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  • Thinking ahead you’ve done almost one third of the total time span for the multiple charts era prior to the official charts gaining accuracy. In addition there’s the continuation of your RM project. After all you have so much to do that it would be wrong to reduce your enthusiasm by slowing you down. Then winter’s just around the corner with more time to sit indoors by my computer. Keep up the good work at present speed Brian, I’ll make a priority out of studying your postings twice a day.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      Ok, I will continue to post 1/2 charts per day depending on my time availability.

      Guys, Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 16th 1967. Enjoy !

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 16th 1967 NME MM RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 1 16050
      2 2 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 2 2 2 2 15515
      4 3 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 3 3 3 4 14895
      3 4 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 4 4 4 3 14530
      12 5 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 5 5 5 6 13825
      5 6 Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes 6 6 6 7 13290
      6 7 We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones 8 7 7 10 12585
      14 8 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 7 8 8 5 12560
      9 9 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 9 10 10 9 11320
      11 10 Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys 10 13 9 8 11055
      7 11 The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set 11 11 11 12 10615
      18 12 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 12 9 13 13 10430
      8 13 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 13 12 12 11 10250
      15 14 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 14 14 14 14 9095
      10 15 Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees 15 16 15 17 8190
      16 16 The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 16 15 16 19 7970
      23 17 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 17 17 18 16 7325
      13 18 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 18 20 17 15 7060
      NEW 19 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 19 18 19 20 6535
      21 20 You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge 20 22 20 18 5655
      22 21 Creeque Alley - The Mamas And Papas 21 23 21 21 4950
      29 22 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 22 21 24 22 4515
      25 23 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 23 19 26 23 4330
      20 24 Gin House - Amen Corner 24 25 23 25 3710
      17 25 Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers 26 28 22 29 3020
      19 26 Death Of A Clown - Dave Davies 25 27 25 26 2725
      New 27 Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 28 24 1400
      28 28 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 27 28 24 1345
      24 29 It Must Be Him - Vikki Carr 29 27 28 1255
      27 30 You Only Live Twice / Jackson - Nancy Sinatra 30 30 29 27 1040
      You're My Everything - The Temptations 26 1000
      Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 28 600
      A Bad Night - Cat Stevens 30 30 335
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

        There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 23rd 1967.

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 23rd 1967 NME MM RR Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
        1 1 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 1 16050
        3 2 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 2 2 2 2 15515
        5 3 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 3 3 3 3 14980
        2 4 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 4 4 4 5 14360
        8 5 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 5 5 5 4 13995
        12 6 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 6 6 6 7 13290
        4 7 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 7 7 7 6 12925
        19 8 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 8 8 8 8 12305
        6 9 Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes 9 9 10 11 11350
        9 10 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 12 10 12 14 10395
        10 11 Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys 11 15 9 12 10315
        14 12 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 14 12 11 15 10160
        23 13 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 10 11 15 10 9785
        7 14 We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones 13 13 14 9 9720
        17 15 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 15 14 13 13 9430
        13 16 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 16 16 16 16 8025
        11 17 The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set 17 18 17 17 7290
        16 18 The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 18 17 19 19 6820
        22 19 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 19 20 20 18 6055
        15 20 Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees 20 23 18 22 5615
        20 21 You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge 21 24 21 20 4835
        27 22 Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 23 21 25 26 3925
        NEW 23 The Letter - The Box Tops 22 22 26 24 3645
        NEW 24 Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride 24 25 24 25 3460
        NEW 25 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 26 19 27 3400
        18 26 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 25 22 21 3100
        21 27 Creeque Alley - The Mamas And Papas 27 23 27 2340
        28 28 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 28 27 28 29 1720
        NEW 29 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 29 26 28 1255
        25 30 Up Up And Away - The Johnny Mann Singers 29 29 900
        The World We Knew - Frank Sinatra 28 30 850
        Gin House - Amen Corner 30 23 680
        You're My Everything - The Temptations 30 200
        From The Underworld - The Herd 30 85
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

          There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 30th 1967.

