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  • Yeah the BBC system was wrong that week on so many levels. It was a perfect example of how the points alone system was weak. When considering a no 1 single how could they possibly consider a single that wasnt no 1 on any chart. It doesnt make sense. Their joint no 1 that week should have been just Beach Boys and Herb.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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    • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
      But anyone reading the article who was not aware of the context (NME putting them in at number one) would have been perplexed at why Epstein was singling out MM for criticism.
      The media is a small world, for some reason they all turn up to the same events and the music press at that time would feed off each other. They paper was probably more interested in what it's rivals said and did then what the readers thought about things. If you were in the music business then, the paper would consider your thoughts and views. If you were a teen buying records then you were nobody to them.

      The media hasn't changed much, just the way we get information has. The news media for example sees experts and victims. Experts being MP's, doctors or in some form of profession. And the victims are the rest of us.
      Epstein was an expert, so had to be questioned or listened to. If Joe Blogs said something about the Beatles not being top he or she was ignored. Only if Joe Blogs was stopped from getting to the top would he be listened to, but as a victim then, not an expert.
      Epstein was attacked by the media when the first Beatles single hit the shops. They accused him and his shops for hyping the record into the charts. Chances are that it was one of the Music press that started the rumour. Maybe Melody Maker itself. Perhaps this was still a sore point, with either Epstein or the paper?
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

        There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 18th 1968.

        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 18th 1968 NME MM RR Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
        5 1 Young Girl - The Union Gap 1 1 1 3 15880
        1 2 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 2 2 4 1 15100
        6 3 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 4 3 2 5 15060
        4 4 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 4 3 2 14865
        3 5 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 5 5 5 4 13995
        2 6 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 6 6 6 6 13375
        7 7 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 7 7 7 7 12840
        8 8 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 8 8 8 9 12220
        9 9 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 9 9 9 8 11855
        11 10 White Horses - Jacky 10 10 11 10 10985
        18 11 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 11 11 10 11 10950
        22 12 Joanna - Scott Walker 12 12 12 15 9910
        10 13 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 13 14 13 12 9515
        23 14 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 14 13 15 14 9045
        12 15 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 15 17 17 13 7830
        14 16 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 16 19 14 18 7755
        13 17 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 17 21 16 17 6940
        16 18 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 19 18 18 19 6870
        28 19 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 20 15 19 24 6795
        15 20 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 18 16 22 16 6525
        20 21 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 23 22 20 25 5060
        19 22 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 22 24 21 22 4665
        17 23 Delilah - Tom Jones 21 23 23 20 4535
        25 24 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 24 20 25 23 4380
        21 25 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 25 25 24 21 3800
        RE 26 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 26 28 27 26 2025
        24 27 Forever Came Today - Diana Ross and The Supremes 27 26 28 1505
        NEW 28 When We Were Young - Solomon King 28 26 29 1500
        NEW 29 U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 29 27 30 1050
        NEW 30 Friends - The Beach Boys 28 750
        Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 29 400
        Captain Of Your Ship - Reparata and The Delrons 30 27 340
        Surprise Surprise - The Troggs 30 200
        (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding 29 170
        Valleri - The Monkees 30 85
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

          There are 9 differences again this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 25th 1968.

