The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Thanks guys above for your response to my question.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 18th April 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 18th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
2	1	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					1	2	1	1	2
1	2	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					2	1	2	3	1
3	3	I Believe - The Bachelors					3	3	3	2	3
4	4	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					4	4	4	4	4
7	5	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					5	5	5	5	7
8	6	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	7	6	6	5
6	7	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					7	9	7	7	8
14	8	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					8	6	9	8	10
5	9	Just One Look - The Hollies					9	10	8	10	6
9	10	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					10	12	10	11	9
15	11	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					11	11	12	12	12
NEW	12	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					12	8	14	9	20
18	13	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					14	15	11	13	13
11	14	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					13	13	13	14	11
21	15	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					16	14	16	15	17
10	16	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					15	16	17	16	14
12	17	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					17	17	15	17	19
17	18	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					19	23	18	21	18
13	19	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					18	26	19	18	15
16	20	Diane - The Bachelors					20	30	20	23	16
27	21	Juliet - The Four Pennies					24	19	27	25
24	22	New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					21		21	22	24
NEW	23	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					22	21	29	20	29
NEW	24	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and The Pacemakers					23	20	30	19
19	25	Boys Cry - Eden Kane					26=	26	24		23
20	26	I Think Of You - The Merseybeats					25		22	29	21
NEW	27	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					26=	18		24
28	28	Think - Brenda Lee					28	25	26	27	27
23	29	Over You - Freddie and The Dreamers					30		23		25
22	30	Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby					29		25		22
		Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats						22		28
		Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker						24		26
		If He Tells You - Adam Faith							28		26
		Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals						28
		Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield						29		30
		Stay Awhile - Dusty Springfield									28
		Candy Man - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes									30

[membranemusic]

Hello
I would also like to pass my congrats to MrTibbs for his Record Mirror posts – the dealer charts - like Tutankhamun!
In doing the BBC charts, this is an interesting endeavour.

I certainly do not want to 'rock the boat' etc., but I have some observations;
As a weekly chart-watcher since 1962, I was a keen follower of the BBC Master chart, to the extent I took it upon myself eventually to re-calculate the occasional wayward BBC chart compilations. I have all the BBC charts (and most of the calculations) from July 1963 to February 1969. Before July 1963 Messrs Jacobs and Freeman were often coy about Nos. 11-20, hence not complete until then. I also have the calculations of all subsequent weeks from February 1969 until to October 1996.

I am pleased to say your 1/2/64 chart is largely the same.

I think a compiler would have to bear several points in mind:

1. Start date of 28/9/57 [BBC], or 1955?
2. End date of 8/2/69 [BBC], or when there ceased to be any bona fide industry journal rivals to MW [1996]? I am aware of the points-of-view.
3. You will have to decide how to treat joint positions: mathematically logical, yet irrational [e.g. 10/3/63 or 28/3/65, where the BBC chart is joint-crazy];
4. You will have to decide how to treat double-sided hits, as the NME split the sales of A-side and B-side on up to 70 singles between 1952 and 1969, as did MM for a while;
5. You will have to decide how to treat EPs, as RR excluded them from the SP chart because they had their own EP chart;
6. You will have to decide how to treat LPs, as the NME included them in their SP chart from time to time, despite having their own LP chart;
7. You will have to decide how to treat different editions of the same recording on the rare moments when 2 labels had hits with exactly the same recording, and RR separated the sales.
8. You may find that 30 points for No. 1, 29 points for 2, etc. works better than 1 point for No.1 etc when compensatory calculations are required.

Half the fun is the calculation. Good luck!

[Splodj]

Membranemusic,

In your re-calculations did you find that the BBC were adopting a tiebreaker policy about this time.

In the recent charts I have found 4 cases where there were equal scores but the BBC have not given equal positions.

On 4-Apr: Bachelors/Stones (4/5) and Applejacks/DC5 (9/10). On 11-Apr: Reeves/Stones (6/7). On 18th Apr Searchers/SBJ (12/13).

In each case the record going down the chart has been given the lower position.

Is this a deliberate new policy? There hasn't been a tie in the Top 20 since 7th March.

