The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

Yeah the BBC system was wrong that week on so many levels. It was a perfect example of how the points alone system was weak. When considering a no 1 single how could they possibly consider a single that wasnt no 1 on any chart. It doesnt make sense. Their joint no 1 that week should have been just Beach Boys and Herb.

[Graham76man]

But anyone reading the article who was not aware of the context (NME putting them in at number one) would have been perplexed at why Epstein was singling out MM for criticism.

The media is a small world, for some reason they all turn up to the same events and the music press at that time would feed off each other. They paper was probably more interested in what it's rivals said and did then what the readers thought about things. If you were in the music business then, the paper would consider your thoughts and views. If you were a teen buying records then you were nobody to them.

The media hasn't changed much, just the way we get information has. The news media for example sees experts and victims. Experts being MP's, doctors or in some form of profession. And the victims are the rest of us.
Epstein was an expert, so had to be questioned or listened to. If Joe Blogs said something about the Beatles not being top he or she was ignored. Only if Joe Blogs was stopped from getting to the top would he be listened to, but as a victim then, not an expert.
Epstein was attacked by the media when the first Beatles single hit the shops. They accused him and his shops for hyping the record into the charts. Chances are that it was one of the Music press that started the rumour. Maybe Melody Maker itself. Perhaps this was still a sore point, with either Epstein or the paper?

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 18th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 18th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
5	1	Young Girl - The Union Gap					1	1	1	3	15880
1	2	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					2	2	4	1	15100
6	3	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					4	3	2	5	15060
4	4	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	4	3	2	14865
3	5	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					5	5	5	4	13995
2	6	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					6	6	6	6	13375
7	7	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					7	7	7	7	12840
8	8	Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams					8	8	8	9	12220
9	9	If I Only Had Time - John Rowles					9	9	9	8	11855
11	10	White Horses - Jacky					10	10	11	10	10985
18	11	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					11	11	10	11	10950
22	12	Joanna - Scott Walker					12	12	12	15	9910
10	13	Congratulations - Cliff Richard					13	14	13	12	9515
23	14	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					14	13	15	14	9045
12	15	Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies					15	17	17	13	7830
14	16	I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus					16	19	14	18	7755
13	17	Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls					17	21	16	17	6940
16	18	Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops					19	18	18	19	6870
28	19	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					20	15	19	24	6795
15	20	Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers					18	16	22	16	6525
20	21	Hello How Are You - The Easybeats					23	22	20	25	5060
19	22	Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney					22	24	21	22	4665
17	23	Delilah - Tom Jones					21	23	23	20	4535
25	24	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					24	20	25	23	4380
21	25	Little Green Apples - Roger Miller					25	25	24	21	3800
RE	26	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets					26	28	27	26	2025
24	27	Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes					27		26	28	1505
NEW	28	When We Were Young - Solomon King					28	26	29		1500
NEW	29	U.S. Male - Elvis Presley					29	27	30		1050
NEW	30	Friends - The Beach Boys							28		750
		Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick						29			400
		Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons					30			27	340
		Surprise Surprise - The Troggs						30			200
		(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding								29	170
		Valleri - The Monkees								30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 9 differences again this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 25th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 25th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Young Girl - The Union Gap					1	1	1	1	16050
3	2	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					2	2	2	3	15430
4	3	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	3	3	2	15065
2	4	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					4	4	4	5	14360
7	5	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					6	5	5	6	13825
5	6	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					5	6	6	4	13545
6	7	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					7	9	7	7	12440
11	8	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					8	8	8	9	12220
12	9	Joanna - Scott Walker					9	7	10	13	11580
8	10	Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams					10	13	9	8	11055
10	11	White Horses - Jacky					11	10	11	10	10985
14	12	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					12	11	12	12	10365
19	13	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					13	12	13	14	9745
9	14	If I Only Had Time - John Rowles					14	14	14	11	9350
24	15	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					15	15	15	15	8560
13	16	Congratulations - Cliff Richard					16	18	16	17	7540
29	17	U.S. Male - Elvis Presley					17	17	18	18	7155
RE	18	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					18	16	20	19	6770
18	19	Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops					20	20	19	22	5965
20	20	Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers					19	19	22	16	5925
21	21	Hello How Are You - The Easybeats					21	21	21	24	5095
16	22	I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus					22	29	17	23	4580
17	23	Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls					24	24	23	25	3910
15	24	Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies					23	25	24	21	3800
23	25	Delilah - Tom Jones					25	22	25	27	3640
28	26	When We Were Young - Solomon King					27	22	28	28	2805
22	27	Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney					28	26	27	26	2425
25	28	Little Green Apples - Roger Miller					26		26	20	2185
NEW	29	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					29	26	29		1500
NEW	30	Any Old Time You're Lonely And Sad - The Foundations					30	26			1000
		Friends - The Beach Boys							30	29	420
		Baby Come Back - The Equals						30			200
		Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets								30	85

