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  • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    A great new entry at number 30. 'Soul Limbo' will be remembered by many as the theme tune to the BBC's cricket coverage.
    Yeah this record should have done much better but they will at least go Top 5 with Time Is Tight in a few months.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • Greetings Pop Pickers !

      3 early 1969 gems debut this week and I loved all 3, Amen Corner, The Supremes and Temptations, and The Tymes' take on People. Wonderful Stuff !

      There are are 12 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

      Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 1st 1969.

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 1st 1969 NME MM RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      2 1 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 1 1 1 1 16050
      1 2 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 2 2 2 4 15345
      3 3 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 3 3 3 3 14980
      8 4 Blackberry Way - The Move 4 4 4 2 14615
      4 5 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 5 5 5 6 13825
      7 6 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 7 6 6 8 13205
      11 7 Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 6 7 7 5 13010
      5 8 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 8 9 8 7 12190
      14 9 You Got Soul - Johnny Nash 9 8 9 9 11970
      6 10 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 10 10 10 10 11235
      13 11 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 11 11 12 11 10450
      9 12 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 13 14 11 15 9760
      22 13 Dancing In The Street - Martha Reeves and The Vandellas 12 12 15 12 9415
      27 14 To Love Somebody - Nina Simone 14 13 16 14 8795
      10 15 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 15 18 13 13 8630
      16 16 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 16= 17 14 18 8155
      19 17 Please Don't Go - Donald Peers 16= 16 17 16 7775
      24 18 I Guess I'll Always Love You - The Isley Brothers 18 15 21 17 6890
      12 19 Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 19 23 18 21 5700
      15 20 Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 21 25 19 20 5135
      26 21 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 20 21 23 19 5020
      NEW 22 People - The Tymes 22 19 27 24 3995
      17 23 A Minute Of Your Time - Tom Jones 23 27 20 26 3975
      18 24 One Two Three O'Leary - Des O'Connor 24 22 22 3015
      21 25 Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett 25 24 23 2430
      29 26 Going Up The Country - Canned Heat 26 28 26 25 2360
      NEW 27 (If Paradise Is) Half As Nice - Amen Corner 28 20 2200
      NEW 28 I'll Pick A Rose For My Rose - Marv Johnson 27 22 28 2055
      23 29 I'm A Tiger - Lulu 25 1500
      NEW 30 I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross and The Supremes and The Temptations 29= 24 1400
      Love Story - Jethro Tull 29= 26 29 1170
      Mrs. Robinson (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel 29 27 840
      The Good The Bad And The Ugly - Hugo Montenegro 28 750
      Soul Sister Brown Sugar - Sam and Dave 29 400
      Race With The Devil - The Gun 30 250
      Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Bedrocks 30 200
      White Room - Cream 30 85
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

        Yeah this record should have done much better but they will at least go Top 5 with Time Is Tight in a few months.
        I bought 'Time Is Tight' when it was re-released in 1980. 'Soul Limbo' was the B side. 'Time Is Tight' is also fondly remembered by many as a theme or, in this case, a bed. This time it's from when Johnnie Walker on Radio 1 used to count down the new top 30 chart just prior to playing the number 1 record on a Tuesday lunchtime (and Wednesday after a Bank Holiday of course).

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        • Booker T must've made a mint out of his back catalogue being used as themes or soundbeds for later TV/radio programmes and adverts. Besides 'Soul Limbo' and 'Time Is Tight', we don't go too long before 'Green Onions' is used in the background to something on telly - most usually on a food-related broadcast, of which there are many every single day in the UK!. And it's all fine because all these songs are indeed excellent and it's hard to tire of them.

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

            There is something very wrong with this last points based RR chart before the BMRB take over next week causing a huge 23 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart the most it has ever had.

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 8th 1969.

