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  • kjell
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    There’s one way to completely avoid doing faults, and that is to do nothing at all. Heaven forbid that.

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  • kjell
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    Brian, you’re doing exactly what is sensible. And I appreciate that the few minor faults are quickly corrected. Even the pope has turned out to do faults, and god hasn’t been seen for 2000 years.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    On the May 26th chart Perry Como Juke box jury is a re-entry. Also the last week positions for 'The Happy Whistler' and 'You Can't Be True To Two' are switched and also 'Mountain Greenery' and 'No Other Love'
    Those are sorted above guys. I'm concerned that a few minor errors are creeping in here just a couple of days apart. As I mentioned in an earlier post a few days ago these Fifties charts are much more difficult to work with and much more time consuming due to checking A and B sides that both chart, split sides on one chart but not another, etc etc.

    In my attempt to work ahead compiling these under pressure for daily posts perhaps this pace is obviously compromising sufficiently robust checks which previous years with less variance allowed and therefore a few more errors are slipping through the net. I have said all along this is a very important project for me, I'm a perfectionist and I want to get this project spot on and completely error free in order to deliver the best composite chart around anywhere.

    So to allow myself more time for compiling and checking these more complicated charts and reduce the pressure on daily delivery I intend for the time being to post a chart every other day as opposed to daily. I hope this is acceptable to you guys also. I don't want the embarrassment of guys picking up on careless errors every couple of days. It reflects badly on the project.

    As a side issue I get a lot of enquiries as to why I don't include the other less known minor charts into the project. My answer is simple and for two reasons. Firstly, this project is about revisiting, correcting, and improving the BBC charts so has to stay true to the charts they used.
    Secondly, all the other minor charts had a shorter shelf life of a few years at best so no real consistency, also, although the major charts had obvious differences between them, especially RR as we all discuss at length, they do have a consistency in the higher positions. The minor charts, like Top Pops, Music Echo etc, had enormous differences between them and the majors at times including off the wall number one's, Music Echo had some really weird ones. They whilst respected in their own right would bring nothing of value to The Ultimate Averaged Chart. All these different charts dropping by for just a couple of years then dropping out would just disrupt consistency. That's just my thoughts of course you will also have your own opinions on this which I of course respect as always.

    Brian

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  • braindeadpj
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    On the May 26th chart Perry Como Juke box jury is a re-entry. Also the last week positions for 'The Happy Whistler' and 'You Can't Be True To Two' are switched and also 'Mountain Greenery' and 'No Other Love'

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  • brian05
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    'Heartbreak Hotel' climbs into the top 10 while 'Blue Suede Shoes' enters at 21. The latter was possibly rush released to compete with the Carl Perkins version.
    40 years of NME charts says,

    "HMV rush Elvis' cover version of Blue Suede Shoes on to the UK market as soon as Heartbreak Hotel made the chart. The song was marketed as an EP in the US. But in the UK, the usurping of an original with a stronger cover version was still the major ploy in the A&R man's book - even when, as here, both versions were American."

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  • MrTibbs
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    While 'Lost John' is poised to enter the top three Lonnie's 'Rock Island Line' is still hanging around in the Top 20. Elvis the other 'new kid on the block' is also making big strides up the Top 10.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 2nd 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 2nd 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
    2 2 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 4 2 2 4075
    3 3 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 3 3 3 4060
    7 4 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 2 4 4 4045
    10 5 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 5 8 5 3710
    5 6 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 6 5 3620
    4 7 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 6 7 7 3545
    6 8 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 8 5 10 3275
    8 9 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 9 11 8 3210
    9 10 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 12 9 9 2995
    24 11 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 10 12 11 2945
    11 12 Only You - The Hilltoppers 11 13 12 2800
    18 13 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 14 17 13 2465
    16 14 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 13 15 15 2450
    13 15 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 15 18 14 2320
    15 16 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 17 14 16 2150
    14 17 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 16 19 17 2055
    12 18 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 21 9 19 1810
    21 19 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 19 20 18 1780
    17 20 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 22 16 19 1605
    22 21 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 18 845
    23 22 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
    19 23 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and The Comets 23 520
    NEW 24 Delilah Jones - The McGuire Sisters 24 455
    29 25 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 25 390
    NEW 26 Moonglow And Theme From Picnic - Morris Stoloff 26 325
    27 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 27 260
    NEW 28 The Happy Whistler - Cyril Stapleton 28 195
    RE 29 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 29 130
    28 30 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 30 65
    20 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin
    25 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray
    26 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson
    30 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King

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  • Graham76man
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    Here's something interesting, I was looking up the release date for the other Elvis Track on 45 Worlds and they have it for June. Which is clearly wrong! But I wanted to see if the papers had a date for it. But the only one I could find that is on the US site, was Melody Maker for June of 1956. And guess what under the chart for June they had a list of stores. So I captured the image and found they were using (if I counted them right) 31 stores! As you can see the text is a bit smudge, so hard to read. But it does reveal the stores and one of them is Brian Epstein's NEMES store in Liverpool. Which is also found later in Record Mirror's list proving that the same stores could have taken part in the surveys of different papers. Alan Smith said they didn't. But clearly they did!

