The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

I think it is more suitable for the Christmas week because normally there will be less movement in the chart than at other times. In particular, as there will not have been any recent new releases, new entries are unlikely. New entries, I suggest, are difficult to deal with effectively under this system.

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Thanks Brian for the midpoint x 3 + 2 chart. I need to study it further, but at first look it does seem most meaningful to me.

FYI for everybody, of course we can test this midpoint strategy for any 3 week period of any chart, not just missing Christmas charts. Just combine weeks 1 and 3 for a midpoint chart, and compare it to the actual week 2 chart. That will show you the validity of this option over skipping, freezing, or back freezing. Rock on !!

[kjell]

Seems to be several causes at work here. As has already been said the actual chart for this week is probably based on fewer returns than usual which affects the actual chart but not the constructed chart. The main problem mathematically with a constructed chart is that leaps and falls at the lower end have bigger changes than at the higher end. This has to do with smaller sales differences at the bottom and with the diffusion of info for records on the increase. In addition to that there’s the problem of which positions do new hits have in the non hit week and likewise falling down hits in the same week. I expected strange movements, but admittedly not that much difference between the actual chart and the constructed. My conclusion is that this way of constructing charts can be made when a week has no actual charts and that the positions of the week should be written in italics.

[MrTibbs]

Mid Point Chart - Week Ending December 29th 1956							NME	MM	RM	Total
Actual						Stores	65	20	60	Points
NME	UAC	Mid-Point Comparison Chart NME MM RM						TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray					1	1	1	4350
2	2	Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell					2	2	1	4265
3	3	Green Door - Frankie Vaughan					2	3	3	4125
3	4	St. Therese Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan					4	4	4	3915
6	5	Cindy Oh Cindy - Eddie Fisher					5	4	6	3730
9	6	Rip It Up - Bill Haley and His Comets					7	7	5	3600
5	7	True Love - Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly					6	8	7	3525
16	8	Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A)					8	8	8	3335
10	9	My Prayer - The Platters					11	6	8	3180
12	10	A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine					9	11	10	3090
17	11	Singing The Blues - Tommy Steele					12	10	10	2915
11	12	Love Me Tender - Elvis Presley					12	13	12	2735
7	13	Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell					10	14	14	2725
22	14	Blue Moon - Elvis Presley					19	14	13	2200
13	15	More - Jimmy Young					15	16	17	2180
	16	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets					23	18	15	1740
	20	Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets					23	16	16	1720
15	18	When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok					12	12		1615
25	19	Blueberry Hill - Fats Domino					25	20	20	1270
21	20	Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton					17	19		1150
8	21	Christmas Island - Dickie Valentine					16			975
19	22	Friendly Persuasion - Pat Boone					17			910
18	23	A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn					19			780
	23	The Green Door - Jim Lowe							18	780
20	23	Cindy Oh Cindy - Tony Brent					19			780
	26	Sing With Shand - Jimmy Shand							19	720
14	27	Moonlight Gambler - Frankie Laine					22			585
30	28	Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole					26	20		545
26	29	I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine - Elvis Presley (B)					26			325
30	29	Rudy's Rock - Bill Haley and His Comets					26			325
29		Lonnie Donegan Showcase (LP) - Lonnie Donegan					29			130
23		Christmas And You - Dave King					30			65
27		A Letter To A Soldier - Barbara Lyon					30			65
24		Join In And Sing No 3 - The Johnston Brothers								0
28		All Of You - Sammy Davis Jnr.

[MrTibbs]

Brian, could you add the Dec 29 MM and RM midpoint charts to your NME midpoint chart posting above? It would be worth a look to compare all of them against each other. Cheers...

Here is that chart Robin and guys.

I am interested in hearing what outcome all you mathematicians and statisticians make of this chart and comparisons. (Maths and statistics are not my forte, I was always better at English and Arithmetic).
The outcome is important as it will determine whether or not non compiled charts for other years will be converted in the same manner, or not.

The first column relates to the actual compiled NME chart for 29th December (I certainly believe this could be a 'skeleton' chart given that quite a few records climbed back up the chart again on 5th January). The second column is the complimentary UAC average of all three mid-point averaged charts. Then side by side the NME, MM, RM, mid-point charts for comparison.

