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  • I love the song at number 1. In fact I love just about everything the Everly Brothers did. Even though it is still 4 years before I was born that is a decent top 30. The top 5 are all excellent.

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    • I was born when it was number one. As a result I try an avoid dating anyone called "Cathy" Not that I have been flooded with offers to date!
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • I was almost 15 and knew nothing of charted pop music. The only Norwegian radio channel didn’t play pop music and the mountains around the fjord made it hopeless to listen to Lux or any British radio. But two years and three months later I moved to the nearest town Molde to start my education. There the mountains were far away on the other side of the broadest fjord in the county, and NME was on the newsstand two months earlier. Lux was unbelievably clear, it was almost Heaven.

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        • Luxembourg programmes also went out on shortwave for those beyond medium wave reception.

          Barry Alldis said that his mum in Australia used to listen to his Top 20 show on a shortwave radio.

          And I think the BBC chart was also broadcast on shortwave on a World Service programme.

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          • Greetings Pop Pickers ! Just in from work hence why late on.

            There are 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 14th 1960.

            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 14th 1960 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 30 Points
            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
            1 1 Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers 1 1 1 1 1 1 7740
            3 2 Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith 2 2 2 3 2 3 7414
            2 3 Do You Mind - Anthony Newley 3 3 3 2 3 2 7292
            5 4 Handy Man - Jimmy Jones 4 4 5 5 6 4 6768
            10 5 Shazam - Duane Eddy 6 5 4 6 8 7 6520
            7 6 Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee 7 6 7 7 5 5 6432
            4 7 Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard 5 8 6 4 4 8 6406
            8 8 Standing On The Corner - The King Brothers 8 7 12 8 7 12 5704
            6 9 Stuck On You - Elvis Presley 9 11 8 10 9 6 5628
            13 10 Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston 10 9 9 11 11 11 5440
            11 11 Footsteps - Steve Lawrence 11 10 13 9 10 9 5306
            15 12 The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas 12 14 10 12 14 20 4522
            9 13 My Old Man's A Dustman - Lonnie Donegan 14 16 14 15 13 10 4358
            14 14 Beatnik Fly - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15 16 15 17 12 14 4152
            NEW 15 Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran 13 13 11 14 16 4036
            12 16 Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith 16 12 16 16 15 3470
            23 17 Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka 19 19 20 18 19 24 2924
            19 18 Tease Me / Ooh La La ! - Keith Kelly 17 18 17 13 2564
            16 19 Fings Ain't Wot They Used To Be - Max Bygraves 18 15 17 17 2400
            18 20 Clementine - Bobby Darin 20 26 15 13 1740
            20 21 Wild One - Bobby Rydell 23 20 19 1550
            17 22 He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves 29 19 16 1330
            21 23 Mack The Knife - Ella Fitzgerald 24 18 28 1300
            28 24 Kookie Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb) - Ed Byrnes and Connie Stevens 22 19 27 1296
            22 25 What In The World's Come Over You - Jack Scott 25 20 21 1198
            NEW 26 Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens 20 880
            NEW 27 Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland 30 18 860
            29 28 Hit And Miss - The John Barry Seven 18 390
            30 29 Standing On The Corner - The Four Lads 27 320
            26 30 Poor Me - Adam Faith 22 270
            Ooh La La ! - Keith Kelly 21
            I Love The Way You Love - Marv Johnson 28 240
            Delaware - Perry Como 23 240
            Running Bear - Johnny Preston 25 180
            You Got What It Takes - Marv Johnson 26 150
            Country Boy - Fats Domino 29 60
            This Love I Have For You - Lance Fortune 30 30
            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

            The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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            • In comes Eddie Cochran's timeless classic Three Steps To Heaven and I have to shamelessly admit I absolutely love Connie Steven's Sixteen Reasons. Sweet as honey.
              The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

              The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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              • Shortwave didn’t function there, but Fishermen’s wave was said to do. But that wasn’t exactly my kind of program as a teenager.

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                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                  In comes Eddie Cochran's timeless classic Three Steps To Heaven
                  The first RR-only number one, and the only RR-only number one for more than one week.

                  I think next week is when RM drop out of the BBC chart.

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                  • ^

                    Dare one say Eddie only made Number One Because he'd died a few weeks earlier?

                    Decent track but surely not in the Somethin' Else or C'mon Everybody class?


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                    • C'mon everybody was his best by far. It was similar to 17 years later when Elvis died. Way Down hovered at the bottom of the chart and was on the way out, then Elvis died and it vaulted to 4 then 1. I wouldn't have minded but by his earlier standard it was an awful substandard single.
                      The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                      The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                      • I loved Luxembourg as a radio station from the mid sixties onwards.

