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  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 2nd 1967.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 2nd 1967 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 1 1 1 1 16050
    3 2 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 2 2 2 2 15515
    NEW 3 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 4 3 3 9 14470
    10 4 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 3 6 4 3 14130
    4 5 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 6 5 5 6 13825
    2 6 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 5 4 7 4 13695
    6 7 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 7 7 6 5 13260
    17 8 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 8 8 9 7 12140
    15 9 All My Love - Cliff Richard 9 9 8 8 12105
    14 10 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 10 11 11 10 10785
    5 11 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 11 10 12 11 10650
    9 12 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 12 13 10 14 10295
    27 13 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 13 12 16 13 9080
    16 14 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 14 17 13 12 8915
    25 15 World - The Bee Gees 15 14 15 15 8760
    8 16 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 16 16 14 17 8440
    7 17 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 17 15 17 16 7975
    21 18 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 18 18 18 19 6870
    11 19 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 20 19 19 22 6165
    13 20 I Can See For Miles - The Who 19 20 21 18 5805
    12 21 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 21 23 20 20 5285
    23 22 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 22 21 23 25 4510
    20 23 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 23 26 22 23 3930
    NEW 24 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 24 24 27 21 3250
    NEW 25 Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 25 27 24 24 3145
    22 26 You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 26 25 27 1840
    NEW 27 Here We Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 27 22 1800
    18 28 From The Underworld - The Herd 30 26 30 1335
    NEW 29 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 29 25 1200
    30 30 Soul Man - Sam and Dave 28 29 26 825
    Hole In My Shoe - Traffic 28 750
    Sam - Keith West 28 600
    Homburg - Procol Harum 30 28 505
    When Will The Good Apples Fall - The Seekers 29 500
    I Heard A Heart Break Last Night - Jim Reeves 30 200
    Wild Honey - The Beach Boys 29 170
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun November 1, 2020, 09:55.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 9th 1967.

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 9th 1967 NME MM RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      3 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 16050
      1 2 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 2 2 2 2 15515
      2 3 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 3 3 3 3 14980
      4 4 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 4 5 4 4 14245
      8 5 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 5 4 5 5 14110
      10 6 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 6 6 6 6 13375
      13 7 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 7 7 8 10 12335
      9 8 All My Love - Cliff Richard 8 8 7 11 12300
      15 9 World - The Bee Gees 9 10 9 9 11570
      7 10 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 11 9 10 13 11180
      5 11 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 10 11 11 7 11040
      6 12 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 12 12 13 8 10255
      18 13 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 13 13 12 15 9710
      14 14 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 14 14 17 12 8515
      25 15 Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 15 17 14 14 8495
      11 16 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 16 16 16 16 8025
      12 17 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 17 18 15 21 7450
      24 18 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 18 19 19 17 6590
      27 19 Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 19 15 24 19 5970
      16 20 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 20 23 18 20 5785
      22 21 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 23 22 20 26 4975
      19 22 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 21 20 23 22 4965
      20 23 I Can See For Miles - The Who 24 25 21 23 4380
      29 24 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 22 21 27 18 4105
      23 25 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 25 24 22 27 3990
      17 26 Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 26 26 25 24 3095
      21 27 San Franciscan Nights - Eric Burdon and The Animals 28 30 26 28 1705
      NEW 28 Wild Honey - The Beach Boys 29 29 28 29 1320
      NEW 29 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 30 26 1000
      NEW 30 Jackie - Scott Walker 28 600
      You've Not Changed - Sandie Shaw 29 30 585
      Soul Man - Sam and Dave 27 25 510
      I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black 30 250
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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      • For those who can't wait to find out I now know who finally took the throne on the infamous chart of 31st August 1968 Ha Ha !
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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        • Graham76man
          Graham76man commented
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          It should be The Bee Gees - Gotta Get A Message To You

      • Record Retailer ended it's EP chart that same week. This allowed the new Beatles double EP to enter the Record Retailer singles chart. The first EP to do so. The EP was released the week the final chart was published. I suspect EMI might have waited for them to close the chart down. It was clearly on the cards as it had remained static for the last few months with no records entering for a long time.
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        • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
          Record Retailer ended it's EP chart that same week. This allowed the new Beatles double EP to enter the Record Retailer singles chart. The first EP to do so. The EP was released the week the final chart was published. I suspect EMI might have waited for them to close the chart down. It was clearly on the cards as it had remained static for the last few months with no records entering for a long time.
          I find it strange how the EP market suddenly declined around the mid 60s. At one time it was a lot more vibrant than the LP market, and with stronger sellers. Did the public really just lose interest overnight or did labels decide they wanted to phase them out in favour of the more profitable album?

