The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

Ultimate and BBC very close. Just 14/15 swapped, 25 untied and 28/29 swapped.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending May 6th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending May 6th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					2	2	2	2	2	18415
3	3	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					3	3	5	3	4	17195
5	4	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					4	5	4	4	3	17030
4	5	Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					5	6	3	5	7	16640
11	6	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					6	4	6	6	6	16275
10	7	I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move					7	7	9	7	5	14910
12	8	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					8	8	8	8	9	14520
9	9	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					9	9	7	9	13	14130
16	10	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					10	10	10	10	10	13335
7	11	I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens					11	11	11	14	8	12655
6	12	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					12	14	13	11	11	11600
26	13	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					13	13	14	13	15	11010
14	14	Happy Together - The Turtles					15	16	12	15	14	10795
24	15	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					14	12	16	12	16	10725
8	16	Bernadette - The Four Tops					16	15	15	16	12	10315
20	17	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					17	17	17	19	17	8690
15	18	It's All Over - Cliff Richard					18	18	18	21	18	7955
13	19	This Is My Song - Harry Secombe					19	19	19	18	20	7635
21	20	Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd					20	23	21	17	19	6520
22	21	Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas					21	24	20	20	21	6100
17	22	I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith					22	21	22	24	23	5630
25	23	Maroc 7 / Bombay Duck - The Shadows					23	25	23	26	24	4295
NEW	24	Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley					24	20		23	29	3170
19	25	Because I Love You - Georgie Fame					25=	28	25	25	26	3125
18	26	Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set					25=	30	24	28	22	3015
NEW	27	New York Mining Disaster 1941 - The Bee Gees					27	26		22	27	2240
30	28	Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got - Jimmy Ruffin					29	22			30	1885
23	29	Edelweiss - Vince Hill					28		26		25	1760
NEW	30	If I Were A Rich Man - Topol					30		27	27		1400
		Birds And Bees - Warm Sounds						27				800
		Al Capone - Prince Buster							28			750
		Get Me To The World On Time - The Electric Prunes						28				600
		Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd							30		28	505
		Oh How I Miss You - The Bachelors							29			500
		Then I Kissed Her - The Beach Boys								29		200
		Casino Royale - Herb Alpert								30		100

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 29th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 29th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					1	1	1	1	1	19050
2	2	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					2	2	2	2	2	18415
3	3	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					3	3	3	3	3	17780
4	4	Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					4	4	4	4	4	17145
7	5	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					5	5	5	6	5	16410
5	6	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					6	6	7	5	8	15555
10	7	I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens					7	8	6	7	6	15375
9	8	Bernadette - The Four Tops					8	7	10	8	10	14135
12	9	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					10	9	8	10	11	13950
17	10	I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move					9	11	9	9	7	13740
18	11	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					11	10	12	11	9	12820
19	12	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					12	13	11	12	13	12030
6	13	This Is My Song - Harry Secombe					14	12	15	13	14	11045
14	14	Happy Together - The Turtles					13	14	14	14	12	10965
8	15	It's All Over - Cliff Richard					15	16	13	15	15	10460
28	16	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					16	15	16	16	16	9725
13	17	I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith					17	17	18	18	17	8540
11	18	Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set					18	18	19	21	18	7705
15	19	Because I Love You - Georgie Fame					19	19	20	17	21	7400
24	20	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					20	23	17	19	24	6895
22	21	Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd					21	21	23	22	19	5920
23	22	Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas					22	22	22	20	22	5915
16	23	Edelweiss - Vince Hill					23	29	21	23	20	4635
NEW	24	Pictures Of Lily - The Who					25	19	28	24		3850
NEW	25	Maroc 7 / Bombay Duck - The Shadows					24	25	25	25	26	3725
NEW	26	Silence Is Golden - The Tremeloes					26	24	26	28	29	3120
26	27	Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd					27		24		23	2430
21	28	Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles					29		27	26		1500
30	29	Al Capone - Prince Buster					28	28	30		25	1360
NEW	30	Gonna Give Her All The Love I've Got - Jimmy Ruffin					30	27		27		1200
		Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley						26				1000
		Georgy Girl - The Seekers						30		30	27	640
		Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich							29			500
		Oh How I Miss You - The Bachelors								29	30	285
		Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican									28	255

