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  • MrTibbs
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    Agree here too. There were parts of each record that were really funny but other sections make me go, what was that all about.

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  • Splodj
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    Yes the way that 'publicity stunt' line is delivered infers the original lyric was something ruder rhyming with 'front'!

    Spike justified the release date by saying it was for his mum who lived in Australia where it was the middle of winter, which is itself absurd on many levels.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I think some is changing acceptability. SOme of their characters are absolutely not correct today (Same with Little Britain and others) but we all know an Eccles. I’ve worked with some…. And we all know a Ned Seagoon…. And I think that is what makes it work. The war was still fresh and Spike was dealing with that and being ex service men writing for ex servicemen the jokes where ones they knew. And also horribly rude if you know the story behind it…

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  • Splodj
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    Agree with that assessment of The Goons. You can hear though that the audience at the time thought all of it was funny! In fact the show often starts with the audience laughing, presumably at something visual. Most of my knowledge of the songs in this era comes from the two musical items in each of their shows.

    Must be the only Christmas record to have been released in summer.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Ooh and the Goons appear as if by magic maybe not magic but they still appear. Some of that was sheer brilliance. Some (to me listening in the 1990’s for the first time) was odd and strange and not funny at all…

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 30th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 30th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
    2 2 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 2 2 3 4145
    3 3 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 3 6 2 4060
    6 4 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 5 3 4 3870
    5 5 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 4 5 6 3775
    4 6 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 4 5 3725
    7 7 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 9 7 7 3350
    8 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 13 9 3240
    14 9 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 8 10 13 2995
    10 10 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 10 8 12 2965
    9 11 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 12 12 11 2815
    NEW 12 All Star Hit Parade - Various Artists 16 15 8 2675
    12 13 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 14 16 15 2365
    NEW 14 The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 18 9 18 2065
    15 15 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B) 19 10 2040
    11 16 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 17 14 19 1970
    NEW 17 The Wayward Wind - Gogi Grant 20 20 17 1775
    19 18 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 10 11 1765
    NEW 19 Why Do Fools Fall In Love - The Teenagers 22 15 1545
    NEW 20 Portuguese Washerwoman - Joe 'Fingers' Carr 25 19 1110
    13 21 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 15 1040
    20 22 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 24 17 735
    NEW 23 Whatever Will Be Will Be - Doris Day 20 715
    16 24 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 23 520
    17 25 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 28 19 435
    27 26 Serenade - Slim Whitman 25 390
    18 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 30 18 325
    21 28 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 27 260
    NEW 29 Who Are We - Ronnie Hilton 29 130
    NEW 30 I'm Walking Backwards For Christmas - The Goons 30 65
    Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 13 13 2250
    22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell
    23 Only You - The Hilltoppers
    24 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong
    25 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton
    26 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers
    28 Rich Man Poor Man - Jimmy Young
    29 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes
    30 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King

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  • Splodj
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    After EMI refused to release 'Unchained Melody' The Goons moved to Decca in protest, although subsequently Martin did produce again with Milligan and Sellers.

    The issue was further complicated by Secombe having a contract with Philips which meant he could only contribute speaking parts on Goons records. A pity because he would have been perfect for the Ying Tong Song tenor.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah Splodj was right there Robbie, apparently George Martin did produce The Goons Unchained Melody according to Discogs.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    So The Goons version of 'Unchained Melody' must have been one of his first jobs in this role. Although it is usually omitted from his production credits, presumably because EMI refused to release it at the time. Apparently it was his 'working with the Goons' stories that most impressed The Beatles about him at their first meeting!
    George Martin produced singles by Peter Sellers, who had a solo record deal with Parlophone but as The Goons were on Decca I wouldn't have thought he would be their producer?

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The producer was none other than George Martin who had taken over as head of Parlophone the previous year.
    So The Goons version of 'Unchained Melody' must have been one of his first jobs in this role. Although it is usually omitted from his production credits, presumably because EMI refused to release it at the time. Apparently it was his 'working with the Goons' stories that most impressed The Beatles about him at their first meeting!

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  • kingofskiffle
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    And thats one reason why I think record companies started to limit recordings. It wasn’t like the dance band era it’s different versions having an uplift to sales. As chart placing became more important they wanted and needed to maximise this.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah it would have been good to see Lonnie nudge Pat Boone aside but this was to be Pat's biggest UK hit much loved apparently on Two Way Family Favourites on the radio every Sunday. If it hadn't been for MM's lower chart placing Lonnie would have held on to #2.
    Yeah it wasn't George Martin's finest hour but then I suspect he will go on to greater things

    Blue Suede Shoes was a cracking toon by any standards and would no doubt been a bigger hit had both Elvis and Carl not cancelled each other out both peaking a couple of places apart.

