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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The two component charts for 12 November 1955 seem at odds with each other with only 12 titles common to both charts. None of those titles occupy the same place on both charts. The UAC is acting amost as a compromise chart for this week, given how little the NME and RM charts agree with each other.
    Yeah Robbie I noticed that too when compiling it. It reminded me of when I compiled the Early Record Mirror Charts using their dealer returns. It amazed me then how two large record shops in the same area could report two completely different top tens as their best sellers. I think NME and RM had to be using very different store samples to account for these differences.

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  • Robbie
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    The two component charts for 12 November 1955 seem at odds with each other with only 12 titles common to both charts. None of those titles occupy the same place on both charts. The UAC is acting amost as a compromise chart for this week, given how little the NME and RM charts agree with each other.

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  • Graham76man
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    About time Bill Haley was top, he's been top since the 30 October on the Real Chart. But it doesn't make him the first Rock and Roll act, if you consider The Crew Cuts to be a contender, since that made the top in the UK on September 19 1954.

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  • MrTibbs
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    After taking a pause at #5 Bill Haley takes a leap to the top of the chart this week, making history as the first Rock'n'Roll single to reach #1 in the UK. The Crew Cuts with Sh Boom are generally considered to be the first in the US the year previous.

    Much debate still rages on as to the first actual Rock'n'Roll single with a number of contenders in contention. My personal choice is the wonderful 'Gee' by The Crows. A stunning early record

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 12th 1955

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 12th 1955 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 25 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    5 1 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 2 1 2180
    3 2 Hernando's Hideaway - The Johnston Brothers (A) 1 4 2084
    1 3 The Man From Laramie - Jimmy Young 3 2 2068
    2 4 Blue Star - Cyril Stapleton 4 5 1852
    4 5 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Mitch Miller 9 3 1656
    7 6 Hey There - Johnnie Ray (A) 5 8 1636
    6 7 Hey There - Rosemary Clooney 7 6 1620
    11 8 I'll Come When You Call - Ruby Murray 6 11 1420
    17 9 Let's Have A Ding Dong - Winifred Atwell 10 7 1388
    8 10 Rose Marie - Slim Whitman 14 9 1044
    10 11 Everywhere - David Whitfield 8 17 988
    15 12 Song Of The Dreamer - Johnnie Ray 11 600
    RE 13 Bring Your Smile Along - Frankie Laine 10 572
    9 14 Cool Water - Frankie Laine 12 540
    14 15 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Gary Miller 13 480
    13 16 Hernando's Hideaway - Johnnie Ray (B) 12 468
    20 17 Love Is A Many Splendored Thing - The Four Aces 13 416
    12 18 The Breeze And I - Caterina Valente 20 15 372
    NEW 19 Ain't That A Shame - Pat Boone 14 364
    RE 20 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Ronnie Hilton 15 360
    RE 21 Humming Bird - Frankie Laine 16 300
    NEW 22 Meet Me On The Corner - Max Bygraves 16 260
    NEW 23 Twenty Tiny Fingers - The Stargazers 17 240
    22 24 Love Me Or Leave Me - Sammy Davis Jnr. 18 180
    19 24 Cloudburst - Don Lang 18 180
    21 Close The Door - The Stargazers
    18 Indian Love Call - Slim Whitman
    24 Go On By - Alma Cogan
    23 Love Is A Many Splendored Thing - Nat King Cole
    25 The Dam Busters March - Billy Cotton
    16 Hey There - The Johnston Brothers (B)

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Sammy Davis Jnr "Love Me or Leave Me" is a re-entry on the 5/11 chart. Also with regards to the last week position on the 29/10 chart , Alma Cogan "Go On By" was at 25 on the 22/10 (She was at 22 on the 15/10) chart.
    I have amended Sammy and Alma brain. Well spotted.