[Graham76man]

As I predicted Jeff Beck enters all the top 30 without selling a single copy. Only after these charts were published did Beck start to sell, but only at 79. The other version by The Attack was the one in the actual chart. But as that video I posted in a previous post shows when somebody like Don Arden wanted a record in the chart it was. He was not the only one Joe Meek was well into chart hyping. Meek bought 10 to 20 in each shop and they would chart, he would then tell the DJ's it's charted and they would do the rest to sell the record. 100 copies would get you up the chart. At least 60 shops were in London.

[MrTibbs]

Yeah there was no consistency in their application of tie breakers.

[Splodj]

Strange how the BBC did not break a tie for number one using the 'trend' method, but did for other positions.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

A joint #1 on the BBC chart.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 22nd 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 22nd 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					1=	1	1	2	2	18865
1	2	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					1=	2	2	1	1	18600
3	3	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					3	3	3	3	3	17780
5	4	Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					4	4	4	4	4	17145
4	5	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					5	5	6	5	5	16260
6	6	This Is My Song - Harry Secombe					6	6	7	6	7	15540
10	7	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					7	7	8	7	6	15075
8	8	It's All Over - Cliff Richard					8	9	5	9	9	14970
12	9	Bernadette - The Four Tops					9	8	11	8	8	13855
16	10	I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens					10	11	9	11	10	13285
7	11	Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set					11	10	10	12	11	13050
20	12	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					12	13	12	10	14	11895
9	13	I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith					13	12	13	15	13	11430
17	14	Happy Together - The Turtles					14	17	14	13	12	10465
18	15	Because I Love You - Georgie Fame					15	14	18	14	15	9710
11	16	Edelweiss - Vince Hill					16	16	15	16	17	9690
29	17	I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move					17	15	17	18	16	9275
26	18	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					18	18	16	17	18	8855
NEW	19	Funny Familiar Forgotten Feelings - Tom Jones					19	19	20	19	24	6945
13	20	Georgy Girl - The Seekers					22	21	21	26	22	5765
14	21	Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles					21	26	19	21	23	5680
23	22	Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd					20	24	22	22	19	5570
30	23	Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas					23=	20	26	24	26	4575
NEW	24	Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck					23=	24	24	20	28	4505
15	25	This Is My Song - Petula Clark					26	29	23	23	27	3540
22	26	Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd					25		25	27	20	2835
19	27	Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican					27	26	27	28	25	2810
NEW	28	The Boat That I Row - Lulu					29	22		25		2400
21	29	Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					28	28	28	30	21	2300
25	30	Al Capone - Prince Buster					30	23	30	29	29	2220
		There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits							29			500
		Maroc 7 - The Shadows						30				200
		You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five									30	85

[Splodj]

So as the record probably didn't make the top ten on first release (well it didn't in RR) so I guess the BBC chart probably didn't have it in.

You can see where it peaked on post 239.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 15th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 15th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					1	1	1	1	1	19050
4	2	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					2	2	2	2	3	18330
11	3	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					4	4	3	4	4	17395
1	4	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					3	3	5	3	2	17365
14	5	Ha ! Ha! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					6	6	4	6	6	16375
3	6	This Is My Song - Harry Secombe					5	5	6	5	5	16260
5	7	Simon Smith and His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set					7	7	8	8	7	14890
8	8	It's All Over - Cliff Richard					8=	8	7	9	9	14670
6	9	I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith					8=	9	9	7	8	14255
18	10	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					10	11	10	10	11	13050
7	11	Edelweiss - Vince Hill					11	10	11	11	10	12985
17	12	Bernadette - The Four Tops					12	12	12	12	13	11980
13	13	Georgy Girl - The Seekers					14	15	13	18	14	10445
10	14	Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles					13	16	15	13	12	10415
9	15	This Is My Song - Petula Clark					15	14	17	14	18	9705
30	16	I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens					16	13	16	16	21	9700
25	17	Happy Together - The Turtles					17	19	14	15	19	9270
20	18	Because I Love You - Georgie Fame					18	17	18	19	15	8610
12	19	Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican					19	21	19	17	17	7590
27	20	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					20=	18	20	21	25	6860
19	21	Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					20=	20	22	20	16	6825
28	22	Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd					23	24	21	22	26	5225
23	23	Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd					22	24	24	23	20	4885
15	24	There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits					24	30	23	24	23	3580
22	25	Al Capone - Prince Buster					25	27	28	27	22	2715
NEW	26	Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas And Papas					29	22	30	29		2250
21	27	Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes					27		25	30	24	2195
16	28	On A Carousel - The Hollies					26		26	26	27	2090
NEW	29	I Can Hear The Grass Grow - The Move					28	23		28	30	1985
NEW	30	Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas					30	29	29	25		1500
		Give It To Me - The Troggs							27		29	1170
		Hi Ho Silver Lining - Jeff Beck						26				1000
		You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five						28			28	855

