The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[kingofskiffle]

Is I Wanna Go Home - by Lonnie Donegan the same song as Sloop John B by the Beach Boys?

Yes.

Lonnie Donegan: https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/1732281...+Wanna+Go+Home
Beach Boys: https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/8288663...s/Sloop+John+B

The full title of the Lonnie D track is "I Wanna Go Home (The Wreck Of The John 'B')" (See http://www.45cat.com/record/7n15267) The Beach Boys just listed the composer as "Arr. Brian Wilson" http://www.45cat.com/record/5602

[Graham76man]

Buddy Holly's True Love Ways, new at 29 was a gem of a single and should have done so much better .

Not much better judging by the owns on 45 Cat. It has 58 owns, and a value of £15. So the owns versus chart position would only get it about 10 places higher than NME. I always remove each pound from the owns giving it only 43. No money and it could get to six on 58 owns.
It also has a release date of the 20 May so the record didn't wait around to get into NME chart. I wonder if NME were rotating chart shops at this point? For perhaps it was only selling in some stores and then next week, most of the stores were not include, so out it goes!
Might explain why a new hit comes in then doesn't do anything next week. It's not like when the records were sold cheap in the first week and then full price the next week: hence high new entry and out - of the 1990's.

[Graham76man]

From the OCC web site,

In turn, we can only do our job with the support of our contracted market research partner, Kantar (formerly Millward Brown)

I didn't know that Millward Brown had changed hands!
And Kantar! Quite bizzare. The BBC charts are under control of two men who worked for ITV

Ian Griffiths (former CFO and COO at ITV was named Chief Financial Officer of Kantar, while Adam Crozier (former chief executive officer of media company ITV) was appointed Chairman.

[Robbie]

I didn't know that Millward Brown had changed hands!
And Kantar! Quite bizzare. The BBC charts are under control of two men who worked for ITV

Millward Brown was known as Kantar Millward Brown for a while before Kantar changed the name of all the various divisions it owned to simply Kantar. Interestingly in 2009 Kantar bought the British Market Research Bureau which means that both Millward Brown and the BMRB are now owned by the same company. The BMRB are still in the same office in Ealing where they were based while compiling the UK charts. I wonder if they still have all the sales information from back then? Who knows, it could be hidden in their vaults. When Gallup took over compiling the charts at the end of 1982 I believe they refused to hand anything over to Gallup or even the BPI so kept all of their sales data. Of course the BPI do have all of the sales data from the old chart reports that were compiled by BARS for the music industry. Or at least I hope they still have them. The library has been closed to the public for many years now and the last I heard things were stored in boxes in hallways.

[brian05]

Thanks for the info kingofskiffle.
There are some differences in the lyrics and the Beach Boys have 2 extra verses. Same tune though.

[MrTibbs]

Im working today guys so will post the next chart tonight .

[Metalweb]

Thanks for the info kingofskiffle.
There are some differences in the lyrics and the Beach Boys have 2 extra verses. Same tune though.

Wikipedia list dozens of different recordings, the earliest dating from 1935.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop_John_B