There have been ties in the 21-30 section but this was only for internal use. Those 4 tieing at 26 on 4-Apr all have different scores - I think an indication that they didn't bother much about accuracy at the bottom end.

[MrTibbs]

Hey guys, I always enjoy your feedback. Thanks membranemusic for your very positive comments on my other thread. I really enjoyed working on that musical tapestry to its completion and am now equally engrossed in this fascinating and addictive thread. I read yours and Splodj's comments above. I outlined my methodology away back at the start of this thread and you will see that I address your compiler issues there membranemusic as these are all valid considerations.

As you mention and Splodj the BBC calculations were not the most accurate hence why I went back to the drawing board on calculation using just Top 30 positions and also added the individual music papers' store returns to further enhance robustness .

I am really pleased with the outcome. As you can see it is not littered with ties. In the 19 weeks I have thus so far compiled with my method there have only been 2 ties, both at the very bottom end of the chart which I separated by using MM positions as it has the largest store return.

The BBC's own policy on ties varied through the years so was not consistent.

Continue to enjoy the chart guys as the Ultimate Averaged Chart is probably the most accurate we will ever get to a true chart of the time. I use an excell spreadsheet to assist with this to ensure accuracy with calculations. I owe a debt to my buddy RokinRobin for his assistance in developing this spreadsheet for me to work with.

[eurofandave]

Guys, do you find it helpful to see all the music paper charts and the BBC chart side by side to make comparisons ?

Brian,I love the layout!! It's really helpful to see all the music paper's charts positions side by side!! Well done!! :-)

[Splodj]

According to my calculations, on BBC scoring if a record is top in 3 of the charts it will score best unless it is at least as low as number 5 in the 4th chart. There are 4 more occasions in the next 12 months when RR had a record below 5 which the others had at number 1.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 25th April 1964. Enjoy.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 25th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					1	1	1	1	1
3	2	I Believe - The Bachelors					2	2	2	2	3
2	3	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					3	3	3	3	2
12	4	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					4	3	4	4	4
8	5	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					5	5	5	5	5
6	6	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	6	6	6	6
5	7	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					7	7	8	7	7
4	8	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					8	9	7	9	9
11	9	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					9	8	9	8	11
7	10	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					10	11	11	10	8
13	11	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					11	13	10	11	12
15	12	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					12	10	13	12	13
24	13	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					14	11	14	13	17
9	14	Just One Look - The Hollies					13	16	12	15	10
23	15	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					15	15	16	14	16
14	16	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					16	17	15	18	14
27	17	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					19	14	19	16	25
21	18	Juliet - The Four Pennies					17	19	18	17	18
10	19	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					18	21	17	19	15
NEW	20	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					20	18	21	20	24
17	21	Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows					21	22	20	21	20
18	22	Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley					23	24	22	30	22
16	23	Bits And Pieces - The Dave Clark Five					23	27	25	23	23
NEW	24	Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals					26=	19	27	29	29
20	25	Diane - The Bachelors					26=	29	23	28	21
19	26	Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black					25		24	25	19
RE	27	Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker					28	25	28	24	28
28	28	Think - Brenda Lee					29	26	29	27	26
22	29	New Orleans - Bern Elliot and The Fenmen					30		26		27
NEW	30	A Little Loving - The Fourmost						28	30
		The Rolling Stones (LP) - The Rolling Stones					22	23		22
		If I Loved You - Richard Anthony								26
		Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield						29
		Let Me Go Lover - Kathy Kirby									30