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 30th 1967 NME MM RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 1 16050
          2 2 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 2 2 2 2 15515
          8 3 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 3 3 3 3 14980
          6 4 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 4 4 4 5 14360
          3 5 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 5 6 6 4 13545
          5 6 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 6 7 5 6 13425
          13 7 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 7 5 7 7 13240
          4 8 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 8 8 8 8 12305
          15 9 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 9 9 9 11 11600
          7 10 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 10 10 10 9 11320
          12 11 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 11 11 11 10 10785
          9 12 Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes 12 15 12 12 9565
          10 13 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 14 14 13 16 9175
          23 14 The Letter - The Box Tops 13 12 17 14 8745
          19 15 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 16 16 15 18 8105
          25 16 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 15 13 18 17 8040
          14 17 We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones 18 18 16 15 7710
          11 18 Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys 17 22 14 13 7580
          16 19 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 19 23 19 19 5620
          24 20 Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride 23 20 21 26 5125
          18 21 The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 21 25 20 20 4885
          22 22 Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 20 21 23 21 4850
          29 23 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 22 19 24 24 4745
          NEW 24 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 24 17 26 29 4220
          17 25 The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set 26 22 23 2930
          NEW 26 From The Underworld - The Herd 25 23 30 22 2615
          21 27 You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge 27 28 25 25 2610
          20 28 Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees 28 27 28 1255
          NEW 29 The Letter - The Mindbenders 29 26 1000
          28 30 There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 30 27 30 885
          The World We Knew - Frank Sinatra 28 750
          You're My Everything - The Temptations 29 500
          King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 29 400
          All You Need Is Love - The Beatles 27 340
          Try My World - Georgie Fame 30 200
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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          • Radio 1 up and running, with the full BBC Top 30 now being featured.

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            • Greetings Pop Pickers !

              There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
              At Last in comes You're My Everything from The Temptations. David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks swopping vocals. Stunning Toon !

              Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 7th 1967.

              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 7th 1967 NME MM RR Total
              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
              1 1 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 1 16050
              3 2 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 2 3 2 2 15315
              7 3 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 3 2 3 3 15180
              4 4 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 4 4 4 5 14360
              2 5 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 5 6 5 4 13795
              16 6 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 6 5 6 6 13575
              9 7 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 8 7 7 11 12500
              5 8 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 7 8 9 7 12140
              6 9 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 9 9 8 8 12105
              14 10 The Letter - The Box Tops 10 10 10 9 11320
              11 11 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 11 11 11 10 10785
              8 12 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 12 12 13 13 9830
              15 13 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 14 13 12 19 9370
              13 14 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 13 17 14 12 8665
              10 15 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 15 15 15 14 8645
              23 16 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 16 14 16 15 8510
              24 17 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 17 16 18 16 7525
              26 18 From The Underworld - The Herd 18 18 22 18 5955
              20 19 Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride 21 20 21 23 5380
              22 20 Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 19 23 20 20 5285
              12 21 Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes 20 29 17 17 5090
              18 22 Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys 22 27 19 21 4650
              NEW 23 King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 23 21 26 22 4015
              NEW 24 You're My Everything - The Temptations 24 22 25 30 3385
              NEW 25 Homburg - Procol Harum 26 18 30 2850
              21 26 The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 27 28 24 27 2690
              17 27 We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones 25 23 24 2595
              NEW 28 Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill 28 24 28 1655
              19 29 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder 29 27 25 1510
              NEW 30 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 30 25 1200
              You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 26 1000
              You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge 28 29 920
              The House That Jack Built - The Alan Price Set 29 500
              There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 26 425
              Try My World - Georgie Fame 29 400
              The Letter - The Mindbenders 29 400
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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              • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                Radio 1 up and running, with the full BBC Top 30 now being featured.
                Does anyone really know why Flowers In The Rain was the first record played on Radio One? Received wisdom is that the current Number One would have been spun had it not been the manifestly unsuitable Engelbert. The Move, at Number Two, were the next best thing...

                Tony Blackburn denies this - he claims the opening day situation was chaotic and he just grabbed the nearest single to hand....

                Last edited by Metalweb; Tue October 27, 2020, 02:03.

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                • Graham76man
                  Graham76man commented
                  Editing a comment
                  What is least known is the that the record jumped and was knackered on the first play of it!
                  It depends when Tony did denie this. It's funny sometimes how people alter history to suit what is happening at the point they change their mind about events. All radio shows on the BBC had a producer and they had control of the playlist and what was in the show. Tony of course could say what he wanted within limits. But the BBC controlled what he played.
                  If he retracted the statement years later it might be that other things came into play. Such as not upsetting fans of Engelbert, or even Engelbert himself.

