The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

The main reasons for these strange happenings are the lacks of reliability and consistency of the original charts and this shows the need for Brians UAC.

Yeah Kjell, at least the UAC averaging process smoothes out the fluctuations a bit week on week.

[MrTibbs]

One explanation could be that there are some errors in the constituent charts - eg Johnnie Ray going back up to 11 in MM, Crosby up to 10 in NME, All Star going up to 10 in RM - and UAC is doing its usual job of weeding them out. Be interesting to see if there are some drastic corrective movements for those currently at 10 & 11 in the individual charts next week.

Yeah, I think that was one of the big problems with the dealer charts of the fifties, these improved in the sixties but back then (like we have said before) in the fifties these were all over the place. I noticed this in the ones I used for 1954 into 1955, records moved in and out of these haphazardly one week in then the next week out in dealer store reports so it is not surprising these fluctuations are reflected in the aggregated music papers charts.

[kjell]

The main reasons for these strange happenings are the lacks of reliability and consistency of the original charts and this shows the need for Brians UAC.

[Splodj]

Upon reflection I should have said "maverick positions', as 'errors' implies they did their sums wrong.

[Splodj]

One explanation could be that there are some errors in the constituent charts - eg Johnnie Ray going back up to 11 in MM, Crosby up to 10 in NME, All Star going up to 10 in RM - and UAC is doing its usual job of weeding them out. Be interesting to see if there are some drastic corrective movements for those currently at 10 & 11 in the individual charts next week.

[MrTibbs]

Both 'With All My Heart' by Petula Clark and 'Diana' by Paul Anka are higher on the UAC than on any of the constituent charts. I must admit I've not looked at this before but I wonder how frequently this happens, where a single is higher on the UAC than on any of the charts that are used to compile it. It's only likely to happen where points totals are close and there are noticeable variations between chart positions of certain records on the various charts.

It does happen now and again Robbie where an average of all charts places a record a place or two higher than any individual chart usually because one chart places a record way higher than the others or because one chart places a record way lower than the others like you suggest.

For example on the above chart Tommy Steele is just 5 points short of Paul Anka affected by RM placing Tommy down at #15 whilst NME and MM place it at # 12 and #10 respectively, and Pet Clark's chart positions are all fairly close. So your theory is correct.

[Robbie]

Both 'With All My Heart' by Petula Clark and 'Diana' by Paul Anka are higher on the UAC than on any of the constituent charts. I must admit I've not looked at this before but I wonder how frequently this happens, where a single is higher on the UAC than on any of the charts that are used to compile it. It's only likely to happen where points totals are close and there are noticeable variations between chart positions of certain records on the various charts.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 17th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 17th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All Shook Up - Elvis Presley					1	1	1	4500
4	2	Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley					3	2	2	4285
6	3	Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone					2	3	3	4265
7	4	Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte					5	4	4	3985
2	5	Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan					4	5	5	3965
3	6	We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton					7	6	6	3685
5	7	Little Darlin' - The Diamonds					6	7	9	3545
8	8	Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers					8	7	7	3535
10	9	Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys					8	9	8	3425
18	10	With All My Heart - Petula Clark					11	12	12	2915
26	11	Diana - Paul Anka					13	12	13	2725
11	12	Butterfingers - Tommy Steele					12	10	15	2720
16	13	Around The World - Bing Crosby					10	14	19	2510
17	14	Start Movin' - Sal Mineo					22	15	11	2185
15	15	All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists					23	17	10	2130
9	16	Lucille - Little Richard					18	17	16	2095
19	17	Start Movin' - Terry Dene					15		14	2060
12	18	Around The World - Ronnie Hilton					14		18	1885
13	19	Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray					20	11	20	1875
14	20	When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole					16		17	1815
20	21	A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers					17	20		1185
22	22	Fabulous - Charlie Gracie					20	19		1015
21	23	Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee					19			780
23	24	Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers					24			455
29	24	I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams					24			455
30	26	In The Middle Of An Island - The King Brothers					26			325
25	26	I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams					26			325
24	28	Dark Moon - Tony Brent					28			195
27	29	Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton					29			130
NEW	30	Water Water / A Handful Of Songs - Tommy Steele					30			65
		Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan						16
27		Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton

[Splodj]

Elvis's biggest year in the UK appears to be 1961 when he had 7 of his highest selling singles released, and the tail end charting of his best selling of all (in the UK) 'Its now or never'.

It seems that the UK was a bit slow in its appreciation of him.

[Graham76man]

Even although this was very much Elvis's year as far as chart entries go, and a big #1 with All Shook Up he still lost out in having the year's biggest selling single. That honour went to Paul Anka's Diana which debuts on the chart this week. Eventually Elvis will also be pushed into third place as Harry Belafonte's Mary's Boy Child will take second place.

My family bought all three of those records!