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 2nd May 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 2nd 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
4	1	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					1	2	1	1	2
1	2	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					2	1	2	3	1
2	3	I Believe - The Bachelors					3	3	3	2	3
5	4	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					4	4	4	4	5
3	5	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					5	5	5	5	4
6	6	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					6	6	6	6	6
13	7	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					7	7	8	9	7
9	8	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					8	8	9	8	8
18	9	Juliet - The Four Pennies					9	9	10	7	12
11	10	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					10	13	7	10	9
12	11	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					11	12	11	11	10
15	12	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					12	11	14	13	11
17	13	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					13	10	13	15	15
7	14	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					14	18	12	12	14
10	15	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					15	19	16	16	13
8	16	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					16	20	15	14	16
20	17	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					17=	14	18	19	17
30	18	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					17=	17	19	18	19
NEW	19	It's Over - Roy Orbison					20	15	21	17
14	20	Just One Look - The Hollies					19	24	17	21	18
24	21	Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals					21	15	23	26	21
16	22	Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans					23	25	20	23	20
NEW	23	Constantly - Cliff Richard					24	22	22	22	30
27	24	Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker					25	27	25	24	23
NEW	25	If I Loved You - Richard Anthony					26	26	26	25	28
NEW	26	Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield					27	27	27	27	25
19	27	That Girl Belongs To Yesterday - Gene Pitney					28		24	30	22
NEW	28	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					29	21	30
25	29	Diane - The Bachelors					30	29	29		26
NEW	30	The Spartans - Sounds Incorporated							28
		The Rolling Stones (LP) - The Rolling Stones					22	23		20
		Theme For Young Lovers - The Shadows									24
		Think - Brenda Lee								29	27
		I Will - Billy Fury						30		28
		Baby It's You - Dave Berry						30
		Viva Las Vegas - Elvis Presley									29

[membranemusic]

Hello MrTibbs
Yes, apologies, I drafted my response on methodology but had to wait for posting. So I appreciate that you have sales criteria in addition to points.
It’s great to see No. 21-30, which were not broadcast at that time.

I am not sure the BBC were bothered with a tiebreaker most of the time – just mild embarrassment at a joint position. There were plenty of joint positions after 1964 dates you mention.

Regarding double –sided hits, mrtibbs, one method not used by the BBC is to allocate a small number of points to the lesser-selling side and add them to the NME A-side, but subject to an upper limit, as the average of the other 3 charts might under-compensate on some occasions. Just saying….. It gets especially tricky with “Next Time”/”Bachelor Boy” in 62/63.

Keep on please.

[MrTibbs]

Thanks for your thoughts membranemusic. The problem with allocating points to both though means the record gets more than its fair share of points, eg, the example you give on January 5th 1963. Maximum points a record can achieve is 30, so if you allocate 28 points to The Next Time and 25 to Bachelor Boy you get 53 points so this obviously doesn't work, and if you simply add extra points to compensate this is subjective and open to interpretation and therefore inconsistency . I believe taking an average of all the other charts which combined the titles does give an acceptable result as the average will fall within the parameters of the other charts and therefore be reliable.

I am enjoying your input and comments though.

[Splodj]

Agree about the both sides issue, which we discussed on another thread. Effectively it is applying the EP solution.

But when you do the 50s you are probably going to need a changeover date to that system, which I have suggested could be March 1958.

[MrTibbs]

Thanks Splodj, that is most helpful.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 9th May 1964

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 9th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					1	1	1	1	1
4	2	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					2	2	3	2	3
2	3	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					4	4	2	4	4
3	4	I Believe - The Bachelors					3	3	4	3	2
9	5	Juliet - The Four Pennies					5	5	5	5	5
7	6	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					6	6	6	8	6
5	7	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					7	7	9	7	7
6	8	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					8	8	7	9	10
8	9	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					9	10	8	13	8
18	10	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					10=	12	10	10	11
19	11	It's Over - Roy Orbison					10=	11	12	6	14
13	12	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					12	9	14	12	9
23	13	Constantly - Cliff Richard					13	15	13	11	16
11	14	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					14	13	15	16	12
10	15	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					15	17	11	15	17
12	16	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					17	14	16	17	15
17	17	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					16	16	18	14	13
14	18	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					18	24	17	20	19
21	19	Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals					21	18	19	27	23
15	20	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones					22	21	20	26	21
25	21	If I Loved You - Richard Anthony					19=	25	22	21	18
NEW	22	I Will - Billy Fury					19=	22	25	19	20
28	23	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					24=	23	21	22	28
NEW	24	You're My World - Cilla Black					23	18	27	18	30
16	25	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					24=	26	23	23	22
26	26	Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield					27	29	24	28	25
NEW	27	The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows					28	20		24
30	28	The Spartans - Sounds Incorporated							26
24	29	Hi-Heel Sneakers - Tommy Tucker					29		28		26
20	30	Just One Look - The Hollies							29		29
		The Rolling Stones (LP) - The Rolling Stones					26	27		25
		You're The One - Kathy Kirby						28
		Baby It's You - Dave Berry					30				24
		Good Golly Miss Molly - The Swinging Blue Jeans							30		27
		Can't Buy Me Love - Ella Fitzgerald						30		30
		No Particular Place To Go - Chuck Berry								29

