The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[kjell]

Thinking ahead you’ve done almost one third of the total time span for the multiple charts era prior to the official charts gaining accuracy. In addition there’s the continuation of your RM project. After all you have so much to do that it would be wrong to reduce your enthusiasm by slowing you down. Then winter’s just around the corner with more time to sit indoors by my computer. Keep up the good work at present speed Brian, I’ll make a priority out of studying your postings twice a day.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Ok, I will continue to post 1/2 charts per day depending on my time availability.

Guys, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 16th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 16th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					2	2	2	2	15515
4	3	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					3	3	3	4	14895
3	4	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					4	4	4	3	14530
12	5	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					5	5	5	6	13825
5	6	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					6	6	6	7	13290
6	7	We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones					8	7	7	10	12585
14	8	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					7	8	8	5	12560
9	9	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					9	10	10	9	11320
11	10	Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys					10	13	9	8	11055
7	11	The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set					11	11	11	12	10615
18	12	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					12	9	13	13	10430
8	13	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					13	12	12	11	10250
15	14	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					14	14	14	14	9095
10	15	Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees					15	16	15	17	8190
16	16	The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					16	15	16	19	7970
23	17	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					17	17	18	16	7325
13	18	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					18	20	17	15	7060
NEW	19	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					19	18	19	20	6535
21	20	You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge					20	22	20	18	5655
22	21	Creeque Alley - The Mamas And Papas					21	23	21	21	4950
29	22	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					22	21	24	22	4515
25	23	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					23	19	26	23	4330
20	24	Gin House - Amen Corner					24	25	23	25	3710
17	25	Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers					26	28	22	29	3020
19	26	Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies					25	27	25	26	2725
New	27	Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals					28	24			1400
28	28	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					27		28	24	1345
24	29	It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr					29		27	28	1255
27	30	You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra					30	30	29	27	1040
		You're My Everything - The Temptations						26			1000
		Massachusetts - The Bee Gees						28			600
		A Bad Night - Cat Stevens							30	30	335

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 23rd 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 23rd 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	1	1	16050
3	2	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					2	2	2	2	15515
5	3	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					3	3	3	3	14980
2	4	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					4	4	4	5	14360
8	5	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					5	5	5	4	13995
12	6	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					6	6	6	7	13290
4	7	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					7	7	7	6	12925
19	8	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					8	8	8	8	12305
6	9	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					9	9	10	11	11350
9	10	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					12	10	12	14	10395
10	11	Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys					11	15	9	12	10315
14	12	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					14	12	11	15	10160
23	13	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					10	11	15	10	9785
7	14	We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones					13	13	14	9	9720
17	15	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					15	14	13	13	9430
13	16	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					16	16	16	16	8025
11	17	The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set					17	18	17	17	7290
16	18	The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					18	17	19	19	6820
22	19	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					19	20	20	18	6055
15	20	Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees					20	23	18	22	5615
20	21	You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge					21	24	21	20	4835
27	22	Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals					23	21	25	26	3925
NEW	23	The Letter - The Box Tops					22	22	26	24	3645
NEW	24	Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride					24	25	24	25	3460
NEW	25	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					26	19	27		3400
18	26	All You Need Is Love - The Beatles					25		22	21	3100
21	27	Creeque Alley - The Mamas And Papas					27		23	27	2340
28	28	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					28	27	28	29	1720
NEW	29	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					29	26		28	1255
25	30	Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers						29	29		900
		The World We Knew - Frank Sinatra						28	30		850
		Gin House - Amen Corner					30			23	680
		You're My Everything - The Temptations						30			200
		From The Underworld - The Herd								30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 30th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 30th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					2	2	2	2	15515
8	3	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					3	3	3	3	14980
6	4	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					4	4	4	5	14360
3	5	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					5	6	6	4	13545
5	6	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					6	7	5	6	13425
13	7	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					7	5	7	7	13240
4	8	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					8	8	8	8	12305
15	9	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					9	9	9	11	11600
7	10	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					10	10	10	9	11320
12	11	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					11	11	11	10	10785
9	12	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					12	15	12	12	9565
10	13	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					14	14	13	16	9175
23	14	The Letter - The Box Tops					13	12	17	14	8745
19	15	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					16	16	15	18	8105
25	16	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					15	13	18	17	8040
14	17	We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones					18	18	16	15	7710
11	18	Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys					17	22	14	13	7580
16	19	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					19	23	19	19	5620
24	20	Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride					23	20	21	26	5125
18	21	The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					21	25	20	20	4885
22	22	Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals					20	21	23	21	4850
29	23	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					22	19	24	24	4745
NEW	24	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					24	17	26	29	4220
17	25	The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set					26		22	23	2930
NEW	26	From The Underworld - The Herd					25	23	30	22	2615
21	27	You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge					27	28	25	25	2610
20	28	Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees					28		27	28	1255
NEW	29	The Letter - The Mindbenders					29	26			1000
28	30	There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck					30	27		30	885
		The World We Knew - Frank Sinatra							28		750
		You're My Everything - The Temptations							29		500
		King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies						29			400
		All You Need Is Love - The Beatles								27	340
		Try My World - Georgie Fame						30			200

