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  • So a joint no. 1 in NME this week.
    How often did that happen?

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    • There are 8 times I can think of ...

      Answer Me (2 versions)
      Singing the blues / Garden of England
      On the street where you live / All I have to do is dream
      What do you want / What do you want to make those eyes at me for?
      this one
      Tower of Strength / Take good care of my baby
      Please please me / The Wayward Wind
      For your love / The Minute You're Gone
      Last edited by Splodj; Thu February 18, 2021, 18:51.

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      • Also:

        The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore / I Can't Let go

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        • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 9th 1961


          The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 9th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
          Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
          Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
          1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
          2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 2 2 2 2 2 9570
          3 3 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 3 4 4 3 3 3 9100
          4 4 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 5 5 5 4 5 5 8690
          NEW 5 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 4 3 3 5 4 17 8550
          6 6 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 7 8 6 6 8 4 8050
          5 7 Romeo - Petula Clark 6 7 8 7 7 6 7890
          NEW 8 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 8 6 7 8 13 24 7080
          13 9 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 10= 9 11 11 14 7 6730
          7 10 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 9 12 13 10 9 9 6670
          12 11 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10= 11 12 13 10 12 6340
          16 12 Ain't Gonna Was For A Week - The Brook Brothers 12= 22 10 9 6 19 6010
          15 13 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 12= 10 17 14 12 11 5940
          21 14 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 14 15 9 19 11 21 5220
          8 15 Time - Craig Douglas 18 13 15 15 19 20 5090
          11 16 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 16 13 12 16 10 4910
          9 17 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 18 20 17 18 15 4370
          NEW 18 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 16 18 2330
          17 19 Temptation - The Everly Brothers 20 26 16 22 2320
          10 20 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 15 16 17 18 2290
          NEW 21 Together - Connie Francis 21 20 2010
          14 22 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 19 27 15 14 1630
          18 23 Marcheta - Karl Denver 23 8 1330
          20 24 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 29 20 13 1250
          NEW 25 Michael - The Highwaymen 17 1120
          NEW 26 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 14 1020
          NEW 27 Get Lost - Eden Kane 20 880
          NEW 28 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 18 780
          23 29 Pepito - Los Machucambos 19 720
          22 30 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 24 28 650
          Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 19
          Jealousy - Billy Fury 25 480
          Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 16 450
          What Kind Of Fool Am I - Anthony Newley 27 320
          Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 23 240
          A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 25 180
          You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 29 160
          True Love - Terry Lightfoot 29 160
          Runaway - Del Shannon 26 150
          Weekend - Eddie Cochran 27 120
          Quite A Party - The Fireballs 29 60
          The Frightened City - The Shadows 30 30
          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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          • Again, take a look at the difference in chart positions for the New Entries with RR way out of touch.
            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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            • Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

              RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.

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              • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                Further to my post about survey periods, I see that RM actually specified each week that their charts were for the week ending the previous Saturday.

                RR using a week ending Friday seems the most likely explanation for their lagging, as you can imagine their lower new entry positions reflecting one day of sales and the others two days.
                Yeah and as Saturday accounted for most record sales that could explain the RR deficit.
                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                • Another strange chart occurrence: Los Machucambos reaching the top 20 in Record Mirror, but failing to make any of the other charts (including Record Retailer's top 50)! I wonder what happened there...

                  "Pepito" was a big hit in several European countries – and an excellent and very catchy song to boot! I was surprised to find out it was actually written by two Americans with a supposedly limited knowledge of Spanish (I remember reading an online interview with one of the band members mentioning how they had to replace some of the more nonsensical lyrics from Elena Madera's original version).

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                  • It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.
                    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                    • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 16th 1961