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          • Mr Tibbs you must carry on with this wonderful project. I can quite understand why you did not include the Music Echo charts to December ‘65 with their small samples (a decision echoed by the BBC), but it would have provided a good laugh with their position disparity of up 20-30 places on some records compared to all other papers.
            Can I take it that you will exclude Top Pops/Music Now charts from 1968 on the basis of small samples (but big shops?)?

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            • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
              For those who can't wait to find out I now know who finally took the throne on the infamous chart of 31st August 1968 Ha Ha !
              We discussed this on the P/TOTP thread and, like Graham, I think it should have been the Bee Gees and that this is one of the times when MM got it wrong.

              What cannot be disputed is that the Bee Gees were heading for number one, so it just a question of when they arrived. Also undisputed is that the 'Top Pops' chart had the Bee Gees at number one this week.

              Dave Taylor also has a couple of interesting comments about this week. First he says that RR originally had a tie between the Beach Boys and The Bee Gees. I find this difficult to believe because (if I understand the RR tiebreak procedure correctly) they would have broken the tie in favour of the Bee Gees.

              But the other thing Dave Taylor says is highly plausible. This is that NME incorrectly applied points to Tom Jones that should have gone to Tommy James. This looks likely because NME putting Tom Jones at number one looks out of kilter considering that the other charts put him at number 5. Dave says that if they had not made this mistake NME would also have put the Bee Gees at number one.

              I am not at all suggesting that we should trust this claim enough to change the NME positions, but it is a contributory factor in my personal resolution of the infamous 3-way tie.
              Last edited by Splodj; Sun November 1, 2020, 16:01.

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              • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                I find it strange how the EP market suddenly declined around the mid 60s. At one time it was a lot more vibrant than the LP market, and with stronger sellers. Did the public really just lose interest overnight or did labels decide they wanted to phase them out in favour of the more profitable album?

                From what I gather the EP was not intended at the start to have more tracks on the same size of plastic as a single, but to have a full piece of classical music on one side. But they started to be marketed as "mini albums". However to get the tracks on meant a loss in quality. If you put an EP on a hi-fi system and afterwards put on a standard single. Then the single will blast you out! Being much louder than any EP. So the LP which could give the length and keep the quality of sound was much better than the EP. As stereo hi-fi systems grew more popular the pitfalls of the EP became more known and they lost ground. Many EP also became novelty records, or for films, opera and classical pieces. Plus children's TV shows for example: Thunderbirds, Capitan Scarlet and Stingray all had EP's with episodes on them.

                Even that Beatles EP was linked to the Magical Mystery Tour film and "fun" novelty tracks on them. I suspect the Beatles did it rather than spend a great deal of time in the studio doing a new album, since after Sargent Pepper they knew they couldn't just throw together a collection of tracks together and make an album that way. The critics would have had them for breakfast if they did that!

                If you were going to make serious money and the best quality music an LP became the way to do it. The EP was just a gimmick in that respect.
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                • Thanks membrane for that encouragement and yes I will be sticking with this project that so many enjoy.
                  I will not be including any of the smaller charts in the sample for any years you will be glad to know, and will continue to stick with the major charts only as the others are just transient for a short time and I want to keep consistency throughout.

                  For the record, Herb Alpert will take top billing on August 31st. Even allowing for the Bee Gees to hold joint #1 on RR that week as Dave suggested, which has never been corroborated, it will still not give it sufficient points to overtake Herb.

                  Yes, I too have heard of the alleged mix up at NME but we have what we have historically to go on and thus Herb is1, Bee Gees 2, and Beach Boys 3. Remember as things stood the Bee Gees were not factually at #1 on any of the three charts that week, Tom Jones was never in the running irregardless of a possible mix up, But the consolation is that the Bee Gees will go to #1 on Sept 7th.

                  I'm working on September 1968 now so am only a few months away compilation wise from going back to do 1960 to 1963 and for the very first time will be including the RR and RM charts into the averaged figures as for a spell between 60 and 62 these were both omitted by the BBC so the averaged chart might reflect even more differences between it and the BBC chart.
                  Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun November 1, 2020, 18:17.
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                  • The film of the Beatles singing "Hello, Goodbye" (coma correctly inserted between the two words), the one in the Sargent Pepper clothes, was banned from TOTP, not for the usual reasons, but because the Musician's Union wouldn't except it because they were miming on the film.
                    Meanwhile Scott Walker's new single was banned after Radio Two listeners objected to it after a few plays on the radio. The BBC called it a "nasty song". It was a translation of a French song which contained the words "queers, brothels and virgins". Disc and Music Echo (9 Dec) reported that even the title was controversial. It should have been "Jacky". All the scheduled TV appearances of Scott singing the song were also pulled as a result. The ban (not a complete one) pushed the record into the top five.
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                    • The ban on miming had been in effect for some time. Earlier in the year Disc and Music Echo interviewed the director of the Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane videos, who complained that he had wanted the Beatles to mime the songs but had been told that if they did the videos could not be shown on TOTP.