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 25th 1968 NME MM RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Young Girl - The Union Gap 1 1 1 1 16050
          3 2 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 2 2 2 3 15430
          4 3 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 3 3 2 15065
          2 4 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 4 4 4 5 14360
          7 5 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 6 5 5 6 13825
          5 6 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 5 6 6 4 13545
          6 7 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 7 9 7 7 12440
          11 8 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 8 8 8 9 12220
          12 9 Joanna - Scott Walker 9 7 10 13 11580
          8 10 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 10 13 9 8 11055
          10 11 White Horses - Jacky 11 10 11 10 10985
          14 12 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 12 11 12 12 10365
          19 13 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 13 12 13 14 9745
          9 14 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 14 14 14 11 9350
          24 15 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 15 15 15 15 8560
          13 16 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 16 18 16 17 7540
          29 17 U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 17 17 18 18 7155
          RE 18 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 18 16 20 19 6770
          18 19 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 20 20 19 22 5965
          20 20 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 19 19 22 16 5925
          21 21 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 21 21 21 24 5095
          16 22 I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 22 29 17 23 4580
          17 23 Something Here In My Heart - The Paper Dolls 24 24 23 25 3910
          15 24 Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 23 25 24 21 3800
          23 25 Delilah - Tom Jones 25 22 25 27 3640
          28 26 When We Were Young - Solomon King 27 22 28 28 2805
          22 27 Somewhere In The Country - Gene Pitney 28 26 27 26 2425
          25 28 Little Green Apples - Roger Miller 26 26 20 2185
          NEW 29 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 29 26 29 1500
          NEW 30 Any Old Time You're Lonely And Sad - The Foundations 30 26 1000
          Friends - The Beach Boys 30 29 420
          Baby Come Back - The Equals 30 200
          Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 30 85
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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          • Welcome back to Dionne Warwick. Her single charted on the UAC (is it OK to call your chart that rather than typing out Ultimate Averaged Chart each time?!) at number 29 because the single had charted at number 24 on the NME chart dated 11/05/68. On the RR chart it was nowhere to be seen, either in the top 50 or the Breakers chart. I guess we'll never know where it was on the MM chart as by now 31-50 wasn't being published. The following week it dropped to #29 on the NME chart and therefore fell off the UAC. On RR it was new in at #32. But it's good to see the record bouncing back by entering all three component charts and re-entering the UAC at #18. I wonder why it charted so early on the NME charts?

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            • Yeah Robbie it's cool to abbreviate The Ultimate Averaged Chart to UAC rather than spelling it out in full each time. Yeah Dionne is heading for the Top Ten this time. I think NME were ahead (as they were most weeks with New Entries) either because of advanced orders, as they were known to include, or the chart shops they sampled had new releases in stock before the larger stores who would tend to order safely by only ordering records already on the chart.

              1968 is getting even more interesting as more and more of my favourite memories from that year take their turn on the chart. There are still loads to appear that totally blew me away.
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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              • NEW 29 I Pretend - Des O'Connor

                Des O'Connor died yesterday.

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                • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                  Epstein was attacked by the media when the first Beatles single hit the shops.
                  RRs low sampling not only appeared to underplace Please Please Me but also overplace Love Me Do.

                  One of the widest known historical 'chart facts' is that the first Beatles record got to number 17, but in the BBC chart it peaked at 24. Not much difference, but symbolically outside the Top 20.

                  It will be interesting to see how it performs in the Ultimate.

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                  • If you thought there were wide variations in the chart positions sometimes between the music papers charts 64 to 68 wait till you see early1960 when all the charts are lined up against each other side by side, some have a record in the top ten while others don't even have it in the top twenty. The positions are all over the place, and that's just NME, RM, MM, and Disc, with RR yet to join them in March.
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                    • I seem to recall Dave Taylor posting somewhere that RM used a different sampling period (i.e. not week ending Saturday) for a time, or some such difference.

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                      • You are right Splodj, but if I remember correctly Dave told me RM changed their date to a bit later in the week in May 1960 hence why the BBC stopped including RM in their chart as the new day was too late for their compilation. This also ties in with Dave and Trevor's comments on their BBC Chart manuscript.

                        In January 1960 there is no one chart out of step with the others like we often saw with RR , all the charts go their own way mainly below the top 3.
                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                          In comes Donovan with the superb Hurdy Gurdy Man and The Stones return with their first decent single in a year.

                          There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 1st 1968.