                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 16th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                      1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                      2 2 You Don't Know - Helen Shapiro 2 2 3 2 3 3 9430
                      5 3 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 3 4 2 3 2 4 9240
                      8 4 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 4 3 4 5 4 7 8790
                      3 5 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 5 5 5 4 5 2 8780
                      4 6 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 6 7 8 6 6 5 8080
                      14 7 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 7 6 6 10 8 14 7470
                      7 8 Romeo - Petula Clark 8 10 7 8 7 12 7420
                      6 9 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 9 14 13 7 11 6 6830
                      11 10 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10 8 9 13 12 11 6690
                      25 11 Michael - The Highwaymen 13= 9 10 11 20 19 6130
                      12 12 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 13= 18 12 9 13 13 6040
                      9 13 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 11 11 16 15 10 8 6000
                      10 14 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 12 13 20 12 14 9 5700
                      13 15 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 16 16 17 16 9 10 5420
                      21 16 Together - Connie Francis 15 12 11 14 15 5390
                      18 17 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 19 19 14 18 17 20 4440
                      NEW 18 Jealousy - Billy Fury 18 15 15 19 18 24 4420
                      27 19 Get Lost - Eden Kane 17 17 17 16 3410
                      16 20 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 20 23 19 16 1690
                      23 21 Marcheta - Karl Denver 30 20 18 1680
                      26 22 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 22 18 28 1590
                      28 23 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 24 19 1280
                      30 24 Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 20 29 940
                      15 25 Time - Craig Douglas 26 23 640
                      NEW 26 You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 25 480
                      22 27 Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 15 480
                      17 28 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 17 420
                      20 29 A Girl Like You - Cliff Richard 28 26 390
                      24 30 Don't You Know It - Adam Faith 21 300
                      Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 22 270
                      Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 25 180
                      Breakaway - The Springfields 29 160
                      A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 27 120
                      Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 30 30
                      I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 20
                      Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 26
                      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                      • David Jacobs last 'Pick of the Pops' this week, handing over to Alan Freeman.

                        From next week POTP will be split into 3 segments and incorporated into the 'Trad Tavern' programme. Freeman presented his bits live in front of an audience who would clap, cheer and whistle after each record! It looks like the BBC realised this arrangement didn't work well as it only lasted until the end of the year.

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                        • Without a shadow of a doubt 'Fluff' is my all time favourite DJ, I loved his presentation style. The style of the show at that time was classic, no frills, no rubbish, no gimmicks, no inane chatter, just get on and play the songs, therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                          • Graham76man
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                            The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying!

                        • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                          It was a strange phenomenon that sometimes a record would make one of the music paper top twenties but not appear in any other list, not even those with a top thirty or top fifty. Pepito just seemed to appear out of nowhere.
                          45 Cat list it as being out in July and a review in Melody Maker is dated 15 July 1961. So it was hitting the charts a bit late.
                          Using the owns versus chart position, with 17 owns would put it between 45 and 41 in the charts. So a top 30 place isn't likely for the record. A top 30 to 21 place would need about 20 to 30 owns.
                          And if you do the most collected for September 61 (UK only) search on 45 Cat, the results show that at least 17 is needed to get to 50. Combined with the big sellers from previous months, once again it's unlikely that the record would have been top 30.
                          That doesn't mean it was being fiddled though. It would depend on Record Mirror's shops. They could have had a slight region inbalance, that might explain it being high. Areas for example that have lots of people taking Spanish holidays over the summer, for example! Though at this time going to Spain for a holiday was not common.
                          However just asking for "Los Machucambos" would have been a problem - how to say it!... And the fact it's a Spanish record opens up the bag of the foreign language problem on the UK charts. Not really a racist thing, more a I don't understand what they are singing about thing. It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!
                          Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                          • ''The show was however carefully scripted even down to his his catch phrase saying! ''

                            Maybe we are needing them carefully scripted again nowadays then because today's shows can't hold a candle to sixties and seventies radio shows.

                            Then we had dedicated professional DJ's though not others trying their hand at it and making a pigs ear of it. Graham Norton springs to mind among others.

                            The Radio Luxembourg DJ's were really good, Bob Stewart, Paul Burnett, Tony Prince, Emperor Roscoe 'your royal ruler'.

                            To me the only professional DJ around now is Paul Gambaccini. His American chart show back in the seventies and early eighties was a must to listen to, and a pleasure. His style now harks back to how it should be done.
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                            • You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.

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                              • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                                It has to be a really good song before the UK public take to foreign language record!
                                Although my avatar got to number 28 in NME (31 in RR) with a record completely in French.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpzllq4SCk

                                They should have waited and issued the English version instead that she recorded later!

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                                • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
                                  therefore he will always be the consummate DJ synonymous with Pick Of The Pops.
                                  Freeman says he only got the gig because Jacobs refused to do that Trad Tavern lark, so it served a useful purpose!

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                                  • Non-English songs in the UK charts have always been rare, but they used to be at least a little more common than they are now. In addition to the ones already mentioned, there were two in the top 30 (both NME and the combined chart) simultaneously in June 1960: "Milord" by Édith Piaf (in French) and "Mustapha" by Bob Azzam (French, Spanish and Arabic – almost certainly the only chart hit with that combination of languages). Though some of them were also recorded by other artists in English, which might have helped them chart.