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 4th 1960.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 4th 1960								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	38	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers					1	1	1	1	1	1	7740
2	2	Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston					2	2	2	2	2	2	7482
5	3	Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee					4	4	5	5	3	4	6918
4	4	Handy Man - Jimmy Jones					3	3	4	4	5	7	6906
8	5	Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran					5	8	6	3	4	3	6594
6	6	Shazam - Duane Eddy					6	6	3	6	7	9	6490
3	7	Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith					7	5	8	7	8	5	6302
9	8	Footsteps - Steve Lawrence					8	7	10	9	9	6	5866
11	9	Mama / Robot Man - Connie Francis					10	9	7	8	10	15	5604
7	10	Do You Mind - Anthony Newley					9	10	14	10	6	8	5438
16	11	I Wanna Go Home - Lonnie Donegan					11	11	9	12	16	18	4782
12	12	Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka					12=	17	13	11	14	13	4350
10	13	Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard					12=	15	16	14	13	11	4326
13	14	The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas					14	20	12	13	12	10	4284
22	15	Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens					15	18	19	17	11	17	3712
21	16	Lucky Five - Russ Conway					19	13	11	20		19	3418
15	17	He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves					16	14	15	16		14	3400
18	18	The Urge - Freddy Cannon					17	20	18	15	17	26	3118
19	19	That's You - Nat King Cole					20	19	17	19	19	25	3036
24	20	Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland					18	16	20		20	21	2710
17	21	Standing On The Corner - The King Brothers						23			18	16	1740
14	22	Stuck On You - Elvis Presley						26			15	20	1530
NEW	23	You'll Never Know What You're Missin' - Emile Ford and The Checkmates						25				22	750
NEW	24	Got A Girl - The Four Preps						22					720
23	25	Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith						29		18		30	684
NEW	26	That's Love - Billy Fury						24				27	680
20	27	Beatnik Fly - Johnny and The Hurricanes										12	570
NEW	28	Sweet Dreams - Dave Sampson						27					320
NEW	29	Ain't Misbehavin' - Tommy Bruce						27					320
RE	30	Mack The Knife - Ella Fitzgerald										23	240
		Robot Man - Connie Francis						11
		My Old Man's A Dustman - Lonnie Donegan										24	210
		Green Jeans - The Flea Rekkers										28	90
		Milord - Edith Piaf						30					80
		Kookie Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb) - Ed Byrnes and Connie Stevens										29	60

[Woz1234]

You've got "That's Love - Billy Fury" twice on that last chart (4th June).

[MrTibbs]

Ah ! Sorry. Will fix that in the morning. Thanks for the heads up.

[MrTibbs]

Guys, please see amended chart above for June 4th.

I had listed Billy Fury for NME then again for RR on two separate lines. I have corrected this so both chart positions are on the same line.
As a result Billy is now 26 as opposed to 27 on previous entry.

I am meticulous on checking the charts before posting but this somehow bypassed my eagle eye.

It is again good that you guys pick up on an occasional typing error here and there and point it out, and I appreciate it. This keeps the charts 100% accurate.

[MrTibbs]

June 11th will be posted later this morning.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 13 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 11th 1960.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 11th 1960								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	38	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers					1	1	1	1	1	1	7740
2	2	Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston					2	2	2	2	2	2	7482
5	3	Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran					4	5	3	3	5	3	6964
9	4	Mama / Robot Man - Connie Francis*					6	8	3	5	4	7	6838
4	5	Handy Man - Jimmy Jones					5	3	5	6	7	5	6730
3	6	Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee					3	4	6	4	3	15	6566
6	7	Shazam - Duane Eddy					7	6	7	7	6	4	6412
11	8	I Wanna Go Home - Lonnie Donegan					8	7	8	8	9	6	6024
7	9	Someone Else's Baby / Big Time- Adam Faith					10	10	11	14	11	13	5066
8	10	Footsteps - Steve Lawrence					11	17	10	9	10	8	4956
15	11	Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens					9	12	17	11	8	19	4630
12	12	Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka					12	14	16	10	15	9	4518
16	13	Lucky Five - Russ Conway					19	16	9		18	14	3680
17	14	He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves					16=	11	14	19		17	3496
14	15	The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas					15	25	15	15	12	16	3448
10	16	Do You Mind - Anthony Newley					13	19		13	13	10	3174
19	17	That's You - Nat King Cole					16=	13	19		17	24	3070
13	18	Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard					14	21		12	14	11	2972
29	19	Ain't Misbehavin' - Tommy Bruce					20	18	12	17			2712
20	20	Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland					18	15		18	19	20	2704
NEW	21	Down Yonder - Johnny and The Hurricanes						23	12	16			2350
18	22	The Urge - Freddy Cannon						24		20	16	18	2118
26	23	That's Love - Billy Fury						22	20			21	1680
23	24	You'll Never Know What You're Missin' - Emile Ford and The Checkmates						30	18			12	1430
NEW	25	River Stay 'Way From My Door - Frank Sinatra						20					880
22	26	Stuck On You - Elvis Presley									20	26	700
21	27	Standing On The Corner - The King Brothers						28				22	510
NEW	28	Mustapha - Bob Azzam						26					400
RE	29	Milord - Edith Piaf						27					320
28	30	Sweet Dreams - Dave Sampson						28				29	300
		Robot Man - Connie Francis						9
		Green Jeans - The Flee-Rekkers										23	240
		Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith										25	180
		True Love Ways - Buddy Holly										27	120
		Got A Girl - The Four Preps										28	90
		My Old Man's A Dustman - Lonnie Donegan										30	30
		* This week the split sides would have affected NME's
		averaged chart position so an average was taken
		from the other 4 charts giving an average of 4.75
		and awarded to NME to give a more representative
		chart position for both sides together.
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[Graham76man]