[Robbie]

Welcome back to Dionne Warwick. Her single charted on the UAC (is it OK to call your chart that rather than typing out Ultimate Averaged Chart each time?!) at number 29 because the single had charted at number 24 on the NME chart dated 11/05/68. On the RR chart it was nowhere to be seen, either in the top 50 or the Breakers chart. I guess we'll never know where it was on the MM chart as by now 31-50 wasn't being published. The following week it dropped to #29 on the NME chart and therefore fell off the UAC. On RR it was new in at #32. But it's good to see the record bouncing back by entering all three component charts and re-entering the UAC at #18. I wonder why it charted so early on the NME charts?

[MrTibbs]

Yeah Robbie it's cool to abbreviate The Ultimate Averaged Chart to UAC rather than spelling it out in full each time. Yeah Dionne is heading for the Top Ten this time. I think NME were ahead (as they were most weeks with New Entries) either because of advanced orders, as they were known to include, or the chart shops they sampled had new releases in stock before the larger stores who would tend to order safely by only ordering records already on the chart.

1968 is getting even more interesting as more and more of my favourite memories from that year take their turn on the chart. There are still loads to appear that totally blew me away.

[brian05]

NEW 29 I Pretend - Des O'Connor

Des O'Connor died yesterday.

[Splodj]

Epstein was attacked by the media when the first Beatles single hit the shops.

RRs low sampling not only appeared to underplace Please Please Me but also overplace Love Me Do.

One of the widest known historical 'chart facts' is that the first Beatles record got to number 17, but in the BBC chart it peaked at 24. Not much difference, but symbolically outside the Top 20.

It will be interesting to see how it performs in the Ultimate.

[MrTibbs]

If you thought there were wide variations in the chart positions sometimes between the music papers charts 64 to 68 wait till you see early1960 when all the charts are lined up against each other side by side, some have a record in the top ten while others don't even have it in the top twenty. The positions are all over the place, and that's just NME, RM, MM, and Disc, with RR yet to join them in March.

[Splodj]

I seem to recall Dave Taylor posting somewhere that RM used a different sampling period (i.e. not week ending Saturday) for a time, or some such difference.

[MrTibbs]

You are right Splodj, but if I remember correctly Dave told me RM changed their date to a bit later in the week in May 1960 hence why the BBC stopped including RM in their chart as the new day was too late for their compilation. This also ties in with Dave and Trevor's comments on their BBC Chart manuscript.

In January 1960 there is no one chart out of step with the others like we often saw with RR , all the charts go their own way mainly below the top 3.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

In comes Donovan with the superb Hurdy Gurdy Man and The Stones return with their first decent single in a year.

There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 1st 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 1st 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Young Girl - The Union Gap					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					2	2	2	2	15515
3	3	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	3	3	3	14980
5	4	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					4	4	4	6	14275
4	5	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					5	5	5	4	13995
8	6	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					6	6	6	7	13290
6	7	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					7	8	7	5	12810
9	8	Joanna - Scott Walker					8	7	8	8	12505
7	9	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					9	9	9	11	11600
15	10	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					10	11	12	10	10535
12	11	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					11	14	11	12	10015
13	12	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					12=	10	14	15	9810
10	13	Can't Take Me Eyes Off You - Andy Williams					14	16	10	13	9780
11	14	White Horses - Jacky					15	13	13	14	9545
18	15	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					12=	15	15	9	9070
NEW	16	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					16	12	17	18	8405
17	17	U. S. Male - Elvis Presley					17	17	16	16	7825
14	18	If I Only Had Time - John Rowles					18	18	18	17	7040
29	19	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					19	19	20	22	5915
20	20	Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers					20	21	22	23	4930
26	21	When We Were Young - Solomon King					21	26	21	21	4350
16	22	Congratulations - Cliff Richard					24		19	24	3595
NEW	23	Baby Come Back - The Equals					22	23	27	20	3535
NEW	24	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					25	20	26		3450
25	25	Delilah - Tom Jones					23	29	23	19	3420
19	26	Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops					27	27	24		2550
NEW	27	Time For Livin' - The Association					26	22		26	2225
21	28	Hello How Are You - The Easybeats					30		25	30	1585
NEW	29	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					29	24			1400
NEW	30	Anyone For Tennis - Cream						25			1200
		Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies							28	29	920
		Lovin' Things - The Marmalade						27			800
		Friends - The Beach Boys					28		30	25	760
		Think - Aretha Franklin						30		27	540
		I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus							29		500
		Happy Song - Otis Redding								28	255

[Robbie]

Have the additional records that aren't inside your top 30 been left off the above post by mistake?

