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  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

    And into the chart comes one of my very favourite singles of 1967, She'd Rather Be With Me from The Turtles. Wonderful stuff !

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 24th 1967. Enjoy !

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 24th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 1 1 1 1 1 19050
    2 2 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 2 2 18415
    6 3 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 3 3 3 3 3 17780
    4 4 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 4 4 6 4 4 16645
    3 5 Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks 5 5 7 5 5 16010
    5 6 The Happening - The Supremes 6= 7 4 7 7 15990
    11 7 Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 6= 6 5 8 6 15925
    12 8 Paper Sun - Traffic 8 8 10 6 8 14305
    10 9 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 9 9 13 11 9 12770
    13 10 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 10 10 12 10 11 12750
    8 11 Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys 11 11 11 12 10 12685
    9 12 Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band 12 14 9 9 13 12630
    16 13 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 13 16 8 13 15 11910
    7 14 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 14 13 15 14 12 10915
    24 15 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 16 12 16 17 16 10225
    17 16 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 15 17 14 15 14 10095
    NEW 17 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 17 15 20 18 19 8270
    27 18 What Good Am I - Cilla Black 20 18 18 16 28 7605
    14 19 Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill 18 22 17 20 18 7505
    20 20 Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs 19 24 19 19 17 6790
    25 21 I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard 22 19 22 21 29 5820
    18 22 The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold 21 27 21 22 20 5135
    NEW 23 Alternate Title - The Monkees 26 21 24 29 30 4035
    30 24 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 23 23 28 23 21 4000
    NEW 25 Strange Brew - Cream 24 20 25 22 3565
    19 26 Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 25 27 25 27 24 3295
    NEW 27 Respect - Aretha Franklin 27 25 27 26 27 3040
    23 28 Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield 29 23 30 26 2525
    15 29 The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 28 29 26 23 2330
    NEW 30 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 30 26 30 24 1950
    Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles 30 200
    Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 29 25 1010
    Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra 28 300
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun October 18, 2020, 12:04.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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    • One of the great injustices in these charts is the Association - Windy not making the top 50 of any of the charts. It reached only the breakers of RR, but made number 15 in the Real Chart. It should have been in the top 30 over the next few weeks of these charts.
      I know that Alan Smith said that each chart used different shops, but the fact that there is not a great deal of difference with them and records missing out that did sell large enough quantities to at least make the top 50 on some of the charts, implies that many shops supplied the same papers with lists.
      Another thing that is odd too is that one of the contributors to this thread mentioned a Council auditing the charts! That's seem very strange that a public authority would do something like that as all the charts were produced by profit making commercial companies! I assume that the Council was paid the going rate and it wasn't done using the rate payers money. But even so should it even been undertaken by the Council in the first place? Wasn't the Council muscling in on a commercial auditing firms in doing so?
      Can you see that happening today?
      Though we think Council's are above board now (they aren't of course), the 60's Council's were not that squeaky clean at all. For example it is known that several commercial concrete firms had their hands in Council pots, and you only have to look around most towns and cities to see the over use of concrete!
      So rather than justifying the charts a Council auditing was by today's standards on dodgy grounds. But fine then.
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 1st 1967. Enjoy !

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 1st 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
        1 1 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 1 1 1 1 1 19050
        2 2 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 2 2 18415
        3 3 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 3 3 3 3 3 17780
        7 4 Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 4= 5 4 5 4 16845
        8 5 Paper Sun - Traffic 4= 4 5 4 5 16810
        17 6 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 6 7 6 7 6 15575
        23 7 Alternate Title - The Monkees 7 6 7 9 7 15240
        10 8 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 8 8 8 8 8 14605
        4 9 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 9 9 12 6 9 13520
        6 10 The Happening - The Supremes 10 11 9 10 10 13385
        15 11 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 11 10 10 11 14 12895
        13 12 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 12 14 11 12 12 11915
        16 13 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 13 16 13 13 11 11000
        5 14 Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks 14= 12 15 15 15 10760
        9 15 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 14= 13 17 14 13 10330
        11 16 Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys 16 19 14 17 16 9325
        12 17 Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band 17 23 16 16 18 7955
        24 18 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 18 18 21 18 17 7590
        30 19 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 19 17 20 20 20 7585
        25 20 Strange Brew - Cream 20 15 23 21 19 7220
        18 21 What Good Am I - Cilla Black 21 21 18 19 24 7045
        19 22 Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill 22= 25 19 24 22 5665
        14 23 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 22= 22 22 23 23 5530
        27 24 Respect - Aretha Franklin 24 20 24 22 25 5360
        20 25 Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs 25 24 26 25 21 4100
        21 26 I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard 26 26 25 26 26 3425
        NEW 27 See Emily Play - Pink Floyd 27 27 27 29 28 2255
        22 28 The First Cut Is The Deepest - P.P. Arnold 28 28 28 27 1390
        28 29 Give Me Time - Dusty Springfield 30 29 29 670
        29 30 The Wind Cries Mary - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 28 600
        Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) - The Beatles 30 200
        Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips 29 27 30 485
        Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw 29 400
        Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 30 250
        When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes 30 100
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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        • Brian, simply for tidying up - should be Supremes at 6 on 24-June.

