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  • Greetings Pop Pickers !

    There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 9th 1960.

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 9th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 1 6840
    2 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 6612
    4 3 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 3 3 3 3 6384
    3 4 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 4 4 4 4 4 6156
    8 5 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 5 5 5 7 5 5852
    12 6 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 6 6 6 14 5300
    9 7 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 7 8 11 8 8 5064
    13 8 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 9 7 7 9 15 4996
    5 9 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 8 9 9 5 13 4968
    15 10 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 10 10 12 12 11 4542
    14 11 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 11 12 10 11 16 4290
    11 12 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 12 11 17 15 9 4148
    7 13 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 13 20 13 13 6 3894
    28 14 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 15 14 14 20 10 3848
    21 15 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 14 17 8 14 17 3846
    23 16 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 17 13 16 19 18 3446
    10 17 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 18 15 18 12 3010
    19 18 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 16 18 15 10 2798
    6 19 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 19 25 18 7 2174
    28 20 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 20 18 17 19 2172
    25 21 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 20 20 1540
    22 22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 16 1200
    NEW 23 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 28 20 790
    17 24 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 22 720
    NEW 25 Too Good - Little Tony 19 720
    20 26 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 23 640
    28 27 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 16 570
    NEW 28 Dance With Me - The Drifters 24 560
    NEW 29 I'll Stay Single - Jerry Lordan 26 400
    NEW 29 I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnny Ray 26 400
    Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 29 160
    We Got Love - Alma Cogan 29 160
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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    • Flashing back for a sec to "Eloise" by Barry Ryan in Oct/Nov/Dec 1968, I looked it up on the Top Pops/Music Now charts. It didn't reach #1 there either, the chart run was:

      26-13-5-4-2-2-2-4-7-20-28

      It was on Top of the Pops 4 times, as a new record prior to charting, then at #'s 14, 5, and 2.

      Now back to our regular scheduled programming...

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      • Yeah Robin. It's one of only a few records throughout the entire decade that left me bitterly disappointed that it failed to reach the top. If only MM and NME had agreed on the same week
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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        • Greetings Pop Pickers !

          There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

          Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 16th 1960.

          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 16th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 1 1 1 6840
          2 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 6612
          3 3 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 3 3 3 3 3 6384
          14 4 Starry Eyed - Michael Holiday 4 5 4 7 4 5962
          4 5 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 5 6 7 4 5 5766
          5 6 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 7 4 5 9 9 5656
          6 7 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 7 6 6 6 5620
          8 8 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 8 9 8 8 10 5064
          7 9 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 9 8 15 12 8 4672
          9 10 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 10 12 14 5 14 4378
          21 11 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 11 10 9 10 20 4348
          16 12 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 12 11 12 14 13 4286
          15 13 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 14 10 17 17 3852
          11 14 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 14 17 13 13 12 3834
          NEW 15 Why - Anthony Newley 13 12 10 11 3540
          20 16 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 17 15 18 20 16 3228
          12 17 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 16 24 17 15 7 3208
          10 18 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 17 20 20 18 11 3034
          18 19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19 18 16 16 2510
          25 20 Too Good - Little Tony 20= 19 19 19 2280
          22 21 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 20= 15 1280
          23 22 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 21 19 1256
          17 23 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 15 800
          24 24 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 22 720
          19 25 Jingle Bell Rock - Max Bygraves 18 650
          28 26 Dance With Me - The Drifters 23 640
          NEW 27 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 25 480
          29 28 I'll Stay Single - Jerry Lordan 26 400
          NEW 29 When You Ask About Love - The Crickets 27 320
          RE 30 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 28 240
          Too Young - Bill Forbes 29 160
          I Wanna Be Loved - Ricky Nelson 30 80
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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          • Anthony Newley's Why debuts this week. My memories of music prior to 1963, when I was catapulted headlong into a love of music and charts I hold dear to this day, was vague but a handful of songs before then stand out for me as a specific memory. This is one of them, I can clearly remember it being played on the jukebox in a cafe one of my parents took me into at the time, and it's stayed with me since.
            Another one I hold dear from 1960 that's soon gonna appear is Percy Faith's wonderful 'Summer Place'. mmmmmmmmm !
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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            • Forgotten fact: Blondie used to open their early gigs with their own interpretation of "Summer Place".....


