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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    I kind of see why Cashbox printed a list of titles in the 1940's and combined all versions. Listen to the various versions and they all sound pretty identical .
    I think that is where The Sheet Music Chart still played an important role at this time as it was a better indicator of each songs comparative popularity as opposed to being split into versions.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I kind of see why Cashbox printed a list of titles in the 1940's and combined all versions. Listen to the various versions and they all sound pretty identical (okay some do change it a little) but it's not as if one is, say, Jazz and another is, say, Punk (Yes Punk is the 70's but you get what I mean!). They all sound roughly the same. Is that good? I like the change that's now starting to happen (Lonnie, Elvis, Cliff etc ) of 'writing your own stuff' .

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  • Robbie
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    Very much a reflection of the era with multiple versions of songs and acts with multiple hits. If only unique songs by acts with only one charting hit were allowed on the chart there would barely be a top 10...

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
    23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
    24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin


    21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A)
    ? Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves
    14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford
    9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes


    18 Robin Hood - Dick James
    ? Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B)

    I assume these are cover versions.
    Yeah Brian they are all just different versions of the same song.

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  • brian05
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    11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge
    23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
    24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin


    21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A)
    ? Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves
    14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford
    9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes


    18 Robin Hood - Dick James
    ? Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B)

    I assume these are cover versions.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 25th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 25th 1956 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 24 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 2 2188
    2 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 2 1 2180
    5 3 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 3 3 2016
    4 4 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 4 4 1904
    3 5 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 5 5 1792
    7 6 Only You - The Hilltoppers 6 6 1680
    9 7 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 7 8 1516
    10 8 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 8 7 1508
    6 9 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 9 10 1292
    12 10 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 11 11 1120
    15 11 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 12 12 1008
    13 12 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 15 9 984
    14 13 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 10 16 920
    11 14 Ballad Of Davy Crocket - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 13 836
    8 15 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 13 17 688
    17 16 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and The Comets 19 15 432
    NEW 17 With Your Love - Robert Earl 13 416
    19 18 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300
    18 19 Who's Sorry Now - Johnnie Ray 17 240
    NEW 20 In Old Lisbon - Frank Chacksfield 18 180
    RE 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Gary Miller (A) 18 156
    20 22 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 19 104
    RE 23 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 20 60
    NEW 24 Young And Foolish - Dean Martin 20 52
    21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves
    22 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell
    16 Robin Hood - Gary Miller (B)

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    'Memories Are Made Of This' by Dean Martin has had a very quick climb to the top. Was it featured in a film or just very popular at the time?
    It was just popular at that time, but also later on became used in many TV adverts, especially those involving cameras.

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  • Robbie
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    'Memories Are Made Of This' by Dean Martin has had a very quick climb to the top. Was it featured in a film or just very popular at the time?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 18th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 18th 1956 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 22 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    4 1 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 1 2 2188
    5 2 Zambesi - Lou Busch 3 1 2120
    1 3 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 2 3 2076
    2 4 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 4 5 1852
    13 5 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 6 4 1784
    3 6 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 5 8 1636
    9 7 Only You - The Hilltoppers 8 6 1560
    6 8 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 7 11 1360
    NEW 9 Rock And Roll Waltz - Kay Starr 9 9 1344
    21 10 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 10 10 1232
    10 11 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 14 7 1148
    8 12 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 12 12 1008
    NEW 13 Memories Are Made Of This - Dave King 13 13 896
    16 14 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 11 16 860
    22 15 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 17 14 604
    11 16 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 17 15 552
    7 17 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 15 19 464
    NEW 18 Who's Sorry Now - Johnnie Ray 19 17 328
    17 19 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300
    RE 20 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 18 156
    NEW 21 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Max Bygraves 20 60
    15 22 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 20 52
    12 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces
    14 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton
    18 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan
    19 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani
    20 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine
    23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post

    23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan

    Maybe that's where John Lennon got the inspiration for the beginning of Come Together.

    Here come old flat top
    He come grooving up slowly

    As well as Chuck Berry ?!?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by brian05 View Post
    NEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry

    Is that the same song that Freda Payne released in September 1970

    Here come old flat top
    He come grooving up slowly
    Hi Brian. No its an entirely different song. A fifties style ballad but an excellent one.

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  • brian05
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    NEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry

    Is that the same song that Freda Payne released in September 1970?