                      Simon Dee was sacked from Radio 1 for playing Jackie on Midday Spin.
                      Last edited by Splodj; Mon November 2, 2020, 12:08.

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                      • The Top Ten Best Sellers of 1967

                        1 Engelbert Humperdinck - Release Me
                        2 Engelbert Humperdinck - The Last Waltz
                        3 Sandie Shaw - Puppet On A String
                        4 Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale
                        5 The Beatles - Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever
                        6 The Beatles - Hello, Goodbye
                        7 Scott McKenzie - San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Some Flowers In Your Hair)
                        8 The Monkees - I'm A Believer / (I'm Not Your) Stepping Stone
                        9 Engelbert Humperdinck - There Goes My Everything
                        10 The Bee Gees - Massachusetts (The Lights Went Out In)

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                        • I thought it was this ...

                          1 Engelbert Humperdinck - Release Me
                          2 Engelbert Humperdinck - The Last Waltz
                          3 Englebert Humperdinck - There Goes My Everything
                          4 The Monkees - I'm A Believer
                          5 Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade Of Pale
                          6 Sandie Shaw - Puppet On A String
                          7 The Beatles - All You Need Is Love
                          8 Petula Clark - This Is My Song
                          9 The Beatles - Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever
                          10 Frank and Nancy Sinatra - Somethin' Stupid

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                          • Graham76man
                            Graham76man commented
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                            Made up sales charts by the Record Industry should never be trusted. So in the words of Shrek "You thought wrong".

                        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                          In come The Four Tops with the superlative Walk Away Renee. Pure Ear Candy.

                          There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 16th 1967.

                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 16th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                          1 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 16050
                          2 2 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 2 2 2 3 15430
                          3 3 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 3 4 4 2 14615
                          4 4 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 4 5 3 4 14495
                          5 5 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 5 3 6 6 13975
                          6 6 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 6 6 5 7 13540
                          7 7 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 7 7 7 5 13010
                          9 8 World - The Bee Gees 8 8 8 9 12220
                          8 9 All My Love - Cliff Richard 9 9 10 11 11350
                          15 10 Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 10 12 9 10 11085
                          13 11 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 11 11 12 13 10280
                          10 12 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 14 13 11 16 9875
                          19 13 Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 12 14 15 8 9355
                          18 14 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 13 15 13 12 9315
                          NEW 15 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 16 10 17 20 8635
                          11 16 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 15 16 14 15 8610
                          12 17 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 17 17 16 17 7740
                          14 18 I Feel Coming On - Felice Taylor 18 19 18 14 7095
                          24 19 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 19 18 19 18 6705
                          22 20 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 20 22 21 19 5320
                          16 21 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 22 21 20 4750
                          NEW 22 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 21 20 27 25 3710
                          17 23 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 23 27 23 22 3565
                          21 24 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 24 28 22 24 3445
                          29 25 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 26 23 26 29 3020
                          25 26 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 25 29 25 21 2750
                          20 27 Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 27 30 24 28 2205
                          30 28 Jackie - Scott Walker 28 24 28 2150
                          NEW 29 Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies 30 24 1400
                          NEW 30 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 26 1000
                          Massachusetts - The Bee Gees 29 23 680
                          Wild Honey - The Beach Boys 29 500
                          I Can See For Miles - The Who 26 425
                          Just Loving You - Anita Harris 27 340
                          Soul Man - Sam and Dave 30 30 335



                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                          • According to the Top Ten of Music (1993) the top singles of 1967 were,

                            1 Engelbert Humperdinck - Release Me
                            2 Engelbert Humperdinck - The Last Waltz
                            3 Englebert Humperdinck - There Goes My Everything
                            4 The Beatles - Hello Goodbye
                            5 The Monkees - I'm A Believer
                            6 Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade Of Pale
                            7 Sandie Shaw - Puppet On A String
                            8 The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour (Double EP)
                            9 The Beatles - All You Need Is Love
                            10 Petula Clark - This Is My Song

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                            • Graham76man
                              Graham76man commented
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                              Since there were no charts at the time actually counting record sales this was either made up from points, or based on shipping figures. Including sales from 1968. It's highly unlikely the EP would have sold enough to make the top ten of the year in about 3 weeks! It wasn't even number one (officially).
                              It doesn't even make the top 100 of the year on the same chart.
                              You can see the full charts from 1967 and the best sellers over over 220 that sold 250K from Thursday night on my blog.