              • I think your theory may well be correct. It would have been the obvious thing to do opening the new station with the #1 record, but not Engelbert, as it didn't fit with the new stations ideology so the logical choice was the next best thing #2, The Move.

                Of course it would never be 'the nearest single to hand, the programme then as now would already be playlisted.
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                  There are 14 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 14th 1967.

                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 14th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                  1 1 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 1 1 1 3 15880
                  6 2 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 2 2 3 1 15350
                  3 3 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 3 3 2 4 15145
                  2 4 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 4 4 4 2 14615
                  4 5 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 5 5 5 8 13655
                  7 6 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 6 6 6 7 13290
                  10 7 The Letter - The Box Tops 7 7 7 6 12925
                  5 8 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 8 8 8 5 12560
                  8 9 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 9 9 9 10 11685
                  18 10 From The Underworld - The Herd 10 10 14 11 10150
                  9 11 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 12 14 11 12 10015
                  11 12 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 13 15 10 14 9895
                  13 13 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 15 13 12 15 9710
                  25 14 Homburg - Procol Harum 11 11 16 9 9620
                  17 15 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 14 12 15 13 9330
                  16 16 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 16 16 13 16 8775
                  12 17 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 18 17 18 22 6815
                  23 18 King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 17 18 19 18 6705
                  14 19 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 19 23 17 17 6290
                  15 20 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 21 26 21 20 4435
                  30 21 Baby Now I've Found You - The Foundations 20 20 26 21 4300
                  19 22 Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride 22 27 22 19 4070
                  20 23 Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 24 28 20 25 3860
                  NEW 24 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 23 21 27 23 3680
                  28 25 Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill 25 22 28 24 3145
                  24 26 You're My Everything - The Temptations 26 25 25 26 3125
                  NEW 27 Playground - Anita Harris 27 19 2400
                  22 28 Heroes And Villains - The Beach Boys 28 23 28 2255
                  21 29 Even The Bad Times Are Good - The Tremeloes 30 30 24 29 2120
                  NEW 30 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 29 23 29 2100
                  You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 29 400
                  There Goes My Everything - Engelbert Humperdinck 27 340
                  We Love You / Dandelion - The Rolling Stones 30 250
                  Somewhere My Love - The Mike Sammes Singers 30 85
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                  • The massive sales of Anita's first track were talked about in the Music Press at the time as killing of the sales of Playground. And they did. The previous single Just Loving You would go on to sell a million. But when I download the track of Amazon recently it was from an album called "forgotten songs.."
                    And yes it is!!!
                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                    • Tony Blackburn's breakfast show followed the Radio London format whereby the playlist sequence was the same each day. Thereby hits (1-10, 11-20 and 21-30), new releases and oldies were played in the same spots each day. The first record was a 1-10 hit, the second record was a 11-20 hit etc.

                      So in selecting records for the first day the Move record was a highly likely choice as the opener being the fastest riser in the Top 10. The Bees Gees as a riser in the 11-20 section was similarly a likely second record.

                      (So many know the first record that the pub quiz question now tends to be 'What was the second record?')

                      Blackburn recalls how someone came up to him and said "Your show is the same every day" and he replied "You are the only one to have noticed!" But I suspect there were quite a few of us who had also noticed.

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                      • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                        The massive sales of Anita's first track were talked about in the Music Press at the time as killing of the sales of Playground. And they did. The previous single Just Loving You would go on to sell a million. But when I download the track of Amazon recently it was from an album called "forgotten songs.."
                        And yes it is!!!
                        Just Loving You was like one those people who call on you and then just hang around, ignoring hints to leave.

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                        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                          There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                          The Herd and The Kinks .. 2 other fine examples on the chart of 1967 brilliance.

                          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 21st 1967.