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 8th 1969 NME MM RR Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 85 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 Albatross - Fleetwood Mac 1 1 1 2 15965
            4 2 Blackberry Way - The Move 2 2 2 1 15600
            3 3 For Once In My Life - Stevie Wonder 3 3 3 3 14980
            2 4 Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da - The Marmalade 4= 4 4 10 13935
            9 5 You Got Soul - Johnny Nash 4= 7 5 6 13425
            7 6 Fox On The Run - Manfred Mann 7 5 6 11 13150
            13 7 Dancing In The Street - Martha Reeves and The Vandellas 6 9 7 4 12695
            5 8 Something's Happening - Herman's Hermits 9 6 8 14 12195
            6 9 Private Number - William Bell and Judy Clay 10 8 8 13 11880
            14 10 To Love Somebody - Nina Simone 8 10 11 5 11410
            17 11 Please Don't Go - Donald Peers 11 12 10 8 11005
            30 12 I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross and The Supremes and The Temptations 12 13 12 7 10390
            11 13 Stop Her On Sight (SOS) - Edwin Starr 13= 14 15 15 8760
            27 14 (If Paradise Is) Half As Nice - Amen Corner 15 11 17 19 8520
            18 15 I Guess I'll Always Love You - The Isley Brothers 13= 16 16 12 8365
            8 16 Lily The Pink - The Scaffold 18 15 13 7700
            10 17 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 19= 17 14 7050
            28 18 I'll Pick A Rose For My Rose - Marv Johnson 16 18 19 17 6790
            22 19 People - The Tymes 17 19 23 16 5675
            16 20 Love Child - Diana Ross and The Supremes 22 25 20 23 4630
            21 21 Quick Joey Small - The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus 23= 21 21 30 4585
            NEW 22 Where Do You Go To My Lovely - Peter Sarstedt 21 20 26 18 4555
            12 23 Sabre Dance - Love Sculpture 25 27 18 4050
            NEW 24 Mrs. Robinson (EP) - Simon and Garfunkel 19= 26 27 9 3870
            25 25 Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett 23= 27 24 21 3400
            15 26 I'm The Urban Spaceman - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 30= 22 2250
            NEW 27 Move In A Little Closer Baby - Harmony Grass 26= 23 25 2110
            26 28 Going Up The Country - Canned Heat 29 25 26 1925
            NEW 29 Love Story - Jethro Tull 30= 22 1800
            NEW 30 The Way It Used To Be - Engelbert Humperdinck 23 1600
            Soul Sister Brown Sugar - Sam and Dave 26= 29 30 20 1585
            You Ain't Livin' Till You're Lovin' - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell 28 28 22 1515
            Ain't Got No..I Got Life - Nina Simone 29 27 840
            Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell 30 24 795
            I Put A Spell On You - Nina Simone 28 255
            Son Of A Preacher Man - Dusty Springfield 30 250
            You're All I Need To Get By - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell 29 170
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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            • So here we are, Phase 1 of history completed to give you a comprehensive, accurate Top 30 averaged chart, along with all the contributing charts side by side for the first time anywhere allowing you a detailed overview of a timeline gone but certainly not forgotten.

              I hope studying them day by day recreating a much loved era gave you as much pleasure reading them as it did me compiling them.

              Tomorrow posting of Phase 2 of The Ultimate Averaged Chart from 1960 to 1963 will commence for your further pleasure.
              Compilation is already well progressed and 1960 is an entirely different beast as you will see. If you thought differences in chart positions between the music papers from 1964 onwards was wild at times, the earlier ones will raise your eyebrows, especially RR.

              There are also two firsts for you in this phase. Firstly, At this time The BBC only compiled a Top 20, but I'm going to give you a Top 30.
              The BBC never included RR from its inception on 10th March 1960 until March 1962, and also didn't include RM from May 21st 1960 onwards.
              Secondly, I have therefore included both RR and RM for all the missing dates in The Ultimate Averaged Chart to give an all encompassing chart that includes all 5 major music papers.

              Phase 2 is a bit slower to compile than Phase 1 as there are way more split sides in NME for these early years that have to be considered and fixed as per the original rule to ensure consistency with the later years, eg, The Yardbirds in 65.

              But, I hope you enjoy this step further back in time, to a time of innocence and frivolity of song taking us to the birth of The Beatles.