                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 1st 1968 NME MM RR Total
                          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                          1 1 Young Girl - The Union Gap 1 1 1 1 16050
                          2 2 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 2 2 2 2 15515
                          3 3 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 3 3 3 14980
                          5 4 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 4 4 4 6 14275
                          4 5 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 5 5 5 4 13995
                          8 6 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 6 6 6 7 13290
                          6 7 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 7 8 7 5 12810
                          9 8 Joanna - Scott Walker 8 7 8 8 12505
                          7 9 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 9 9 9 11 11600
                          15 10 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 10 11 12 10 10535
                          12 11 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 11 14 11 12 10015
                          13 12 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 12= 10 14 15 9810
                          10 13 Can't Take Me Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 14 16 10 13 9780
                          11 14 White Horses - Jacky 15 13 13 14 9545
                          18 15 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 12= 15 15 9 9070
                          NEW 16 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 16 12 17 18 8405
                          17 17 U. S. Male - Elvis Presley 17 17 16 16 7825
                          14 18 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 18 18 18 17 7040
                          29 19 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 19 19 20 22 5915
                          20 20 Ain't Nothin' But A Houseparty - The Showstoppers 20 21 22 23 4930
                          26 21 When We Were Young - Solomon King 21 26 21 21 4350
                          16 22 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 24 19 24 3595
                          NEW 23 Baby Come Back - The Equals 22 23 27 20 3535
                          NEW 24 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 25 20 26 3450
                          25 25 Delilah - Tom Jones 23 29 23 19 3420
                          19 26 Cry Like A Baby - The Box Tops 27 27 24 2550
                          NEW 27 Time For Livin' - The Association 26 22 26 2225
                          21 28 Hello How Are You - The Easybeats 30 25 30 1585
                          NEW 29 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 29 24 1400
                          NEW 30 Anyone For Tennis - Cream 25 1200
                          Jennifer Eccles - The Hollies 28 29 920
                          Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 27 800
                          Friends - The Beach Boys 28 30 25 760
                          Think - Aretha Franklin 30 27 540
                          I Can't Let Maggie Go - The Honeybus 29 500
                          Happy Song - Otis Redding 28 255
                          Last edited by MrTibbs; Sun November 15, 2020, 22:44. Reason: I omitted the records outside The Top Thirty guys, sorry, so here it is in complete form now.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                          • Have the additional records that aren't inside your top 30 been left off the above post by mistake?

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                            • Yeah Robbie, thanks for noticing that. I have edited and included them now.
                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                Marmalade enter with Lovin' Things. Perfect pop single for a perfect year.

                                There are 11 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 8th 1968.
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 8th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                1 1 Young Girl - The Union Gap 1 1 1 1 16050
                                2 2 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 2 2 2 3 15430
                                16 3 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 4 4 2 4 14945
                                3 4 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 3 3 4 2 14815
                                4 5 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 5 5 6 6 13575
                                8 6 Joanna - Scott Walker 6 6 7 7 13040
                                10 7 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 8 8 5 10 12885
                                6 8 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 7 7 9 5 12510
                                15 9 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 9 9 8 8 12105
                                5 10 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 10 10 10 11 11150
                                12 11 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 12 11 13 14 9945
                                9 12 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 13 14 11 13 9930
                                7 13 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 11 12 15 9 9670
                                11 14 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 14 16 12 12 9365
                                24 15 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 15 13 14 17 9040
                                17 16 U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 16 17 17 15 7660
                                14 17 White Horses - Jacky 17 21 16 16 7025
                                29 18 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 18 15 21 20 6635
                                23 19 Baby Come Back - The Equals 19 20 19 19 6220
                                19 20 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 20 18 20 22 6115
                                13 21 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 21 22 18 21 5900
                                18 22 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 22 26 22 18 4355
                                21 23 When We Were Young - Solomon King 23 24 23 24 3995
                                NEW 24 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 25 19 27 3400
                                27 25 Time For Livin' - The Association 24 23 26 25 3360
                                25 26 Delilah - Tom Jones 26 30 24 23 2630
                                NEW 27 Think - Aretha Franklin 27 28 25 26 2525
                                NEW 28 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 28 26 29 30 1585
                                30 29 Anyone For Tennis - Cream 29= 25 1200
                                22 30 Congratulations - Cliff Richard 28 28 1005
                                Happy Song - Otis Redding 29= 29 27 740
                                Tribute To a King - William Bell 30 250
                                Friends - The Beach Boys 29 170
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                • This is just a general observation about the charts in general from 1968: am I imagining it or have the charts over the "past year" (1967/8) become much slower moving with records taking longer to reach a peak? Annual singles sales were much lower in the late 1960s than when The Beatles, The Rolling Stones et al were in their prime around 1964 / 1965. There seems to be fewer records making instant impacts on the charts and then falling away quickly and instead many big hits are racking up lengthy chart runs. Had "the scene" (a term which seems to have been in common usage back then) become stale? Were there fewer big acts who were catching the immediate attention of younger record buyers which in turn meant that singles sales were falling back. The older generation still seem to be keen on buying singles. This trend would actualy become more common until glam came along in the early 1970s to shake up the chart.