    2021-10-11 15_48_19-Melody-Maker-1956-06.pdf - Adobe Reader.jpg

    Other issues in June have 30 and 33 shops used.

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  • Robbie
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    'Heartbreak Hotel' climbs into the top 10 while 'Blue Suede Shoes' enters at 21. The latter was possibly rush released to compete with the Carl Perkins version. If not it seems like a strange release policy to have two singles by the same act (and a new act at that) competing for sales. 'Heartbreak Hotel' appears to have taken a few weeks from release to chart so perhaps His Master's Voice were already set to release 'Blue Suede Shoes' and went ahead regardless.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 26th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 26th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
    3 2 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 2 2 2 4205
    6 3 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 4 3 3 3995
    2 4 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 3 6 5 3880
    4 5 My September Love - David Whitfield 5 4 4 3850
    5 6 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 6 5 7 3585
    9 7 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan 7 7 6 3540
    12 8 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 9 14 8 3150
    8 9 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 10 10 9 3105
    14 10 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 8 13 11 3055
    10 11 Only You - The Hilltoppers 11 9 10 3000
    7 12 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 13 8 12 2770
    11 13 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 12 11 13 2715
    22 14 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 14 20 15 2285
    13 15 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 17 15 14 2250
    NEW 16 Hot Diggity - Perry Como 15 19 19 2000
    23 17 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 21 12 16 1930
    15 18 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 19 17 1620
    16 19 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 22 17 19 1585
    26 20 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 25 16 18 1470
    NEW 21 Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley 16 18 1235
    21 22 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 17 910
    18 23 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 20 715
    NEW 24 The Saints Rock'n'Roll - Bill Haley and His Comets 23 520
    27 25 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 24 455
    25 26 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 26 325
    NEW 27 Out Of Town - Max Bygraves 27 260
    NEW 28 Ivory Tower - The Three Kayes 28 195
    RE 29 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 29 130
    24 30 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 30 65
    17 Willie Can - Alma Cogan
    28 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman
    20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge
    19 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio
    29 Zambesi - Lou Busch
    30 Robin Hood / Davy Crockett - Dick James

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins

    Another great Rock track. Wonder how Elvis will get on with his "cover" version?
    The battle between both versions begins next week brian

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  • brian05
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    NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins

    Another great Rock track. Wonder how Elvis will get on with his "cover" version?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 19th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 19th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
    2 2 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 2 2 2 4205
    4 3 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 4 4 3 3975
    6 4 My September Love - David Whitfield 3 5 5 3900
    5 5 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 5 2 6 3770
    8 6 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 7 6 4 3680
    3 7 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 6 7 10 3365
    10 8 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 9 9 7 3310
    9 9 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 10 10 9 3105
    7 10 Only You - The Hilltoppers 12 8 8 3075
    11 11 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 11 11 11 2900
    24 12 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 8 12 2635
    13 13 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 13 12 13 2630
    21 14 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 14 18 17 2205
    29 15 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 17 17 15 2150
    14 16 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 16 13 18 2115
    18 17 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 22 15 19 1625
    NEW 18 Port-Au-Prince - Winifred Atwell 19 20 1440
    17 19 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio 25 14 1410
    20 20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 24 16 1355
    19 21 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 15 18 1300
    NEW 22 Blue Suede Shoes - Carl Perkins 18 18 1105
    15 23 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 20 18 975
    12 24 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 22 14 925
    25 25 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 21 650
    16 26 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 27 18 520
    23 27 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 26 325
    30 28 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 15 320
    22 29 Zambesi - Lou Busch 28 195
    NEW 30 Robin Hood / Davy Crockett - Dick James 29 130
    26 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 30 65
    27 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby
    28 Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B)

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  • MrTibbs
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    I had actually noticed all of the above on checking after completion and amended them all on the original spreadsheet. Then after amending to the required changes forget to save the changes so the original errors got posted here.

    I have now amended all these errors here in the above charts and on my masters and have remembered to save them this time. Well spotted brain and thanks, I like complete accuracy.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Also in the May 5th chart 15 and 16 are numbered correctly but are in the wrong order. Consequently the previous week numbers in the May 12th chart are the wrong way round. In addition, in the May 12th chart you have two number 17s, though it looks like Dean Martin should be 16.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Sorry for the delay, but I noticed a few errors so far:
    In the April 21st chart, either the previous weeks positions for Lonnie Donegan and Don Cherry are switched, or since the same error is apparent in the April 28th chart, the artists/titles have been switched. Can you please clarify which error it is? The Complete UK Charts thread (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...k-charts/page2) shows the NME positions as correct suggesting its the previous weeks that are wrong in both the 21st and 4th May charts.

    In the April 28th chart, Bing Crosby is a re-entry as he was at 24 in the 14/4/1956.