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4puBs9AbY

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              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                Yeah Robin. It's one of only a few records throughout the entire decade that left me bitterly disappointed that it failed to reach the top.
                To me 'Macarthur Park' also had the grandeur of a number one. And it would have been nice not to wait 27 years for 'Love is all around' to make it!

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                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                  To me 'Macarthur Park' also had the grandeur of a number one. And it would have been nice not to wait 27 years for 'Love is all around' to make it!
                  On a similar vain to that John Miles Music should have done that too. Stopped by Brotherhood of Man Euro trash song! That's what I call injustice
                  Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                  • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                    On a similar vain to that John Miles Music should have done that too. Stopped by Brotherhood of Man Euro trash song! That's what I call injustice
                    Not just Brotherhood Of Man but also the combined might of Barry White (1 week) and Abba too (for 2 weeks) at number 2.

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                    • Macarthur Park was epic and in Richard Harris's hands it was a work of art, and then Donna Summer came along and reduced its grandeur to mere sterile disco fodder.
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                      • The Four Tops version was pretty good...

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                        • Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
                          The Four Tops version was pretty good...
                          Yeah, The Tops at least kept to the original arrangement, and Levi Stubbs did it justice.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                            There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 23rd 1960.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 23rd 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 1 3 1 1 6720
                            4 2 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 2 3 2 3 3 6444
                            2 3 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 3 4 4 2 2 6332
                            15 4 Why - Anthony Newley 4 2 1 4 13 6046
                            3 5 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 5 6 5 5 7 5748
                            6 6 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 7 7 6 12 4 5492
                            7 7 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 6 8 8 7 5 5432
                            11 8 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 8 5 7 6 15 5270
                            5 9 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 9 12 11 9 6 4806
                            21 10 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 10 9 9 10 18 4528
                            9 11 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 12 11 12 16 8 4460
                            NEW 12 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 11 10 10 8 19 4414
                            8 13 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 13 13 14 11 10 4270
                            13 14 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 15 14 18 14 3644
                            12 15 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 14 14 13 12 2994
                            20 16 Too Good - Little Tony 19 21 13 17 2412
                            14 17 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 16 17 19 9 2396
                            10 18 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 18 19 14 16 2356
                            16 19 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 17 16 11 2200
                            NEW 20 Why - Frankie Avalon 20= 20 20 15 2148
                            27 21 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 20= 18 16 1940
                            17 22 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 21 20 17 1918
                            26 23 Dance With Me - The Drifters 17 19 1840
                            NEW 24 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 23 18 1420
                            18 25 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 25 20 1030
                            22 26 Wild Cat - Gene Vincent 24 560
                            NEW 27 The Big Hurt - Maureen Evans 26 400
                            NEW 28 Poor Me - Adam Faith 27 320
                            NEW 29 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochrane 28 240
                            NEW 29 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 28 240
                            Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 30 80
                            Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 30 80
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                            • So far the most discernible trait is that Disc appears to be the slowcoach.

