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  • Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
    I had always assumed that each NME reporting shop was tabulating its own in-shop chart based on (a) actual sales + (b) advance orders not yet purchased (record fan had ordered the record but hadn't yet dropped by the shop to pick it up and pay for it) + possibly in some cases (c) unfulfilled advance order sales due to label not delivering enough copies to satisfy demand.
    I reckon they would want to keep things simple and just ask for (a). This would include a record paid for and available for collection.

    If you ask for (b) or (c) you are falsely recording as a sale something that is just an unpaid expression of interest. Then if it does result in a sale there is the danger of recording it again.

    In that MM article justifying Day Tripper entering at 3 there is no mention of advance orders being an explanation for the difference. I suspect it was something that NME (and Disc) claimed to bat off enquiries.

    I don't know, but the reasoning above suggests that the dealers simply recorded sales - whether to NME or MM. If so, the advanced order information that NME used must have come from a different source.

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    • This what we do know. Each paper asked record shops to provide a list of it's best selling records each week. It was either a top ten or later on a top 50 list.
      Some of these papers used a phone call system to the shops to get the list. Others used a paper return direct to the papers.
      The papers used a certain amount of shops to compile the charts.
      The list of the record stores used by the papers was available (on the fiddle) to ALL record companies. Record Mirror at one time published the charts and the names of the shops it used. They asked the other papers to do so, but none did.
      Certainly by the time that all the papers were making a chart record companies were starting to fiddle the charts. There are recorded instances of getting records into the top tens on the fiddle. By 1967 Melody Maker got sick of the fiddling and reduced it's chart to a 30.
      None of the papers would know if a record had actually sold one copy. Because they only had the lists from the shops. Which could have been completely made up by whomever made up the list. However unlikely that was.
      So far (as far as I can tell personally) all the records had been issued the week the chart covers.
      Based on the returns from the shops the papers would NOT be able to tell the amount any record sold.
      Dealers paid for records. They sold them back to the public at inflated prices. So if they had 300 customers wanting a record, they would order at least 300 copies. These should have been available to purchase by the day of release.

      Now to what we don't know.
      We do not know if any of the papers told the shops what not and what to put in the charts.
      We do not know if papers removed B sides, LP's from the data they got back to compile the charts. Though it looks like Record Retailer MIGHT have removed EP's.
      Any evidence for the papers using advanced orders from an outside source.
      If any record shop taking part used advanced orders to produce the return list.

      The following we assume to be correct.
      Paper returns would come back spoiled. Wrongly filled in, or missing details.
      Returns by paper would got lost in the post or delayed especially at holiday periods.
      Some dealers put in LP's by mistake in the returns to the papers. Some dealers quoted the wrong side of a record in the same returns.
      NME did not correct the above two errors. Perhaps on the grounds they didn't want change how the chart would appear. Or the paper didn't care.
      Somebody was supplying information to at least one of the papers on the amount sold. As it produced a system of sales to indicate that a record had passed a certain amount.
      We don't know if they asked shops for figures, but it more likely came from distribution by record companies.
      I suspect on the phone system gathering they asked a much smaller number from a the pool of stores shown on the list. Especially if the were asking each store for 50 records! As the phone cost of 100 stores would be massive.
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 10th 1961


