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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    The main reasons for these strange happenings are the lacks of reliability and consistency of the original charts and this shows the need for Brians UAC.
    Yeah Kjell, at least the UAC averaging process smoothes out the fluctuations a bit week on week.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    One explanation could be that there are some errors in the constituent charts - eg Johnnie Ray going back up to 11 in MM, Crosby up to 10 in NME, All Star going up to 10 in RM - and UAC is doing its usual job of weeding them out. Be interesting to see if there are some drastic corrective movements for those currently at 10 & 11 in the individual charts next week.
    Yeah, I think that was one of the big problems with the dealer charts of the fifties, these improved in the sixties but back then (like we have said before) in the fifties these were all over the place. I noticed this in the ones I used for 1954 into 1955, records moved in and out of these haphazardly one week in then the next week out in dealer store reports so it is not surprising these fluctuations are reflected in the aggregated music papers charts.

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  • kjell
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    The main reasons for these strange happenings are the lacks of reliability and consistency of the original charts and this shows the need for Brians UAC.

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  • Splodj
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    Upon reflection I should have said "maverick positions', as 'errors' implies they did their sums wrong.

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  • Splodj
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    One explanation could be that there are some errors in the constituent charts - eg Johnnie Ray going back up to 11 in MM, Crosby up to 10 in NME, All Star going up to 10 in RM - and UAC is doing its usual job of weeding them out. Be interesting to see if there are some drastic corrective movements for those currently at 10 & 11 in the individual charts next week.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Both 'With All My Heart' by Petula Clark and 'Diana' by Paul Anka are higher on the UAC than on any of the constituent charts. I must admit I've not looked at this before but I wonder how frequently this happens, where a single is higher on the UAC than on any of the charts that are used to compile it. It's only likely to happen where points totals are close and there are noticeable variations between chart positions of certain records on the various charts.
    It does happen now and again Robbie where an average of all charts places a record a place or two higher than any individual chart usually because one chart places a record way higher than the others or because one chart places a record way lower than the others like you suggest.

    For example on the above chart Tommy Steele is just 5 points short of Paul Anka affected by RM placing Tommy down at #15 whilst NME and MM place it at # 12 and #10 respectively, and Pet Clark's chart positions are all fairly close. So your theory is correct.

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  • Robbie
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    Both 'With All My Heart' by Petula Clark and 'Diana' by Paul Anka are higher on the UAC than on any of the constituent charts. I must admit I've not looked at this before but I wonder how frequently this happens, where a single is higher on the UAC than on any of the charts that are used to compile it. It's only likely to happen where points totals are close and there are noticeable variations between chart positions of certain records on the various charts.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 17th 1957

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 17th 1957 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 4500
    4 2 Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley 3 2 2 4285
    6 3 Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone 2 3 3 4265
    7 4 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 5 4 4 3985
    2 5 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 4 5 5 3965
    3 6 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 7 6 6 3685
    5 7 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 6 7 9 3545
    8 8 Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers 8 7 7 3535
    10 9 Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys 8 9 8 3425
    18 10 With All My Heart - Petula Clark 11 12 12 2915
    26 11 Diana - Paul Anka 13 12 13 2725
    11 12 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 12 10 15 2720
    16 13 Around The World - Bing Crosby 10 14 19 2510
    17 14 Start Movin' - Sal Mineo 22 15 11 2185
    15 15 All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists 23 17 10 2130
    9 16 Lucille - Little Richard 18 17 16 2095
    19 17 Start Movin' - Terry Dene 15 14 2060
    12 18 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 14 18 1885
    13 19 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 20 11 20 1875
    14 20 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 16 17 1815
    20 21 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 17 20 1185
    22 22 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 20 19 1015
    21 23 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 19 780
    23 24 Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers 24 455
    29 24 I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams 24 455
    30 26 In The Middle Of An Island - The King Brothers 26 325
    25 26 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 26 325
    24 28 Dark Moon - Tony Brent 28 195
    27 29 Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton 29 130
    NEW 30 Water Water / A Handful Of Songs - Tommy Steele 30 65
    Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan 16
    27 Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton

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  • Splodj
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    Elvis's biggest year in the UK appears to be 1961 when he had 7 of his highest selling singles released, and the tail end charting of his best selling of all (in the UK) 'Its now or never'.