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                              • Ha Ha, told you these early years the charts are all over the place, and that's even before RR enters the arena
                                Last edited by MrTibbs; Mon December 7, 2020, 08:40.
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                  There are 7 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                  Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 30th 1960.
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 30th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                  2 1 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 1 1 2 2 1 6742
                                  4 2 Why - Anthony Newley 2 2 1 1 4 6610
                                  1 3 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 3 3 5 3 2 6314
                                  12 4 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 4 4 3 4 3 6266
                                  8 5 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 5 5 4 5 6 5938
                                  3 6 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 6 7 7 6 5 5610
                                  10 7 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 7 6 6 8 7 5574
                                  5 8 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 8 7 8 7 8 5362
                                  7 9 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 9 11 9 9 10 4806
                                  6 10 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 10 9 12 12 9 4722
                                  11 11 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 11 12 17 10 16 3908
                                  15 12 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 12 14 15 13 14 3854
                                  21 13 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard* 14 15 10 19 3763
                                  9 14 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 13 10 18 11 3174
                                  16 15 Too Good - Little Tony 15= 23 13 14 20 2916
                                  24 16 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 15= 15 11 2480
                                  20 17 Why - Frankie Avalon 19= 20 15 17 2372
                                  NEW 18 Misty - Johnny Mathis 17 19 11 18 2370
                                  19 19 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 18 13 17 2140
                                  23 20 Dance With Me - The Drifters 22 18 15 2108
                                  29 21 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 25 14 19 1956
                                  13 22 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 19= 29 19 12 1830
                                  NEW 23 Harbour Lights - The Platters 17 16 1690
                                  17 24 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 20 13 1318
                                  28 25 Poor Me - Adam Faith 18 1040
                                  NEW 26 El Paso - Marty Robbins 28 20 900
                                  18 27 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 21 800
                                  14 28 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 800
                                  NEW 29 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 24 560
                                  NEW 30 What More Do You Want - Frankie Vaughan 25 480
                                  The Big Hurt - Maureen Evans 27 320
                                  Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 29 160
                                  * Average of 14.6 taken from NME, RM, Disc, and
                                  awarded to MM to give a more representative chart
                                  position.
                                  Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri January 15, 2021, 16:23.
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                  • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                    There are 6 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.
                                    However those are the bottom 6 places, so quite a high degree of alignment.

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                                    • Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard
                                      Present in 3 of the papers but not Melody Maker. Wonder why?

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                                      • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                        Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard
                                        Present in 3 of the papers but not Melody Maker. Wonder why?
                                        Melody Maker had an EP chart from November 1959 and so it was listed in that. Below is the chart for 30 Jan 1960 from Melody Maker.
                                        Wks Lwk Twk Artist Title UKLabel CatNum
                                        7 1 1 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Expresso Bongo (OST) Columbia 7'': SEG 7971
                                        9 2 2 Tommy Steele, Accompaniment directed by Stanley Black Tommy The Toreador Decca 7'': DFE 6607
                                        2 4 3 Elvis Presley Strictly Elvis RCA 7'': RCX 175
                                        11 3 4 Paddy Roberts Strictly For Grown-Ups Decca 7'': DFE 6584
                                        11 6 5 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Cliff Sings No. 2 Columbia 7'': SEG7987
                                        3 10 6 Nina and Frederik Nina And Frederik No. 1 Columbia 7'': SEG 7926
                                        10 5 7 Elvis Presley A Touch Of Gold (Volume 1) RCA 7'': RCX 1045
                                        1 NE 8 Robert Horton Sunday Night At The London Palladium Pye 7'': NEP 24118
                                        7 RE 9 Cliff Richard and the Shadows Cliff No 1 Columbia 7'': SEG 7903
                                        10 7 10 Mario Lanza The Student Prince (OST) RCA Victor 7'': RCX 133

                                        http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                        Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                        • The first EP in MMs singles chart that I can see is 'Twist and Shout' on 27th July 1963.

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                                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                            The first EP in MMs singles chart that I can see is 'Twist and Shout' on 27th July 1963.
                                            The last EP chart they printed on it's own was 25 May 1963 - which makes sense as to seeing EP's after that date.
                                            http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                            Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                            • It's amazing how records can rank high in one or more charts yet not appear at all in another.
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                              • Sunday 3rd January 1960 was when the Radio Luxembourg chart show switched over to being records, using the NMEs Top 20. So in this respect the BBC were ahead of them!

                                                Previously Luxembourg had used the best selling sheet music chart compiled by The Music Publishers Association. In the last one of these broadcast on 27th December 1959 'Little Donkey' had been number one, so it was quite a change for it to be at only 16 in their first record chart the following week.

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                                                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                                  Sunday 3rd January 1960 was when the Radio Luxembourg chart show switched over to being records, using the NMEs Top 20. So in this respect the BBC were ahead of them!