        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 10th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
        1 1 Surrender - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
        2 2 Runaway - Del Shannon 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
        3 3 The Frightened City - The Shadows 3 3 4 3 3 3 9180
        4 4 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 4 6 5 4 4 4 8690
        7 5 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 5 4 3 5 6 8 8640
        11 6 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 6 5 6 8 5 5 8190
        6 7 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 7 7 13 9 8 7 7290
        5 8 Blue Moon - The Marcels 9 13 9 7 9 9 7160
        12 9 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 11 8 7 12 11 12 6940
        10 10 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 12 15 11 6 12 6 6930
        8 11 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 10 10 10 10 10 10 6930
        13 12 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 8 9 14 11 7 11 6780
        16 13 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 13 12 8 15 14 18 5900
        17 14 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 16 11 12 16 17 20 5420
        9 15 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 14= 14 17 14 15 14 5380
        19 16 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 14= 17 18 13 13 22 5050
        15 17 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 18= 19 15 17 13 4000
        21 18 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 17 16 16 16 21 3150
        14 19 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 18= 24 18 18 15 3120
        29 20 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 20 18 20 19 3020
        18 21 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 20 20 17 2510
        22 22 I Still Love You All - Kenny Ball 22 19 1440
        20 23 Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 21 19 1160
        24 24 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 19 16 1050
        NEW 25 Transistor Radio - Benny Hill 29 20 25 890
        23 26 African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 26 23 640
        25 27 Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 25 28 570
        30 28 She She Little Sheila - Gene Vincent 27 320
        NEW 29 Half Of My Heart - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 27 320
        28 30 A Hundred Pounds Of Clay - Craig Douglas 24 210
        Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 23
        Why Not Now - Matt Monro 30 27 200
        Little Boy Sad - Johnny Burnette 26 150
        Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Tony Bennett 30 80
        Mother-In- Law - Ernie K-Doe 29 60
        The Battle's O'er - Andy Stewart 30 30
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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        • ^
          Andy Stewart seems to be popular in shops providing returns to Record Retailer. And 10's right across the board for Jerry Lee Lewis!

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          • Originally posted by Robbie View Post
            ^
            Andy Stewart seems to be popular in shops providing returns to Record Retailer. And 10's right across the board for Jerry Lee Lewis!
            Yeah it's a rare event Robbie to see the same chart position across all charts as low as ten or below.
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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            • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
              All things considered maybe we should just take all those charts and their chart positions at face value and accept them warts and all. I do for compiling the Ultimate Chart. If a paper says this then they are awarded these points and if another says that then they get those points. The chart numbers were good enough at the time and accepted by the record buying public so they should be good enough for us now. Shouldn't they ?
              In the final analysis mate, this has to be the position we all adopt. We can know something was right, wrong, inconsistent or questionable about measuring '60s music sales. But without more reliable, consistent, complete and verifiable sources to enlighten us further, the main music papers' efforts are all we have and likely will ever have as a window on the era's groundbreaking music from a commercial perspective. So accept - or tolerate - their various limitations we must. I think what annoys me most is that so many casual chart followers (not geeky enough to agonise over minutiae like our good selves!) won't know or care about the inaccuracies inherent in different rankings of that time. I can totally live with music fans who have no regard for the charts not giving a toss about these issues. But anyone who does have more than a passing interest in the UK charts of the sixties (and thereafter) who just assumes things at face value should stop to be more curious, especially if they think they know what is 'correct' merely through the lens of what's now deemed as 'official' thanks to the OCC and the Guinness brigade before them. It's like someone who's interested in any topic and claims to have a certain depth of knowledge about it, yet only sources their information from a single source, and that source was Wikipedia!

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              • I am not convinced that NME included advance orders in compiling their weekly charts. On 14th February 1964 NME said that advance orders for Dave Clark Five’s “Bits and Pieces” were 250,000 by Wednesday 12th February. You would expect it to enter at number one. The following week it actually entered at no. 7.

                On 28th February it went from no. 7 to no. 3 (below Cilla Black and the Bachelors). NME reported that EMI had dispatched 462,000 copies to dealers by 26th February and the figure seemed certain to pass the half million mark by the weekend. (Sales of “Glad all over” were then at 878,000).

                So such high figures did not result in a number one record.

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                • I was always a bit sceptical Brian about newspaper and music paper articles indicating advance orders and weekly sales. They could really only have got that info from record companies and it was in the record companies interest to exaggerate and massage figures to add publicity to records.
                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                  • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 17th 1961