                                    One of the many things that make charts from the earlier decades much more interesting than the ones today (and it also helps that the songs in question are nice to listen to even without understanding the lyrics)...

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                                    • Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post
                                      You've got "A Girl Like You" - Cliff Richard twice on last chart, should be in UAC Top 30 @ #29 with 360 points.
                                      390 points. Still at 29 though.

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                                      • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

                                        390 points. Still at 29 though.
                                        Yes your right I added up "A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart" on 120 points by accident.

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                                        • Double entry for Cliff corrected above. Yeah 29 with 390 points.
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                          • Originally posted by Woz1234 View Post

                                            Yes your right I added up "A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart" on 120 points by accident.
                                            I thought that was probably what you had done.

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                                            • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 23rd 1961
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 23rd 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                              Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                              Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                              1 1 Johnny Remember Me - John Leyton 1 2 1 1 1 2 9790
                                              3 2 Wild In The Country / I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 2 1 3 3 3 4 9370
                                              2 3 You Don't Know / Helen Shapiro 3 3 4 2 4 3 9240
                                              4 4 Kon-Tiki - The Shadows 4 4 2 4 2 5 9100
                                              5 5 Reach For The Stars / Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 5 5 5 5 5 1 8700
                                              11 6 Michael - The Highwaymen 6 6 6 6 6 17 7920
                                              18 7 Jealousy - Billy Fury 7 7 8 7 8 12 7660
                                              7 8 Michael Row The Boat / Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 9 11 7 9 9 6 7310
                                              19 9 Get Lost - Eden Kane 8 10 10 8 7 19 7030
                                              10 10 Cupid - Sam Cooke 10 8 9 16 10 7 6580
                                              6 11 Well I Ask You - Eden Kane 13 18 14 10 12 8 6010
                                              16 12 Together - Connie Francis 11= 13 13 13 11 15 5980
                                              12 13 Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week - The Brook Brothers 14 14 11 12 15 14 5960
                                              17 14 Hats Off To Larry - Del Shannon 11= 9 15 15 13 13 5920
                                              13 15 That's My Home - Mr. Acker Bilk 15 12 12 17 14 11 5650
                                              9 16 Halfway To Paradise - Billy Fury 16 20 19 11 16 9 5210
                                              8 17 Romeo - Petula Clark 17 17 17 14 17 18 4920
                                              15 18 How Many Tears - Bobby Vee 18= 15 18 20 18 10 4550
                                              26 19 You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 18= 16 16 18 19 20 4460
                                              14 20 Quarter To Three - The U.S. Bonds 20 22 19 20 16 3040
                                              22 21 Sea Of Heartbreak - Don Gibson 19 20 27 1740
                                              RE 22 Say It With Flowers - Dorothy Squires and Russ Conway 25 24 690
                                              21 23 Marcheta - Karl Denver 26 22 670
                                              NEW 24 Breakaway - The Springfields 23 640
                                              NEW 25 Frankie And Johnny - Brook Benton 27 320
                                              NEW 25 I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door - Eddie Hodges 27 320
                                              RE 27 Wheels Cha Cha - Joe Loss 21 300
                                              28 28 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Clarence 'Frogman' Henry 23 240
                                              20 29 Hello Mary Lou / Travellin' Man - Ricky Nelson 25 180
                                              23 30 Drivin' Home - Duane Eddy 29 160
                                              I Feel So Bad - Elvis Presley 21
                                              Climb Ev'ry Mountain - Shirley Bassey 24
                                              Lumbered - Lonnie Donegan 30
                                              Pasadena - The Temperance Seven 26 150
                                              A Scottish Soldier - Andy Stewart 28 90
                                              Someday (You'll Be Sorry) - Kenny Ball 30 80
                                              Time - Craig Douglas 29 60
                                              Baby I Don't Care / Valley Of Tears - Buddy Holly 30 30
                                              The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                              • There is something very wrong more than usual at RR this week. They place Shirley Bassey at #1 while the disc is at #5 in ALL other four charts. 300 stores against 30. There is more than lagging behind in days of sale at work here. It is just out and out incorrect and it is considered an 'official' #1
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Sixties.

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                                                • The way that you present it is a great way of demonstrating that they were wrong - you can see at a glance.

                                                  That Scottish Soldier marched on 16 weeks ago. He's retreated a few times, but not advanced far.

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