                              And there seem to be competing lists of even "official figures" as Splodj list is not the same.
                              However even my list is also based on sales inside the top 100 charts and takes no account of the sales outside them. Which were as high as 6K at times.

                              Based on Brian's 535 shops if they all sold 30 copies each of the number one that would by 16,050 sold. So 6,000 divided by 8,000 shops is actually zero copies sold by any shops. Well it's 0.75 of a copy, but I don't believe anyone bought three quarters of a record. But I could be wrong!!
                              Last edited by Graham76man; Tue November 3, 2020, 00:43. Reason: Extra details

                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                            There are a massive16 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 23rd 1967.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 23rd 1967 NME MM RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 1 1 16050
                            4 2 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 2 2 2 4 15345
                            2 3 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 4 3 4 6 14475
                            7 4 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 3 5 5 2 14165
                            5 5 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 5 4 6 5 13860
                            6 6 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 6 6 3 11 13700
                            15 7 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 7 8 10 3 12230
                            3 8 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 9 7 8 13 12080
                            8 9 World - The Bee Gees 10 9 7 14 11845
                            10 10 Thank U Very Much - Scaffold 8 10 9 9 11570
                            14 11 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 13 11 11 15 10360
                            11 12 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 11 13 12 8 10305
                            9 13 All My Love - Cliff Richard 12 12 15 7 9840
                            13 14 Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 14 16 13 10 9285
                            12 15 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 15 17 14 12 8665
                            22 16 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 16 14 16 16 8425
                            19 17 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 17 15 17 17 7890
                            16 18 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 20 20 18 25 5960
                            25 19 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 18 22 20 18 5655
                            18 20 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 19 23 19 19 5620
                            17 21 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 21 21 23 23 4680
                            20 22 There Must be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 22 25 22 20 4385
                            30 23 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 23 18 29 22 3865
                            28 24 Jackie - Scott Walker 25 19 27 29 3570
                            24 25 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 24 21 21 3350
                            26 26 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 26 27 24 24 3145
                            21 27 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 27 24 28 2150
                            23 28 There Is A Mountain - Donovan 29 29 25 1900
                            29 29 Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies 28 26 27 1340
                            RE 30 Soul Man - Sam and Dave 26 1250
                            The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark 30 28 28 855
                            Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 30 30 450
                            I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black 26 425
                            La Derniere Valse - Mireille Mathieu 30 85
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                            • A question to anyone who was buying singles at the time: how much more expensive would the price of 'Magical Mystery Tour' EP have been compared to the price of a standard single?

                              It's also interesting to see how much better the EP is performing on the Record Retailer chart when compared to the other two charts.

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                              • To Graham76man, how come you can comment but I can't? That facility is turned off for me.

                                It depends when the top selling lists end - a cut-off date of 31st December or whether sales are included for the following year as well. It then becomes a list of the best-selling records issued in a given year. That could explain the difference in these lists. Some of course were points based.

                                As for MMT EP - By the date of release, it had advance orders of 400,000 and 600,000 had been shipped by mid-January 1968. [see The Long And Winding Road book]. [The Rock Lists Album] top 100 of the sixties had the EP at number 50. So final sales could be around 750,000 by 1993.

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                                • Graham76man
                                  Graham76man commented
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                                  Don't know why? I don't think it's a paid member thing. Could be your browser. If it's not a paid member thing, or you are a paid member, post on the help thread saying you can't comment.
                                  I had the EP clocking up sales of 379K, but there was a sales reduction the week before Christmas overall. Could have been a weather issue affecting sales, or something else.
                                  Point based best seller lists have the problem of single sales overall sales. The points for a number one remain the same. The sales of records do not stay the same. You can sell 600K one week then next week 100K.
                                  Incidentally Hello, Goodbye I believe suffered from poor distribution. EMI couldn't get over 300K to the shops after the second week at the top. They were only managing three quarters of it.

                              • Singles were 6 shillings and 8 old pence (0.33) while the EP was 19 shilling and 6 old pence (0.98). The EP was that price because it included a 32 page book and 4 pages of lyrics. A normal EP was 10 shillings and 6 old pence (0.53).

                                The imported MMT LP was 47 shillings and 6 old pence (2.38).
                                Last edited by brian05; Tue November 3, 2020, 10:56.

