 1 point for No.1 etc when compensatory calculations are required.

Half the fun is the calculation. Good luck!