                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 17th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                    1 1 Surrender - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 2 1 9850
                    2 2 Runaway - Del Shannon 2 2 2 2 1 2 9620
                    3 3 The Frightened City - The Shadows 3 4 3 3 3 3 9160
                    6 4 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 4 3 5 7 4 5 8570
                    5 5 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 5 5 8 5 8 6 8220
                    14 6 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson* 7 10 4 6 7 11 8090
                    4 7 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 6 13 6 4 5 4 8020
                    16 8 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 9 8 9 8 10 10 7370
                    13 9 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 8 8 10 10 6 9 7320
                    9 10 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 10 7 12 15 9 8 6610
                    NEW 11 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 11 6 7 11 17 24 6550
                    11 12 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 13 15 13 9 12 14 6240
                    12 13 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 12 12 19 12 11 13 5870
                    NEW 14 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 14 11 11 14 18 27 5440
                    10 15 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 15 18 17 13 14 7 5430
                    7 16 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 16 20 18 17 13 12 4670
                    NEW 17 Pop Goes The Weasel - Anthony Newley 17 14 15 18 19 23 4590
                    18 18 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 18= 16 16 20 16 17 4480
                    20 19 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 20 17 14 19 20 18 4400
                    8 20 Blue Moon - The Marcels 18= 21 16 15 15 3730
                    17 21 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 23 20 19 1660
                    15 22 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 19 16 1410
                    RE 23 Why Not Now - Matt Monro 24 25 740
                    25 24 Transistor Radio - Benny Hill 25 26 630
                    NEW 25 Breakin' In A Brand New Broken Heart - Connie Francis 25 480
                    19 26 Easy Going Me - Adam Faith 20 330
                    NEW 27 Marcheta - Karl Denver 27 320
                    21 28 Warpaint - The Brook Brothers 21 300
                    24 29 Gee Whiz It's You - Cliff Richard 22 270
                    29 30 Half Of My Heart - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 28 240
                    * This week the split sides would have affected NME's averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 4 charts giving an average of 7 to Ricky Nelson and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position for both sides together.
                    Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 22
                    She She Little Sheila - Gene Vincent 29 160
                    Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 28 90
                    Bells Of Avignon - Maz Bygraves 30 80
                    Theme From Dixie - Duane Eddy 29 60
                    African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 30 30
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                    • The novelty Temperance Seven prove they are no one hit wonders as they have a high debut at #11 followed closely by The Everlies eying up another #1.
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                      • I would like to know the provenance of the claim that NME used advance orders.

                        In the case of Beatles records I never felt the need to reserve an upcoming release. Dick James had an efficient system of ensuring that supply was sufficient, so it would have been a waste of time going through the ordering process. When EMI reported advance order figures these were just the stores using their skill and judgement to estimate how many they needed and did not mean they had a matching list of named customer orders.

                        (Been listening to Buffie St Marie songs and noticed the distinctive sound of Floyd Cramer on the piano.)

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                        • Buffy Sainte-Marie Soldier Blue. Epic.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                          • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                            I would like to know the provenance of the claim that NME used advance orders.
                            I think it might have been suggested by the fact of high new hits in the charts. Largely on the fact that a record might be top three after a few days of sales. Though it was almost certainly known that a record could sell a large amount quickly, as none of the charts actually counted record sales themselves, there could have been a belief that the more stores you used to make a chart it would slow the sales down. And so records wouldn't likely enter the top three, except a massive seller! But if the NME had records entering high a lot, that would question this attitude. Hence the claim of counting sales that had NOT taken place in that week. Of course we know that the amount of shops taking part doesn't slow down the chart. If it did we would see the Record Retailer being the quickest chart of the 60's and it's not!

                            And yes I would like to see something in print saying either the NME allowed advanced orders, or some other source accusing them of the practice. Otherwise it could be a chart myth, or fake information, perhaps invented at a later date. Reminds me a bit like the story which an associate of Epstein (Alistair Taylor) said was made up by him. It evolves a young lad called Raymond Jones going into the shop and asking for the Beatles single. However the story was true, as someone did indeed find Raymond Jones years later who confirmed he dealt with Epstein and ask for the single which he got later. Taylor's motivation was envy of Epstein and maybe one of the other music papers editor's was envious about the NME's chart.
                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                            • In the 17th June chart, 'Why Not Now' is a re-entry from the 3rd June, when it was at 27.
                              Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon February 8, 2021, 02:53.