                        At the end of '65 I got one of those little transistor radios of the time with one ear piece. I always desperately wanted to listen to their Top twenty show on a Sunday night but it was 11 to midnight. At age 11 I was in bed way before then but was one of the brigade with the radio under the sheets to listen to it after keeping myself awake.

                        Sadly there were times one of my parents caught me and the radio was removed much to my frustration and disappointment.
                        The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                        The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                        • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                          The first RR-only number one, and the only RR-only number one for more than one week.

                          I think next week is when RM drop out of the BBC chart.
                          I believe now that the BBC never honestly took their own chart seriously. It seemed to be treated throughout the years in such a cavalier fashion, compilation wise, accuracy wise, credibility wise.
                          It was almost treated by them as being 'just a fun chart.

                          This theory is evidenced now by the fact they disown their own chart entirely. Every attempt is made to whitewash it from existence as the BBC goes out of its way to embrace retrospectively 'the official charts' .

                          For many years after the advent of the BMRB chart the BBC continued on retrospective chart shows to use its own chart but coincidentally when the OCC came into being and embraced the RR chart the BBC changed over to that too.

                          From then, quietly and without fanfare the BBC banished 'it's own child' without a mention then or since as if it had never existed. Shame On It !

                          I wonder if doing so and adopting RR was a condition laid down by the OCC, who like the school yard bully want everything our way or no way.
                          The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                          The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                          • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                            There are again 9 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

                            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 21st 1960.

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 21st 1960 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 30 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers 1 1 1 1 1 1 7740
                            2 2 Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith 2 2 2 2 2 2 7482
                            3 3 Do You Mind - Anthony Newley 3 5 3 3 3 4 7034
                            4 4 Handy Man - Jimmy Jones 4 4 6 4 6 3 6776
                            10 5 Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston 5 3 5 7 5 9 6672
                            5 6 Shazam - Duane Eddy 6 6 4 6 4 7 6640
                            6 7 Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee 7 6 8 8 8 5 6184
                            7 8 Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard 8 8 7 5 9 6 6118
                            11 9 Footsteps - Steve Lawrence 9 9 10 9 7 8 5746
                            15 10 Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran 10 10 9 10 12 15 5228
                            8 11 Standing On The Corner - The King Brothers 11 11 11 13 10 13 5074
                            9 12 Stuck On You - Elvis Presley 12 12 14 12 11 11 4862
                            12 13 The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas 13 13 12 11 13 12 4810
                            14 14 Beatnik Fly - Johnny and The Hurricanes 15= 20 16 17 15 14 3622
                            13 15 My Old Man's A Dustman - Lonnie Donegan 18 19 19 14 10 3160
                            17 16 Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka 14 14 18 16 17 3024
                            16 17 Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith 15= 17 18 14 16 2996
                            18 18 Tease Me / Ooh La La ! - Keith Kelly 17 18 13 15 27 2848
                            22 19 He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves 22 17 16 18 2520
                            26 20 Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens 23 20 17 22 2270
                            NEW 21 Robot Man / Mama - Connie Francis 23 15 20 2018
                            20 22 Clementine - Bobby Darin 21 18 20 1780
                            19 23 Fings Ain't Wot They Used To Be - Max Bygraves 20 15 21 1580
                            27 24 Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland 19 15 1280
                            23 25 Mack The Knife - Ella Fitzgerald 30 19 19 1040
                            24 26 Kookie Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb) - Connie Stevens 29 20 28 800
                            NEW 27 That's You - Nat King Cole 25 480
                            29 28 Standing On The Corner - The Four Lads 19 456
                            NEW 29 Milord - Edith Piaf 27 320
                            25 30 What In The World's Come Over You - Jack Scott 23 240
                            Mama - Connie Francis 26
                            Big Time - Adam Faith 27
                            Wild One - Bobby Rydell 24 210
                            Hit And Miss - The John Barry Seven 25 180
                            This Love I Have For You - Lance Fortune 26 150
                            Green Jeans - The Flee-Rekkers 29 60
                            Poor Me - Adam Faith 30 30
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                            * From this week the BBC didn't include RM in its 0
                            chart due to RM's now later publication date. 0
                            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                            The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                            • As Splodj mentioned above, from the 21st May 1960 the BBC now didn't include RM in its chart due to RM moving its publication to later in the week so the RM charts were compiled too late for the BBC's own chart compilation deadline.
                              The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                              The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                From then, quietly and without fanfare the BBC banished 'it's own child' without a mention then or since as if it had never existed. Shame On It !