              Please also note the difference in record store numbers used at this time as per Alan Smith's research

              Interesting times ahead !

              Brian
              Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri December 4, 2020, 17:00.
              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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              • Looking forward to the new charts.
                And great work so far
                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                  with all the contributing charts side by side for the first time anywhere
                  That in itself has been a revelation, and I appreciate the care you have taken to do this accurately.

                  One thing that has struck me following them week-by-week is how often they are unpredictable. For example, when Juliet goes up to 5 from 9 it seems like the momentum is slowing - but it makes number one the following week. Similar with others that sneak up. Then on the other hand there are records that look like dead certs for the top but never make it.

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                  • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                    Looking forward to the new charts.
                    And great work so far
                    Thanks Graham, that support is very much appreciated
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                    • Thanks MrTibbs for this thread and all the hard work you have put into making it a very interesting and informative read. I'm looking forward to the 1960 - 63 thread.

                      Back to the last chart you have posted. The Record Retailer chart is all over the place. I don't know what has caused such wild chart movement. Fewer returns? Some repoting shops ignored? A shorter chart week? Whatever it is, the outcome has been a chart that saw off the old RR chart era in style and which brings this thread to an interesting end.

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                      • Thanks for all your efforts, Brian! It's been a wild ride, looking forward to another helter skelter: duh na na na na na na...

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                        • Yes, many thanks....

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                          • Many thanks from me too. It has been a very entertaining thread. Looking forward to 1960-63

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                            • MrTibbs

                              Congratulations on a fantastic achievement, so far!!! Really looking forward to the next phase; well done
                              Keep the fire burning like the first time feeling

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                              • Wow, little did I know when I started this just how popular it would become. I knew a few had expressed interest but I'm frankly amazed at its popularity, the number of likes the thread has, and how many views it is getting.

                                It's this and you guys' comments that keep me motivated and hungry for this and I again thank you all sincerely for your continuing interest and comments and advice you frequently offer.

                                As for the RR chart above, the last before BMRB took over, I seem to remember reading somewhere that this chart had acknowledged errors due to RR working simultaneously on both this chart and the new rollout process the following week. But, good riddance to it I say
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                • Congratulations on completing the 1st phase ('64-'69). I look forward to seeing and discussing phase 2 ('60-'63).

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                                  • Lots of credit to your work! It's a great achievement you have made and I really wonder how you have got the time to go to work as well.
                                    And you're not resting on your laurels. I look forward to watching the early sixties progress, indeed the period when I started my interest in music and charts.

                                    A few days ago you did a list of 'hits that should have been' and one of the songs were 'Rainbow Chaser'. Apart from Britain the only European country where it charted was Denmark. Actually it charted somewhat belated, as it reached # 7 in the Danish top 20 in April 1969.
                                    Another two Nirvana tracks were small radio-hits in Denmark in the summer of 1969.

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                                    • Congratulations. Lovely thread and excellent work.
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                                      Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                      • And many thanks MrTibbs from me. It has been a very interesting thread to read. Really looking forward to the 1960-63 years.

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                                        • I will be posting here as I want to keep all The UAE in the one place so the first 2 charts from 1960 will be posted tomorrow. The chart is generally slower back in 1960 and using a Top 30 defo shows a better profile for records climbing and leaving the chart as opposed to a Top 20. It gives the chart a much better definition in expanded form.

                                          What makes it really interesting though is that because of the greater variance in chart positions between the papers on many occasions it is hard to predict at times on entering the data where the record will place after averaging so I love the moment when the computation provides the result showing where the records land like scattered seeds. No wonder it has me (and you) hooked.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                          • Ok .. so here comes Phase 2 of The Ultimate Averaged Chart 1960 - 1963, winners, losers, and inbetweeners
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                            • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                              RM did not publish a chart for this week. The BBC only compiled a Top 20 at this time but I intend to continue compiling a full Top 30. There were no 'breakers' outside the Top 30 this week.

                                              There are 17 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                              Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 2nd 1960. Enjoy !