[MrTibbs]

Even although this was very much Elvis's year as far as chart entries go, and a big #1 with All Shook Up he still lost out in having the year's biggest selling single. That honour went to Paul Anka's Diana which debuts on the chart this week. Eventually Elvis will also be pushed into third place as Harry Belafonte's Mary's Boy Child will take second place.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 10th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 10th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All Shook Up - Elvis Presley					1	1	1	4500
4	2	Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan					2	6	2	4250
3	3	We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton					4	2	4	4100
2	4	Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley					6	3	3	4005
5	5	Little Darlin' - The Diamonds					3	5	6	3970
6	6	Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone					5	4	5	3925
8	7	Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte					7	7	7	3600
12	8	Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers					8	8	8	3450
9	9	Lucille - Little Richard					10	10	9	3210
15	10	Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys					12	11	10	2995
10	11	Butterfingers - Tommy Steele					12	9	11	2985
7	12	Around The World - Ronnie Hilton					9	17	12	2920
11	13	Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray					11	15	14	2720
13	14	When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole					17	16	15	2245
18	15	All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists					20	13	13	2245
16	16	Around The World - Bing Crosby					16	13	19	2145
17	17	Start Movin' - Sal Mineo					19	17	18	1910
20	18	With All My Heart - Petula Clark					15		17	1880
19	19	Start Movin' - Terry Dene					23		16	1420
14	20	A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers					14	19		1405
21	21	Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee					18	12		1320
22	22	Fabulous - Charlie Gracie					21		20	1310
30	23	Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers					21			650
23	24	Dark Moon - Tony Brent					24			455
26	25	I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams					25			390
NEW	26	Diana - Paul Anka					26			325
27	27	Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton					27			260
28	27	Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton					27			260
29	29	I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams					29			130
NEW	30	In The Middle Of An Island - The King Brothers					30			65
		Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan						20
24		Around The World - Gracie Fields
25		Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey
30		In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell

[MrTibbs]

Ironically 1957 was Lonnie D's best year chart wise and his achievement in any other year of the fifties would have shone like a beacon in the night so he was really unfortunate that in terms of chart entries this was also Elvis's best year too dominating the chart with release after release overshadowing even Lonnie's major contribution and impact.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 3rd 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 3rd 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All Shook Up - Elvis Presley					1	1	1	4500
4	2	Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley					3	2	2	4285
3	3	We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton					2	3	4	4205
2	4	Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan					4	4	3	4110
5	5	Little Darlin' - The Diamonds					5	5	5	3900
6	6	Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone					6	6	6	3750
7	7	Around The World - Ronnie Hilton					7	7	8	3540
15	8	Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte					8	8	9	3390
13	9	Lucille - Little Richard					10	12	7	3280
10	10	Butterfingers - Tommy Steele					9	10	11	3155
8	11	Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray					11	11	10	3060
14	12	Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers					12	9	12	2925
11	13	When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole					13	13	15	2580
9	14	A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers					14	13	18	2335
18	15	Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys					16	17	16	2225
12	16	Around The World - Bing Crosby					15		13	2120
22	17	Start Movin' - Sal Mineo					17	15	19	2030
19	18	All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists					23	18	17	1685
26	19	Start Movin' - Terry Dene					22		14	1605
28	20	With All My Heart - Petula Clark					19		20	1440
16	21	Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee					17	18		1235
17	22	Fabulous - Charlie Gracie					20	18		1040
21	23	Dark Moon - Tony Brent					21	16		1025
RE	24	Around The World - Gracie Fields					24			455
24	25	Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey					25			390
20	26	I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams					26			325
NEW	27	Wonderful Wonderful - Ronnie Hilton					27			260
28	28	Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton					28			195
NEW	29	I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter - Billy Williams					29			130
NEW	30	Any Old Iron - Peter Sellers					30			65
27	30	In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell					30			65
23		Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell
25		Butterfly - Andy Williams
30		A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene

[kingofskiffle]

This second version Robbie will only reach number 15 not as successful as the first.

Probably why they stopped. The purpose was a charity product, so if other ways where better at doing that sort of thing....

[MrTibbs]

What position did the first 'All Star Hit Parade' single reach on the UAC? The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.

This second version Robbie will only reach number 15 not as successful as the first.

[Splodj]

The first All Star Hit Parade peaked at number 2 in July 1956.

The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.

That is what I thought, but actually they are more like sampler singles. Each track plays for about a minute and then segues into the next, so there is a medley of 3 abbreviated songs per side.

[Robbie]

What position did the first 'All Star Hit Parade' single reach on the UAC? The two All Star releases are effectively mini-albums as they both contain 6 tracks.

[MrTibbs]

A shame I some ways Lonnie and Elvis where starting at the same time... Lonnie would have bene at the top longer....

Totally agree. If you take a look at any of the charts from 1956 onwards where Lonnie is present his unique musical style stands out from the ballads and novelties of the day. His brand of music totally differed from even the Rock'n'Roll onslaught and brought something entirely new to the fore. Aside from skiffle he was also our first major artist to bring folk songs the chart and he was very adept at differing his style and experimenting with his songs.