                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 21st 1967 NME MM RR Total
                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                          2 1 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 1 1 1 1 16050
                          1 2 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 3 15430
                          3 3 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 3 3 3 2 15065
                          4 4 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 4 4 4 4 14445
                          6 5 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 5 5 5 7 13740
                          7 6 The Letter - The Box Tops 6 6 6 5 13460
                          14 7 Homburg - Procol Harum 7 7 7 6 12925
                          10 8 From The Underworld - The Herd 8 9 8 8 12105
                          5 9 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 9 8 9 10 11885
                          8 10 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 10 11 10 9 11120
                          21 11 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 11 10 11 13 10730
                          15 12 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 12 13 13 11 9800
                          16 13 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 14 14 12 18 9255
                          30 14 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 13 12 17 14 8745
                          12 15 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 16 17 14 15 8410
                          13 16 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 17 15 16 16 8225
                          9 17 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 15 16 18 12 7865
                          18 18 King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 18 18 15 20 7535
                          11 19 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 19 19 19 17 6590
                          19 20 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 20 23 21 21 4950
                          24 21 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 21 27 20 19 4570
                          26 22 You're My Everything - The Temptations 22 24 22 26 4075
                          17 23 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 23 25 25 22 3465
                          NEW 24 You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 25 20 28 28 3205
                          22 25 Five Little Fingers - Frankie McBride 24 28 23 24 3195
                          NEW 26 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 28 21 29 2500
                          20 27 San Francisco - Scott McKenzie 27 24 25 2260
                          25 28 Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill 26 26 23 1930
                          27 29 Playground - Anita Harris 29 22 1800
                          NEW 30 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 30 26 30 29 1420
                          Good Times - Eric Burdon and The Animals 27 27 1340
                          I Can See For Miles - The Who 29 400
                          Love Is All Around - The Troggs 30 200
                          World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner 30 85
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                            There are 15 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 28th 1967.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 28th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 1 1 1 1 16050
                            2 2 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 2 2 2 2 15515
                            3 3 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 3 3 3 3 14980
                            11 4 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 4 4 4 4 14445
                            7 5 Homburg - Procol Harum 5 5 6 9 13320
                            5 6 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 6 6 5 10 13285
                            6 7 The Letter - The Box Tops 7 8 8 6 12475
                            14 8 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 8 7 9 7 12340
                            8 9 From The Underworld - The Herd 10 10 7 8 12155
                            4 10 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 9 9 10 5 11860
                            9 11 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 11 11 12 11 10450
                            12 12 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 12 12 11 12 10415
                            13 13 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 13 13 13 14 9545
                            10 14 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 14 14 14 13 9180
                            26 15 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 15 17 18 15 7410
                            21 16 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 17 22 15 20 6735
                            18 17 King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 16 20 17 19 6720
                            16 18 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 18 18 19 21 6450
                            15 19 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 19 25 16 18 6055
                            NEW 20 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 23 14 25 28 5155
                            NEW 21 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 22 20 23 23 4880
                            20 22 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 20 24 22 17 4840
                            17 23 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 21 29 20 16 4425
                            24 24 You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 24 23 24 26 3775
                            NEW 25 I Can See For Miles - The Who 26 16 29 3500
                            19 26 Let's Go To San Francisco - The Flowerpot Men 25 21 22 3265
                            NEW 27 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 28 19 2400
                            NEW 28 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 27 26 28 27 2090
                            22 29 You're My Everything - The Temptations 29 28 26 30 1935
                            30 30 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 30 27 29 1370
                            I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder 27 800
                            World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner 30 24 595
                            Love Letters In The Sand - Vince Hill 25 510
                            I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Tom Jones 30 250
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                            • The number of differences clearly documents the need for this thread.

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                              • What I like is the fact that the differences are just a place or two which evidences that the addition of store returns is just fine tuning the chart and ironing out ties rather than radically changing it.
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                  There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 4th 1967.