My birth date chart (exact day)

[MrTibbs]

Lots of good stuff on that chart to welcome you

[membranemusic]

It's great to see 5 charts battling it out. It reminds me of the heady days of 1978-1979 when 5 charts (3 business, 2 consumer) were busy trying to outdo each other!

[braindeadpj]

Great work MrTibbs! Apologies for the delay in mentioning this, but I just noticed that the entry of Sandy Nelson with Teen Beat on the 6/2/1960 chart was actually a re-entry.

[MrTibbs]

Now corrected ta

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 15 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 18th 1960.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 18th 1960								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	38	50	30
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30
1	1	Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers					1	1	1	1	1	1
4	2	Robot Man / Mama - Connie Francis *					4	7	2	4	2	4
2	3	Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston					2	2	4	2	3	5
3	4	Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran					3	3	3	3	4	2
5	5	Handy Man - Jimmy Jones					5	4	6	5	5	3
8	6	I Wanna Go Home - Lonnie Donegan					6=	5	5	7	8	6
7	7	Shazam - Duane Eddy					6=	6	7	8	6	7
6	8	Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee					8	9	8	6	7	9
11	9	Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens					9	11	12	10	9	11
12	10	Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka					12=	12	14	16	16	8
19	11	Ain't Misbehavin' - Tommy Bruce					10	8	9	12		21
14	12	He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves					12=	19	11	14	11	22
21	13	Down Yonder - Johnny and The Hurricanes					11	13	10	9		26
NEW	14	Angela Jones - Michael Cox					17	20	17	13	15
9	15	Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith					12=	16		15	13	15
NEW	16	Good Timin' - Jimmy Jones					15=	14	15	11
13	17	Lucky Five - Russ Conway						20	12		20	17
10	18	Footsteps - Steve Lawrence					15=	15			10	10
17	19	That's You - Nat King Cole						22	19		18	13
25	20	River Stay 'Way From My Door - Frank Sinatra					20	17	16	19		27
16	21	Do You Mind - Anthony Newley					18	25			12	14
24	22	You'll Never Know What You're Missin' - Emile Ford and The Checkmates						24	18			12
20	23	Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland						22			17	16
18	24	Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard					19	26			14	18
22	25	The Urge - Freddy Cannon								18	19	19
23	26	That's Love - Billy Fury						27		17		20
28	27	Mustapha - Bob Azzam						18
NEW	28	Pistol Packin' Mama - Gene Vincent						28	20
15	29	The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas								20		23
30	30	Sweet Dreams - Dave Sampson						28				30
		Mama - Connie Francis						10
		Romantica - Jane Morgan						28
		Stuck On You - Elvis Presley										24
		True Love Ways - Buddy Holly										25
		Beatnik Fly - Johnny and The Hurricanes										28
		Theme From 'A Summer Place' - Percy Faith										29
		* This week the split sides would have affected NME's
		averaged chart position so an average was taken
		from the other 4 charts giving an average of 3
		and awarded to NME to give a more representative
		chart position for both sides together.

[Splodj]

Joe Meek managing to get a record on his independent Triumph label into the charts at 14.

[Graham76man]

Joe Meek managing to get a record on his independent Triumph label into the charts at 14.