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                                  • I think Robbie it was down to album sales beginning to really take off from 1967 onwards. So more youngsters bought the album rather than the singles taken from it. As you said most older record buyers continued to buy singles hence why ballads were very much to the fore in 67 and 68.

                                    That said, although single sales did indeed drop in the second half of the sixties it was still a healthy market and wow we were still getting a cartload of 3 minute gems to keep the singles market buoyant.
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                      There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 15th 1968.

                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 15th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                      1 1 Young Girl - The Union Gap 1 1 2 1 15800
                                      3 2 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 2 2 1 2 15765
                                      2 3 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 3 3 3 3 14980
                                      4 4 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 4 4 5 4 14195
                                      7 5 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 5 5 4 6 14075
                                      15 6 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 6 6 7 7 13040
                                      9 7 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 8 8 6 9 12720
                                      18 8 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 7 7 8 8 12505
                                      8 9 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 9 9 9 5 12110
                                      5 10 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 10 10 10 10 11235
                                      6 11 Joanna - Scott Walker 11 11 12 11 10450
                                      19 12 Baby Come Back - The Equals 12 12 11 14 10245
                                      20 13 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 13 13 13 13 9630
                                      10 14 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 14 15 14 12 9065
                                      11 15 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 15 14 15 15 8760
                                      12 16 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 16 17 17 16 7575
                                      14 17 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 17 18 16 17 7540
                                      24 18 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 18 16 22 18 6355
                                      13 19 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 20 19 19 21 6250
                                      17 20 White Horses - Jacky 19 22 18 19 6070
                                      28 21 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 21 20 21 20 5635
                                      16 22 U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 22 23 20 22 5115
                                      25 23 Time For Livin' - The Association 23 21 23 28 4255
                                      21 24 Can't Take My Eyes Of You - Andy Williams 24 26 24 26 3175
                                      NEW 25 Boy - Lulu 25 24 26 30 2735
                                      27 26 Think - Aretha Franklin 27 30 25 27 2040
                                      22 27 If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 26 27 23 1680
                                      23 28 When We Were Young - Solomon King 28 28 24 1345
                                      29 29 Anyone For Tennis - Cream 30 25 1200
                                      26 30 Delilah - Tom Jones 29 29 25 1010
                                      Now - Val Doonican 27 800
                                      Happy Song - Otis Redding 28 29 770
                                      My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 29 400
                                      Tribute To A King - William Bell 30 250
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                      • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                        The anthemic Yesterday Has Gone from Cupid's Inspiration graces the chart this week. Sweet One !

                                        There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                        Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 22nd 1968.