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 16th May 1964

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 16th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
5	1	Juliet - The Four Pennies					1	1	1	1	2
2	2	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					2	2	2	2	3
1	3	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					3	3	3	3	1
4	4	I Believe - The Bachelors					4	4	5	5	4
11	5	It's Over - Roy Orbison					5	6	6	4	6
10	6	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					6	7	4	6	10
24	7	You're My World - Cilla Black					7	5	8	7	12
3	8	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					8	11	7	9	5
13	9	Constantly - Cliff Richard					9	9	9	8	7
6	10	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					10	8	10	10	9
12	11	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					11	9	11	12	11
8	12	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					12	12	12	11	8
7	13	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					13	13	14	13	13
9	14	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					15	17	13	15	15
17	15	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					14	15	15	14	16
27	16	The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows					18	14	17	16	21
14	17	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					16	16	18	18	14
22	18	I Will - Billy Fury					17	19	16	17	17
15	19	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					19	22	19	20	18
16	20	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					20	21	20	21	19
23	21	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					21	18	21	22	24
NEW	22	No Particular Place To Go - Chuck Berry					22	19	26	19	26
19	23	Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals					23	23	22	25	23
21	24	If I Loved You - Richard Anthony					24		23	24	20
NEW	25	You're The One - Kathy Kirby					26=	24	24	27	30
26	26	Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield					26=	26	25	29	25
18	27	Tell Me When - The Applejacks					25	27	27	26	22
NEW	28	Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					29=	25	30
25	29	Little Children - Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas					29=		28		27
20	30	Not Fade Away - The Rolling Stones						28			28
		The Rolling Stones (LP) - The Rolling Stones					28			23
		The Spartans - Sounds Incorporated							29
		Suspicion - Terry Stafford						29
		I Love You Baby - Freddie and The Dreamers								28
		Baby It's You - Dave Berry								30	29
		Shout - Lulu and The Luvvers						30

[membranemusic]

Hello all contributors. The revised charts are truly wonderful to read.
On a general point, I have often wondered for some time why many contributors on uk,mix tend to ignore record labels. Granted a) a lot of extra work, b) no-one cares any more in today's digital world, it was nonetheless the case that in the 60-80s the record label mattered almost as much as the artist, e.g. whether on London or Parlophone. I used to run logs and tallies on each label from the 60s to the 80s, until the point when record companies started eating each other. Do tell your comments.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 23rd May 1964.

I'm pleased membranemusic that you and many others are enjoying the Ultimate Averaged charts, re-worked and accurately compiled.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 23rd 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	Juliet - The Four Pennies					1	1	1	1	1
7	2	You're My World - Cilla Black					2	2	2	2	4
5	3	It's Over - Roy Orbison					4	3	3	4	5
2	4	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					3	4	5	3	2
6	5	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					6	6	4	6	8
3	6	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					5	7	6	7	3
9	7	Constantly - Cliff Richard					7	5	7	5	9
4	8	I Believe - The Bachelors					8	8	8	8	6
11	9	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					9=	10	9	14	11
16	10	The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows					12	11	10	11	13
12	11	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					9=	13	12	9	10
10	12	Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					9=	12	13	12	7
8	13	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					13	21	11	10	12
18	14	I Will - Billy Fury					14	16	14	13	14
22	15	No Particular Place To Go - Chuck Berry					15	9	17	15	20
15	16	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					16	19	15	16	16
21	17	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					19	14	18	20	22
14	18	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					17	20	16	19	17
13	19	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					18	22	19	17	15
17	20	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					20	18	21	25	18
NEW	21	I Love You Baby - Freddie and The Dreamers					21	17	22	21	25
25	22	You're The One - Kathy Kirby					23	25	20	24	28
28	23	Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					22	23	26	18	26
NEW	24	My Guy - Mary Wells					24=	15		23
19	25	Everything's Alright - The Mojos					24=	27	23	26	24
24	26	If I Loved You - Richard Anthony					26	28	25		19
20	27	Hubble Bubble Toil And Trouble - Manfred Mann					27		24	29	21
NEW	28	Here I Go Again - The Hollies					28	24	30	22
26	29	Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield					30	26	28	30	27
23	30	Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals					29		27	28	23
		Shout - Lulu and The Luvvers						29		27
		Baby It's You - Dave Berry							29
		Suspicion - Terry Stafford						30
		Tell Me When - The Applejacks									29
		The Spartans - Sounds Incorporated									30