Unfortunately Joe Meek was the type of guy that would also buy up records in the known chart shops. Well recorded. The record was consider a joke. For how could a small label fill the massive amount of record shops? It was said at the time that if people asked for it, that they were told to try the chemist.
The version of the song that presumably was bought at the time for it's still in my record collection was by Johnny Ferguson. Even so it is also in one of my relation's record collection, on the MGM label. It was also the first time I began to suspect the charts. For it's not in the hit singles book. I knew this was odd because my family were not big record buyers. So for them to buy a none hit was strange to say the least.

[Graham76man]

Lots of good stuff on that chart to welcome you

At home too. And the doctor's name was "Livingstone" believe it or not.
He was my doctor for many years and I got some strange looks when officials at school etc asked for my doctor's name

[MrTibbs]

Johnny Ferguson's version of Angela Jones will chart soon too.

[MrTibbs]

I have to admit I loved Joe Meek's sound. I have lots of his hits and lesser ones too.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

There are 10 differences this week in chart positions between the BBC Chart Top 20 and The Ultimate Averaged Chart Top 20.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 25th 1960.

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 25th 1960								NME	RM	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	80	60	38	50	30	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC				TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Cathy's Clown - The Everly Brothers					1	1	1	1	2	6	7540
2	2	Robot Man / Mama - Connie Francis					2	3	2	3	1	2	7414
4	3	Three Steps To Heaven - Eddie Cochran					3	2	3	2	3	1	7402
3	4	Cradle Of Love - Johnny Preston					4	6	6	5	4	4	6648
5	5	Handy Man - Jimmy Jones					5	4	7	6	6	3	6640
11	6	Ain't Misbehavin' - Tommy Bruce					7	6	4	7	8	9	6342
6	7	I Wanna Go Home - Lonnie Donegan					8	8	8	8	5	5	6174
16	8	Good Timin' - Jimmy Jones					6	4	5	4	11	18	6136
8	9	Sweet Nothin's - Brenda Lee					9	9	14	9	7	8	5506
13	10	Down Yonder - Johnny and The Hurricanes					10	10	9	10	12	16	5198
9	11	Sixteen Reasons - Connie Stevens					11	12	12	11	10	17	4890
7	12	Shazam - Duane Eddy					12	15	13	14	9	7	4826
12	13	He'll Have To Go - Jim Reeves					13	13	11	13	13	12	4794
14	14	Angela Jones - Michael Cox					14	17	10	12	15	14	4412
20	15	River Stay 'Way From My Door - Frank Sinatra					16	16	16	16	19	28	3360
10	16	Stairway To Heaven - Neil Sedaka					17	14	17	17		11	3332
28	17	Pistol Packin' Mama - Gene Vincent					18	19	15	18	16	30	3194
18	18	Footsteps - Steve Lawrence					15	20		15	14	13	2878
19	19	That's You - Nat King Cole						22	19		18	10	2720
NEW	20	Made You / When Johnny Comes Marching Home - Adam Faith					19	18	18	19			2276
23	21	Let The Little Girl Dance - Billy Bland					20	26			17	15	1580
27	22	Mustapha - Bob Azzam						21				27	920
15	23	Someone Else's Baby / Big Time - Adam Faith									20	19	910
17	24	Lucky Five - Russ Conway						23				23	880
NEW	25	Talkin' Army Blues - Josh McCrae							20				660
NEW	26	Shakin' All Over - Johnny Kidd and The Pirates						28		20			658
NEW	27	What A Mouth - Tommy Steele						24					560
25	28	The Urge - Freddy Cannon						27				24	530
NEW	29	Romantica - Jane Morgan						25					480
22	30	You'll Never Know What You're Missin' - Emile Ford and The Checkmates						30				22	350
		Mama - Connie Francis						11
		The Heart Of A Teenage Girl - Craig Douglas										20	330
		Fall In Love With You / Willie And The Hand Jive - Cliff Richard										21	300
		Stuck On You - Elvis Presley										25	180
		Bill Bailey Won't You Please Come Home - Bobby Darin						29					160
		That's Love - Billy Fury										26	150
		Why Didn't You Tell Me - Marke Anthony						30					80
		Got A Girl - The Four Preps										29	60