Happy scrutinising Pop Pickers !

Brian

[setg1]

On 22 January 1955, "Mr. Sandman" was a top 20 hit for four artists on the NME chart:

9. Dickie Valentine
11. The Four Aces
12. The Chordettes
16. Max Bygraves

That was the only week the Max Bygraves version charted, the other three charted simultaneously in several other weeks. I had to check that one, as I knew the song had a lot of hit versions.

[MrTibbs]

No Robbie, on NME in 1955 (pre UAC era) 4 versions of Stranger In Paradise were in the Top 20 on 30th April simultaneously, a 5th version made it on 14th May although one of the previous versions had dropped out be then.
The same year on 18th June 4 versions of Unchained Melody were simultaneously in the Top 20.
So 4 simultaneously seems to be the record achieved by above 2 songs and Garden Of Eden (on UAC).

Unless someone knows different

[Robbie]

Four versions of the same song in the top 20 plus two versions of Singing The Blues... is this the last (or only?) time four versions of the same song were in the top 20?

[MrTibbs]

The battle is over before it's even started with The Garden Of Eden as Frankie Vaughan leaps 11 places to #3 leaving the three other versions stranded in its wake in the lower quarter of the Top 20. That said it speaks volumes for the popularity of the song that 4 versions make the Top 20.

Lonnie Donegan kicks off what will be his best ever year chart wise with a very high new entry at #13.

On the UAC Guy Mitchell stops Tommy Steele's version of 'Singing' in its tracks preventing it from reaching the chart summit.

Although differing in actual chart positions all three music paper charts agree on what the ten best selling singles are.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 19th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 19th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell					1	1	2	4440
2	2	Singing The Blues - Tommy Steele					2	2	1	4410
14	3	The Garden Of Eden - Frankie Vaughan					3	3	3	4200
6	4	True Love - Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly					5	8	4	3885
9	5	Friendly Persuasion - Pat Boone					4	6	6	3880
3	6	Green Door - Frankie Vaughan					6	4	5	3860
4	7	Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray					7	5	8	3590
5	8	St. Therese Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan					8	7	7	3535
7	9	Cindy Oh Cindy - Eddie Fisher					9	9	9	3300
8	10	Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A)					10	10	10	3150
11	11	Blueberry Hill - Fats Domino					12	12	11	2910
10	12	Rip It Up - Bill Haley and His Comets					11	13	14	2770
NEW	13	Don't You Rock Me Daddy-O - Lonnie Donegan					13	14	12	2735
13	14	Moonlight Gambler - Frankie Laine					16	11	13	2555
15	15	Love Me Tender - Elvis Presley					15	19	15	2300
12	16	The Garden Of Eden - Gary Miller					14	20	16	2280
18	17	Blue Moon - Elvis Presley					17	17	17	2100
23	18	Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton					19	20	20	1715
25	19	The Garden Of Eden - Dick James					23	20	18	1575
NEW	20	The Garden Of Eden - Joe Valino					23		19	1240
17	21	A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine					20	16		1090
NEW	22	You Me And Us - Alma Cogan					18			845
NEW	23	You Don't Owe Me A Thing / Look Homeward Angel - Johnnie Ray					21			650
28	24	Ain't That A Shame - Pat Boone					22			585
21	25	Don't Be Cruel - Elvis Presley (B)						15		400
22	26	I'll Be Home - Pat Boone					25			390
24	27	A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn					26			325
19	28	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets						18		325
RE	29	See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets						20		275
20	30	When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok					27			260
16		More - Jimmy Young					28			195
26		Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets					29			130
27		My Prayer - The Platters					30			65
29		A Letter To A Soldier - Barbara Lyon
30		Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell

[MrTibbs]

Thanks Brian. I'd also suggest adding the actual NME chart with the 3 midpoint charts, so we can see all 4 up against each other. Cheerz...

Sounds like a good idea to me

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Thanks Brian. I'd also suggest adding the actual NME chart with the 3 midpoint charts, so we can see all 4 up against each other. Cheerz...