          Comment


          • Thanks Splodj, I took a look and thought The Supremes are at 6, then noticed I had, The Happening by The Happening lol, have corrected that, thanks for picking it up
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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            • I wonder how Cashbox compiled their British chart. Alan Smith says it was a composite topped up with small-scale sampling.

              However the Cashbox Top 20 does not bear such a striking similarity to the BBC chart as the Pop Weekly Top 30 which was supposed to be compiled in the same way (but ended in Nov-65). Looking at the 1-Jul-67 Cashbox the chart appears to be comparable to w/e 24-June published UK ones, evidenced by The Turtles entering at 16, but there are significant differences. For example, it has the Kinks at 3 instead of 5 or 7.

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              • If I remember correctly I think Dave Taylor once told me Cashbox compiled an averaged chart of their own and then added a random sample of some stores on top of this to get their chart but it was usually a week behind which would tie in with what you said Splodj.
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                  I could never understand why EMI in the UK went with Let's Pretend for Lulu instead of To Sir With Love,
                  a USA #1 for 5 weeks and the biggest selling single in the U.S. of 1967. A very strange mistake.

                  But, meantime here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 8th 1967. Enjoy !

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 8th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                  1 1 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                  2 2 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                  7 3 Alternate Title - The Monkees 3 3 3 3 3 17780
                  3 4 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 4= 5 4 4 5 16860
                  6 5 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 4= 4 5 5 4 16795
                  5 6 Paper Sun - Traffic 6 6 7 6 8 15455
                  4 7 Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 7 7 6 8 7 15390
                  8 8 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 8 8 9 7 9 14370
                  19 9 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 9 9 10 9 6 13975
                  11 10 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 10 10 8 10 12 13665
                  12 11 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 11 11 11 12 16 12175
                  13 12 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 12 14 13 15 10 11285
                  20 13 Strange Brew - Cream 13 12 15 11 18 10905
                  10 14 The Happening - The Supremes 14 17 12 13 14 10795
                  18 15 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 15 13 14 17 15 10610
                  9 16 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 17 15 16 14 20 9585
                  24 17 Respect - Aretha Franklin 16 16 18 16 11 9450
                  15 18 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 18 19 19 19 13 8130
                  27 19 See Emily Play - Pink Floyd 19 18 20 18 17 7840
                  14 20 Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks 20 20 17 20 23 7480
                  21 21 What Good Am I - Cilla Black 22= 21 21 21 5500
                  17 22 Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band 21 22 24 22 19 5470
                  16 23 Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys 25 24 23 25 24 4595
                  26 24 I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard 26 25 22 23 27 4590
                  22 25 Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill 22= 23 25 24 22 4565
                  NEW 26 Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips 24 30 26 29 21 2500
                  23 27 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 27 29 27 26 25 2410
                  NEW 28 Let's Pretend - Lulu 28 27 30 28 30 1435
                  NEW 29 Claire - Paul and Barry Ryan 30 26 30 1100
                  NEW 30 Shake - Otis Redding 29 29 27 29 1070
                  Night Of The Long Grass - The Troggs 28 750
                  Annabella - John Walker 28 600
                  Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck 26 425
                  When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes 28 255
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                  • I could never understand why EMI in the UK went with Let's Pretend for Lulu instead of To Sir With Love,
                    a USA #1 for 5 weeks and the biggest selling single in the U.S. of 1967. A very strange mistake.
                    Actually Brian that's an easy one to understand. The film wasn't released in the UK till November of 1967, so the public would have not known in July the connection of the song to the movie.
                    The film was much bigger in the states than it was here. Due to the fact that a black teacher was teaching white kids. Although the UK had it's element of racism, there were no laws telling black people that they couldn't mix with white people. It was the reason why the film was shot in the UK and not the USA. Even though he was clearly an American actor, which would have been odd for an American black teacher to be teaching in the UK, unless he came to the UK to train to be a teacher! It would have been hard to get the teaching qualifications (being black) in the USA, though not impossible. But it was clearly the intention of the film to highlight the silly laws of the USA, not to get caught up in reality.
                    Lulu admitted herself that she was just playing herself in the film. It was a bit ironic really as Lulu missed some school later in life, so much so that the school bobby came knocking on the door and Lulu's mum answered the question "Why hasn't she been at school?" With "She's a pop star".
                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                    • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                      I believe Whiter Shade sold more over the weeks it thankfully kept Engelbert from No 1 but Engelbert picked up more sales overall by hanging around the chart for longer.
                      Yeah Splodj when I visited the newspaper library at Colindale a while back to copy all the chart positions I was well into 1969 copying the Disc chart before I realised it was the same as MM.
                      If it wasn't for A Whiter Shade Of Pale Engelbert would have emulated Gerry & The Pacemakers in getting his first three hits to Number One.