    It seems that the UK was a bit slow in its appreciation of him.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Even although this was very much Elvis's year as far as chart entries go, and a big #1 with All Shook Up he still lost out in having the year's biggest selling single. That honour went to Paul Anka's Diana which debuts on the chart this week. Eventually Elvis will also be pushed into third place as Harry Belafonte's Mary's Boy Child will take second place.
    My family bought all three of those records!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Even although this was very much Elvis's year as far as chart entries go, and a big #1 with All Shook Up he still lost out in having the year's biggest selling single. That honour went to Paul Anka's Diana which debuts on the chart this week. Eventually Elvis will also be pushed into third place as Harry Belafonte's Mary's Boy Child will take second place.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 10th 1957

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 10th 1957 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 4500
    4 2 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 2 6 2 4250
    3 3 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 4 2 4 4100
    2 4 Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley 6 3 3 4005
    5 5 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 3 5 6 3970
    6 6 Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone 5 4 5 3925
    8 7 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 7 7 7 3600
    12 8 Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers 8 8 8 3450
    9 9 Lucille - Little Richard 10 10 9 3210
    15 10 Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys 12 11 10 2995
    10 11 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 12 9 11 2985
    7 12 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 9 17 12 2920
    11 13 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 11 15 14 2720
    13 14 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 17 16 15 2245
    18 15 All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists 20 13 13 2245
    16 16 Around The World - Bing Crosby 16 13 19 2145
    17 17 Start Movin' - Sal Mineo 19 17 18 1910
    20 18 With All My Heart - Petula Clark 15 17 1880
    19 19 Start Movin' - Terry Dene 23 16 1420
    14 20 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 14 19 1405
    21 21 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 18 12 1320
    22 22 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 21 20 1310
    30 23 Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers 21 650
    23 24 Dark Moon - Tony Brent 24 455
    26 25 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 25 390
    NEW 26 Diana - Paul Anka 26 325
    27 27 Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton 27 260
    28 27 Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton 27 260
    29 29 I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams 29 130
    NEW 30 In The Middle Of An Island - The King Brothers 30 65
    Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan 20
    24 Around The World - Gracie Fields
    25 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey
    30 In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell

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  • MrTibbs
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    Ironically 1957 was Lonnie D's best year chart wise and his achievement in any other year of the fifties would have shone like a beacon in the night so he was really unfortunate that in terms of chart entries this was also Elvis's best year too dominating the chart with release after release overshadowing even Lonnie's major contribution and impact.
    Last edited by MrTibbs; Wed February 9, 2022, 09:56.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 3rd 1957

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 3rd 1957 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 4500
    4 2 Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley 3 2 2 4285
    3 3 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 2 3 4 4205
    2 4 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 4 4 3 4110
    5 5 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 5 5 5 3900
    6 6 Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone 6 6 6 3750
    7 7 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 7 7 8 3540
    15 8 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 8 8 9 3390
    13 9 Lucille - Little Richard 10 12 7 3280
    10 10 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 9 10 11 3155
    8 11 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 11 11 10 3060
    14 12 Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers 12 9 12 2925
    11 13 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 13 13 15 2580
    9 14 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 14 13 18 2335
    18 15 Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys 16 17 16 2225
    12 16 Around The World - Bing Crosby 15 13 2120
    22 17 Start Movin' - Sal Mineo 17 15 19 2030
    19 18 All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists 23 18 17 1685
    26 19 Start Movin' - Terry Dene 22 14 1605
    28 20 With All My Heart - Petula Clark 19 20 1440
    16 21 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 17 18 1235
    17 22 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 20 18 1040
    21 23 Dark Moon - Tony Brent 21 16 1025
    RE 24 Around The World - Gracie Fields 24 455
    24 25 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 25 390
    20 26 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 26 325
    NEW 27 Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton 27 260
    28 28 Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton 28 195
    NEW 29 I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams 29 130
    NEW 30 Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers 30 65
    27 30 In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell 30 65
    23 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell
    25 Butterfly - Andy Williams
    30 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    This second version Robbie will only reach number 15 not as successful as the first.
    Probably why they stopped. The purpose was a charity product, so if other ways where better at doing that sort of thing....

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    What position did the first 'All Star Hit Parade' single reach on the UAC? The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.
    This second version Robbie will only reach number 15 not as successful as the first.

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  • Splodj
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    The first All Star Hit Parade peaked at number 2 in July 1956.

    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.
    That is what I thought, but actually they are more like sampler singles. Each track plays for about a minute and then segues into the next, so there is a medley of 3 abbreviated songs per side.

