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  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 2nd 1968

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 2nd 1968 NME MM RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
    1 2 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 2 2 2 2 15515
    14 3 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 3 3 3 3 14980
    3 4 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 4 4 4 5 14360
    7 5 Fire Brigade - The Move 5 5 5 6 13825
    4 6 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 6 7 6 4 13345
    8 7 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 7 6 7 7 13040
    5 8 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 8 8 9 9 11970
    6 9 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 9 9 8 10 11935
    18 10 Rosie - Don Partridge 10 10 10 14 10895
    10 11 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 11 12 11 12 10415
    12 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 12 11 12 16 10025
    9 13 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 15 14 14 13 9180
    19 14 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 14 15 15 11 8900
    13 15 Words - The Bee Gees 13 16 16 8 8705
    11 16 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 17 17 13 17 8490
    26 17 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 16 13 17 15 8460
    17 18 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 18 18 18 19 6870
    15 19 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 19 19 19 18 6505
    16 20 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 20 22 20 20 5485
    20 21 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 21 20 21 23 5380
    NEW 22 Delilah - Tom Jones 24 21 22 4250
    27 23 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 22 23 24 21 4200
    NEW 24 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 23 25 25 24 3295
    25 25 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 25 27 26 26 2475
    NEW 26 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 26 24 27 2400
    22 27 Today - Sandie Shaw 27 23 28 2255
    NEW 28 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 29 26 28 1750
    21 29 Everything I Am - The Plastic Penny 30 29 25 1010
    NEW 30 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 28 22 765
    Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 28 600
    Daydream Believer - The Monkees 30 29 420
    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 29 400
    The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde - Georgie Fame 27 340
    Little Girl - The Troggs 30 200
    Valley Of The Dolls - Dionne Warwick 30 200
    Bend Me Shape Me - The American Breed 30 85


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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      There are 6 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 9th 1968

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 9th 1968 NME MM RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
      3 2 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 2 2 15515
      5 3 Fire Brigade - The Move 3 3 3 4 14895
      2 4 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 4 4 4 3 14530
      10 5 Rosie - Don Partridge 5 5 5 5 13910
      17 6 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 6 7 6 6 13175
      4 7 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 7 6 7 9 12870
      7 8 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 8 8 8 7 12390
      14 9 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 9 9 9 10 11685
      6 10 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 10 11 10 8 11205
      22 11 Delilah - Tom Jones 11 10 12 12 10565
      12 12 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 12 12 11 13 10330
      15 13 Words - The Bee Gees 13 14 14 11 9350
      9 14 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 15 16 13 16 8775
      23 15 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 14 15 15 14 8645
      11 16 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 16 17 16 15 7910
      26 17 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 17 13 19 20 7535
      8 18 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 18 18 17 17 7290
      18 19 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 19 19 18 19 6670
      13 20 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 20 20 21 18 5805
      24 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 21 21 24 23 4430
      19 22 Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 22 25 22 21 4300
      28 23 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 23= 23 23 24 4195
      21 24 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 23= 22 25 27 3640
      16 25 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 25 30 20 25 3460
      25 26 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 26 24 28 26 2575
      30 27 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 27 29 29 22 1665
      27 28 Today - Sandie Shaw 30 26 30 1335
      20 29 I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving - Herman's Hermits 28 27 28 1255
      NEW 30 Little Girl - The Troggs 29 26 30 1250
      Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 27 800
      No Face No Name No Number - Traffic 28 600
      No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 29 170
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      • Guys, I have gone back and corrected the No 1 on July 15th 1967. I omitted to apply the rule that the record holding the #1 position on most charts would hold #1 on The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

        As Procol Harum were #1 on both RR and Disc they have been placed at #1, the other two charts MM and NME were divided, MM opting for The Monkees, and NME opting for The Beatles.

        I have checked retrospectively and this is the only occasion this rule was not applied.
        Going forward the same situation will arise in November 1968, Barry Ryan will have most points due to being #1 on MM, but Hugo Montenegro will be placed at #1 as he holds #1 in both NME and RR.