                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 4th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                  1 1 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 1 1 1 1 16050
                                  4 2 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 2 2 2 2 15515
                                  8 3 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 3 3 4 3 14730
                                  2 4 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 4 4 3 4 14695
                                  3 5 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 5 5 5 5 13910
                                  5 6 Homburg - Procol Harum 6 7 6 7 13090
                                  9 7 From The Underworld - The Herd 7 8 7 6 12725
                                  6 8 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 8 6 8 11 12450
                                  7 9 The Letter - The Box Tops 10 9 9 10 11685
                                  15 10 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 9 10 10 8 11405
                                  10 11 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 11 11 11 9 10870
                                  12 12 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 12 17 12 12 9165
                                  11 13 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 14 13 14 17 9040
                                  20 14 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 13 12 16 16 8825
                                  13 15 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 15 16 15 13 8530
                                  21 16 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 16 15 17 15 8060
                                  16 17 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 18 18 13 22 7865
                                  25 18 I Can See For Miles - The Who 17 19 18 21 6500
                                  27 19 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 19 14 24 18 6255
                                  22 20 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 20 20 19 19 6220
                                  28 21 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 21 21 20 20 5685
                                  14 22 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 22 27 22 14 4495
                                  18 23 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 23 25 23 23 3880
                                  17 24 King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 24 28 21 25 3610
                                  24 25 You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 25 22 27 27 3140
                                  30 26 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 26 24 26 28 2905
                                  19 27 The Day I Met Marie - Cliff Richard 27 30 25 24 2295
                                  29 28 You're My Everything - The Temptations 30 23 30 1850
                                  NEW 29 I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder 29 25 29 30 1785
                                  23 30 Itchycoo Park - The Small Faces 28 29 28 26 1575
                                  World Of Broken Hearts - Amen Corner 29 170





                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                  • Shirley Bassey despite it being one of her most well known songs doesn't even go top ten on any chart. Thanks to Lou Grade, who refused to let her do Top of The Pops!
                                    Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                    • Looking at the differences from the BBC Chart for the 4th November, they are mainly due to the records being tied on points and the BBC 'promoting' the climber compared to the previous week. The exception is the Who which must have been a miscalculation (or bias?) as they have less points than Sandie Shaw.

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                                      • For some reason the previous message appeared twice, so I'm editing this one to say that the differences from the BBC chart for the October 28th appear to be differences in points rather than tiebreakers etc.
                                        Last edited by braindeadpj; Thu October 29, 2020, 12:40.

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                                        • Graham76man
                                          Graham76man commented
                                          Editing a comment
                                          Brian if you get repeated post which you can't delete yourself, just message a moderator and they will do it for you.

                                      • Yeah Brain, the BBC continued to be inconsistent on applying tiebreakers.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                          Another 2 excellent records debut this week on the chart, Long John Baldry and The Dave Clark Five. Eccellente Toons !

                                          There are again 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 11th 1967.

                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 11th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                          2 1 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 1 1 1 1 16050
                                          1 2 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 2 2 2 2 15515
                                          3 3 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 3 3 3 3 14980
                                          4 4 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 4 4 4 4 14445
                                          10 5 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 5 5 5 5 13910
                                          14 6 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 6 6 6 7 13290
                                          8 7 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 7 7 7 10 12585
                                          7 8 From The Underworld - The Herd 8 8 11 6 11725
                                          6 9 Homburg - Procol Harum 9 12 8 9 11420
                                          5 10 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 10 10 9 11 11400
                                          19 11 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 12 9 10 14 11095
                                          16 12 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 11 11 12 8 10705
                                          18 13 I Can See For Miles - The Who 13 13 13 13 9630
                                          11 14 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 14 16 14 12 8865
                                          17 15 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 15 14 15 18 8505
                                          9 16 The Letter - The Box Tops 16 17 18 15 7410
                                          21 17 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 17 18 17 16 7375
                                          12 18 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 18 21 16 19 6770
                                          20 19 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 19 22 20 17 5740
                                          NEW 20 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 22 15 21 5700
                                          15 21 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 20 24 19 20 5335
                                          13 22 Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 21 23 22 21 4700
                                          NEW 23 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 23 19 24 26 4575
                                          NEW 24 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 26 20 26 28 3705
                                          26 25 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 25 27 23 23 3480
                                          29 26 I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder 24 25 25 22 3465
                                          23 27 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 27 28 27 24 2195
                                          NEW 28 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 28 26 29 25 2010
                                          25 29 You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 29 29 28 27 1490
                                          22 30 Excerpt From A Teenage Opera - Keith West 30 30 29 420
                                          You're My Everything - The Temptations 30 200
                                          King Midas In Reverse - The Hollies 30 85


                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                          • Long John Baldry was featured every week on Top of The Pops for about four weeks solid. So no wonder it shot to the top!
                                            Still not one of the biggest sellers of the year. He ends the year on 828,000 copies, whereas The Foundations end the year on over one million sales. When they got to the top the record company took out full page adds in the Music Papers congratulating everyone for the record success.
                                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                            • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                              There are 16 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                              Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 18th 1967.

