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  • As the charts were points based then as opposed to sales based the points system would work as the same system was used across the board.
    In other words if one shop sold a hundred copies of a single and placed it at #1 in their chart return, and a smaller shop down the road sold 25 copies and placed it at #1 in their chart return the end result was the same as far as a points based system goes. So from March 1956 (where I will be going after 63) till February 69 the points system was more than adequate to indicate best sellers across the shops irregardless of size.

    I think I mentioned earlier but we need to remember that back in the era till mid sixties, charts were just a fun aspect of the music business so the compilation methods were not taken too seriously or examined too closely. I think the BBC chart is the perfect example of this. Haphazardly compiled with little checking on accuracy.
    It was only when the music business discovered they could use the chart and hijacked it for marketing and making more money that it became open to scrutiny, manipulation, and hyping.
    The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

    The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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    • Graham76man
      Graham76man commented
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      What you are saying is fine as long as all the charts you are using agree. But in the situation outlined previous showed they did not agree. Then you have to have agreement on them all positions away from the top spot and that's rare. But say one shop does have a number one on 100 sales, but three shops each selling 25 have a different number, but the same in those three shops. The points system then screws up.
      And the hyping was happening by 1955 when sales took off. Brian Epstein was accused of hyping the first Beatles single for example.
      The problem with the charts after 1969 wasn't haphazard checking. It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.

  • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 29th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 29th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 1 2 1 1 1 1 9820
    4 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 1 1 3 2 4 9540
    1 3 Are You Sure - The Allisons 4 5 4 2 4 3 9080
    7 4 Blue Moon - The Marcels 3 3 3 4 3 7 9010
    5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 5 5 5 2 8750
    13 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 6 6 8 9 7 6 7750
    12 7 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 7 14 7 7 6 9 7350
    3 8 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 8 15 13 6 8 8 6950
    20 9 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 11 9 6 13 11 18 6630
    9 10 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 9 7 14 14 9 10 6540
    18 11 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 10 8 11 10 13 22 6520
    22 12 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 13 10 9 11 16 15 6430
    6 13 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 12 13 17 8 14 11 6260
    11 14 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 15 11 16 17 15 5 5620
    17 15 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 16 12 12 15 18 17 5490
    8 16 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 14 20 19 12 10 14 5250
    NEW 17 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 18= 16 10 19 19 23 4620
    21 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18= 17 15 20 17 21 4290
    10 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 17 21 18 12 13 3720
    14 20 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 20 25 18 16 16 3360
    19 21 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 23 20 20 19 2210
    16 22 Samantha - Kenny Ball 19 20 1290
    15 23 Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 24 12 1130
    27 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 18 30 1070
    NEW 25 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 22 720
    NEW 26 Runaway - Del Shannon 25 480
    29 27 Seventy Six Trombones - The King Brothers 27 320
    NEW 28 Coronation Street - Geoff Love 27 320
    30 29 Marry Me - Mike Preston 24 210
    25 30 Wheels - The String-A-Longs 25 180
    The Muskrat Rumble - Freddy Cannon 29 160
    (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150
    More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 30 29 140
    (Ghost) Riders In The Sky - The Ramrods 27 120
    Who Am I / This Is It - Adam Faith 28 90
    The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

    The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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    • Ha ! Elvis reclaims #1 how many of you saw that coming

      The Marcels and The Temperance Seven close in though. Both still have their eye on claiming the #1 prize.
      And in at #26, a seemingly insignificant entry from Del Shannon will be one of the biggies of the year.
      The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

      The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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      • ' It was more or less down to the charts being run by the Music Industry as they still are. And if you let any body with a vested interest compile statistics then it will show what they want to show. So for example if the police do crime figures they will show higher levels. Since if the figures were lower they would loose funding.'

        Yip that was my point exactly Graham, the charts once reflecting public popularity are now what The Music Industry wants them to be basically a 'puppet' under their control.

        The points system was fine for the time it did reflect to a fair degree of accuracy within its limitations as to what was popular and selling.
        But even when the BMRB sales chart came on board the chart even with sales was no more precise than the points charts had been, plus by that time the Music Industry well and truly had their claws on it.

        It's even worse now with the waters muddied with downloads and streaming, worse even than points and sales, and manipulated more than at any other time. Sad indeed to see what the chart has evolved into.
        Also, strictly speaking it is actually now a 'song' chart not a singles chart.
        The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

        The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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        • Graham how do you make comments on posts like you just did ?
          The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

          The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
            Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 22nd 1961

            The Muskrat Rumble - Johnny Burnette
            It should be by Freddy Cannon, you've got it right on the 29th April.
            Last edited by Woz1234; Mon February 1, 2021, 14:47.