                                I wonder if doing so and adopting RR was a condition laid down by the OCC, who like the school yard bully want everything our way or no way.
                                Well, that is one way to ensure a) consistency and b) avoid confusion. People don't like to be confused But it also makes sense to use the RR chart IF your also using it on websites, press releases and chart books - it should also be used on BBC when discussing the chart. Whatever chart picked would have had to be treated this way. Plus, if you use the BBC chart then people ask “how was it compiled?” (As we do over the RR one!) and I agree with MrTibbs the BBC chart was not consistent and so had problems.

                                Still, I do think it a shame they don’t use the BBC chart sometimes - if only to play the records not usual played.
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                                • The BBC charts were featured in two historical chart shows: 'Pick Of The Pops' on Radio 2 and 'The Vintage Chart Show' on the World Service.

                                  I've been looking into when the changeover happened ...

                                  POTP hosted by Dale Winton took a break from being a weekly show from 28-Aug-04 to 18-Sep-05. But there were 6 holiday specials in this break. The first on 26-Dec-04 used the BBC chart. The second on 31-Dec-04 contained charts in the BMRB period. The third on 28-Mar 2005 used the 'official' charts, and they were used thereafter.

                                  So it looks to me like the changoever happened on 1st January 2005.

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                                  • I do agree up to a point Lonnie, especially on the point of one chart had to be chosen and the BBC inaccuracies. But the point I was making was what was different and what changed at the point of the OCC taking over that made the BBC roll over then and not before.

                                    From 1969 till 2005 (like Splodj said) the BBC were happy to go with the BMRB chart but happy to use their own chart for the period before that, ignoring the RR chart before Feb 1969

                                    Then, out of the blue without explanation the BBC suddenly decided their charts were obsolete and the RR chart was what they should have been using all along.

                                    But, who actually appointed the OCC company anyway as the custodian of 'official' charts or did they appoint themselves as such ?
                                    The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                                    The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                    • As we know, the OCC appointed themselves as 'official', and even changed their name from the Chart Information Network "CIN" to reflect that, in 2001, as they were getting healthy competition from the Network "MRIB" chart. A very clever ploy, claim you are 'official' thus better / more legitimate than that other chart.

                                      Just as legitimate as any Fish n Chips shop or chain rebranding themselves as "The Official Fish n Chips Shoppe of the UK since 1952".

                                      Well, they say they're 'official' so they must be 'official', right? And if they say they are 'official', then we must believe they are 'official', right?

                                      It would be more accurate for the OCC to claim they are the 'official chart since Feb 1969'. And for the purposes of history, they are using NME for the 50s and RR for the 60s, though not 'official'. That is the truth.

                                      Rock on...
                                      Last edited by RokinRobinOfLocksley; Wed December 16, 2020, 17:28.

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                                      • As far as the BBC were concerned, I presume the person who decided to switch over was POTP producer Phil Swern.

                                        5 years later the BBC invited tenders for a digitalised record library and Phil Swern won the contract because of his vast record collection, which included every chart hit since 1952. The BBC's own record library is far larger, but they couldn't be bothered to digitalise so now they play records from Phil Swern's private collection!

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                                        • From the OCC web site,

                                          The guardians of these charts are the Official Charts Company – while OfficialCharts.com is the website which celebrates more than 60 years of UK chart history, from 1952 right up to the present day.

                                          We are charged with this mission by the UK's entertainment industry - we are owned by two industry associations, the Entertainment Retailers Association (Era) and the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), which represent the nation's retailers and music labels respectively. In turn, we can only do our job with the support of our contracted market research partner, Kantar (formerly Millward Brown), who in February 2015 marked 21 years compiling the UK's charts on our behalf.

                                          It is important to outline which singles and albums charts we are defining as “official” for the purposes of this database. To start with, every one of our specialist genre and format charts (which cover the period from from 1994 to date) are 100% Official, extracted directly from the industry-standard Official Charts Online database which is managed by Kantar (formerly named Millward Brown).

                                          Even for the Official Singles and Albums Charts for the years since the late Sixties, there has been little dispute over this “lineage” – since BMRB was first commissioned by the BBC and Record Retailer in 1969, everyone has been in pretty much unanimous agreement.

                                          But before this period, matters are less straightforward. In the early years of the UK’s charts (the Fifties and Sixties), there were a number of parallel charts published by various different magazines: at certain points, music papers such as the New Musical Express, Melody Maker, Disc, Record Mirror and Record Retailer (later renamed Record & Tape Retailer and then Music Week) all published their own music rundowns.

                                          For the purposes of this database, we are following the most unanimously agreed lineage. Chart historians have long since agreed the NME published the pre-eminent singles chart from launch in November 1952 through to February 1960, when the Record Retailer took over as the chart of choice. As far as albums are concerned, the Record Mirror chart was the original (and most widely recognised) rundown, from July 1956 until March 1960, when the Record Retailer took over.