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                              • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                                In the 17th June chart, 'Why Not Now' is a re-entry from the 3rd June, when it was at 27.
                                Amended
                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending June 24th 1961


                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending June 24th1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                  Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                  Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                  2 1 Runaway - Del Shannon 1 1 2 1 1 2 9810
                                  1 2 Surrender - Elvis Presley 2 2 1 2 2 1 9660
                                  14 3 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 3 3 3 4 5 12 8760
                                  6 4 Hello Mary Lou - Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 4 6 6 5 3 4 6818
                                  3 5 The Frightened City - The Shadows 5= 9 5 3 4 6 8500
                                  4 6 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 5= 4 8 6 6 3 8380
                                  11 7 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 7 4 4 7 8 10 8200
                                  9 8 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 8 7 10 9 7 5 7580
                                  5 9 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 9 8 7 11 10 8 7220
                                  8 10 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 11 15 11 10 9 7 6610
                                  7 11 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 10 14 14 8 11 13 6450
                                  17 12 Pop Goes The Weasel - Anthony Newley 15 12 9 13 15 15 6100
                                  18 13 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 12= 12 13 14 12 14 5930
                                  NEW 14 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 12= 10 12 12 16 23 5900
                                  10 15 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 14 11 15 15 13 11 5820
                                  19 16 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 16 16 16 17 14 16 4940
                                  13 17 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 17 17 18 16 18 9 4860
                                  12 18 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 18 25 17 18 17 19 3810
                                  20 19 Blue Moon - The Marcels 21 20 22 2280
                                  NEW 20 Ring Of Fire - Duane Eddy 30 20 19 2060
                                  15 21 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 19= 19 20 17 1930
                                  25 22 Breakin' In A Brand New Broken Heart - Connie Francis 22 19 21 1620
                                  16 23 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 19= 18 18 1430
                                  NEW 24 Weekend - Eddie Cochran 26 19 1120
                                  RE 25 She She Little Sheila - Gene Vincent 23 640
                                  30 26 Half Of My Heart - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 24 560
                                  22 27 You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 28 25 420
                                  21 28 Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 20 330
                                  27 29 Marcheta - Karl Denver 27 320
                                  24 30 Transistor Radio - Benny Hill 30 24 290
                                  * This week the split sides would have affected NME's averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 4 charts giving an average of 4.5 to Ricky Nelson and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position for both sides together.
                                  Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 20
                                  Once In Every Lifetime - Ken Dodd 28 240
                                  Why Not Now - Matt Monro 26 150
                                  Exodus - Ferrante and Teicher 27 120
                                  The Battle's O'er - Andy Stewart 28 90
                                  A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 29 60
                                  African Waltz - Johnny Dankworth 30 30
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                  • Del Shannon takes his revenge and reclaims #1 but he's looking over his shoulder at The Everly Brothers closing in.
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                    • I'm really really saddened this morning to hear Mary Wilson of The Supremes has passed away. I was so into The Supremes from 1964 and beyond. Another legend has left my world.
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                      • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 1st 1961


                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 1st 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                        Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                        Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                        1 1 Runaway - Del Shannon 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                                        2 2 Surrender - Elvis Presley 3 5 2 2 2 2 9330
                                        3 3 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 2 2 3 3 3 5 9260
                                        7 4 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 4 3 4 5 5 4 8830
                                        4 5 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 5 6 6 4 4 3 8660
                                        14 6 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 6 4 5 6 6 13 8260
                                        8 7 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 7 8 7 7 7 7 7840
                                        6 8 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 8 7 8 9 8 8 7560
                                        5 9 The Frightened City - The Shadows 9 9 9 8 9 6 7460
                                        13 10 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 10 10 12 10 10 9 6840
                                        9 11 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 12 12 10 12 14 11 6320
                                        16 12 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 11 11 13 13 11 15 6140
                                        10 13 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 13 15 14 11 13 10 6030
                                        12 14 Pop Goes The Weasel - Anthony Newley 14 13 11 15 12 12 5920
                                        11 15 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 15 19 17 14 15 14 4980
                                        15 16 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 16 14 16 17 17 16 4950
                                        17 17 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 18 16 15 18 18 17 4660
                                        20 18 Ring Of Fire - Duane Eddy 17 17 19 16 16 20 4570
                                        24 19 Weekend - Eddie Cochran 19= 28 20 19 20 24 2980
                                        18 20 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 22 20 19 19 2890
                                        29 21 Marcheta - Karl Denver 19= 18 18 1820
                                        NEW 22 Moody River - Pat Boone 20 880
                                        22 23 Breakin' In A Brand New Broken Heart - Connie Francis 24 22 830
                                        NEW 24 Time - Craig Douglas 21 800
                                        NEW 25 Exclusively Yours - Mark Wynter 23 640
                                        21 26 Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 28 18 630
                                        25 27 She She Little Sheila - Gene Vincent 27 25 500
                                        26 28 Half Of My Heart - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 26 400
                                        23 29 On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 21 300
                                        NEW 30 Baby I Don't Care - Buddy Holly 28 240
                                        NEW 30 Stand By Me - Ben E. King 28 240
                                        Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 24
                                        Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 23 240
                                        You're Driving Me Crazy - The Temperance Seven 26 150
                                        Blue Moon - The Marcels 27 120
                                        Why Not Now - Matt Monro 28 90
                                        A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 29 60
                                        The Battle's O'er - Andy Stewart 30 30
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                        • I heard 'Stand By Me' in the new release section of POTP later in the 60s. The record company must have thought that it had not reach its potential first time round and re-released it. They were correct, but on that occasion it didn't chart.