                      Ironically the classically influenced AWSOP also owed much of its success to the older record buyer...

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                      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                        There are 15 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 15th 1967. Enjoy !

                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 15th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                        1 1 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 1 3 2 1 1 18400
                        3 2 Alternate Title - The Monkees 2 2 1 3 3 18580
                        NEW 3 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 3 1 3 6 2 17965
                        2 4 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 4= 5 4 5 4 16845
                        5 5 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 4= 4 5 4 5 16810
                        9 6 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 6 6 6 3 6 16175
                        4 7 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 7 7 7 7 7 15240
                        6 8 Paper Sun - Traffic 9= 8 8 8 15 14010
                        8 9 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 9= 9 9 10 11 13700
                        19 10 See Emily Play - Pink Floyd 8 10 10 9 8 13605
                        10 11 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 11 11 11 13 14 12245
                        15 12 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 13 12 12 12 18 11555
                        17 13 Respect - Aretha Franklin 12 15 15 11 10 10985
                        7 14 Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 14= 13 13 14 19 10820
                        13 15 Strange Brew - Cream 16 14 14 15 17 10440
                        12 16 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 14= 17 17 16 9 9670
                        11 17 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 17 16 16 18 20 8985
                        14 18 The Happening - The Supremes 18 20 18 17 16 8125
                        18 19 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 19 22 20 19 12 7365
                        26 20 Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips 21 19 19 20 22 7265
                        NEW 21 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 20 18 26 21 13 6380
                        16 22 Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 22 27 21 23 23 4780
                        28 23 Let's Pretend - Lulu 23 30 23 22 3100
                        NEW 24 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 26= 28 22 30 2950
                        30 25 Shake - Otis Redding 25 24 30 28 28 2205
                        24 26 I'll Come Running - Cliff Richard 28 24 26 2175
                        NEW 27 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 29= 21 2000
                        21 28 What Good Am I - Cilla Black 29= 25 27 1900
                        NEW 29 Annabella - John Walker 26= 25 24 1900
                        NEW 30 When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes 24 29 26 21 1750
                        Claire - Paul and Barry Ryan 23 1600
                        Roses Of Picardy - Vince Hill 29= 28 24 1345
                        Finchley Central - The New Vaudeville Band 29 25 1100
                        Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers 26 1000
                        Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks 27 1000
                        You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra 25 510
                        Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 27 340
                        Marta - The Bachelors 29 200
                        With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea 29 170
                        Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners 30 85
                        Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed January 13, 2021, 14:15.
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

                        Comment


                        • I don't know what RR had against the excellent 'Paper Sun'.

                          RR placed it at 15 this week when the others had it at 8, then next week plunged it down to 37.

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                          • Yeah yet another one of those big RR chart anomalies and proof the sample size was totally inadequate and not robust enough.
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                            • Is this not the time when Record Retailer was having problems getting dealer returns on time? I think Record Retailer changed its publication day and there were a few charts compiled in July and August 1967 that were compiled using a much lower number of returns. The RR chart became very volatile for a short while. One of the records to have a bizarre RR chart run ('With A Little Help From My Friends' by Young Idea) is new at number 29. The Mike Sammes Singers will soon chart on RR with 'Somewhere My Love' and that too has a bizarre chart run. I'm thinking that perhaps the dealers that did get returns in on time were perhaps selling more MOR type records.

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                              • If NME and DISC allowed advance orders to influence who was at number one, how come All You Need Is Love is no. 1 in NME but only no. 6 in DISC?
                                Or was this practice discontinued at some stage?
                                The advance orders were 300,000 by the day of release.

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                                • Yes Robbie, I think the week of the 15th saw the start of the effect of this reduction in store returns affecting a chart that already had the lowest number of store returns anyway. You can see one early example of this epitomised in Splodj's comment above whereas Traffic were 8 8 8 in three music papers and 15 in RR and obviously way off the mark.