[Splodj]

Radio 1 up and running, with the full BBC Top 30 now being featured.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
At Last in comes You're My Everything from The Temptations. David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks swopping vocals. Stunning Toon !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 7th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 7th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	1	1	16050
3	2	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					2	3	2	2	15315
7	3	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					3	2	3	3	15180
4	4	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					4	4	4	5	14360
2	5	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					5	6	5	4	13795
16	6	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					6	5	6	6	13575
9	7	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					8	7	7	11	12500
5	8	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					7	8	9	7	12140
6	9	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					9	9	8	8	12105
14	10	The Letter - The Box Tops					10	10	10	9	11320
11	11	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					11	11	11	10	10785
8	12	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					12	12	13	13	9830
15	13	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					14	13	12	19	9370
13	14	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					13	17	14	12	8665
10	15	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					15	15	15	14	8645
23	16	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					16	14	16	15	8510
24	17	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					17	16	18	16	7525
26	18	From The Underworld - The Herd					18	18	22	18	5955
20	19	Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride					21	20	21	23	5380
22	20	Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals					19	23	20	20	5285
12	21	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					20	29	17	17	5090
18	22	Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys					22	27	19	21	4650
NEW	23	King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies					23	21	26	22	4015
NEW	24	You're My Everything - The Temptations					24	22	25	30	3385
NEW	25	Homburg - Procol Harum					26	18	30		2850
21	26	The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					27	28	24	27	2690
17	27	We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones					25		23	24	2595
NEW	28	Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill					28	24		28	1655
19	29	I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder					29		27	25	1510
NEW	30	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					30	25			1200
		You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw						26			1000
		You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge							28	29	920
		The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set							29		500
		There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck								26	425
		Try My World - Georgie Fame						29			400
		The Letter - The Mindbenders						29			400

[Metalweb]

Radio 1 up and running, with the full BBC Top 30 now being featured.

Does anyone really know why Flowers In The Rain was the first record played on Radio One? Received wisdom is that the current Number One would have been spun had it not been the manifestly unsuitable Engelbert. The Move, at Number Two, were the next best thing...

Tony Blackburn denies this - he claims the opening day situation was chaotic and he just grabbed the nearest single to hand....

[Graham76man]

What is least known is the that the record jumped and was knackered on the first play of it!
It depends when Tony did denie this. It's funny sometimes how people alter history to suit what is happening at the point they change their mind about events. All radio shows on the BBC had a producer and they had control of the playlist and what was in the show. Tony of course could say what he wanted within limits. But the BBC controlled what he played.
If he retracted the statement years later it might be that other things came into play. Such as not upsetting fans of Engelbert, or even Engelbert himself.

[MrTibbs]

I think your theory may well be correct. It would have been the obvious thing to do opening the new station with the #1 record, but not Engelbert, as it didn't fit with the new stations ideology so the logical choice was the next best thing #2, The Move.

Of course it would never be 'the nearest single to hand, the programme then as now would already be playlisted.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 14 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 14th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 14th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	1	3	15880
6	2	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					2	2	3	1	15350
3	3	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					3	3	2	4	15145
2	4	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					4	4	4	2	14615
4	5	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					5	5	5	8	13655
7	6	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					6	6	6	7	13290
10	7	The Letter - The Box Tops					7	7	7	6	12925
5	8	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					8	8	8	5	12560
8	9	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					9	9	9	10	11685
18	10	From The Underworld - The Herd					10	10	14	11	10150
9	11	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					12	14	11	12	10015
11	12	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					13	15	10	14	9895
13	13	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					15	13	12	15	9710
25	14	Homburg - Procol Harum					11	11	16	9	9620
17	15	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					14	12	15	13	9330
16	16	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					16	16	13	16	8775
12	17	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					18	17	18	22	6815
23	18	King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies					17	18	19	18	6705
14	19	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					19	23	17	17	6290
15	20	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					21	26	21	20	4435
30	21	Baby Now I've Found You - The Foundations					20	20	26	21	4300
19	22	Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride					22	27	22	19	4070
20	23	Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals					24	28	20	25	3860
NEW	24	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					23	21	27	23	3680
28	25	Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill					25	22	28	24	3145
24	26	You're My Everything - The Temptations					26	25	25	26	3125
NEW	27	Playground - Anita Harris					27	19			2400
22	28	Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys					28		23	28	2255
21	29	Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes					30	30	24	29	2120
NEW	30	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					29	23	29		2100
		You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops						29			400
		There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck								27	340
		We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones							30		250
		Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers								30	85