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                                          • It more than made up for it two decades later when it did fulfil it's potential and went all the way to #1.
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                            • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending July 8th 1961


                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending July 8th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                              1 1 Runaway - Del Shannon 1 1 2 1 1 1 9840
                                              3 2 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 2 2 1 2 3 3 9550
                                              5 3 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 4= 3 3 3 7 2 9070
                                              4 4 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 3 4 4 6 2 4 8790
                                              6 5 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 4= 4 5 5 4 5 8710
                                              7 6 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 6 6 7 4 6 7 8380
                                              2 7 Surrender - Elvis Presley 7 7 6 7 5 6 8110
                                              8 8 But I Do - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 8 8 8 8 9 8 7540
                                              12 9 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 9 9 9 9 8 11 7250
                                              9 10 The Frightened City - The Shadows 10 12 12 10 10 9 6680
                                              10 11 Running Scared - Roy Orbison 11 10 11 11 12 10 6660
                                              14 12 Pop Goes The Weasel - Anthony Newley 12 11 10 12 11 13 6490
                                              18 13 Ring Of Fire - Duane Eddy 13 19 13 13 13 17 5340
                                              13 14 I've Told Every Little Star - Linda Scott 15 15 17 16 14 12 5190
                                              11 15 You'll Never Know - Shirley Bassey 14 13 19 17 15 14 5010
                                              19 16 Weekend - Eddie Cochran 16 21 15 14 16 20 4710
                                              24 17 Time - Craig Douglas 17= 14 16 19 19 25 4360
                                              23 18 Breakin' In A Brand New Broken Heart - Connie Francis 17= 16 14 15 19 4340
                                              15 19 More Than I Can Say - Bobby Vee 19 24 18 17 15 3170
                                              16 20 Have A Drink On Me - Lonnie Donegan 20 18 18 18 18 2860
                                              17 21 Little Devil - Neil Sedaka 23 20 20 16 2850
                                              21 22 Marcheta - Karl Denver 17 20 29 1840
                                              NEW 23 Nature Boy - Bobby Darin 20 880
                                              NEW 24 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 22 27 840
                                              22 25 Moody River - Pat Boone 24 560
                                              25 26 Exclusively Yours - Mark Wynter 26 400
                                              30 27 Stand By Me - Ben E. King 27 320
                                              20 28 What'd I Say - Jerry Lee Lewis 21 300
                                              27 29 She She Little Sheila - Gene Vincent 22 270
                                              30 30 Baby I Don't Care - Buddy Holly 28 240
                                              Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 23 240
                                              Don't Treat Me Like A Child - Helen Shapiro 24 210
                                              The Boll Weevil Song - Brook Benton 29 160
                                              Wooden Heart - Elvis Presley 26 150
                                              On The Rebound - Floyd Cramer 28 90
                                              High Voltage - Johnny and The Hurricanes 30 80
                                              A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 30 30

                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                              • Guys, forgive me, an error has been made on TUAC since May 27th 1961 till above July 8th.
                                                I moved over an excel template to use for those dates and updated the store numbers in the weekly chart position columns that you see on here, but unfortunately I did not amend the MM column further along in the calculation section. This had still been set at 38 returns for MM and not 110. As a result of this the MM calculation was based on just 38 returns when it should have been 110 for the above charts.