                                  RR's chart got even worse on the 22nd and 29th with chart positions all over the place. I actually seriously considered not including RR in the averaging process for these weeks due to this.
                                  I actually made a comment on the chart for 22nd July, which you are due to see next that RR positions are 'all over the place'.

                                  Brian, the difference could possibly be due to either Disc having discontinued by now to use advanced orders or that it was because Disc used a smaller sample size of store returns than NME.
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                                  • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                    If NME and DISC allowed advance orders to influence who was at number one, how come All You Need Is Love is no. 1 in NME but only no. 6 in DISC?
                                    Or was this practice discontinued at some stage?
                                    The advance orders were 300,000 by the day of release.
                                    The Beatles track was released on Friday of the chart week, two days of sales. Advanced orders would have shown up the week before, making the single enter before it was released.
                                    Both NME and Disc only got a return of the most popular 50 record that a shop was saying it was selling. This is why some of them added albums to the list, but some stuck to the concept of 45rpm only. Depending on how the dealer filled in the form a record could have placed at 49 on one list and 1 on another. Though in both stores that record sold the most in both stores. A large store might for example run out of stock and place the record at 20. But the actual numbers of copies sold in that store might have outsold any number one in four other stores that were smaller.
                                    The actual sale of the Beatles that week was 210,000 of course going straight in at the top.
                                    Generally a point system works, giving reasonably correct positions for some records, but it has two problems. One is distribution. Stores will say a record is selling well, but actually they don't have enough copies to maintain the positions that a points system will give the record. For example a record at 30 going down might be in actual sales 49. Second is store size. As above a large store can shift more copies of some singles than many small scale shops put together. But the points system treats them as equal. Balancing out the charts using several charts is great, but the problem is when there is no agreement. The Beatles could have been between One and Six that week, but only the NME was right, that week. So it's no surprise that Brian has it three, halfway point!
                                    For example if today the same method was employed on download charts. Amazon would have equal footing with iTunes. And when the OCC was still doing download charts only, we know that you could be the top in Amazon (exclusive) and not show up in the top 100 best sellers.
                                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                    • The actual sale of the Beatles that week was 210,000 of course going straight in at the top.
                                      Fascinating! Where did you get that information from? What is your source??

                                      A large store might for example run out of stock
                                      Unlikely, after 2 days. They would have sufficient records in stock knowing it was by the Beatles (and it had been featured in the worldwide TV program). With 300,000 advance orders there would have been plenty of records in all stores, assuming a good EMI distribution system.

                                      It is more likely that both NME and DISC had discontinued their advance orders policy. But we will see the situation in December 1967 (and how an EP got into the singles chart).

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                                      • Graham76man
                                        Graham76man commented
                                        Editing a comment
                                        Sales figures from The Real Chart.
                                        300,000 copies ordered. For at least 8,000 shops. That's 37 in each shop!
                                        I can imagine some manager on the phone, "what's the idea sending me 25 copies of the Beatles!"

                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                      Seeing the charts lined up side by side lays bare just how out of sync RR is with the others on some records due to the drop in store returns.
                                      Also there are 17 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 22nd 1967. Enjoy !


                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 22nd 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                      3 1 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                      2 2 Alternate Title - The Monkees 2 2 2 2 2 18415
                                      6 3 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 3 3 3 4 3 17680
                                      1 4 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 4 5 5 3 4 16795
                                      5 5 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 5 4 4 5 7 16790
                                      4 6 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 6 6 7 6 6 15625
                                      21 7 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 7 7 8 7 5 15160
                                      10 8 See Emily Play - Pink Floyd 8 8 6 8 8 15105
                                      7 9 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 10 9 9 10 19 13020
                                      13 10 Respect - Aretha Franklin 9 10 12 9 16 12425
                                      9 11 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 12 11 10 11 22 12015
                                      12 12 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 11 14 13 15 12 11115
                                      11 13 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 13 12 15 14 17 10690
                                      15 14 Strange Brew - Cream 14 16 14 12 18 10255
                                      8 15 Paper Sun - Traffic 16 13 11 16 10100
                                      16 16 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 15 23 18 13 9 8520
                                      20 17 Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips 17 17 20 21 15 7910
                                      23 18 Let's Pretend - Lulu 19 18 16 20 7450
                                      NEW 19 Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers 20 20 22 18 26 6175
                                      NEW 20 You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra 18 21 25 23 11 6000
                                      17 21 Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 21 27 19 19 24 5595
                                      24 22 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 22 21 21 24 5200
                                      14 23 Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 23= 26 17 25 5100
                                      27 24 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 23= 15 26 27 4850
                                      19 25 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 23= 24 23 22 30 4385
                                      NEW 26 Tonight In Tokyo - Sandie Shaw 27 25 28 21 2800
                                      18 27 The Happening - The Supremes 28= 24 26 25 2760
                                      NEW 28 Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies 28 27 29 23 2480
                                      NEW 29 Tramp - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas 19 2400
                                      NEW 30 With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea 26 10 1785
                                      * RR is all over the place this week due to a problem with store returns but the Ultimate Averaged Chart does a much better job than the BBC chart does by producing a much more balanced chart.
                                      007 - Desmond Dekker 28= 17 27 1740
                                      When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes 28= 13 1530
                                      Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 14 1445
                                      Marta - The Bachelors 30 20 1035
                                      Shake - Otis Redding 30 28 28 805
                                      Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes 29 500
                                      Trying To Forget - Jim Reeves 29 400
                                      Annabella - John Walker 30 200
                                      Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas 29 170
                                      Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun November 8, 2020, 19:31.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                      • At least RR got the no. 1 correct!
                                        Surprise that the Young Idea were at no. 10 in RR.