[MrTibbs]

Yeah Robbie, thanks for noticing that. I have edited and included them now.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Marmalade enter with Lovin' Things. Perfect pop single for a perfect year.

There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 8th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 8th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Young Girl - The Union Gap					1	1	1	1	16050
2	2	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					2	2	2	3	15430
16	3	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					4	4	2	4	14945
3	4	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	3	4	2	14815
4	5	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					5	5	6	6	13575
8	6	Joanna - Scott Walker					6	6	7	7	13040
10	7	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					8	8	5	10	12885
6	8	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					7	7	9	5	12510
15	9	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					9	9	8	8	12105
5	10	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					10	10	10	11	11150
12	11	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					12	11	13	14	9945
9	12	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					13	14	11	13	9930
7	13	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					11	12	15	9	9670
11	14	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					14	16	12	12	9365
24	15	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					15	13	14	17	9040
17	16	U.S. Male - Elvis Presley					16	17	17	15	7660
14	17	White Horses - Jacky					17	21	16	16	7025
29	18	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					18	15	21	20	6635
23	19	Baby Come Back - The Equals					19	20	19	19	6220
19	20	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					20	18	20	22	6115
13	21	Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams					21	22	18	21	5900
18	22	If I Only Had Time - John Rowles					22	26	22	18	4355
21	23	When We Were Young - Solomon King					23	24	23	24	3995
NEW	24	Lovin' Things - The Marmalade					25	19	27		3400
27	25	Time For Livin' - The Association					24	23	26	25	3360
25	26	Delilah - Tom Jones					26	30	24	23	2630
NEW	27	Think - Aretha Franklin					27	28	25	26	2525
NEW	28	Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith					28	26	29	30	1585
30	29	Anyone For Tennis - Cream					29=	25			1200
22	30	Congratulations - Cliff Richard							28	28	1005
		Happy Song - Otis Redding					29=	29		27	740
		Tribute To a King - William Bell							30		250
		Friends - The Beach Boys								29	170

[Robbie]

This is just a general observation about the charts in general from 1968: am I imagining it or have the charts over the "past year" (1967/8) become much slower moving with records taking longer to reach a peak? Annual singles sales were much lower in the late 1960s than when The Beatles, The Rolling Stones et al were in their prime around 1964 / 1965. There seems to be fewer records making instant impacts on the charts and then falling away quickly and instead many big hits are racking up lengthy chart runs. Had "the scene" (a term which seems to have been in common usage back then) become stale? Were there fewer big acts who were catching the immediate attention of younger record buyers which in turn meant that singles sales were falling back. The older generation still seem to be keen on buying singles. This trend would actualy become more common until glam came along in the early 1970s to shake up the chart.

[MrTibbs]

I think Robbie it was down to album sales beginning to really take off from 1967 onwards. So more youngsters bought the album rather than the singles taken from it. As you said most older record buyers continued to buy singles hence why ballads were very much to the fore in 67 and 68.