                                                I need to go back and amend each chart from that date to take account of this as it will make a difference to some chart positions.

                                                I'm really sorry about this. This only affects the above noted charts and no others they are all correct.

                                                Rather than post these charts anew and cause confusion I will go back on here, delete the existing chart posts, and post the amended charts with the correct MM formula.

                                                I really do my very best I can assure you to get all this data correct and accurate at all times and am annoyed I never noticed this at the time.
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                                • Don't worry - good job you spotted it.

                                                  I didn't realise you had a calculation section. I thought the cells in the Total Points Scored column would contain the calculations.

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                                                  • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                                                    Don't worry - good job you spotted it.

                                                    I didn't realise you had a calculation section. I thought the cells in the Total Points Scored column would contain the calculations.
                                                    Yeah you only see part of the spreadsheet here Splodj. Here is how the part with calculations looks.

                                                    NME RM MM Disc RR Inverse x Inverse x Inverse x Inverse x Inverse x Combined
                                                    Inverse Inverse Inverse Inverse Inverse # Shops # Shops # Shops # Shops # Shops Total Chart
                                                    Points Points Points Points Points 80 60 110 50 30 Points Position
                                                    30 30 29 29 28 2400 1800 3190 1450 840 9680 1
                                                    29 29 30 28 30 2320 1740 3300 1400 900 9660 2
                                                    25 28 28 30 26 2000 1680 3080 1500 780 9040 3
                                                    28 27 27 24 29 2240 1620 2970 1200 870 8900 4
                                                    27 26 25 27 23 2160 1560 2750 1350 690 8510 5
                                                    26 25 26 25 27 2080 1500 2860 1250 810 8500 6
                                                    24 24 24 26 24 1920 1440 2640 1300 720 8020 7
                                                    21 23 23 23 22 1680 1380 2530 1150 660 7400 8
                                                    23 18 22 22 25 1840 1080 2420 1100 750 7190 9
                                                    22 22 21 15 20 1760 1320 2310 750 600 6740 10
                                                    20 21 20 20 17 1600 1260 2200 1000 510 6570 11
                                                    18 20 17 21 19 1440 1200 1870 1050 570 6130 12
                                                    14 12 19 19 21 1120 720 2090 950 630 5510 13
                                                    17 11 16 18 12 1360 660 1760 900 360 5040 14
                                                    13 13 18 16 14 1040 780 1980 800 420 5020 15
                                                    10 16 15 0 13 800 960 1650 0 390 3800 16
                                                    12 17 0 13 0 960 1020 0 650 0 2630 20
                                                    12 15 12 0 8 960 900 1320 0 240 3420 18
                                                    9 0 14 14 18 720 0 1540 700 540 3500 17
                                                    20 0 0 17 0 1600 0 0 850 0 2450 21
                                                    16 14 0 0 5 1280 840 0 0 150 2270 22
                                                    15 0 13 0 16 1200 0 1430 0 480 3110 19
                                                    3 19 0 11 0 240 1140 0 550 0 1930 23
                                                    8 0 0 12 10 640 0 0 600 300 1540 24
                                                    5 0 0 0 11 400 0 0 0 330 730 26
                                                    8 0 0 0 2 640 0 0 0 60 700 27
                                                    0 0 11 0 9 0 0 1210 0 270 1480 25
                                                    1 0 0 0 15 80 0 0 0 450 530 28
                                                    6 0 0 0 0 480 0 0 0 0 480 29
                                                    4 0 0 0 0 320 0 0 0 0 320 30
                                                    3 0 0 0 0 240 0 0 0 0 240 31
                                                    0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 210 210 32
                                                    0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 180 180 33
                                                    0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 120 120 34
                                                    0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 90 90 35
                                                    0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 30 30 36
                                                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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