    23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan

    Maybe that's where John Lennon got the inspiration for the beginning of Come Together.

    Here come old flat top
    He come grooving up slowly

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  • MrTibbs
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    'Memories Are Made Of This', not just for Dean Martin's very high new entry, but because Don Cherry's 'Band Of Gold' also entering means a lot to me too. An uncle of mine sang this at any family parties so I became familiar with the song and I absolutely love Don Cherry's version. What a voice and What a song

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 11th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 11th 1956 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 23 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 1 1 2240
    3 2 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 2 2 2128
    2 3 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 3 4 1964
    NEW 4 Memories Are Made Of This - Dean Martin 4 3 1956
    15 5 Zambesi - Lou Busch 7 5 1672
    4 6 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 5 10 1532
    6 7 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 9 1524
    7 8 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 9 6 1500
    14 9 Only You - The Hilltoppers 8 8 1456
    5 10 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 10 6 1440
    10 11 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 11 13 1016
    8 12 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 13 14 844
    19 13 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 16 11 820
    NEW 14 Young And Foolish - Ronnie Hilton 17 12 708
    11 15 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 15 16 620
    12 16 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 12 20 592
    18 17 Robin Hood - Dick James 14 420
    23 18 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 18 17 388
    9 19 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani 15 312
    16 20 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine 18 156
    NEW 21 Band Of Gold - Don Cherry 19 120
    NEW 22 Young And Foolish - Edmund Hockridge 19 104
    22 23 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan 20 60
    13 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets
    17 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Eamonn Andrews
    20 Ain't That A Shame - Fats Domino
    21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Jo Stafford

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 4th 1956

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 4th 1956 NME RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 60 52 Points
    Week Week The Top 23 Singles Chart 20 Scored
    1 1 Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford 1 1 2240
    2 2 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes 2 2 2128
    6 3 (Love Is) The Tender Trap - Frank Sinatra 3 3 2016
    4 4 Love And Marriage - Frank Sinatra 4 4 1904
    3 5 Ballad Of Davy Crockett - Tennessee Ernie Ford 5 5 1792
    7 6 Rock A Beatin' Boogie - Bill Haley and His Comets 6 6 1680
    9 7 Rock Island Line - Lonnie Donegan 8 7 1508
    5 8 Love Is A Many Splendoured Thing - The Four Aces 7 9 1464
    10 9 When You Lose The One You Love - David Whitfield and Mantovani 12 8 1216
    12 10 Robin Hood - Gary Miller 10 11 1180
    11 11 Pickin' A Chicken - Eve Boswell 9 14 1084
    18 12 Dreams Can Tell A Lie - Nat King Cole 11 12 1068
    8 13 Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley and His Comets 14 10 992
    13 14 Only You - The Hilltoppers 15 15 672
    17 15 Zambesi - Lou Busch 17 13 656
    14 16 Sixteen Tons - Frankie Laine 13 19 584
    22 17 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Eamonn Andrews 18 17 388
    20 18 Robin Hood - Dick James 16 300
    NEW 19 It's Almost Tomorrow - The Dream Weavers 16 260
    NEW 20 Ain't That A Shame - Fats Domino 18 156
    RE 21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Jo Stafford 19 120
    NEW 22 My Boy Flat Top - Frankie Vaughan 20 60
    23 23 With Your Love - Malcolm Vaughan 20 52
    15 Meet Me On The Corner - Max Bygraves
    16 The Shifting Whispering Sands - Billy Vaughan
    21 Suddenly There's A Valley - Petula Clark
    19 Yellow Rose Of Texas - Stan Freberg

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
    Some of the issues in the early days of TV was a reliably storage/future transmission medium. Plus, the BBC charter (I may be mistaken) was only supposed to have limited repeat programming as it was believed people would not stomach paying the licence fee to see the same stuff again. But that does go back to the old Music Hall/Theatre approach. Silent movies were junked on mass when Sound came along; Black and White TV was junked on mass when Colour came along ('People won't pay for watching a Black and White programme on a Colour TV Licence') until they found home video and the re-sale market....