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                                • Yes I think the 'Top Ten of Music (1993)' is based on the total sales of records released in 1967, whereas my list is sales within 1967. They are compatible with each other, just that the former has Hello Goodbye and Magical Mystery Tour appearing - caused by the significant sales of both after December 1967.
                                  Last edited by Splodj; Tue November 3, 2020, 14:21.

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                                  • Wayne from HelpDesk said,
                                    I turned this feature off a few weeks ago - only moderation team members should be able to "Comment" now.

                                    Graham76man - I did not know you were a moderator!! Congratulations.

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                                    • What is the rationale behind only moderators being allowed to comment? Are their comments deemed to be more worthy, or are they supposed to confine their comments strictly to matters of moderation?

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                                      • kingofskiffle
                                        kingofskiffle commented
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                                        It's not a worthy thing - it allows us to amend posts and post reasons why. Comments sort of can get out of hand if you want to comment on the comment I'm making on a post (You can see the coding issues this could cause). I think there was a post about it in the Front Desk but can't recall....

                                    • I find The Top Ten Of Music really useful and lots of its bestseller lists credible, however, some of its lists do seem to incorporate sales in the top ten split between the two years, and others don't. A few records listed in the top ten in a few lists do raise my eyebrows as well, as do some of the omissions.

                                      I honestly believe that ANY list of bestselling singles of the fifties, sixties and early seventies is highly suspect as accurate sales data is notably sketchy at best for many records.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                        MM did not compile a chart for this week and neither did the BBC, so the chart this week is based on NME and RR.

                                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 30th 1967.

                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 30th 1967 NME MM RR Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                        1 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 8550
                                        7 2 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 2 2 8265
                                        2 3 If The Whole World Stopped Lovin' - Val Doonican 3 4 7895
                                        4 4 I'm Coming Home - Tom Jones 4 3 7780
                                        6 5 Careless Hands - Des O'Connor 5 11 6900
                                        12 6 Daydream Believer - The Monkees 7 7 6840
                                        16 7 Walk Away Renee - The Four Tops 6 10 6785
                                        5 8 Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart - Gene Pitney 9 5 6610
                                        10 9 Thank U Very Much - The Scaffold 8 9 6470
                                        3 10 Let The Heartaches Begin - Long John Baldry 12 8 5755
                                        9 11 World - The Bee Gees 11 15 5360
                                        23 12 The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 10 18 5305
                                        11 13 Kites - Simon Dupree and The Big Sound 13 14 5045
                                        8 14 Everybody Knows - The Dave Clark Five 14 16 4675
                                        14 15 Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush - Traffic 16 12 4615
                                        13 16 All My Love - Cliff Richard 19 6 4525
                                        17 17 In And Out Of Love - Diana Ross and The Supremes 15 17 4390
                                        15 18 The Last Waltz - Engelbert Humperdinck 17 13 4330
                                        19 19 Tin Soldier - The Small Faces 20 19 3220
                                        24 20 Jackie - Scott Walker 18 28 2855
                                        NEW 21 The Other Man's Grass - Petula Clark 22 24 2395
                                        18 22 Love Is All Around - The Troggs 21 27 2340
                                        22 23 There Must Be A Way - Frankie Vaughan 24 20 2335
                                        20 24 I Feel Love Coming On - Felice Taylor 25 21 2050
                                        26 25 Big Spender - Shirley Bassey 26 22 1765
                                        29 26 Susannah's Still Alive - Dave Davies 23 30 1685
                                        21 27 Baby Now That I've Found You - The Foundations 27 25 1310
                                        25 28 So Tired - Frankie Vaughan 23 680
                                        27 29 Zabadak - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 28 600
                                        NEW 30 La Derniere Valse - Mireille Mathieu 26 425
                                        Neither MM or The BBC compiled a chart for 30th December. So The Ultimate Averaged Chart was compiled from NME and RR. 0
                                        There Is A Mountain - Donovan 29 400
                                        Autumn Almanac - The Kinks 30 200
                                        I Only Live To Love You - Cilla Black 29 170


                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                        • Before I continue into 1968 here is my usual end of year list of non charting injustices, the records which were criminally ignored in 1967 and should (in my humble opinion) have charted here in the UK.

                                          Buckinghams - Kind Of A Drag
                                          Doors - Light My Fire
                                          Ed Ames - My Cup Runneth Over
                                          Lulu - Best Of Both Worlds and To Sir With Love (should have been singles here too)
                                          P.P. Arnold - The Time Has Come (how the he** did this manage to miss out)
                                          Peter Paul and Mary - I Dig Rock And Roll Music
                                          Spanky and Our Gang - Sunday Will Never Be The Same
                                          Union Gap - Woman Woman

                                          Ah well ! 1968 next.

                                          Brian.

                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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