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            • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
              Graham how do you make comments on posts like you just did ?
              I don't think moderator privileges should be used in this way. It looks like posts are being denounced by the Voice of God!

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              • Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post

                It should be by Freddy Cannon, you've got it right on the 29th April.
                I've corrected that name Woz. Thanks.
                The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                • Originally posted by Splodj View Post

                  I don't think moderator privileges should be used in this way. It looks like posts are being denounced by the Voice of God!
                  Is Graham a Moderator though Splodj, he is not listed on the site list of Moderators as one ?
                  The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                  The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                  • kingofskiffle
                    kingofskiffle commented
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                    No he is not a mod - I'm not keen on the comment function myself but I can see how it can add when it is a small point that is required to be added to a specific post.

                • Well there was this post ...
                  https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296

                  It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!

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                  • Premium members have the facility to comment
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                    • Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
                      Premium members have the facility to comment
                      I didn't know there were premium members. So what is a premium member and what is the criteria to become one ?
                      The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                      The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                      • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                        Well there was this post ...
                        https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...6#post10492296

                        It appeared shortly after I had posted my research into the best sellers of 1967 and the Voice of God stamped it rubbish!
                        I Like it.
                        The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                        The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                        • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

                          I didn't know there were premium members. So what is a premium member and what is the criteria to become one ?
                          https://www.ukmix.org/forum/ukmix/ha...rship-now-open

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                          • Originally posted by BrainDamageII View Post
                            I just noticed that this facility was available again Brain so that's my premium membership up and running again. Thanks for the prompt.
                            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                            The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                            • kingofskiffle
                              kingofskiffle commented
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                              Thank you for doing that . I'd encourage as many as possible to do it!

                          • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1961

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            4 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1= 1 2 3 1 1 9620
                            2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 1= 2 1 1 2 3 9710
                            1 3 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 3 3 3 2 3 2 9380
                            12 4 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 7 8 4 6 9 7 8030
                            5 5 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 5 4 10 5 11 12 7850
                            6 6 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 9 9 9 7 8 4 7680
                            11 7 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 4 7 8 9 4 11 7670
                            17 8 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 6 6 5 10 6 15 7600
                            3 9 Are You Sure - The Allisons 8 12 12 4 7 6 7580
                            7 10 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 13 6 8 5 5 7550
                            9 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 5 7 11 10 8 7460
                            15 12 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 12 11 11 12 12 9 6500
                            18 13 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 13= 15 13 14 13 14 5640
                            NEW 14 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 13= 13 15 15 14 13 5550
                            10 15 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 15 9 17 18 16 16 5230
                            14 16 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 17= 17 19 16 18 10 4770
                            25 17 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 16 16 16 17 15 23 4680
                            8 18 Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 17= 26 18 13 17 18 4250
                            19 19 F.B.I. - The Shadows 24 19 20 20 2760
                            16 20 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 19= 20 19 19 2170
                            26 21 Runaway - Del Shannon 19= 18 14 28 2150
                            21 22 Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 27 20 21 1280
                            22 23 Samantha - Kenny Ball 20 24 1090
                            24 24 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 19 27 1080
                            13 25 Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 25 17 900
                            NEW 26 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 21 800
                            NEW 27 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 22 720
                            NEW 28 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 640
                            20 29 My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 22 270
                            NEW 30 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 28 240
                            Will You Love Me Tomorrow - The Shirelles 25 180
                            The Magnificent Seven - Al Caiola 29 160
                            Coronation Street - Geoff Love 29 160
                            A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 26 150
                            Wheels - The String-A-Longs 29 60
                            (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 30 30
                            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                            The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                            • The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
                              The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                              The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                              • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                The Marcels leap frog The Temperance Seven to take #1. The Marcels meet the 2 out of 3 point rule to do this. Although fewer points, they are #1 in 3 of the 5 charts, and are closest to the top by having 8 points to 9 points in the music paper chart add up.
                                And they were the best selling "sales" based record that week and next week also

                                So Speaks the Voice of God!
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                                • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 13th 1961