                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 2nd 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                              1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 5040
                                              2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 4872
                                              3 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 4 3 5 3 4628
                                              4 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 4 3 4 4574
                                              5 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 5 5 4 9 4206
                                              6 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 7 7 8 6 4044
                                              7 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 6 8 6 8 3940
                                              8 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 9 8 15 7 3648
                                              9 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 11 6 14 11 3646
                                              10 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 8 11 13 5 3584
                                              11 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 10 12 7 12 3382
                                              12 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 14 10 10 18 3128
                                              13 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 15 14 11 14 2970
                                              14 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 12 13 12 15 2962
                                              15 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 13 19 9 10 2846
                                              16 Little Donkey - The Beverly Sisters 16 16 17 13 2632
                                              17 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 19= 17 20 16 2288
                                              18 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 17 15 17 1980
                                              19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19= 22 19 20 1726
                                              20 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 19 16 1530
                                              21 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 18 19 18 1454
                                              22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 17 1120
                                              23 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 25 19 1080
                                              24 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 23 640
                                              25 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 24 560
                                              26 We Got Love - Alma Cogan 26 400
                                              27 If You Were The Only Boy In The World - Stevie Marsh 27 320
                                              28 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 28 240
                                              28 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 28 240
                                              28 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 28 240
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                                              RM did not publish a chart for this week. 0
                                              The BBC only compiled a Top 20 at this time but I have compiled a Top 30. 0
                                              Last edited by MrTibbs; Sat December 5, 2020, 10:20.
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                              • I agree both on keeping the thread in one place and on continuing with 30. Amazing how many super weeklies you’ve done in such a limited time, enjoyable all the way. For me I expect the early sixties to be even more fascinating. I moved away from the mountains radio shade in August 62 to the town of Molde where I really could hear Lux better than the background noises. 62 and 63 has done the most when it comes to defining my musical taste. More than half a century has passed since these moments in time and you’re the only one to undertake this project. You really deserve your big following.

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                                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                  There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 9th 1960.

                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 9th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
                                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                  1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 1 6840
                                                  2 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 6612
                                                  4 3 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 3 3 3 3 6384
                                                  3 4 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 4 4 4 4 4 6156
                                                  8 5 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 5 5 5 7 5 5852
                                                  12 6 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 6 6 6 14 5300
                                                  9 7 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 7 8 11 8 8 5064
                                                  13 8 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 9 7 7 9 15 4996
                                                  5 9 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 8 9 9 5 13 4968
                                                  15 10 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 10 10 12 12 11 4542
                                                  14 11 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 11 12 10 11 16 4290
                                                  11 12 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 12 11 17 15 9 4148
                                                  7 13 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 13 20 13 13 6 3894
                                                  28 14 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 15 14 14 20 10 3848
                                                  21 15 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 14 17 8 14 17 3846
                                                  23 16 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 17 13 16 19 18 3446
                                                  10 17 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 18 15 18 12 3010
                                                  19 18 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 16 18 15 10 2798
                                                  6 19 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 19 25 18 7 2174
                                                  28 20 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 20 18 17 19 2172
                                                  25 21 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 20 20 1540
                                                  22 22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 16 1200
                                                  NEW 23 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 28 20 790
                                                  17 24 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 22 720
                                                  NEW 25 Too Good - Little Tony 19 720
                                                  20 26 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 23 640
                                                  28 27 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 16 570
                                                  NEW 28 Dance With Me - The Drifters 24 560
                                                  NEW 29 I'll Stay Single - Jerry Lordan 26 400
                                                  NEW 29 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnny Ray 26 400
                                                  Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 29 160
                                                  We Got Love - Alma Cogan 29 160
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • Flashing back for a sec to "Eloise" by Barry Ryan in Oct/Nov/Dec 1968, I looked it up on the Top Pops/Music Now charts. It didn't reach #1 there either, the chart run was:

                                                    26-13-5-4-2-2-2-4-7-20-28

                                                    It was on Top of the Pops 4 times, as a new record prior to charting, then at #'s 14, 5, and 2.

                                                    Now back to our regular scheduled programming...

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