                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 22nd 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                        2 1 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 16050
                                        1 2 Young Girl - The Union Gap 2 2 2 2 15515
                                        6 3 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 3 4 3 3 14780
                                        8 4 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 4 3 5 4 14395
                                        3 5 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 5 5 4 6 14075
                                        5 6 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 6 7 6 5 13260
                                        12 7 Baby Come Back - The Equals 7 6 8 7 12790
                                        4 8 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 10 10 7 10 11985
                                        7 9 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 8 9 9 8 11855
                                        13 10 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 9 8 10 9 11720
                                        9 11 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 11 13 11 11 10300
                                        18 12 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 12 12 12 12 10165
                                        21 13 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 13 11 13 13 10030
                                        10 14 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 14 14 15 14 8845
                                        11 15 Joanna - Scott Walker 15 15 14 15 8810
                                        15 16 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 16 19 16 18 7255
                                        14 17 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 17 18 17 20 7035
                                        16 18 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 18 20 19 17 6390
                                        25 19 Boy - Lulu 20 17 20 22 6315
                                        17 20 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 19 24 18 16 5925
                                        NEW 21 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 21 16 23 21 5850
                                        20 22 White Horses - Jacky 22 25 21 19 4720
                                        23 23 Time For Livin' - The Association 23 22 22 26 4475
                                        22 24 U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 24 24 23 2430
                                        NEW 25 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 26 21 2000
                                        NEW 26 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 25 25 25 1710
                                        26 27 Think - Aretha Franklin 30 25 29 1670
                                        19 28 Lazy Sunday - The Small Faces 27 29 27 28 1655
                                        NEW 29 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 29 23 1600
                                        24 30 Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Andy Williams 28 26 27 1590
                                        Tribute To A King - William Bell 27 800
                                        When We Were Young - Solomon King 28 750
                                        One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 28 600
                                        Happy Song - Otis Redding 24 595
                                        If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 29 30 585
                                        Delilah - Tom Jones 30 250
                                        Quando M'Innamoro - The Sandpipers 30 200
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                        • BBC tiebreaking again.

                                          On 15th June: 7,8,9 and 19,20. On 22nd June: 9,10 and 27,28 and 29,30.

                                          The 'trend' method used in all cases.
                                          Last edited by Splodj; Tue November 17, 2020, 12:22.

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                                          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                            I think Robbie it was down to album sales beginning to really take off from 1967 onwards. So more youngsters bought the album rather than the singles taken from it. As you said most older record buyers continued to buy singles hence why ballads were very much to the fore in 67 and 68.

                                            That said, although single sales did indeed drop in the second half of the sixties it was still a healthy market and wow we were still getting a cartload of 3 minute gems to keep the singles market buoyant.
                                            I think some of it was to do with the way the charts were compiled during the period especially that of the Melody Maker. It's much slower than it was. Even compared with the others. Take Brian's last chart, all of his top thirty entries are missing from Melody Maker, except Manfred and that's lower than the rest. It might be that the Maker took the hyping allegations to heart and started to vet the records more before allowing them in the charts. That's just my thoughts on it. Nevertheless I noticed that MM was very much slower in 1967 than it was in 1966 with the new hits and it doesn't look like it was any quicker in 1968.
                                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                            • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                              In comes the epic Macarthur Park by Richard Harris like a breath of fresh air to the chart. Loved and loathed in equal measure, but for me the former applied. Richard Harris's 'unusual' singing style caressing the lyrics made this his own. For me THE version.

                                              Watch out though, Sue Nicholls and arguably one of the worst records ever to grace a chart is going to make it's presence felt.

                                              There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                              Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 29th 1968.

                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 29th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                              1 1 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 1 1 1 1 16050
                                              7 2 Baby Come Back - The Equals 2 2 2 3 15430
                                              2 3 Young Girl - The Union Gap 3 5 3 2 14665
                                              4 4 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 4 3 4 4 14645
                                              3 5 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 5 4 5 5 14110
                                              10 6 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 6 6 6 6 13375
                                              6 7 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 7 7 8 8 12505
                                              13 8 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 8 8 9 7 12140
                                              5 9 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 9 10 7 10 11985
                                              12 10 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 10 9 10 9 11520
                                              21 11 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 11 11 11 11 10700
                                              9 12 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 12 12 12 13 10080
                                              8 13 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 13 14 13 14 9345
                                              19 14 Boy - Lulu 14 15 15 15 8560
                                              25 15 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 15 13 17 16 8375
                                              11 16 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 17 18 14 17 8040
                                              26 17 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 16 17 19 12 7415
                                              29 18 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 18 15 22 18 6555
                                              15 19 Joanna - Scott Walker 19 21 18 19 6270
                                              17 20 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 21 24 16 20 6085
                                              NEW 21 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 20 19 20 21 6000
                                              14 22 I Don't Want Our Loving To Die - The Herd 22 21 21 22 5265
                                              23 23 Time For Livin' - The Association 23 26 23 23 3680
                                              NEW 24 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 24 23 27 26 3025
                                              16 25 Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 25 24 24 2345
                                              NEW 26 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 26 20 2200
                                              18 27 Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 27 26 25 1760
                                              20 28 Sleepy Joe - Herman's Hermits 30 25 1500
                                              22 29 White Horses - Jacky 28 30 28 28 1205
                                              NEW 30 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 29 25 1200
                                              Dogs - The Who 28 29 1100
                                              Think - Aretha Franklin 29 30 29 820
                                              Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 27 800
                                              If I Only Had Time - John Rowles 27 340
                                              When We Were Young - Solomon King 30 85
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                Another 2 outstanding new entries this week further complimenting the 1968 Hall Of Fame. Arthur Brown's Fire, and Dusty's wistful I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten.