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  • Robbie
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    Quite an interesting entry at number 19 by Johnny Dankworth. The producer was none other than George Martin who had taken over as head of Parlophone the previous year.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Ah, and he falls. Shame. So close to a number 1 in a way. It isn’t the best of songs….

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 23rd 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 23rd 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 1 1 1 4350
    4 2 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 2 3 4 4065
    2 3 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 3 6 2 4060
    6 4 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 4 3 3845
    3 5 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 5 2 5 3830
    7 6 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 4 5 6 3775
    5 7 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 8 7 7 3415
    8 8 My September Love - David Whitfield 8 9 8 3315
    13 9 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 7 15 9 3200
    9 10 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 10 8 10 3085
    11 11 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 12 10 15 2615
    21 12 Hot Diggity - Michael Holliday (A) 15 13 11 2600
    10 13 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 14 11 13 2585
    15 14 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 11 12 2440
    18 15 Gal With The Yaller Shoes - Michael Holliday (B) 13 19 17 2250
    17 16 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 17 19 1630
    16 17 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 27 16 1160
    20 18 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 18 17 1125
    NEW 19 Experiments With Mice - Johnny Dankworth 29 17 970
    12 20 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 22 14 925
    14 21 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 18 845
    22 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
    19 23 Only You - The Hilltoppers 26 12 705
    24 24 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 21 650
    23 25 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 23 520
    28 26 Hot Diggity - The Stargazers 28 17 475
    NEW 27 Serenade - Slim Whitman 24 455
    NEW 28 Rich Man Poor Man - Jimmy Young 25 390
    25 29 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 30 16 365
    27 30 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 20 220
    The Wayward Wind - Tex Ritter 30 65
    Songs For Swingin' Lovers (LP) - Frank Sinatra 16 13 2055
    Carousel Soundtrack (LP) 19 720
    26 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan
    29 Carousel Waltz - Ray Martin
    30 Take It Satch (EP) - Louis Armstrong

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  • MrTibbs
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    Sorted, probably because both were listed in close proximity to each other.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    I could never understand the popularity of this disc.
    45 Cat answers that question:

    "LORD'S TAVERNERS RECORD
    The entire profits from this record, together with fees and royalties from artists, publishers, etc., are being donated to The National Playing Fields Association."
    It was the first ever Charity record to chart!

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  • braindeadpj
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    Hello Mr. Tibbs, you have two 28's and no 27 for the NME chart in the 16th June chart. According to the Complete UK Charts thread (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...k-charts/page2), the Carousel soundtrack was at 27 and the Carousel Waltz was at 28.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    There is an EP coming up called 'All Star Hit Parade' which was really an EEP as it had 6 tracks!
    It was an EP yet it wasn't an EP as such. Although various artists sang a part each of a different popular song of the time each track just ran consecutively. Given that the original versions of each of thee songs had just been a hit for the original artists I could never understand the popularity of this disc.

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  • Splodj
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    Interesting that there were 3 different reactions to the growth in sales of LPs at this time:

    NME - we'll include them in our general chart
    RM - we'll create a separate chart
    MM - we'll exclude them from our general chart

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I think it is rather because of these two that they started the Albums chart - or rather because these and others where showing up in returns they would have had a talk internally about the chart and what they where charting. Remember, NME was 'The Hit Parade' not "Singles Chart", and neither was RM - they called it 'Britain's Top Ten', with no specific mention that it was singles. Even MM called it 'Top Discs', which could imply both singles and albums.

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    RM will also chart those two albums in their singles chart in the next few weeks.
    It looks like RM stopped including albums in the 'general / singles' chart when they started their LP chart. Although it is possible that "Songs for Swingin' Lovers", having fallen from 11 to 13, would have exited the singles chart anyway.

    There is an EP coming up called 'All Star Hit Parade' which was really an EEP as it had 6 tracks!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    So the NME chart has one EP and two LPs in their chart.
    Is that the first occasion these were allowed in the SINGLES chart?
    Did the NME can any explanation why they were included?
    NME will continue to chart albums in the singles chart until the late sixties Brian.
    RM will also chart those two albums in their singles chart in the next few weeks.
    MM stayed true to singles and did not chart the albums.

    NME, RM (till it's demise in 1962), MM, and Disc all charted EP's in their singles chart again well into the sixties. Only RR resisted this until the end of 1967 when they too charted The Beatles' 'Magical Mystery Tour' EP in their singles chart.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I don’t believe they did. And yes I think it is.

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  • brian05
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    So the NME chart has one EP and two LPs in their chart.
    Is that the first occasion these were allowed in the SINGLES chart?
    Did the NME can any explanation why they were included?

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