    It's an obvious error. Don't know how I missed it

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  • braindeadpj
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    Sammy Davis Jnr "Love Me or Leave Me" is a re-entry on the 5/11 chart. Also with regards to the last week position on the 29/10 chart , Alma Cogan "Go On By" was at 25 on the 22/10 (She was at 22 on the 15/10) chart.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 5th 1955

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 5th 1955 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 25 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 The Man From Laramie - Jimmy Young 1 1 2240
    3 2 Blue Star - Cyril Stapleton 3 3 2016
    4 3 Hernando's Hideaway - The Johnston Brothers (A) 2 5 1972
    2 4 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Mitch Miller 5 2 1948
    5 5 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and The Comets 4 4 1904
    8 6 Hey There - Rosemary Clooney 8 6 1560
    9 7 Hey There - Johnnie Ray (A) 6 9 1524
    6 8 Rose Marie - Slim Whitman 9 7 1448
    7 9 Cool Water - Frankie Laine 11 8 1276
    10 10 Everywhere - David Whitfield 7 14 1204
    13 11 I'll Come When You Call - Ruby Murray 10 12 1128
    12 12 The Breeze And I - Caterina Valente 13 10 1052
    11 13 Hernando's Hideaway - Johnnie Ray 14 13 836
    19 14 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Gary Miller 15 17 568
    21 15 Song Of The Dreamer - Johnnie Ray 12 540
    18 16 Hey There - The Johnston Brothers 11 520
    NEW 17 Let's Have A Ding Dong - Winifred Atwell 18 18 336
    16 18 Indian Love Call - Slim Whitman 15 312
    NEW 19 Cloudburst - Don Lang 16 300
    NEW 20 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 16 260
    15 21 Close The Door - The Stargazers 17 240
    RE 22 Love Me Or Leave Me - Sammy Davis Jnr. 19 120
    NEW 23 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - Nat King Cole 19 104
    17 24 Go On By - Alma Cogan 20 60
    NEW 25 The Dam Busters March - Billy Cotton 20 52
    14 Learnin' The Blues - Frank Sinatra
    20 Bring Your Smile Along - Frankie Laine
    24 I'll Never Stop Loving You - Doris Day
    22 Humming Bird - Frankie Laine
    22 That Old Black Magic - Sammy Davis Jnr.
    25 Blue Star - Ron Goodwin
    25 The Man From Laramie - Al Martino
    27 Hey There - Sammy Davis Jnr.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Those old (shellac?) records certainly could be very brittle...
    How true, I was never supposed to touch my dad's record collection because he always said they were easily broken. However being the single minded kid that I was I often played them when he wasn't around.

    I can remember (painfully) the end result when I managed to break a few and he discovered. Ouch !

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  • Graham76man
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    There is no such act as that. It was the Central Band Of The Royal Air Force.

  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Jimmy Young was certainly a massively successful singer prior to becoming a DJ at first Radio Luxembourg (who seemed to employ chart stars in the 1950s as much as professional DJs) then at the BBC on the Light Programme then Radio 1 then his long running show on Radio 2. I have to admit I only know 'Unchained Melody' by him. 'The Man From Laramie' doesn't ring any bells at all.

    It must have caused some confusion for record buyers that the two singers who covered 'The Yellow Rose Of Texas' both had the surname Miller. I'm sure my mother owned the record on 10" but I can't remember which Miller it was by. She certainly owned 'Rock Around The Clock' on 10" as I remember dropping it as a child and it breaking! Those old (shellac?) records certainly could be very brittle...
    The Man From Laramie is a film released in August 1955 with James Stewart in the title role. The title song was written by lyricist Ned Washington and composed by Lester Lee.
    In the film it was sung by a chorus.

    The old 78's were made from Shellac a resin secreted by the female lac bug on trees in the forests of India and Thailand. It is still collected for the production of varnish for old furniture and nail polish.

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  • Robbie
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    Jimmy Young was certainly a massively successful singer prior to becoming a DJ at first Radio Luxembourg (who seemed to employ chart stars in the 1950s as much as professional DJs) then at the BBC on the Light Programme then Radio 1 then his long running show on Radio 2. I have to admit I only know 'Unchained Melody' by him. 'The Man From Laramie' doesn't ring any bells at all.

    It must have caused some confusion for record buyers that the two singers who covered 'The Yellow Rose Of Texas' both had the surname Miller. I'm sure my mother owned the record on 10" but I can't remember which Miller it was by. She certainly owned 'Rock Around The Clock' on 10" as I remember dropping it as a child and it breaking! Those old (shellac?) records certainly could be very brittle...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 29th 1955