        As you know I'm a stickler for accuracy and as some of you guys copy the charts I wanted to let you know about this amendment.

        Brian
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        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

          There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 16th 1968

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 16th 1968 NME MM RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 1 16050
          2 2 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 2 2 15515
          5 3 Rosie - Don Partridge 3 3 3 4 14895
          11 4 Delilah - Tom Jones 5 4 4 6 14275
          3 5 Fire Brigade - The Move 4 5 5 3 14080
          6 6 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 6 6 6 5 13460
          15 7 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 7 7 8 9 12420
          9 8 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 8 10 7 7 12240
          4 9 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 9 8 10 8 11805
          7 10 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 10 9 9 12 11515
          12 11 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 11 12 11 11 10500
          17 12 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 12 11 14 10 10035
          8 13 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 13 13 12 13 9880
          13 14 Words - The Bee Gees 15 15 13 15 9060
          10 15 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 14 14 15 14 8845
          26 16 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 16 16 19 17 7190
          23 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 18 17 18 21 6900
          14 18 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 17 22 16 16 6825
          16 19 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 19 21 17 18 6605
          20 20 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 20 19 20 19 6170
          21 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 21 18 23 24 5195
          18 22 Everlasting Love - The Love Affair 22 26 21 20 4435
          19 23 Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 23 24 22 22 4415
          27 24 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 24 27 25 23 2980
          25 25 Judy In Disguise - John Fred and His Playboy Band 25 28 24 26 2775
          NEW 26 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 26 20 30 2285
          NEW 27 Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 27 25 30 29 1620
          NEW 28 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 28= 23 1600
          24 29 Anniversary Waltz - Anita Harris 29 27 1400
          30 30 Little Girl - The Troggs 26 1250
          Don't Stop The Carnival - The Alan Price Set 30 28 27 1090
          Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 28= 29 25 1010
          No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 28 255
          No Face No Name No Number - Traffic 30 200
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          • The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 13th 1968 NME MM RR Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 Hello Goodbye - The Beatles 1 1 3 1 15550
            2 2 Magical Mystery Tour (EP) - The Beatles 2 4 1 2 15365

            As a matter of interest (and mathematics) would these positions change if DAME is included as a 4th chart?
            Would a re-calculation result in the EP going to number one?

            PS your nice colour scheme did not copy across.

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            • Hi Brian. Disc and Music Echo's returns were by now (since August 1967 when DAME discontinued their own chart) already added to the MM tally of stores to produce the MM chart so the outcome would not differ.
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              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                There are a massive18 minor differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 23rd 1968

                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 23rd 1968 NME MM RR Total
                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                1 1 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 1 1 1 2 15965
                4 2 Delilah - Tom Jones 3 3 2 3 15230
                2 3 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 2 2 4 1 15100
                3 4 Rosie - Don Partridge 4 4 6 4 13945
                7 5 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 5 5 5 5 13910
                NEW 6 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 6 6 3 11 13700
                6 7 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 7 7 7 6 12925
                5 8 Fire Brigade - The Move 8 8 8 7 12390
                12 9 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 9 9 9 9 11770
                8 10 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 10 10 11 8 11155
                16 11 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 11 11 10 10 11035
                10 12 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 12 12 12 12 10165
                11 13 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 13 13 13 14 9545
                26 14 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 14 14 17 13 8430
                28 15 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 17 16 14 22 8015
                9 16 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 15 17 16 15 7910
                17 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 16 18 15 17 7790
                13 18 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 19 21 18 19 6270
                14 19 Words - The Bee Gees 18 20 20 16 6225
                NEW 20 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 22 15 19 6200
                21 21 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 20 19 21 20 5835
                15 22 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 21 22 22 18 5155
                20 23 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 24 24 24 25 3660
                24 24 Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 23 23 27 21 3450
                18 25 Suddenly You Love Me - The Tremeloes 27 28 26 26 2275
                NEW 26 Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 25 25 23 2180
                NEW 27 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 28 23 29 2170
                19 28 Gimme Little Sign - Brenton Wood 26 27 28 24 2145
                27 29 Nevertheless - Frankie Vaughan 29 25 29 30 1785
                NEW 30 Theme From 'Valley Of The Dolls' - Dionne Warwick 26 1000
                Back On My Feet Again - The Foundations 30 29 27 740
                No One Can Break A Heart Like You - The Dave Clark Five 28 255
                If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 30 250
                Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 30 200
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                • Ah, so 'The Legend Of Xanadu' was only a Record Retailer number 1?