[Graham76man]

The massive sales of Anita's first track were talked about in the Music Press at the time as killing of the sales of Playground. And they did. The previous single Just Loving You would go on to sell a million. But when I download the track of Amazon recently it was from an album called "forgotten songs.."
And yes it is!!!

[Splodj]

Tony Blackburn's breakfast show followed the Radio London format whereby the playlist sequence was the same each day. Thereby hits (1-10, 11-20 and 21-30), new releases and oldies were played in the same spots each day. The first record was a 1-10 hit, the second record was a 11-20 hit etc.

So in selecting records for the first day the Move record was a highly likely choice as the opener being the fastest riser in the Top 10. The Bees Gees as a riser in the 11-20 section was similarly a likely second record.

(So many know the first record that the pub quiz question now tends to be 'What was the second record?')

Blackburn recalls how someone came up to him and said "Your show is the same every day" and he replied "You are the only one to have noticed!" But I suspect there were quite a few of us who had also noticed.

[Splodj]

The massive sales of Anita's first track were talked about in the Music Press at the time as killing of the sales of Playground. And they did. The previous single Just Loving You would go on to sell a million. But when I download the track of Amazon recently it was from an album called "forgotten songs.."
And yes it is!!!

Just Loving You was like one those people who call on you and then just hang around, ignoring hints to leave.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

The Herd and The Kinks .. 2 other fine examples on the chart of 1967 brilliance.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 21st 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 21st 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					1	1	1	1	16050
1	2	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	3	15430
3	3	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					3	3	3	2	15065
4	4	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					4	4	4	4	14445
6	5	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					5	5	5	7	13740
7	6	The Letter - The Box Tops					6	6	6	5	13460
14	7	Homburg - Procol Harum					7	7	7	6	12925
10	8	From The Underworld - The Herd					8	9	8	8	12105
5	9	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					9	8	9	10	11885
8	10	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					10	11	10	9	11120
21	11	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					11	10	11	13	10730
15	12	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					12	13	13	11	9800
16	13	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					14	14	12	18	9255
30	14	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					13	12	17	14	8745
12	15	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					16	17	14	15	8410
13	16	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					17	15	16	16	8225
9	17	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					15	16	18	12	7865
18	18	King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies					18	18	15	20	7535
11	19	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					19	19	19	17	6590
19	20	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					20	23	21	21	4950
24	21	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					21	27	20	19	4570
26	22	You're My Everything - The Temptations					22	24	22	26	4075
17	23	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones					23	25	25	22	3465
NEW	24	You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops					25	20	28	28	3205
22	25	Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride					24	28	23	24	3195
NEW	26	Autumn Almanac - The Kinks					28	21	29		2500
20	27	San Francisco - Scott McKenzie					27		24	25	2260
25	28	Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill					26		26	23	1930
27	29	Playground - Anita Harris					29	22			1800
NEW	30	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					30	26	30	29	1420
		Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals							27	27	1340
		I Can See For Miles - The Who						29			400
		Love Is All Around - The Troggs						30			200
		World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner								30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 15 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 28th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 28th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					2	2	2	2	15515
3	3	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					3	3	3	3	14980
11	4	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					4	4	4	4	14445
7	5	Homburg - Procol Harum					5	5	6	9	13320
5	6	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					6	6	5	10	13285
6	7	The Letter - The Box Tops					7	8	8	6	12475
14	8	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					8	7	9	7	12340
8	9	From The Underworld - The Herd					10	10	7	8	12155
4	10	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					9	9	10	5	11860
9	11	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					11	11	12	11	10450
12	12	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					12	12	11	12	10415
13	13	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					13	13	13	14	9545
10	14	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					14	14	14	13	9180
26	15	Autumn Almanac - The Kinks					15	17	18	15	7410
21	16	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					17	22	15	20	6735
18	17	King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies					16	20	17	19	6720
16	18	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					18	18	19	21	6450
15	19	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					19	25	16	18	6055
NEW	20	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					23	14	25	28	5155
NEW	21	San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals					22	20	23	23	4880
20	22	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					20	24	22	17	4840
17	23	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					21	29	20	16	4425
24	24	You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops					24	23	24	26	3775
NEW	25	I Can See For Miles - The Who					26	16	29		3500
19	26	Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men					25		21	22	3265
NEW	27	There Is A Mountain - Donovan					28	19			2400
NEW	28	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					27	26	28	27	2090
22	29	You're My Everything - The Temptations					29	28	26	30	1935
30	30	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey						30	27	29	1370
		I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder						27			800
		World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner					30			24	595
		Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill								25	510
		I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones							30		250