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 29th 1955 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 27 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 The Man From Laramie - Jimmy Young 1 1 2240
    2 2 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Mitch Miller 2 2 2128
    3 3 Blue Star - Cyril Stapleton 2 4 2024
    8 4 Hernando's Hideaway - The Johnston Brothers (A) 4 5 1852
    6 5 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 7 3 1776
    4 6 Rose Marie - Slim Whitman 5 6 1740
    5 7 Cool Water - Frankie Laine 6 9 1524
    10 8 Hey There - Rosemary Clooney 8 8 1456
    11 9 Hey There - Johnny Ray (A) 10 7 1388
    7 10 Everywhere - David Whitfield 9 10 1292
    12 11 Hernando's Hideaway - Johnny Ray (B) 11 11 1120
    9 12 The Breeze And I - Caterina Valente 12 12 1008
    14 13 I'll Come When You Call - Ruby Murray 13 13 896
    13 14 Learnin' The Blues - Frank Sinatra 15 14 724
    15 15 Close The Door - The Stargazers 14 420
    16 16 Indian Love Call - Slim Whitman 15 312
    25 17 Go On By - Alma Cogan 16 300
    22 18 Hey There - The Johnston Brothers (B) 16 260
    23 19 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Gary Miller 17 240
    NEW 20 Bring Your Smile Along - Frankie Laine 17 208
    NEW 21 Song Of The Dreamer - Johnnie Ray 18 180
    18 22 Humming Bird - Frankie Laine 18 156
    NEW 22 That Old Black Magic - Sammy Davis Jnr. 18 156
    19 24 I'll Never Stop Loving You - Doris Day 19 120
    NEW 25 Blue Star - Ron Goodwin 20 60
    NEW 25 The Man From Laramie - Al Martino 20 60
    20 27 Hey There - Sammy Davis Jnr. 20 52
    17 Evermore - Ruby Murray
    21 The Dam Busters March - The Band Of The R.A.F.
    24 Love Me Or Leave Me - Sammy Davis Jnr.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Note that Band of the R.A.F. is a re-entry (on the 22/10/1955 chart) as there were at 24 on the 8/10/1955 chart.
    I have amended that. Thanks brain.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Note that Band of the R.A.F. is a re-entry (on the 22/10/1955 chart) as there were at 24 on the 8/10/1955 chart.

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  • Graham76man
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    Some title errors one of which is very confusing
    Central Band Of The Royal Air Force for number 21. - Took ages to find that!!!
    Sammy Davis - ONLY for 20, but 24 is Jnr!

    Everywhere - David Whitfield - is spelled Ev'rywhere
    Hummingbird - Frankie Laine - the title in the UK is all one word. Other countries it can be two.

    I checked the records for the 22 October chart. The following chart places were NOT on 45.
    2, 5, 9, 10, 11, 14, 18, 19, 21, 23 and 25.
    Number 3 had the lowest amount of owns for both formats - 14 in total. Number 6 had the most on both formats.


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  • Robbie
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    Good idea to note double sided singles. The early charts contain many songs which I recognise by name only (from seeing them listed in the Top 20 book and Hit Singles) so it's good to see why acts were having two hits at the same time.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
    Excellent decision Brian !! Thanks for being open to us presenting various thoughts and eye deers.

    Now for another: for those records that are split at two different positions, how about adding an indication of some kind to the right of the artist name? Maybe the side that debuts first (if they debuted at different weeks), or the side that debuts at the highest position gets the A, and the flip gets the B? Or you could look up which side was the actual A side. Something like that. With a quick glance, we would know to look for the other sides on the chart.

    Groovy movie...
    Good news ! I have taken both yours, Robin and Splodj's suggestion for identification on board and retrospectively added A and B to split sides that will appear on the chart to identify each. Good suggestion !

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  • Splodj
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    Or a simple '(split)'.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Excellent decision Brian !! Thanks for being open to us presenting various thoughts and eye deers.

    Now for another: for those records that are split at two different positions, how about adding an indication of some kind to the right of the artist name? Maybe the side that debuts first (if they debuted at different weeks), or the side that debuts at the highest position gets the A, and the flip gets the B? Or you could look up which side was the actual A side. Something like that. With a quick glance, we would know to look for the other sides on the chart.

    Groovy movie...