                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 13th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                  1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                                  2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
                                  4 3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
                                  8 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810
                                  3 5 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 5 8 3 3 4 5 8730
                                  14 6 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6 6 6 8 6 4 8090
                                  11 7 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 7 7 8 9 9 7 7540
                                  7 8 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 9 14 10 6 7 9 7230
                                  21 9 Runaway - Del Shannon 8 4 7 12 11 13 7230
                                  6 10 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 10 12 17 7 8 11 6750
                                  10 11 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 11 15 11 10 10 8 6530
                                  NEW 12 The Frightened City - The Shadows 12= 9 9 14 16 19 6060
                                  12 13 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 14 10 12 15 17 10 5910
                                  17 14 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 12= 11 14 16 12 14 5730
                                  9 15 Are You Sure - The Allisons 15= 20 15 11 14 18 5280
                                  5 16 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 15= 17 19 13 15 16 5070
                                  26 17 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 12 13 18 18 21 4980
                                  13 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 19 16 17 13 12 4870
                                  15 19 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 19 15 20 20 20 15 4180
                                  16 20 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 26 19 17 2140
                                  NEW 21 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 23 18 19 2020
                                  NEW 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 18 1040
                                  24 23 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 23 960
                                  28 24 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 21 28 890
                                  23 25 Samantha - Kenny Ball 25 24 690
                                  27 26 Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 24 560
                                  19 27 F.B.I. - The Shadows 29 20 490
                                  NEW 28 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 27 320
                                  20 29 And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 22 270
                                  NEW 30 Words - The Allisons 28 240
                                  A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180
                                  The Magnificent Seven - The John Barry Seven 29 160
                                  My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 29 160
                                  (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 26 150
                                  Walk Right Back / Ebony Eyes - The Everly Brothers 27 120
                                  Theme For A Dream - Cliff Richard 29 60
                                  My Kind Of Girl - Matt Monro 30 30
                                  The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                                  The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                                  • 3 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 4 5 4 4 5 3 8810
                                    4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 3 3 5 5 3 6 8810

                                    What criteria was used to separate songs with the same number of points?
                                    How come the BBC order was reversed?

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                                    • I used the same criteria as I always do for tied points Brian, that being, which had most points from the music paper with most returns. As Helen placed higher in MM she was awarded the higher place. The BBC average was only taken from NME, MM, and Disc at this time with RM and RR not included.
                                      The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                                      The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                                      • That's unusual. Two lots of tied points (3 & 4 and 8 & 9) in the top 10 (both split by MM position). Is that a first?

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                                        • Yeah it is very unusual brain. If I remember correctly it has only happened once before in the top ten, it usually occurs between 21 and 30 as only NME and RR compile a chart beyond a top 20 at this stage.
                                          The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                                          The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                                          • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 20th 1961

                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 20th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                            1 1 Blue Moon - The Marcels 1 2 1 1 1 3 9760
                                            2 2 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 2 3 2 2 2 2 9490
                                            9 3 Runaway - Del Shannon 3 1 3 3 4 8 9200
                                            4 4 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 4 5 5 4 3 1 8910
                                            6 5 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6= 4 6 7 7 4 8310
                                            12 6 The Frightened City - The Shadows 6= 6 4 6 6 9 8280
                                            3 7 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 5 7 8 5 5 5 8240
                                            5 8 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 8 8 7 8 8 6 7710
                                            14 9 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 9 12 9 11 10 12 6660
                                            17 10 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 11 10 10 12 15 14 6340
                                            7 11 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 10 11 16 13 9 7 6300
                                            8 12 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 12 16 13 10 11 10 6220
                                            10 13 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 13 19 11 9 13 11 6080
                                            28 14 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 14 9 14 15 18 20 5520
                                            11 15 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 15 15 18 14 14 13 5320
                                            13 16 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 16 14 15 18 12 16 5150
                                            24 17 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 13 12 17 19 19 5080
                                            18 18 Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 18 16 19 16 20 15 4600
                                            21 19 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 19 16 17 16 18 3180
                                            19 20 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 20 20 17 2510
                                            23 21 How Wonderful To Know - Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson 22 19 24 2250
                                            22 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 20 20 17 26 1730
                                            16 23 Lazy River - Bobby Darin 24 20 22 1490
                                            NEW 24 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 22 720
                                            30 25 Words - The Allisons 25 480
                                            15 26 Are You Sure - The Allisons 29 21 460
                                            RE 27 My Blue Heaven - Frank Sinatra 26 400
                                            NEW 28 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 27 320
                                            NEW 29 Spurs Song - The Totnamites 28 240
                                            20 30 Where The Boys Are - Connie Francis 23 240
                                            F.B.I. - The Shadows 25 180
                                            And The Heavens Cried - Anthony Newley 27 120
                                            (I Wanna) Love My Life Away - Gene Pitney 28 90
                                            I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 30 80
                                            Mother-In-Law - Ernie K-Doe 29 60
                                            Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford 30 30
                                            The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                                            The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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                                            • Del Shannon is heading for #1 but he will soon have very strong competition !
                                              The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended

                                              The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties

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