                                          From this point in early 1960, Record Retailer unified the albums and singles charts, remaining the source of choice through until early 1969 when BMRB took over the reins. In January 1983, Gallup became the UK’s Official chart compiler, before Millward Brown (now Kantar) in turn picked up the baton in February 1994. The only exception to this unbroken run of BMRB charts post-1969 was for the eight weeks comprising February and March 1971, when a postal strike meant that album chart publication by BMRB was sporadic at best. For this period our database reflects the charts published by Melody Maker – as is also agreed by many chart historians.

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                                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                            As far as the BBC were concerned, I presume the person who decided to switch over was POTP producer Phil Swern.

                                            5 years later the BBC invited tenders for a digitalised record library and Phil Swern won the contract because of his vast record collection, which included every chart hit since 1952. The BBC's own record library is far larger, but they couldn't be bothered to digitalise so now they play records from Phil Swern's private collection!
                                            I never ever knew that . Funnily enough I remember Dave Taylor going on a rant about Phil Swern a few times when he became producer of POTP.
                                            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                                            The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                            • ''For the purposes of this database, we are following the most unanimously agreed lineage'' . ''Chart historians have long since agreed the NME published the pre-eminent singles chart from launch in November 1952 through to February 1960, when the Record Retailer took over as the chart of choice. ''

                                              Unanimous. What a lot of tosh ! What chart historians ? Will that be the guys who published The Guinness books by any chance.

                                              I could go on a rant but I am going to refrain
                                              The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                                              The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                              • Greetings Pop Pickers !

                                                There are 8 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

                                                Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 28th 1960.

                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 28th 1960 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 38 50 30 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                1 1 Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers 1 1 1 1 1 1 7740
                                                5 2 Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston 2 2 2 2 2 2 7482
                                                2 3 Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith 3 3 3 3 3 6 7134
                                                4 4 Handy Man - Jimmy Jones 4 3 7 4 6 3 6796
                                                7 5 Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee 5 5 5 6 5 9 6550
                                                6 6 Shazam - Duane Eddy 6 6 4 5 7 8 6498
                                                3 7 Do You Mind - Anthony Newley 7 8 8 7 4 7 6202
                                                10 8 Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran 8 7 6 8 9 11 5994
                                                9 9 Footsteps - Steve Lawrence 9 10 9 9 8 4 5796
                                                8 10 Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard 10 11 11 10 10 5 5428
                                                21 11 Mama / Robot Man - Connie Francis 11 9 10 13 14 20 4884
                                                16 12 Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka 12= 12 13 11 16 12 4680
                                                13 13 The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas 12= 14 14 14 11 10 4656
                                                12 14 Stuck On You - Elvis Presley 14 15 16 16 12 17 4120
                                                19 15 He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves 16 16 12 12 18 3452
                                                NEW 16 I Wanna Go Home - Lonnie Donegan 17= 17 15 20 18 28 3238
                                                11 17 Standing On The Corner - The King Brothers 15 13 13 13 2880
                                                NEW 18 The Urge - Freddy Cannon 19 19 18 16 27 2430
                                                27 19 That's You - Nat King Cole 17= 19 20 15 25 2408
                                                14 20 Beatnik Fly - Johnny and The Hurricanes 24 19 17 14 2226
                                                NEW 21 Lucky Five - Russ Conway 18 19 1760
                                                20 22 Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens 20 26 15 15 1680
                                                17 23 Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith 26 18 16 1344
                                                24 24 Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland 21 19 1160
                                                18 25 Tease Me / Ooh La La ! - Keith Kelly 17 840
                                                29 26 Milord - Edith Piaf 22 720
                                                15 27 My Old Man's A Dustman - Lonnie Donegan 20 26 700
                                                26 28 Kookie Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb) - Ed Byrnes and Connie Stevens 19 600
                                                NEW 29 True Love Ways - Buddy Holly 25 480
                                                23 30 Fings Ain't Wot They Used To Be - Max Bygraves 21 300
                                                Robot Man - Connie Francis 23
                                                Mack The Knife - Ella Fitzgerald 22 270
                                                That's Love - Billy Fury 28 240
                                                What In The World's Come Over You - Jack Scott 23 240
                                                Clementine - Bobby Darin 24 210
                                                You'll Never Know What You're Missin' - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 29 160
                                                Got A Girl - The Four Preps 30 80
                                                Sweet Dreams - Dave Sampson 30 80
                                                This Love I Have For You - Lance Fortune 29 60
                                                You Got What It Takes - Marv Johnson 30 30
                                                The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                                                The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                                • Buddy Holly's True Love Ways, new at 29 was a gem of a single and should have done so much better .
                                                  The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised And Extended

                                                  The Biggest Chart Of The Time

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                                                  • Is I Wanna Go Home - by Lonnie Donegan the same song as Sloop John B by the Beach Boys?

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