That said, although single sales did indeed drop in the second half of the sixties it was still a healthy market and wow we were still getting a cartload of 3 minute gems to keep the singles market buoyant.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 15th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 15th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Young Girl - The Union Gap					1	1	2	1	15800
3	2	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					2	2	1	2	15765
2	3	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					3	3	3	3	14980
4	4	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					4	4	5	4	14195
7	5	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					5	5	4	6	14075
15	6	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					6	6	7	7	13040
9	7	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					8	8	6	9	12720
18	8	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					7	7	8	8	12505
8	9	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					9	9	9	5	12110
5	10	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					10	10	10	10	11235
6	11	Joanna - Scott Walker					11	11	12	11	10450
19	12	Baby Come Back - The Equals					12	12	11	14	10245
20	13	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					13	13	13	13	9630
10	14	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					14	15	14	12	9065
11	15	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					15	14	15	15	8760
12	16	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					16	17	17	16	7575
14	17	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					17	18	16	17	7540
24	18	Lovin' Things - The Marmalade					18	16	22	18	6355
13	19	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					20	19	19	21	6250
17	20	White Horses - Jacky					19	22	18	19	6070
28	21	Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith					21	20	21	20	5635
16	22	U.S. Male - Elvis Presley					22	23	20	22	5115
25	23	Time For Livin' - The Association					23	21	23	28	4255
21	24	Can't Take My Eyes Of You - Andy Williams					24	26	24	26	3175
NEW	25	Boy - Lulu					25	24	26	30	2735
27	26	Think - Aretha Franklin					27	30	25	27	2040
22	27	If I Only Had Time - John Rowles					26		27	23	1680
23	28	When We Were Young - Solomon King					28		28	24	1345
29	29	Anyone For Tennis - Cream					30	25			1200
26	30	Delilah - Tom Jones					29		29	25	1010
		Now - Val Doonican						27			800
		Happy Song - Otis Redding						28		29	770
		My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann						29			400
		Tribute To A King - William Bell							30		250

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

The anthemic Yesterday Has Gone from Cupid's Inspiration graces the chart this week. Sweet One !

There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 22nd 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 22nd 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	1	16050
1	2	Young Girl - The Union Gap					2	2	2	2	15515
6	3	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					3	4	3	3	14780
8	4	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					4	3	5	4	14395
3	5	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					5	5	4	6	14075
5	6	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					6	7	6	5	13260
12	7	Baby Come Back - The Equals					7	6	8	7	12790
4	8	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					10	10	7	10	11985
7	9	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					8	9	9	8	11855
13	10	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					9	8	10	9	11720
9	11	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					11	13	11	11	10300
18	12	Lovin' Things - The Marmalade					12	12	12	12	10165
21	13	Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith					13	11	13	13	10030
10	14	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					14	14	15	14	8845
11	15	Joanna - Scott Walker					15	15	14	15	8810
15	16	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					16	19	16	18	7255
14	17	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					17	18	17	20	7035
16	18	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					18	20	19	17	6390
25	19	Boy - Lulu					20	17	20	22	6315
17	20	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					19	24	18	16	5925
NEW	21	My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann					21	16	23	21	5850
20	22	White Horses - Jacky					22	25	21	19	4720
23	23	Time For Livin' - The Association					23	22	22	26	4475
22	24	U.S. Male - Elvis Presley					24		24	23	2430
NEW	25	Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration					26	21			2000
NEW	26	Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express					25	25		25	1710
26	27	Think - Aretha Franklin					30		25	29	1670
19	28	Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces					27	29	27	28	1655
NEW	29	Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles					29	23			1600
24	30	Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams					28		26	27	1590
		Tribute To A King - William Bell						27			800
		When We Were Young - Solomon King							28		750
		One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim						28			600
		Happy Song - Otis Redding								24	595
		If I Only Had Time - John Rowles							29	30	585
		Delilah - Tom Jones							30		250
		Quando M'Innamoro - The Sandpipers						30			200

[Splodj]

BBC tiebreaking again.

On 15th June: 7,8,9 and 19,20. On 22nd June: 9,10 and 27,28 and 29,30.

The 'trend' method used in all cases.

[Graham76man]

I think Robbie it was down to album sales beginning to really take off from 1967 onwards. So more youngsters bought the album rather than the singles taken from it. As you said most older record buyers continued to buy singles hence why ballads were very much to the fore in 67 and 68.

That said, although single sales did indeed drop in the second half of the sixties it was still a healthy market and wow we were still getting a cartload of 3 minute gems to keep the singles market buoyant.

I think some of it was to do with the way the charts were compiled during the period especially that of the Melody Maker. It's much slower than it was. Even compared with the others. Take Brian's last chart, all of his top thirty entries are missing from Melody Maker, except Manfred and that's lower than the rest. It might be that the Maker took the hyping allegations to heart and started to vet the records more before allowing them in the charts. That's just my thoughts on it. Nevertheless I noticed that MM was very much slower in 1967 than it was in 1966 with the new hits and it doesn't look like it was any quicker in 1968.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

In comes the epic Macarthur Park by Richard Harris like a breath of fresh air to the chart. Loved and loathed in equal measure, but for me the former applied. Richard Harris's 'unusual' singing style caressing the lyrics made this his own. For me THE version.