[Splodj]

With regard to record labels they have negative connotations with me because when a label was specified on the radio it was a sign of something bad ...

1 - Those sponsored shows on Luxembourg which would play only a minute of each disc;

2 - On the pirates it was a sign that they had paid for it to be played;

3 - On the BBC it was a bore when they reviewed new releases (exempt from needle time) and had to specify the label and catalogue number. This continued up to September 1972.

[MrTibbs]

It is clearly apparent when you actually look at the music paper charts side by side just how weak the RR charts are by comparison to the others.In the chart above as just one example the RR positions in 8 out of the Top Ten positions are way out with the parameters of the other three.

[Graham76man]

Wot NO Labels!
I suppose with most people who used to follow charts, they would write down the charts from the Radio and the DJ rarely ever mentioned the record company. For most people it was about the music or artist, not the label they were on.
I don't use them on the Real Charts. Mostly because I am not recording how much the label was making. But also that imported records could be selling more than the UK version, which would be on a different label! At one point the Official Chart would have the import selling at the lower end of the chart. Then when the UK version came out, that would enter say at number one and it had NOT climbed up from where the import was. In fact the import sales were no longer registered for the chart. Due to the format rules. Very silly if you ask me!!

Some of the pirate stations did start to pay for the records they would play. It was one of the criticisms levelled at them by the Government, probably the record companies too. Ripping off the musicians. Though they greatly benefited from the fact that plays on the pirates sold records.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 30th May 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 30th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
2	1	You're My World - Cilla Black					1	1	1	1	1
1	2	Juliet - The Four Pennies					2	2	2	2	2
3	3	It's Over - Roy Orbison					3	3	3	3	4
7	4	Constantly - Cliff Richard					5	5	4	5	5
4	5	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					4	4	7	4	3
5	6	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					6	6	5	7	6
10	7	The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows					7	8	6	6	7
15	8	No Particular Place To Go - Chuck Berry					8	7	9	8	10
9	9	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					10	11	8	11	11
6	10	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					9	10	11	10	8
8	11	I Believe - The Bachelors					11	13	10	9	9
11	12	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					12	20	12	12	12
23	13	Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					13	14	16	14	13
12	14	Don't let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					16	15	14	19	15
28	15	Here I Go Again - The Hollies					15	12	17	15	18
16	16	I Will - Billy Fury					14	21	13	13	14
17	17	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					17	16	15	16	20
24	18	My Guy - Mary Wells					18	9	21	17	25
21	19	I Love You Baby - Freddie and The Dreamers					19	17	18	18	21
22	20	You're The One - Kathy Kirby					20	19	22	25	17
16	21	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					21	28	19	20	16
NEW	22	Shout - Lulu and The Luvvers					22	18	24	23	24
13	23	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					23	25	20	21	23
19	24	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					24	24	25	24	22
18	25	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					26		23	26	19
20	26	Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five					25	23	26		26
NEW	27	Can't You See That She's Mine - The Dave Clark Five					27	22	30	22
26	28	If I Loved You - Richard Anthony					28=	30	27	29	27
NEW	29	Don't Let The Rain Come Down - Ronnie Hilton					28=	27		27	28
NEW	30	I Wish You Would - The Yardbirds					30=	26
		Angry At The Big Oak Tree - Frank Ifield							28
		Suspicion - Terry Stafford					30=	29		28
		Everything's Alright - The Mojos							29		30
		Baby Let Me Take You Home - The Animals									29
		Stop Look And Listen - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders								30