                                                There are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 6th 1968.

                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 6th 1968 NME MM RR Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                2 1 Baby Come Back - The Equals 1 1 1 1 16050
                                                1 2 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones 2 2 2 3 15430
                                                8 3 Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp - O. C. Smith 3 3 3 2 15065
                                                4 4 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan 4 6 4 4 14045
                                                6 5 I Pretend - Des O'Connor 5 5 5 5 13910
                                                5 6 Blue Eyes - Don Partridge 6 4 6 7 13690
                                                3 7 Young Girl - The Union Gap 8 7 7 10 12585
                                                11 8 My Name Is Jack - Manfred Mann 9 8 8 9 12220
                                                10 9 Lovin' Things - The Marmalade 7 9 9 6 12025
                                                17 10 Yummy Yummy Yummy - The Ohio Express 11 11 10 11 10950
                                                15 11 Yesterday Has Gone - Cupid's Inspiration 10 10 13 8 10655
                                                7 12 This Wheel's On Fire - Julie Driscoll and The Brian Auger Trinity 12 12 12 13 10080
                                                9 13 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro 13 13 11 16 9875
                                                18 14 Hush.. Not A Word To Mary - John Rowles 14 14 16 12 8765
                                                12 15 Do You Know The Way To San Jose - Dionne Warwick 16 16 14 17 8440
                                                21 16 One More Dance - Esther and Abi Ofarim 15 17 15 15 8160
                                                24 17 Mony Mony - Tommy James and The Shondells 17 15 21 14 7145
                                                30 18 Macarthur Park - Richard Harris 18 18 17 19 7120
                                                14 19 Boy - Lulu 19 19 18 18 6755
                                                20 20 What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 21 23 19 22 5365
                                                13 21 A Man Without Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 22 21 20 25 5260
                                                26 22 D. W. Washburn - The Monkees 20 20 24 20 4885
                                                16 23 Rainbow Valley - The Love Affair 23 27 22 21 3900
                                                NEW 24 I'll Love You Forever Today - Cliff Richard 24 22 27 27 3140
                                                19 25 Joanna - Scott Walker 25 23 23 2680
                                                23 26 Time For Livin' - The Association 26 25 24 2095
                                                NEW 27 Dogs - The Who 27 26 26 1675
                                                NEW 28 Fire - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 28 26 29 30 1585
                                                NEW 29 Where Will You Be - Sue Nicholls 30 24 1400
                                                NEW 30 I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - Dusty Springfield 29 24 1400
                                                Simon Says - The 1910 Fruitgum Company 28 750
                                                Gotta See Jane - R. Dean Taylor 28 600
                                                America - The Nice 29 400
                                                Helule Helule - The Tremeloes 28 255
                                                Think - Aretha Franklin 30 250
                                                U.S. Male - Elvis Presley 30 200
                                                White Horses - Jacky 29 170



                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                                • In answer to Robbie, as well as others' comments, in my opinion the main reason why chart runs became longer in 67/68 is because of the influence of the fast pirate radio charts during 65/66/67. Once they were outlawed in 1967, everyone had to start thinking for themselves again!

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                                                  • Mr Tibbs: yes please I look forward to you proceeding with the UAC for 1960 to 1963! Strange and innocent times.

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