Overshadowed sadly by the worldwide phenomenon that was Elvis which unfortunately did dilute his impact as the musical force he undoubtedly was.

[kingofskiffle]

A shame I some ways Lonnie and Elvis where starting at the same time... Lonnie would have bene at the top longer....

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 27th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 27th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All Shook Up - Elvis Presley					1	1	1	4500
2	2	Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan					2	2	2	4350
3	3	We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton					3	3	4	4140
6	4	Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley					4	5	3	4085
4	5	Little Darlin' - The Diamonds					5	4	5	3925
10	6	Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone					7	8	6	3635
5	7	Around The World - Ronnie Hilton					6	6	8	3630
7	8	Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray					12	7	7	3275
8	9	A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers					8	9	12	3185
9	10	Butterfingers - Tommy Steele					10	15	9	3085
12	11	When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole					11	11	11	3000
11	12	Around The World - Bing Crosby					9	12	13	2985
13	13	Lucille - Little Richard					14	14	10	2790
16	14	Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers					15	10	14	2585
17	15	Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte					16	16	15	2310
14	16	Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee					13	18	18	2275
15	17	Fabulous - Charlie Gracie					17	13	20	2020
NEW	18	Last Train To San Fernando - Johnny Duncan and The Blue Grass Boys					18		17	1685
NEW	19	All Star Hit Parade (Vol 2) - Various Artists					23		16	1420
19	20	I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams					21		19	1370
21	21	Dark Moon - Tony Brent					19	19		1080
20	22	Start Movin' - Sal Mineo					20			715
24	23	Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell					25	19		690
18	24	Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey					22			585
27	25	Butterfly - Andy Williams					24			455
28	26	Start Movin' - Terry Dene					26			325
NEW	27	In The Middle Of A Dark Dark Night / Sweet Stuff - Guy Mitchell					27			260
NEW	28	With All My Heart - Petula Clark					28			195
NEW	28	Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton					28			195
RE	30	A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene					30			65
		Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan						17
22		Around The World - Gracie Fields
23		I'm Sorry - The Platters
25		School Day - Chuck Berry
26		Valley Of Tears - Fats Domino
29		Travellin' Home - Vera Lynn
30		Wonderful Wonderful - Gary Miller

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 20th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 20th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	All Shook Up - Elvis Presley					1	1	1	4500
2	2	Gamblin' Man / Putting On The Style - Lonnie Donegan					2	2	2	4350
3	3	We Will Make Love - Russ Hamilton					3	3	3	4200
5	4	Little Darlin' - The Diamonds					4	4	5	3990
4	5	Around The World - Ronnie Hilton					5	6	6	3815
13	6	Teddy Bear - Elvis Presley					7	7	4	3780
6	7	Yes Tonight Josephine - Johnnie Ray					9	5	7	3520
8	8	A White Sport Coat - The King Brothers					6	12	11	3300
10	9	Butterfingers - Tommy Steele					8	12	9	3290
11	10	Love Letters In The Sand - Pat Boone					12	9	8	3165
9	11	Around The World - Bing Crosby					11	8	10	3135
7	12	When I Fall In Love - Nat King Cole					10	10	13	2970
16	13	Lucille - Little Richard					14	17	12	2595
12	14	Mr. Wonderful - Peggy Lee					12	11	17	2575
14	15	Fabulous - Charlie Gracie					15	16	15	2375
22	16	Bye Bye Love - The Everly Brothers					18	14	14	2290
17	17	Island In The Sun - Harry Belafonte					16	19	16	2175
15	18	Freight Train - The Chas McDevitt Skiffle Group with Nancy Whiskey					16	18	19	2020
18	19	I Like Your Kind Of Love - Andy Williams					18		18	1625
28	20	Start Movin' - Sal Mineo					26		20	985
27	21	Dark Moon - Tony Brent					20			715
21	22	Around The World - Gracie Fields					21			650
RE	23	I'm Sorry - The Platters					22			585
23	24	Rock-A-Billy - Guy Mitchell					23			520
24	25	School Day - Chuck Berry					24			455
NEW	26	Valley Of Tears - Fats Domino					25			390
20	27	Butterfly - Andy Williams					30	20		340
NEW	28	Start Movin' - Terry Dene					27			260
25	29	Travellin' Home - Vera Lynn					28			195
NEW	30	Wonderful Wonderful - Gary Miller					29			130
		Forgotten Dreams - Cyril Stapleton					30			65
		Gamblin' Man - Lonnie Donegan						14
19		A White Sport Coat - Terry Dene
26		Too Much - Elvis Presley
29		School Day - Don Lang
30		Forgotten Dreams - Leroy Anderson

[MrTibbs]

Elvis, Lonnie, Everlies, Chuck, and Little Richard, all on this chart. Rock'n'Roll is alive at last !

[brian05]

I'm all shook up - Elvis made no. 1 (his first in UK)
and Teddy Bear is in at no. 13 (his first RCA disc).

[Robbie]

It's debut time for one of the best acts in the history of pop music - The Everly Brothers are in at number 22.