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                  • Yeah Robbie. The Ofarims defended successfully for a 4th week on MM and NME and next week The Beatles will top all three charts.
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                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                      There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending March 30th 1968

                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending March 30th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                      6 1 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 1 1 2 1 15800
                      2 2 Delilah - Tom Jones 2 2 1 2 15765
                      1 3 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 3 3 3 4 14895
                      5 4 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 4 4 4 3 14530
                      3 5 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 5 5 6 5 13660
                      11 6 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 6 6 5 6 13625
                      4 7 Rosie - Don Partridge 7 8 7 7 12640
                      20 8 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 8 7 8 8 12505
                      7 9 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 9 9 9 9 11770
                      9 10 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 10 10 11 11 10900
                      15 11 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 11 11 10 12 10865
                      14 12 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 12 12 13 10 10085
                      8 13 Fire Brigade - The Move 13 13 12 13 9880
                      12 14 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 14 14 14 15 9010
                      17 15 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 15 15 16 14 8395
                      10 16 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 16 16 15 16 8275
                      13 17 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 17 18 17 17 7290
                      NEW 18 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 18 17 18 18 7155
                      21 19 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 19 19 19 19 6420
                      27 20 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 20 22 20 20 5485
                      NEW 21 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 21 23 24 21 4200
                      NEW 22 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 23= 23 21 4100
                      16 23 The Mighty Quinn - Manfred Mann 22 26 22 25 3760
                      NEW 24 Valleri - The Monkees 25 20 25 3700
                      NEW 25 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 23= 21 27 27 3340
                      19 26 Words - The Bee Gees 27 30 23 24 2795
                      22 27 Bend Me Shape Me - Amen Corner 26 28 26 22 2615
                      23 28 Am I That Easy To Forget - Engelbert Humperdinck 29 25 30 29 1620
                      18 29 Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 28 28 23 1430
                      30 30 Theme From 'Valley Of The Dolls' - Dionne Warwick 30 27 28 1055
                      Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 29 26 925
                      Dear Delilah - Grapefruit 29 30 485
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                      • Posters have suggested that NME were no longer counting advance orders, and these charts may be further evidence - although I realise that by now advance orders for Beatles records were not what they had been.

                        Also I notice that when Sgt Pepper entered the LP charts at number one NME felt the need to explain how this had happened, and they said it was because the album had been released for sale in the week before the official release date of 1st June 1967 (indeed Wikipedia now says that the release date was 26-May) and I think it is significant they made no mention of advance orders.

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                        • Sploodj you make it sound like the NME was counting sales. But the NME was simply adding up points from stores saying which records were selling. If a store put down a record in the return to NME it was them who were using the advanced order thing. But for the whole of the 60's charts that I have only seen records that were available at least for two days of the week covered.
                          Of course if a store had an order for say 200 record and they only sold 50 in the two days, there was nothing to stop them putting the record at the top of the top 50 return to NME, even if something else for the whole week had actually sold more copies. NME wouldn't know this, as the stores didn't put figures into the return as far as I know.
                          But if you think the NME is fast you only have to look at the 1970 charts, when BMRB were using actual sales, rather than points. Compare the NME (chart still using points) and the former slow moving RR chart is the fastest.
                          It might be that the NME was allowing advanced orders more in the 50's. But the records back them all came out in the first two weeks of the month. So you would only see advanced orders at the end of each month, records coming in before the new month!
                          When the new Friday day for release came in, sometime around 1962/63. I haven't been able to put a precise date on the Friday introduction. But I reckon it messed up the dealers no end. With dealers not knowing when certain records would be issued. The same thing happened in the 1980's when they switched from Friday to Monday. But some records where still issued on Friday and then Mondays for the rest! I bet the shops loved that!!
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                          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                            ... and next week The Beatles will top all three charts.
                            But you show Tom Jones at no. 1 in MM.