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  • Robbie
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    I've just noticed that Elvis Presley makes his chart debut with one of the best debut releases (or at least debut hits) in the history of the singles chart. According to wikipedia every executive at RCA who heard the recording of 'Heartbreak Hotel' (which was recorded in a hallway at the RCA studios in Nashville to get the desired echo effect) thought the song was a mess, that it was a terrible choice of single and that it shouldn't be released. Presley stood his ground, producer Stephen Sholes backed Presley (despite also having reservations about the song but he was impressed by Presley's belief in the song) and the rest is history.

    edit: just noticed brian05's post

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  • brian05
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    NEW 21 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley

    The King has arrived - at last. Things will never be the same again.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Like you Robbie I can remember quite a few of the records from this era too as my parents also bought records from the chart at this time so through the years I became familiar with quite a few.

    Like Lonnie, here, my father was a huge Lonnie Donegan fan buying his singles, EP's, and albums from that time. I can also remember Kay Starr's Rock And Roll Waltz was a great favourite of theirs and can actually remember seeing them dance to it.

    All their collection went too years later believing nobody wanted these 'old records'.

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  • Robbie
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    This must have been the era that my mother liked more than any other as she owned a number of records from the above chart and also had some compilation album that has a few others from this era on it too (including the above number 1 by Ronnie Hilton). This is the one I think: https://www.discogs.com/master/12175...l-Chartbusters as the cover looks familiar as is the tracklisting.

    Unbelievable to think that when she moved from a house to a bungalow in 2003 she threw out all her old 78s, 45s and LPs. And I let her! I should have offered to take them as there were some gems amongst the dross...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 12th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 12th 1956 NME MM RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 65 20 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 No Other Love - Ronnie Hilton 1 1 1 4350
    1 2 Poor People Of Paris - Winifred Atwell 2 2 2 4205
    3 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 5 3940
    5 4 A Tear Fell - Teresa Brewer 5 5 3 3890
    4 5 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 6 3 6 3685
    7 6 My September Love - David Whitfield 7 6 4 3680
    6 7 Only You - The Hilltoppers 3 8 8 3660
    11 8 I'll Be Home - Pat Boone 9 7 7 3350
    10 9 Lost John - Lonnie Donegan (A) 8 10 10 3175
    8 10 Theme From 'Man With The Golden Arm' - Billy May 10 9 9 3125
    9 11 Theme From'The Threepenny Opera' - Louis Armstrong 11 13 11 2860
    13 12 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 14 11 12 2645
    16 13 You Can't Be True To Two - Dave King 12 15 14 2575
    12 14 See You Later Alligator - Bill Haley and His Comets 13 14 16 2410
    20 15 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 20 12 13 2175
    14 16 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 17 15 19 1950
    15 17 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - The Dick Hyman Trio 16 18 19 1784
    18 18 Willie Can - Alma Cogan 18 17 1685
    25 19 Mountain Greenery - Mel Torme 22 15 1545
    NEW 20 No Other Love - Edmund Hockridge 27 19 18 1280
    NEW 21 Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley 15 1040
    17 22 Zambesi - Lou Busch 21 17 930
    19 23 Ain't Misbehavin' - Johnnie Ray 19 780
    NEW 24 The Happy Whistler - Don Robertson 23 520
    21 25 The Great Pretender - Jimmy Parkinson 24 455
    23 26 Juke Box Baby - Perry Como 25 390
    RE 27 In A Little Spanish Town - Bing Crosby 26 325
    RE 28 Stewball - Lonnie Donegan (B) 20 220
    NEW 29 Too Young To Go Steady - Nat King Cole 28 195
    29 30 I'm A Fool - Slim Whitman 29 130
    22 Innamorata - Dean Martin 30 65
    24 Nothin' To Do - Michael Holliday
    26 Theme From 'The Threepenny Opera' - Billy Vaughn
    27 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
    28 Willie Can - The Beverly Sisters
    30 Hell Hath No Fury - Frankie Laine

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah u hit the nail on the head Lonnie, I think too it's because it has more of a feel of true stripped back skiffle to it.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    So I spent some time listening to both of the versions. I think I understand the difference between the two and why Brian likes the Vipers version. Lonnie does it fast but does different lyrics. I suspect he cleaned them up as the original is a cheating woman and Lonnie might have been going for the BBC crowd in that “you can’t say this on the BBC…. “ era. Either way I’m fairly sure both where played but they are different stories.

    The Vipers Version sounds a lot more like a song of Skiffle origin in some ways. It’s a couple of guys with not many instruments.

    I’m not sure I don’t like it more either!

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  • Splodj
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    'Lost John' was the first record Lennon bought. He went round chanting the bit at the end, but substituting his own name.

    The follow up reportedly had an unprecedented 20,000 advance orders.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I need to re listen to both tracks Brian so will do so before commenting. Very rarely heard the Vipers version as I prefer to hear a song once and not multiple versions. So when this came on it was usually part of a compilation album so other versions would be skipped.

    For me their was Jazz (1940’s) then Skiffle came out of that and then Rock and Roll came out of Jazz via a different route. Skiffle sort of faded and Rock music and Rock and Roll took over. Skiffle was about making music yourself out of anything. Rock needed more instruments.

    I do feel Lonnie’s contribution in general is underrated. Regardless of what came after (and yes he did go down a more novelty route in the 60’s) he got people to play guitars. Loads have said as much (Lennon, Brian May etc).

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