[MrTibbs]

Brian, could you add the Dec 29 MM and RM midpoint charts to your NME midpoint chart posting above? It would be worth a look to compare all of them against each other. Cheers...

Yup no prob. Will do tomorrow Robin as working today I will do a chart featuring all 3 midpoint charts to see how the outcome looks

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Brian, could you add the Dec 29 MM and RM midpoint charts to your NME midpoint chart posting above? It would be worth a look to compare all of them against each other. Cheers...

[MrTibbs]

12 Garden Of Eden - Gary Miller
14 Garden Of Eden - Frankie Vaughan
25 Garden Of Eden - Dick James

How many Gardens of Eden were there?

There's about to be a 4th Brian

[brian05]

12 Garden Of Eden - Gary Miller
14 Garden Of Eden - Frankie Vaughan
25 Garden Of Eden - Dick James

How many Gardens of Eden were there?

[MrTibbs]

All 3 charts agree that 'Hound Dog' is still in the Top 10, even with RM and MM placing 'Dont Be Cruel' in their 20. So it seems odd that in the NME-only week they put the combined record down at 16. Perhaps a quirk produced by low sampling.

Yeah I agree I too think NME's 29th December chart was off the mark for whatever reason considering that a few singles climbed back up the chart the following week again.

[MrTibbs]

On the re-done 29 Dec, there are no columns to the right.... The text implies there should be.

I've amended the text Lonnie for clarity. There was no missing column, it now reads the column in blue gives the averaged position.

[kingofskiffle]

On the re-done 29 Dec, there are no columns to the right.... The text implies there should be.

[Splodj]

All 3 charts agree that 'Hound Dog' is still in the Top 10, even with RM and MM placing 'Dont Be Cruel' in their 20. So it seems odd that in the NME-only week they put the combined record down at 16. Perhaps a quirk produced by low sampling.

[MrTibbs]

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 12th 1957

Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 12th 1957							NME	MM	RM	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	65	25	60	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell					2	1	1	4435
5	2	Singing The Blues - Tommy Steele					1	2	2	4415
3	3	Green Door - Frankie Vaughan					4	3	4	4075
2	4	Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray					5	4	3	4045
4	5	St. Therese Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan					3	5	5	4030
7	6	True Love - Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly					6	7	6	3725
6	7	Cindy Oh Cindy - Eddie Fisher					7	6	7	3625
9	8	Hound Dog - Elvis Presley (A)					8	8	9	3390
16	9	Friendly Persuasion - Pat Boone					9	9	8	3360
8	10	Rip It Up - Bill Haley and The Comets					10	10	10	3150
17	11	Blueberry Hill - Fats Domino					12	13	11	2885
NEW	12	Garden Of Eden - Gary Miller					15	11	12	2680
23	13	Moonlight Gambler - Frankie Laine					15	12	12	2655
NEW	14	Garden Of Eden - Frankie Vaughan					11	18	14	2645
11	15	Love Me Tender - Elvis Presley					13	14	15	2555
21	16	More - Jimmy Young					18	15	16	2145
10	17	A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine					14	20	20	2040
15	18	Blue Moon - Elvis Presley (A)					17		19	1630
20	19	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets					26	15	16	1625
19	20	When Mexico Gave Up The Rumba - Mitchell Torok					20		16	1615
RE	21	Don't Be Cruel - Elvis Presley (B)						18	20	985
RE	22	I'll Be Home - Pat Boone					19			780
22	23	Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton					21			650
18	24	A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn					22			585
NEW	25	Garden Of Eden - Dick James					23			520
14	26	Rocking Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets					24			455
12	27	My Prayer - The Platters						15		400
RE	28	Ain't That A Shame - Pat Boone					25			390
28	29	A Letter To A Soldier - Barbara Lyon					27			260
13	30	Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell					28			195
		Red Light Green Light - Mitchell Torok					29			130
		Bring A Little Water Sylvie / Dead Or Alive - Lonnie Donegan					30			65
24		Sing With Shand - Jimmy Shand
25		Cindy Oh Cindy - Tony Brent
25		Christmas Island - Dickie Valentine
27		Rudy's Rock - Bill Haley and His Comets
29		Friendly Persuasion - The Four Aces
30		I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine - Elvis Presley (B)

[MrTibbs]

As promised here is the 'experimental' NME chart for 29th December 1956 as if it had not been compiled and an average had been taken from the weeks of 22nd December and 5th January as I did with RM and MM.