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    Therefore I hesitated to take part in the debate because I didnt want to make the discussion more difficult.
    I felt like that too. Funnily enough in the Early Record Mirror thread at post 165 I naively say that the songs at 7& 18 are two sides of the same record. It is explained to me that this is how charts operated then.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 22nd 1955

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 22nd 1955 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 25 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 The Man From Laramie - Jimmy Young 1 1 2240
    5 2 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Mitch Miller 3 2 2068
    4 3 Blue Star - Cyril Stapleton 2 4 2024
    3 4 Rose Marie - Slim Whitman 5 3 1896
    2 5 Cool Water - Frankie Laine 6 6 1680
    12 6 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 8 5 1612
    6 7 Everywhere - David Whitfield 4 10 1592
    10 8 Hernando's Hideaway - The Johnston Brothers (A) 10 7 1388
    8 9 The Breeze And I - Caterina Valente 7 11 1360
    9 10 Hey There - Rosemary Clooney 10 8 1336
    16 11 Hey There - Johnnie Ray (A) 9 12 1188
    10 12 Hernando's Hideaway - Johnnie Ray (B) 12 9 1164
    7 13 Learnin' The Blues - Frank Sinatra 13 15 792
    20 14 I'll Come When You Call - Ruby Murray 15 14 724
    13 15 Close The Door - The Stargazers 14 19 524
    14 16 Indian Love Call - Slim Whitman 13 416
    19 17 Evermore - Ruby Murray 16 300
    18 18 Humming Bird - Frankie Laine 16 260
    NEW 19 I'll Never Stop Loving You - Doris Day 17 240
    21 20 Hey There - Sammy Davis Jnr. 17 208
    RE 21 The Dam Busters March - The Band Of The R.A.F. 18 180
    NEW 22 Hey There - The Johnston Brothers (B) 18 156
    NEW 23 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Gary Miller 19 120
    17 24 Love Me Or Leave Me - Sammy Davis Jnr. 19 104
    22 25 Go On By - Alma Cogan 20 60
    15 Every Day Of My Life - Malcolm Vaughan
    22 Hey There - Lita Roza
    24 Love Me Or Leave Me - Doris Day
    24 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Ronnie Hilton

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    Guess you’ve made the right decision Brian. It’s according to what I’ve meant for decades, but earlier discussions lead me to believe I was in minority. Therefore I hesitated to take part in the debate because I didn’t want to make the discussion more difficult.
    Your valid and relevant opinions are always welcomed kjell. They have always proved invaluable in the past and I'm glad you too approve of the amended chart.

    For you and everyone else here is today's new chart

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  • kjell
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    Guess you’ve made the right decision Brian. It’s according to what I’ve meant for decades, but earlier discussions lead me to believe I was in minority. Therefore I hesitated to take part in the debate because I didn’t want to make the discussion more difficult.

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 15th 1955 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 25 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 The Man From Laramie - Jimmy Young 1 1 2240
    3 2 Cool Water - Frankie Laine 2 2 2128
    2 3 Rose Marie - Slim Whitman 4 3 1956
    6 4 Blue Star - Cyril Stapleton 3 5 1912
    8 5 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Mitch Miller 5 4 1844
    5 6 Everywhere - David Whitfield 6 6 1680
    4 7 Learnin' The Blues - Frank Sinatra 7 8 1516
    7 8 The Breeze And I - Caterina Valente 8 9 1404
    14 9 Hey There - Rosemary Clooney 10 7 1388
    12 10 Hernando's Hideaway- The Johnston Brothers (A) 11 10 1172
    19 10 Hernando's Hideaway - Johnnie Ray (B) 11 10 1172
    NEW 12 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 13 12 948
    10 13 Close The Door - The Stargazers 9 18 876
    9 14 Indian Love Call - Slim Whitman 14 13 836
    11 15 Every Day Of My Life - Malcolm Vaughan 15 15 672
    21 16 Hey There - Johnnie Ray (A) 16 14 664
    13 17 Love Me Or Leave Me - Sammy Davis Jnr. 17 17 448
    17 18 Humming Bird - Frankie Laine 16 260
    16 19 Evermore - Ruby Murray 18 180
    NEW 20 I'll Come When You Call - Ruby Murray 19 120
    22 21 Hey There - Sammy Davis Jnr. 19 104
    NEW 22 Go On By - Alma Cogan 20 60
    20 22 Hey There - Lita Roza 20 60
    NEW 24 Love Me Or Leave Me - Doris Day 20 52
    NEW 24 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Ronnie Hilton 20 52
    15 Strange Lady In Town - Frankie Laine
    18 John And Julie - Eddie Calvert
    23 Stars Shine In Your Eyes - Ronnie Hilton
    24 The Dam Busters March - The Band Of The R.A.F.

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