    Still a shame nevertheless. More of the ITV stations (Putting on the Donegan as an example) where saved due to having to be made on film for transfer around different ITV stations.
    Most people didn't get colour TV till much later in the UK. It wasn't junked on mass! There was also a shortage of TV sets in the 1970's due to a production problem. The licence fee was much higher for a colour set too. Some people also said colour sets gave you eye strain. The first colour set I saw was at a wedding, which was held in a hotel in Sheffield. All the wedding people were watching the TV, even though it was mostly "green".
    They were very expensive, most people rented TV sets as the broke down often, especially the colour ones. They were massive too, an 18 inch screen set had a huge back on it! Many TV engineers had back problems moving them around. Even the cost of rentals of colour were expensive. We couldn't afford one till 1976!
    Nearly all the TV stations used Sony TV's. They were the most expensive of the lot!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Grrrrrr ! Im on my way home from hols. Been enjoying 30 degrees all week and Im told its cold and wet back in Scotland. There's a surprise !!! Not.

    So normal service resumes tomorrow guys with the continuation of the UAC for 1956.

    All together now 'It's Raining It's Pouring' .....

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Some of the issues in the early days of TV was a reliably storage/future transmission medium. Plus, the BBC charter (I may be mistaken) was only supposed to have limited repeat programming as it was believed people would not stomach paying the licence fee to see the same stuff again. But that does go back to the old Music Hall/Theatre approach. Silent movies were junked on mass when Sound came along; Black and White TV was junked on mass when Colour came along ('People won't pay for watching a Black and White programme on a Colour TV Licence') until they found home video and the re-sale market....

    Still a shame nevertheless. More of the ITV stations (Putting on the Donegan as an example) where saved due to having to be made on film for transfer around different ITV stations.

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  • Gambo
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    It is so sad, but true, that nobody had foresight to see any longer-term value in certain programmes that really were trailblazers and significant indicators of the culture of the period. Anything 'youth' or 'pop'-orientated, along with various lightweight comedy programmes, were doubtless dismissed even as they were being made by the stuffy old farts of the Beeb still exerting senior influence at that time.

    Basically, your last hopes are some obscure person's yet-to-be-unearthed private archive that's somehow lain untouched for 50+ years, or possibly good old Bob Monkhouse's private video collection! Though I suspect by now all the obvious gems from that incredibly thorough archive will've been clocked and shown, or at least incorporated into official archives for posterity.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    I honestly believe the BBC saw their chart as a fun chart and not to be taken too seriously. Each week was here today and gone tomorrow and never intended to be retrospectively examined.
    That's very true indeed. And since the BBC has no interest at all in these charts I think it proves your point.
    The same attitude was adopted to the performances of Top of The Pops, with nearly all the 60's shows wiped. The reason being nobody would be interested in them in years to come, especially Black and White. Of course that was before the presenter scandals. But even if they had kept the shows, the performances could have be extracted from them. In the end cost cutting wiped out loads of performances that are simply not available today.

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  • Splodj
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    I think all the charts were compiled on an ephemeral basis. They were expected to recover their costs in the week of publication, and I doubt much consideration was given to how they would be viewed in the future.

    The charts that stand up most robustly to retrospective examination, RM and then MM, are now the least visible.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
    I'd say the BBC chart, even with its foibles, was still better (less imperfect) than RR. And the BBC chart is probably the closest of all of them to the Brian Ultimate Chart...
    Yeah the formula used to compile the BBC chart forms the first stage of The Ultimate Chart which corrects all the errors etc found in the original BBC chart.

    The principle behind the BBC chart was sound, no doubt about it, as the averaging process ironed out outliers and found the centre ground. It was the compilation that was haphazard. I honestly believe the BBC saw their chart as a fun chart and not to be taken too seriously. Each week was here today and gone tomorrow and never intended to be retrospectively examined.

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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    I'd say the BBC chart, even with its foibles, was still better (less imperfect) than RR. And the BBC chart is probably the closest of all of them to the Brian Ultimate Chart...

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    the 'odd one out ' rule was only brought in at that time to keep up with the music papers and favour The Beatles
    Also enabled 'House of the rising sun' and 'The last time' to reach number one in their second week, when RR had each languishing at number 6.

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  • MrTibbs
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    But, in many respects the BBC's own chart ironically was just as weak as the RR.Chart. It was inconsistent, it was error ridden, and the 'odd one out ' rule was only brought in at that time to keep up with the music papers and favour The Beatles and only applied to #1 singles. Why not also apply this principle to #2 etc also if it was so important a rule to have in place. It was just another 'make it up as you go along' chart as all BBC charts were with ever changing rules.

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