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers ! Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending 6th June 1964.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 6th 1964							BBC	NME	MM	Disc	RR
Last	This						Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart	Chart
Week	Week	Title and Artist						Total Chart Positions			30
1	1	You're My World - Cilla Black					1	1	1	1	1
3	2	It's Over - Roy Orbison					2	2	3	2	2
2	3	Juliet - The Four Pennies					3	3	2	3	3
4	4	Constantly - Cliff Richard					4	5	4	4	4
7	5	The Rise And Fall Of Flingel Bunt - The Shadows					5=	6	5	5	5
8	6	No Particular Place To Go - Chuck Berry					5=	4	6	6	6
15	7	Here I Go Again - The Hollies					7	8	7	7	11
5	8	My Boy Lollipop - Millie					8	9	10	8	7
6	9	A Little Loving - The Fourmost					9	11	8	10	9
18	10	My Guy - Mary Wells					11	6	11	11	12
13	11	Someone Someone - Brian Poole and The Tremeloes					10	10	12	9	8
9	12	Walk On By - Dionne Warwick					12	13	9	15	10
12	13	I Love You Because - Jim Reeves					16	18	13	12	13
22	14	Shout - Lulu and The Luvvers					14	12	17	16	17
17	15	Non Ho L'Eta Per Amarti - Gigliola Cinquetti					17	15	15	19	18
16	16	I Will - Billy Fury					15	20	14	14	16
11	17	I Believe - The Bachelors					13	17	16	18	14
27	18	Can't You See That She's Mine - The Dave Clark Five					18	14	20	13	21
10	19	Don't Throw Your Love Away - The Searchers					19	21	19	17	15
19	20	I Love You Baby - Freddie and The Dreamers					20	22	18	20	20
20	21	You're The One - Kathy Kirby					21	23	21	27	19
29	22	Don't Let The Rain Come Down - Ronnie Hilton					22	24	22	23	23
NEW	23	Hello Dolly - Louis Armstrong					23	16	27	22
NEW	24	Ramona - The Bachelors					24	19	30	21	29
14	25	Don't Let The Sun catch You Crying - Gerry and Pacemakers					25	29	23	25	24
21	26	Don't Turn Around - The Merseybeats					26		24	28	22
25	27	Move Over Darling - Doris Day					28=		25		26
NEW	28	Nobody I Know - Peter and Gordon					27	25		24
23	29	A World Without Love - Peter and Gordon					30=		26		27
24	30	Can't Buy Me Love - The Beatles					28=		28		25
		Hello Dolly - Frankie Vaughan						26
		Ain't She Sweet - The Beatles						27		30
		You're No Good - The Swinging Blue Jeans					30=	29		26
		Near You - The Migil Five						27
		Mocking Bird Hill - The Migil Five							29		28
		Stop Look And Listen - Wayne Fontana and The Mindbenders								29
		If I Loved You - Richard Anthony									30

[Splodj]

It is clearly apparent when you actually look at the music paper charts side by side just how weak the RR charts are by comparison to the others.In the chart above as just one example the RR positions in 8 out of the Top Ten positions are way out with the parameters of the other three.

The BBC might have had difficulty doing a chart that favoured any particular compilers over others, but what they could have done to produce something similar to your charts is apply their odd-one-out rule throughout the 30. So if any one chart was 4 or more places out than the others it would be ignored. In principle this rule would be neutral between the charts, but in practice at this time would be a way of avoiding RR outlier positions.

[kjell]

Hi Brian, I had BBC’s averaged charts on beforehand and didn’t expect your recount to be interesting at first. See I was wrong after going thru’ your system. The one weakness I’ve discovered is the problem caused by bigger differences saleswise at the top of the chart than lower down. However, that can’t be rectified without having the real salesfigures from then. Otherwise it seems you’re doing everything right. Just started enjoying your averages.

[MrTibbs]

Factoring in percentages of store returns to the music papers additional to inverse points does make a difference without disrupting the chart too much. It smoothes out minor differences and endless ties and gives a much more accurate results as you can see.
The other factor in all of this is the fact that on occasions the BBC chart was compiled without the RR chart as it was often received too late for chart compilation. We just don't know how frequent that was. My chart obviously as compiled now includes them all.

[MrTibbs]

Hi Guys,I'm busy today but will post the next 3 charts tomorrow. Brian