                                                  Previously Luxembourg had used the best selling sheet music chart compiled by The Music Publishers Association. In the last one of these broadcast on 27th December 1959 'Little Donkey' had been number one, so it was quite a change for it to be at only 16 in their first record chart the following week.
                                                  The MPA didn't stop publishing the Sheet Music chart at that point. In fact it continued till 1985. Though publication in the press ceased in 1965.
                                                  Mary's Boy Child in comparison with Brian's Chart was the highest causality at 5. And the sheet music chart was a top 30 too!
                                                  Even in 1960 the Music Publishers themselves still controlled the industry. Song writers went to the publishers first and then the record companies got the songs sent to them and then a few men would say which artist sang what song. Hence the duplicate songs by different artists. The phrase "old grey whistle test" started with this system. If the song was whistled by the music publishers cleaner, then it was certain to be a hit!

                                                  At this point in time the Friday release date was still in the future. And it's likely all the new hits for each month went to the shops in week one or two (though mostly week one) of the start of each month. So even "Misty - Johnny Mathis" had probably been out for several weeks before it entered the chart. 45 Cat has it down for December!
                                                  It makes you wonder why it took nearly 8 weeks to sell, if that was the case?
                                                  Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                                  • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work guys !

                                                    Craig Douglas's cover of Steve Lawrence's Pretty Blue Eyes was actually the better version and Steve's never charted here. Similarly Anthony Newley's Why was superior to Frankie Avalon's, who did also chart here.

                                                    There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart.

                                                    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 6th 1960.

                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 6th 1960 NME RM MM DISC Total
                                                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 Points
                                                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                    2 1 Why - Anthony Newley 1 1 1 1 1 6840
                                                    4 2 A Voice In The Wilderness - Cliff Richard 2 2 2 2 2 6612
                                                    1 3 Starry Eyed - Michael Holliday 3 3 3 3 3 6384
                                                    5 4 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 4 4 4 4 5 6106
                                                    7 5 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 5 5 5 5 6 5878
                                                    3 6 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 6 6 7 6 4 5740
                                                    25 7 Poor Me - Adam Faith 7 7 6 7 10 5382
                                                    6 8 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 8 8 11 8 7 5114
                                                    8 9 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 9 9 12 11 8 4810
                                                    9 10 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 10 11 13 9 11 4516
                                                    10 11 Johnny Staccato Theme - Elmer Bernstein 11 10 15 18 9 4234
                                                    18 12 Misty - Johnny Mathis 13 15 16 10 18 3628
                                                    21 13 Pretty Blue Eyes - Craig Douglas 12 12 9 12 3562
                                                    16 14 Summer Set - Mr. Acker Bilk 14= 17 10 20 17 3498
                                                    12 15 Be My Guest - Fats Domino 17 17 19 15 15 3248
                                                    11 16 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 14= 13 14 16 2836
                                                    29 17 Beyond The Sea (La Mer) - Bobby Darin 18 15 14 17 2832
                                                    13 18 Expresso Bongo (EP) - Cliff Richard 14= 14 8 2740
                                                    23 19 Harbour Lights - The Platters 19 17 20 13 2464
                                                    NEW 20 On A Slow Boat To China - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 21 20 16 2030
                                                    26 21 El Paso - Marty Robbins 24 17 19 1856
                                                    19 22 In The Mood - Ernie Fields 20 20 13 1780
                                                    14 23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 23 12 1590
                                                    17 24 Why - Frankie Avalon 27 18 1100
                                                    22 25 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 14 850
                                                    RE 26 Hallelujah I Love Her So - Eddie Cochran 22 720
                                                    24 27 Some Kind-A Earthquake - Duane Eddy 19 600
                                                    28 28 Reveille Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 20 550
                                                    RE 29 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 25 480
                                                    30 30 What More Do You Want - Frankie Vaughan 26 400
                                                    I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnny Ray 28 240
                                                    Happy Anniversary - Joan Regan 29 160
                                                    Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 30 80
                                                    Last edited by MrTibbs; Fri December 18, 2020, 20:55.
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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