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                                        • Yip, The Young Idea jumped from 29 to 10 on RR, then the following week will drop from 10 right out of the Top 30 on RR.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                          • Very strange indeed.
                                            A great song - wonder who did the original version!!

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                                            • It came from The Beatles Sgt. Pepper album Brian. Ringo sang it but it had lots of cover versions.
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                              • Anyone remember Sham 69's version?

                                                Followed the "get the worst singer in the band to perform it" example....from a much lower baseline.....
                                                Last edited by Metalweb; Tue October 20, 2020, 00:34.

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                                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                  There are 10 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 29th 1967. Enjoy !

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 29th 1967 NME MM DISC RR Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 100 85 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                  1 1 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 1 19050
                                                  7 2 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 2 2 2 2 3 18330
                                                  3 3 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 3 3 3 3 2 17865
                                                  2 4 Alternate Title - The Monkees 4 4 4 4 4 17145
                                                  5 5 She'd Rather Be With Me - The Turtles 5 5 6 5 5 16260
                                                  8 6 See Emily Play - Pink Floyd 6 8 5 6 6 15725
                                                  4 7 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 7 6 7 8 7 15340
                                                  6 8 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 8 7 8 7 8 14905
                                                  28 9 Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies 9 10 9 10 10 13585
                                                  19 10 Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann - Singers 10 9 11 12 9 13170
                                                  18 11 Let's Pretend - Lulu 11 12 10 11 11 12750
                                                  10 12 Respect - Aretha Franklin 12 13 12 9 12 12165
                                                  24 13 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 13 11 15 15 23 10280
                                                  11 14 Groovin' - The Young Rascals 16 17 14 21 15 9410
                                                  17 15 Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me - Gladys Knight and The Pips 14 19 16 17 13 9080
                                                  20 16 You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra 15 18 18 13 17 8840
                                                  9 17 Carrie Anne - The Hollies 17 21 13 22 16 8675
                                                  12 18 Seven Rooms Of Gloom - The Four Tops 18 22 17 14 19 8020
                                                  22 19 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 20 15 21 28 20 6935
                                                  NEW 20 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 19 14 26 19 21 6700
                                                  16 21 If I Were A Rich Man - Topol 23 20 23 20 27 5640
                                                  13 22 Here Comes The Nice - The Small Faces 22 27 20 24 18 5355
                                                  29 23 Tramp - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas 25 16 27 27 26 4825
                                                  26 24 Tonight In Tokyo - Sandie Shaw 24 22 16 22 4515
                                                  NEW 25 007 - Desmond Dekker 21 24 18 14 4145
                                                  14 26 Strange Brew - Cream 26 19 23 29 3970
                                                  NEW 27 Marta / My World - The Bachelors 27 26 25 25 28 3355
                                                  15 28 Paper Sun - Traffic 29= 25 24 2950
                                                  RE 29 Annabella - John Walker 28 23 25 2110
                                                  RE 30 When You're Young And In Love - The Marvelettes 29= 30 26 24 1295
                                                  Don't Sleep In The Subway - Petula Clark 28 30 835
                                                  Trying To Forget - Jim Reeves 28 600
                                                  With A Little Help From My Friends - The Young Idea 29 30 500
                                                  Okay - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 29 500
                                                  Shake - Otis Redding 30 250
                                                  The Happening - The Supremes 29 200


                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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