                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 18th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                              1 1 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 1 1 1 1 16050
                                              3 2 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 2 4 15345
                                              2 3 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 3 3 3 2 15065
                                              4 4 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 4 4 4 5 14360
                                              6 5 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 5 4 5 6 14025
                                              5 6 Autum Almanac - The Kinks 6 6 6 3 13630
                                              11 7 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 7 8 7 8 12555
                                              20 8 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 8 7 10 9 11920
                                              7 9 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 10 9 8 15 11510
                                              17 10 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 11 11 9 11 11200
                                              12 11 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 9 12 11 7 10840
                                              23 12 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 12 10 11 13 10730
                                              13 13 I Can See For Miles - The Who 13 13 13 10 9885
                                              8 14 From The Underworld - The Herd 14 14 14 12 9265
                                              9 15 Homburg - Procol Harum 15 15 15 14 8645
                                              10 16 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 16 16 16 16 8025
                                              15 17 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 17 18 17 20 7035
                                              24 18 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 21 17 21 27 5640
                                              14 19 Flowers In The Rain - The Move 18 23 20 18 5455
                                              18 20 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 20 25 18 21 5300
                                              28 21 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 19 21 24 17 4940
                                              25 22 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 23 24 19 29 4570
                                              16 23 The Letter - The Box Tops 22 26 22 19 4270
                                              NEW 24 All My Love - Cliff Richard 26 19 26 28 3905
                                              19 25 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 25 27 23 22 3565
                                              26 26 I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder 24 22 27 23 3480
                                              NEW 27 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 28 20 2200
                                              21 28 Ode To Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry 27 25 24 2095
                                              29 29 You Keep Running Away - The Four Tops 28 29 1100
                                              27 30 Black Velvet Band - The Dubliners 28 30 835
                                              Reflections - Diana Ross and The Supremes 30 30 26 675
                                              Soul Man - Sam and Dave 29 25 510
                                              Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 29 400
                                              Be Mine - The Tremeloes 29 400
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                .. and this week in comes the best thing The Monkees ever did .. by a country mile !

                                                There are 12 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 25th 1967.

                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 25th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                8 1 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 1 2 1 1 15850
                                                1 2 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 2 1 2 2 15715
                                                12 3 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 3 3 3 3 14980
                                                5 4 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 4 5 4 5 14160
                                                2 5 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 4 5 7 13940
                                                4 6 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 7 6 7 8 12955
                                                3 7 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 6 7 9 4 12595
                                                6 8 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 8 8 8 6 12475
                                                7 9 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 9 9 6 10 12435
                                                10 10 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 10 10 10 9 11320
                                                9 11 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 12 11 13 14 9945
                                                11 12 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 11 14 11 13 9930
                                                13 13 I Can See For Miles - The Who 13 15 12 12 9565
                                                18 14 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 14 12 15 15 9160
                                                24 15 All My Love - Cliff Richard 15 13 14 16 9125
                                                21 16 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 16 17 16 11 8250
                                                NEW 17 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 17 16 20 18 6855
                                                14 18 From The Underworld - The Herd 18 21 17 17 6690
                                                15 19 Homburg - Procol Harum 19 24 19 19 5420
                                                22 20 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 20 27 18 22 4815
                                                NEW 21 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 23 23 21 25 4610
                                                17 22 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 22 22 23 23 4480
                                                27 23 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 24 18 25 27 4440
                                                16 24 Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 21 26 22 20 4185
                                                NEW 25 World - The Bee Gees 26 19 27 30 3485
                                                20 26 When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 25 29 24 21 3000
                                                NEW 27 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 27 19 29 2900
                                                25 28 Just Loving You - Anita Harris 29 25 26 2450
                                                26 29 I'm Wondering - Stevie Wonder 28 28 28 26 1775
                                                NEW 30 Soul Man - Sam and Dave 30 24 595
                                                Flowers In The Rain - The Move 30 29 420
                                                The Letter - The Box Tops 28 255
                                                Wild Honey - The Beach Boys 30 200
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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