Watch out though, Sue Nicholls and arguably one of the worst records ever to grace a chart is going to make it's presence felt.

There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 29th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 29th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	1	16050
7	2	Baby Come Back - The Equals					2	2	2	3	15430
2	3	Young Girl - The Union Gap					3	5	3	2	14665
4	4	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					4	3	4	4	14645
3	5	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					5	4	5	5	14110
10	6	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					6	6	6	6	13375
6	7	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					7	7	8	8	12505
13	8	Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith					8	8	9	7	12140
5	9	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					9	10	7	10	11985
12	10	Lovin' Things - The Marmalade					10	9	10	9	11520
21	11	My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann					11	11	11	11	10700
9	12	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					12	12	12	13	10080
8	13	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					13	14	13	14	9345
19	14	Boy - Lulu					14	15	15	15	8560
25	15	Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration					15	13	17	16	8375
11	16	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					17	18	14	17	8040
26	17	Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express					16	17	19	12	7415
29	18	Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles					18	15	22	18	6555
15	19	Joanna - Scott Walker					19	21	18	19	6270
17	20	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					21	24	16	20	6085
NEW	21	One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim					20	19	20	21	6000
14	22	I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd					22	21	21	22	5265
23	23	Time For Livin' - The Association					23	26	23	23	3680
NEW	24	Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells					24	23	27	26	3025
16	25	Helule Helule - The Tremeloes					25		24	24	2345
NEW	26	D. W. Washburn - The Monkees					26	20			2200
18	27	Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company					27		26	25	1760
20	28	Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits					30		25		1500
22	29	White Horses - Jacky					28	30	28	28	1205
NEW	30	Macarthur Park - Richard Harris					29	25			1200
		Dogs - The Who						28	29		1100
		Think - Aretha Franklin						29	30	29	820
		Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls						27			800
		If I Only Had Time - John Rowles								27	340
		When We Were Young - Solomon King								30	85

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Another 2 outstanding new entries this week further complimenting the 1968 Hall Of Fame. Arthur Brown's Fire, and Dusty's wistful I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten.

There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 6th 1968.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 6th 1968								NME	MM	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC		TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Baby Come Back - The Equals					1	1	1	1	16050
1	2	Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones					2	2	2	3	15430
8	3	Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith					3	3	3	2	15065
4	4	Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan					4	6	4	4	14045
6	5	I Pretend - Des O'Connor					5	5	5	5	13910
5	6	Blue Eyes - Don Partridge					6	4	6	7	13690
3	7	Young Girl - The Union Gap					8	7	7	10	12585
11	8	My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann					9	8	8	9	12220
10	9	Lovin' Things - The Marmalade					7	9	9	6	12025
17	10	Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express					11	11	10	11	10950
15	11	Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration					10	10	13	8	10655
7	12	This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity					12	12	12	13	10080
9	13	Honey - Bobby Goldsboro					13	13	11	16	9875
18	14	Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles					14	14	16	12	8765
12	15	Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick					16	16	14	17	8440
21	16	One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim					15	17	15	15	8160
24	17	Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells					17	15	21	14	7145
30	18	Macarthur Park - Richard Harris					18	18	17	19	7120
14	19	Boy - Lulu					19	19	18	18	6755
20	20	What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong					21	23	19	22	5365
13	21	A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck					22	21	20	25	5260
26	22	D. W. Washburn - The Monkees					20	20	24	20	4885
16	23	Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair					23	27	22	21	3900
NEW	24	I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard					24	22	27	27	3140
19	25	Joanna - Scott Walker					25		23	23	2680
23	26	Time For Livin' - The Association					26		25	24	2095
NEW	27	Dogs - The Who					27		26	26	1675
NEW	28	Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown					28	26	29	30	1585
NEW	29	Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls					30	24			1400
NEW	30	I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield					29	24			1400
		Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company							28		750
		Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor						28			600
		America - The Nice						29			400
		Helule Helule - The Tremeloes								28	255
		Think - Aretha Franklin							30		250
		U.S. Male - Elvis Presley						30			200
		White Horses - Jacky								29	170

[membranemusic]

In answer to Robbie, as well as others' comments, in my opinion the main reason why chart runs became longer in 67/68 is because of the influence of the fast pirate radio charts during 65/66/67. Once they were outlawed in 1967, everyone had to start thinking for themselves again!

[membranemusic]

Mr Tibbs: yes please I look forward to you proceeding with the UAC for 1960 to 1963! Strange and innocent times.