The column on the left gives the actual NME chart for 29th December and the positions in blue give the 'estimated' averaged position. As you can see lots of tied positions.

Let me know what you think !

NME Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 29th 1956
Actual	Aver		The Sound Survey			Stores
Week	Week		The Top 25 Singles Chart
1	1	Just Walking In The Rain - Johnnie Ray
3	2	Green Door - Frankie Vaughan
2	2	Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell
3	4	St. Theresa Of The Roses - Malcolm Vaughan
6	5	Cindy Oh Cindy - Eddie Fisher
5	6	True Love - Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly
9	7	Rip It Up - Bill Haley and His Comets
16	8	Hound Dog - Elvis Presley
12	9	A Woman In Love - Frankie Laine
7	10	Make It A Party - Winifred Atwell
10	11	My Prayer - The Platters
15	12	When Mexico Gave Up the Rhumba - Mitchell Torok
11	12	Love Me Tender - Elvis Presley
17	12	Singing The Blues - Tommy Steele
13	15	More - Jimmy Young
8	16	Christmas Island - Dickie Valentine
21	17	Two Different Worlds - Ronnie Hilton
19	17	Friendly Persuasion - Pat Boone
20	19	Cindy Oh Cindy - Tony Brent
22	19	Blue Moon - Elvis Presley (A)
18	19	A House With Love In It - Vera Lynn
14	22	Moonlight Gambler - Frankie Laine
	23	Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets
	23	Rockin' Through The Rye - Bill Haley and His Comets
25	25	Blueberry Hill - Fats Domino
30	26	Love Me As Though There Were No Tomorrow - Nat King Cole
26	26	I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine - Elvis Presley (B)
30	26	Rudy's Rock - Bill Haley and His Comets
29	29	Lonnie Donegan Showcase (LP) - Lonnie Donegan
23	30	Christmas And You - Dave King
27	30	A Letter To A Soldier - Barbara Lyon
24		Join In And Sing No 3 - The Johnston Brothers
28		All Of You - Sammy Davis Jnr.

[kjell]

Seems some of my music memories have left my mind. The list of LP hits in single charts looks like this: NME : Carousel original soundtrack 56 Jun 16 26-2, Songs for swingin’ lovers (Sinatra), Showcase
(Lonnie) 56 Dec 21 26-3, Come dance with me (Sinatra) 59 May 15 30-1Elvis is back 60 Jul 15 17-5, G.I. Blues 60 Dec 9 25-5, With the Beatles 63 Nov 29 11-7, A hard day’s night 64 Jul 17 22-6, Rolling Stones 64 Apr 24 23-3, Beatles for sale 64 Dec 12 22-5, Rolling Stones no. 2 65 Jan 23 21-2, Help 65 Aug 14 23-4, Sgt. Pepper 67 May 31 21-5, The White album (double) 68 Nov 27 20-3.
In Music Echo charted A hard day’s night 64-1, Help 47-2, Beatles for sale 38-6 and Rolling Stones no. 2 42-4. On Pop Weekly charted With the Beatles 22-6, A hard day’s night 25-4, Rolling Stones 27-3 and Rolling Stones no. 2 28-2. Turned out to be a big half dozen.

[MrTibbs]

Brian, so what did the NME midpoint chart look like for Dec 29? To compare against the actual NME Dec 29 chart, and versus the MM and RM Dec 29 midpoint charts? Inquiring minds need to know, ha...

Just about finished it Robin for posting tomorrow looks like lots of tied positions in it though

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Brian, so what did the NME midpoint chart look like for Dec 29? To compare against the actual NME Dec 29 chart, and versus the MM and RM Dec 29 midpoint charts? Inquiring minds need to know, ha...