[kjell]

The number of differences clearly documents the need for this thread.

[MrTibbs]

What I like is the fact that the differences are just a place or two which evidences that the addition of store returns is just fine tuning the chart and ironing out ties rather than radically changing it.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 4th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 4th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					1	1	1	1	16050
4	2	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					2	2	2	2	15515
8	3	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					3	3	4	3	14730
2	4	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					4	4	3	4	14695
3	5	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					5	5	5	5	13910
5	6	Homburg - Procol Harum					6	7	6	7	13090
9	7	From The Underworld - The Herd					7	8	7	6	12725
6	8	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					8	6	8	11	12450
7	9	The Letter - The Box Tops					10	9	9	10	11685
15	10	Autumn Almanac - The Kinks					9	10	10	8	11405
10	11	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					11	11	11	9	10870
12	12	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					12	17	12	12	9165
11	13	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					14	13	14	17	9040
20	14	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					13	12	16	16	8825
13	15	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					15	16	15	13	8530
21	16	San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals					16	15	17	15	8060
16	17	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					18	18	13	22	7865
25	18	I Can See For Miles - The Who					17	19	18	21	6500
27	19	There Is A Mountain - Donovan					19	14	24	18	6255
22	20	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					20	20	19	19	6220
28	21	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					21	21	20	20	5685
14	22	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					22	27	22	14	4495
18	23	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					23	25	23	23	3880
17	24	King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies					24	28	21	25	3610
24	25	You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops					25	22	27	27	3140
30	26	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					26	24	26	28	2905
19	27	The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard					27	30	25	24	2295
29	28	You're My Everything - The Temptations					30	23	30		1850
NEW	29	I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder					29	25	29	30	1785
23	30	Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces					28	29	28	26	1575
		World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner								29	170

[Graham76man]

Shirley Bassey despite it being one of her most well known songs doesn't even go top ten on any chart. Thanks to Lou Grade, who refused to let her do Top of The Pops!

[braindeadpj]

Looking at the differences from the BBC Chart for the 4th November, they are mainly due to the records being tied on points and the BBC 'promoting' the climber compared to the previous week. The exception is the Who which must have been a miscalculation (or bias?) as they have less points than Sandie Shaw.

[braindeadpj]

For some reason the previous message appeared twice, so I'm editing this one to say that the differences from the BBC chart for the October 28th appear to be differences in points rather than tiebreakers etc.

[Graham76man]

Brian if you get repeated post which you can't delete yourself, just message a moderator and they will do it for you.

[MrTibbs]

Yeah Brain, the BBC continued to be inconsistent on applying tiebreakers.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Another 2 excellent records debut this week on the chart, Long John Baldry and The Dave Clark Five. Eccellente Toons !

There are again 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 11th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 11th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					1	1	1	1	16050
1	2	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					2	2	2	2	15515
3	3	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					3	3	3	3	14980
4	4	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					4	4	4	4	14445
10	5	Autumn Almanac - The Kinks					5	5	5	5	13910
14	6	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					6	6	6	7	13290
8	7	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					7	7	7	10	12585
7	8	From The Underworld - The Herd					8	8	11	6	11725
6	9	Homburg - Procol Harum					9	12	8	9	11420
5	10	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					10	10	9	11	11400
19	11	There Is A Mountain - Donovan					12	9	10	14	11095
16	12	San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals					11	11	12	8	10705
18	13	I Can See For Miles - The Who					13	13	13	13	9630
11	14	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					14	16	14	12	8865
17	15	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					15	14	15	18	8505
9	16	The Letter - The Box Tops					16	17	18	15	7410
21	17	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					17	18	17	16	7375
12	18	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					18	21	16	19	6770
20	19	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					19	22	20	17	5740
NEW	20	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					22	15	21		5700
15	21	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					20	24	19	20	5335
13	22	Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					21	23	22	21	4700
NEW	23	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five					23	19	24	26	4575
NEW	24	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					26	20	26	28	3705
26	25	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					25	27	23	23	3480
29	26	I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder					24	25	25	22	3465
23	27	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners					27	28	27	24	2195
NEW	28	I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor					28	26	29	25	2010
25	29	You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops					29	29	28	27	1490
22	30	Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West					30		30	29	420
		You're My Everything - The Temptations						30			200
		King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies								30	85