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                            • My Mistake Brian
                              I forgot MM went with Tom.
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                              • I would be interested to know where the suggestion comes from that NME included advance orders, but it seems more than likely that there were at least two instances where they did.

                                First there was The Sun 1964 article which was prompted by NME putting ‘Little Red Rooster’ at number one when the others had it at 9, 21 and 24. In their survey The Sun found that it ‘could not possibly have been the best-selling record of the week before’.

                                Then there was the 11-Dec-65 Melody Maker which set out in detail a justification of why the Beatles ‘Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out’ entered its chart only at number 3. I have not seen the article so do not know if it made an explicit claim about the NME, but it seems that in both cases there is at least an implication that they included advance orders.

                                The NME could have instructed their dealers to include ‘sales and advance orders’ in the records they ranked. Alternatively they could have simply seen the advance orders claimed by the record company, realised that it was going to be a number one and decided to be ahead of the game.

                                Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                                The same thing happened in the 1980's when they switched from Friday to Monday.
                                As I recall this started when CBS released an Abba record on a Monday.

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                                • ^
                                  The catalyst for Monday releases is most likely 'Going Underground' by The Jam in March 1980. Polydor Records deliberately held back the release until the Monday and in doing so The Jam not only scored their first number one but the record became the first to enter the chart at number 1 since December 1973. There will have been Monday releases before this but none had the impact this record did. Although it took a while for Monday releases to become the norm, the success of the release strategy behind 'Going Underground' did help shift release dates forward to the start rather than the end of the chart sales week.

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                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                    Three cracking new entries this week, Hollies, Paper Dolls, and Honeybus with what would become a Nimble bread advert. Wunderbar !

                                    There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

                                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 6th 1968

                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 6th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                    1 1 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 1 1 2 1 15800
                                    2 2 Delilah - Tom Jones 2 2 1 2 15765
                                    6 3 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 3= 3 3 5 14810
                                    8 4 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 3= 4 4 3 14530
                                    4 5 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 5 5 5 4 13995
                                    3 6 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 6 6 6 6 13375
                                    11 7 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 7 7 7 9 12670
                                    12 8 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 8 9 8 7 12190
                                    5 9 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich 9 8 9 8 12055
                                    18 10 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 10 10 10 11 11150
                                    7 11 Rosie - Don Partridge 11 11 11 10 10785
                                    10 12 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 13 12 13 14 9745
                                    9 13 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 12 14 12 13 9680
                                    15 14 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 14 13 15 12 9215
                                    24 15 Valleri - The Monkees 15= 15 16 19 7970
                                    22 16 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 15= 18 14 18 7955
                                    20 17 Ain't Nothin' But A House Party - The Showstoppers 17 16 19 16 7275
                                    25 18 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 18 17 18 20 6985
                                    14 19 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 21 20 17 21 6550
                                    13 20 Fire Brigade - The Move 19 19 20 17 6340
                                    21 21 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 20 21 21 15 5860
                                    17 22 Darlin' - The Beach Boys 22 23 22 22 4615
                                    NEW 23 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 23 22 24 23 4230
                                    16 24 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers 24 28 23 25 3110
                                    NEW 25 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 28 24 27 2400
                                    NEW 26 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 25 29 26 24 2245
                                    19 27 Guitar Man - Elvis Presley 27 30 25 26 2125
                                    NEW 28 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 26 26 28 27 2090
                                    NEW 29 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 29 25 1200
                                    NEW 30 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 30 27 800
                                    Love Is Blue - Jeff Beck 30 28 505
                                    Jumbo / The Singer Sang His Song - The Bee Gees 29 500
                                    Pictures Of Matchstick Men - Status Quo 29 170
                                    Theme From 'Valley Of The Dolls' - Dionne Warwick 30 85
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                                    • The Paper Dolls included Susie Mathis who later became a radio DJ and, for a very short time (two episodes, one from 1988 and one from 1989 if I recall), a Top Of The Pops presenter. Beating the Spice Girls by almost 30 years, each member of the trio had a nickname. Susie (then simply Susanne) was Tiger: the other band members were Susan "Copper" Marshall and Pauline "Spyder" Bennett. Their names didn't match their image. They looked quite dowdy rather than vampish or glam, like they'd been picked at random from a sewing machine or similar factory floor. The single 'Something Here In My Heart' has potential but is ruined by the vocals...