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  • Robbie
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    What position did the first 'All Star Hit Parade' single reach on the UAC? The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    A shame I some ways Lonnie and Elvis where starting at the same time... Lonnie would have bene at the top longer....
    Totally agree. If you take a look at any of the charts from 1956 onwards where Lonnie is present his unique musical style stands out from the ballads and novelties of the day. His brand of music totally differed from even the Rock'n'Roll onslaught and brought something entirely new to the fore. Aside from skiffle he was also our first major artist to bring folk songs the chart and he was very adept at differing his style and experimenting with his songs.

    Overshadowed sadly by the worldwide phenomenon that was Elvis which unfortunately did dilute his impact as the musical force he undoubtedly was.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    A shame I some ways Lonnie and Elvis where starting at the same time... Lonnie would have bene at the top longer....

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 27th 1957

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 27th 1957 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 4500
    2 2 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 2 2 2 4350
    3 3 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 3 3 4 4140
    6 4 Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley 4 5 3 4085
    4 5 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 5 4 5 3925
    10 6 Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone 7 8 6 3635
    5 7 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 6 6 8 3630
    7 8 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 12 7 7 3275
    8 9 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 8 9 12 3185
    9 10 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 10 15 9 3085
    12 11 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 11 11 11 3000
    11 12 Around The World - Bing Crosby 9 12 13 2985
    13 13 Lucille - Little Richard 14 14 10 2790
    16 14 Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers 15 10 14 2585
    17 15 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 16 16 15 2310
    14 16 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 13 18 18 2275
    15 17 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 17 13 20 2020
    NEW 18 Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys 18 17 1685
    NEW 19 All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists 23 16 1420
    19 20 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 21 19 1370
    21 21 Dark Moon - Tony Brent 19 19 1080
    20 22 Start Movin' - Sal Mineo 20 715
    24 23 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 25 19 690
    18 24 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 22 585
    27 25 Butterfly - Andy Williams 24 455
    28 26 Start Movin' - Terry Dene 26 325
    NEW 27 In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell 27 260
    NEW 28 With All My Heart - Petula Clark 28 195
    NEW 28 Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton 28 195
    RE 30 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene 30 65
    Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan 17
    22 Around The World - Gracie Fields
    23 I'm Sorry - The Platters
    25 School Day - Chuck Berry
    26 Valley Of Tears - Fats Domino
    29 Travellin' Home - Vera Lynn
    30 Wonderful Wonderful - Gary Miller

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers !

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 20th 1957

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 20th 1957 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 25 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 All Shook Up - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 4500
    2 2 Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan 2 2 2 4350
    3 3 We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton 3 3 3 4200
    5 4 Little Darlin' - The Diamonds 4 4 5 3990
    4 5 Around The World - Ronnie Hilton 5 6 6 3815
    13 6 Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley 7 7 4 3780
    6 7 Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray 9 5 7 3520
    8 8 A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers 6 12 11 3300
    10 9 Butterfingers - Tommy Steele 8 12 9 3290
    11 10 Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone 12 9 8 3165
    9 11 Around The World - Bing Crosby 11 8 10 3135
    7 12 When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole 10 10 13 2970
    16 13 Lucille - Little Richard 14 17 12 2595
    12 14 Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee 12 11 17 2575
    14 15 Fabulous - Charlie Gracie 15 16 15 2375
    22 16 Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers 18 14 14 2290
    17 17 Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte 16 19 16 2175
    15 18 Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey 16 18 19 2020
    18 19 I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams 18 18 1625
    28 20 Start Movin' - Sal Mineo 26 20 985
    27 21 Dark Moon - Tony Brent 20 715
    21 22 Around The World - Gracie Fields 21 650
    RE 23 I'm Sorry - The Platters 22 585
    23 24 Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell 23 520
    24 25 School Day - Chuck Berry 24 455
    NEW 26 Valley Of Tears - Fats Domino 25 390
    20 27 Butterfly - Andy Williams 30 20 340
    NEW 28 Start Movin' - Terry Dene 27 260
    25 29 Travellin' Home - Vera Lynn 28 195
    NEW 30 Wonderful Wonderful - Gary Miller 29 130
    Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton 30 65
    Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan 14
    19 A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene
    26 Too Much - Elvis Presley
    29 School Day - Don Lang
    30 Forgotten Dreams - Leroy Anderson

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  • MrTibbs
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    Elvis, Lonnie, Everlies, Chuck, and Little Richard, all on this chart. Rock'n'Roll is alive at last !

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  • brian05
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    I'm all shook up - Elvis made no. 1 (his first in UK)
    and Teddy Bear is in at no. 13 (his first RCA disc).

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  • Robbie
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    It's debut time for one of the best acts in the history of pop music - The Everly Brothers are in at number 22.

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