[Graham76man]

Long John Baldry was featured every week on Top of The Pops for about four weeks solid. So no wonder it shot to the top!
Still not one of the biggest sellers of the year. He ends the year on 828,000 copies, whereas The Foundations end the year on over one million sales. When they got to the top the record company took out full page adds in the Music Papers congratulating everyone for the record success.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 16 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 18th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 18th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					1	1	1	1	16050
3	2	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					2	2	2	4	15345
2	3	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					3	3	3	2	15065
4	4	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					4	4	4	5	14360
6	5	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					5	4	5	6	14025
5	6	Autum Almanac - The Kinks					6	6	6	3	13630
11	7	There Is A Mountain - Donovan					7	8	7	8	12555
20	8	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					8	7	10	9	11920
7	9	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					10	9	8	15	11510
17	10	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					11	11	9	11	11200
12	11	San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals					9	12	11	7	10840
23	12	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five					12	10	11	13	10730
13	13	I Can See For Miles - The Who					13	13	13	10	9885
8	14	From The Underworld - The Herd					14	14	14	12	9265
9	15	Homburg - Procol Harum					15	15	15	14	8645
10	16	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					16	16	16	16	8025
15	17	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					17	18	17	20	7035
24	18	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					21	17	21	27	5640
14	19	Flowers In The Rain - The Move					18	23	20	18	5455
18	20	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					20	25	18	21	5300
28	21	I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor					19	21	24	17	4940
25	22	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					23	24	19	29	4570
16	23	The Letter - The Box Tops					22	26	22	19	4270
NEW	24	All My Love - Cliff Richard					26	19	26	28	3905
19	25	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					25	27	23	22	3565
26	26	I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder					24	22	27	23	3480
NEW	27	So Tired - Frankie Vaughan					28	20			2200
21	28	Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry					27		25	24	2095
29	29	You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops						28	29		1100
27	30	Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners							28	30	835
		Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes					30		30	26	675
		Soul Man - Sam and Dave					29			25	510
		Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney						29			400
		Be Mine - The Tremeloes						29			400

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

.. and this week in comes the best thing The Monkees ever did .. by a country mile !

There are 12 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 25th 1967.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 25th 1967								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
8	1	Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry					1	2	1	1	15850
1	2	Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations					2	1	2	2	15715
12	3	Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five					3	3	3	3	14980
5	4	Love Is All Around - The Troggs					4	5	4	5	14160
2	5	Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					5	4	5	7	13940
4	6	The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck					7	6	7	8	12955
3	7	Massachusetts - The Bee Gees					6	7	9	4	12595
6	8	Autumn Almanac - The Kinks					8	8	8	6	12475
7	9	There Is A Mountain - Donovan					9	9	6	10	12435
10	10	If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican					10	10	10	9	11320
9	11	There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan					12	11	13	14	9945
11	12	San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals					11	14	11	13	9930
13	13	I Can See For Miles - The Who					13	15	12	12	9565
18	14	Careless Hands - Des O'Connor					14	12	15	15	9160
24	15	All My Love - Cliff Richard					15	13	14	16	9125
21	16	I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor					16	17	16	11	8250
NEW	17	Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney					17	16	20	18	6855
14	18	From The Underworld - The Herd					18	21	17	17	6690
15	19	Homburg - Procol Harum					19	24	19	19	5420
22	20	Big Spender - Shirley Bassey					20	27	18	22	4815
NEW	21	Daydream Believer - The Monkees					23	23	21	25	4610
17	22	You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw					22	22	23	23	4480
27	23	So Tired - Frankie Vaughan					24	18	25	27	4440
16	24	Hole In My Shoe - Traffic					21	26	22	20	4185
NEW	25	World - The Bee Gees					26	19	27	30	3485
20	26	When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers					25	29	24	21	3000
NEW	27	I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones					27	19	29		2900
25	28	Just Loving You - Anita Harris					29	25	26		2450
26	29	I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder					28	28	28	26	1775
NEW	30	Soul Man - Sam and Dave					30			24	595
		Flowers In The Rain - The Move							30	29	420
		The Letter - The Box Tops								28	255
		Wild Honey - The Beach Boys						30			200