                                      Susie did get to play a part in a number 1 though. She was the vocal coach for St Winifred's School Choir and helped them learn to "sing" the words to their Christmas 1980 number 1...

                                      I do like 'I Can't Let Maggie Go' by Honeybus. Another great song from a one hit wonder act from this era. The song later turned up on a Nimble bread advert in the mid 1970s.

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                                      • I really liked the 'dolls' single. Sometimes imperfection is just so perfect.
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                                        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                          I would be interested to know where the suggestion comes from that NME included advance orders, but it seems more than likely that there were at least two instances where they did.

                                          First there was The Sun 1964 article which was prompted by NME putting ‘Little Red Rooster’ at number one when the others had it at 9, 21 and 24. In their survey The Sun found that it ‘could not possibly have been the best-selling record of the week before’.

                                          Then there was the 11-Dec-65 Melody Maker which set out in detail a justification of why the Beatles ‘Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out’ entered its chart only at number 3. I have not seen the article so do not know if it made an explicit claim about the NME, but it seems that in both cases there is at least an implication that they included advance orders.

                                          The NME could have instructed their dealers to include ‘sales and advance orders’ in the records they ranked. Alternatively they could have simply seen the advance orders claimed by the record company, realised that it was going to be a number one and decided to be ahead of the game.
                                          The problem is not that NME was using advanced orders, but they didn't give a clear directive to dealers on what to include in the chart.
                                          And the Sun was wrong. It quoted 8,000 shops. To get a 40K sale for the week in those shops, each one only needed to sell just FIVE copies. Any single that was popular can sell a huge amount in two days of chart action. Simply because one of those days was Saturday and most kids bought records on Saturday. Unless you lived very close to a record shop, by the time school finished on weekdays it was too late to get to a shop. Both the Stones and Beatles had massive fan bases. So when a new record came out they rushed out for it. Many of the big entries in Brian's charts and the component ones have records that have been out only two days.
                                          As I was only a young kid in the 60's so I never went into a 60's shop. But I do know later on that records were often in store well before the release date. I recall a David Bowie record being all over HMV in Sheffield. But it wasn't due while the following Monday. They were for sale too. A few days later, come Sunday NOT in the OCC chart. Entered the following week. That meant that any Bowie record sales was ignored by the OCC for the week before it's release. I suspect that records didn't arrive in some shops on the day it was issued, but maybe several days before. I just can't see trucks turning up outside record shops every Friday mourning before 9am to deliver the records. By the way shops used the railway to send records back and forth. I was on BR in 1977 and the Sheffield shops were using Red Star parcels to send records to and from London.

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                                          • ^
                                            I can only speak about the very late 70s and very early 80s here as that was when I did the bulk of my singles buying, but I used to go to my favourite record shop (Callers on Northumberland Street in Newcastle) on a Saturday morning and records were often being sold out of the boxes in which they had arrived. The guy that ran the record department would be trying to stock the shelves while the shop was open and if you asked for a single that had been released that weekend and if he hadn't yet had a chance to work his way through the package it was in he would just open the packaging and hand you the single. I was always impressed by how he knew which box to open as often there were several on the floor. Needless to say, of course, but the shop wasn't a chart return shop, at least not one that used diaries to record sales.

                                            On the other hand, HMV, further along Northumberland Street, rarely sold new singles on a Saturday. Unless the single was by a big act it would usually be Monday before the singles were out on the shelving display.

                                            I mentioned 'Going Underground' by The Jam in a previous post: I can remember going into Callers on a Saturday (I can date this to Saturday 8 March 1980) and asking for the single. The guy apologised, said he had it in stock, but said he had been instructed (by whom? I don't know, probably a rep from the label), to not sell the single until the Monday. I went in the following Saturday to buy the single and asked how it was selling. The answer? It was selling massively, helped by the fact that all initial copies were a double pack single (which I bought) and the guy said he thought it was going to go straight in at number 1. And he was right.

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                                            • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                              The catalyst for Monday releases is most likely 'Going Underground' by The Jam in March 1980.
                                              Yes, it appears the first Abba single released on Monday was 'The Winner Takes It All' in July.

                                              I bought my first records in 1962, or at least grown-ups bought them for me! I heard them on Playtime on the Light Programme at 4.30-5 after school each day, when they played ‘records for the young’.

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                                              • What were those first records Splodj ? The first I bought by myself after Christmas in 1963 were The Dave Clark Five, Dusty Springfield and The Beatles I Want To Hold Your Hand with money I got. I had already got She Loves You, and The Twist And Shout EP for Christmas.
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                                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                  Four joint #11's in the BBC chart this week. Even by now it was getting silly.

                                                  There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart

                                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 13th 1968

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 13th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                  4 1 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 1 1 2 1 15800
                                                  3 2 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 2 2 1 3 15680
                                                  2 3 Delilah - Tom Jones 3 3 3 2 15065
                                                  1 4 Lady Madonna - The Beatles 4 4 5 4 14195
                                                  10 5 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 5 6 4 5 13960
                                                  5 6 (Sittin' On) - The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 6 5 6 6 13575
                                                  7 7 Step Inside Love - Cilla Black 7 7 7 8 12755
                                                  16 8 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 8 8 8 7 12390
                                                  8 9 If I Were A Carpenter - The Four Tops 9 9 9 9 11770
                                                  6 10 Cinderella Rockefella - Esther and Abi Ofarim 10 10 11 11 10900
                                                  18 11 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 11= 12 10 17 10240
                                                  17 12 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 11= 11 12 16 10025
                                                  15 13 Valleri - The Monkees 11= 14 13 12 9515
                                                  23 14 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 11= 13 16 10 9135
                                                  9 15 The Legend Of Xanadu - Dave Dee, Dozy Beaky, Mick and Tich 16 15 14 18 8555
                                                  21 16 Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 15 18 15 13 8130
                                                  14 17 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat 17 16 17 19 7520
                                                  25 18 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 20 17 19 22 6565
                                                  11 19 Rosie - Don Partridge 18 19 20 15 6510
                                                  26 20 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 21 21 18 23 5930
                                                  28 21 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 19 20 22 14 5895
                                                  12 22 Me The Peaceful Heart - Lulu 22 23 21 21 4950
                                                  13 23 Jennifer Juniper - Donovan 23 22 24 24 4145
                                                  19 24 She Wears My Ring - Solomon King 24 27 25 27 2640
                                                  30 25 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 26= 23 28 2255
                                                  29 26 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 26= 24 28 30 2235
                                                  20 27 Fire Brigade - The Move 29 26 26 1675
                                                  NEW 28 Jumbo / The Singer Sang His Song - The Bee Gees 28 27 25 1510
                                                  NEW 29 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 30 25 1200
                                                  NEW 30 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 25 30 20 1135
                                                  I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 26 1000
                                                  Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 28 600
                                                  White Horses - Jacky 29 500
                                                  Darlin' - The Beach Boys 30 29 420
                                                  Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 29 400
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Of The Fifties And Sixties.

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                                                  • First record was 'That Noise' by Anthony Newley.

                                                    I admit that 'Love Me Do' passed me by, but got all the Beatles from 'Please Please Me' onwards. That it is not recognised as their first number one is an affront I take personally!

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