[Graham76man]

I think Leader of The Pack fell into the "death disc" thing, that was popular in the early 60's - Johnny Remember Me etc. It was the Church of England that told the BBC that these discs shouldn't be played. So they didn't.
Back then I think Fluff only had to play the top ten in full. So as the record probably didn't make the top ten on first release (well it didn't in RR) so I guess the BBC chart probably didn't have it in. Then he didn't have to play it! Hence the "pick" thing.

Having a top ten record was the only way you could get a record played for sure on the BBC. Though you might think that sending in a request for record on the "request shows" would also get the record played. But that was never the case. The BBC simply selected the records it wanted to play, then trawled through the sack of requests for the same records! Of course there were plenty.

[Graham76man]

TOTP could get away with playing things as it was on at 7.30, when young kids were in bed, back then. Radio however was much stricter.

[Splodj]

That's a possible candidate.

The only way to discover if it was banned would be to find a recording (or track listing) of the 31-Jan-65 POTP to see if it was played as a Top 20 new entry, as it never made the Top 10.

Edit: 'Leader Of The Pack' was featured as the second act on the 4-Feb-65 edition of Top Of The Pops.

[MrTibbs]

I think, if I remember correctly, that the BBC didn't play Leader Of The Pack by The Shangri-Las back on release in 1965 as it was considered to be in poor taste but I can't remember if POTP played it or not back then.

[Splodj]

Up until 1969, when the Birkin / Gainsbourg and Max Romeo songs charted, I cannot recall any record being banned from the chart section on POTP.

[MrTibbs]

Strange, above message repeated itself 5 times.

[MrTibbs]

On the record, the intro says, 'this is the story of the seven drunken nights but we're only allowed to sing five of them' so we never get to hear what the remaining two were.

But if you listen to the full live version on you tube you can hear all seven of them

[Graham76man]

The last two 'drunken' nights which were omitted are very tame by today's standard.

What do you mean by that? Removed from the BBC's chart?
I always thought they just didn't play the records when it came to the chart show. Hence the title "Pick of the Pops" this insured that "banned" subjects didn't get played and avoided the USA top 40 style of show, which was really looked down on. Fluff could thus "pick" what could be played!

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

The last two 'drunken' nights which were omitted are very tame by today's standard.

Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending April 8th 1967. Enjoy !

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending April 8th 1967								NME	MM	DISC	RR	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey				Stores	200	250	100	85	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart				BBC			TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck					1	1	2	3	1	18600
7	2	Somethin' Stupid - Frank and Nancy Sinatra					2	3	1	2	2	18465
2	3	This Is My Song - Harry Secombe					3	2	5	1	3	17680
6	4	Puppet On A String - Sandie Shaw					4	4	3	4	4	17395
4	5	Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear - The Alan Price Set					5	5	4	6	5	16660
5	6	I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman - Whistling Jack Smith					6	7	6	5	6	15775
3	7	Edelweiss - Vince Hill					8	6	7	7	7	15440
14	8	It's All Over - Cliff Richard					7	8	8	8	11	14350
8	9	This Is My Song - Petula Clark					9	10	10	9	9	13520
9	10	Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles					10	12	11	11	8	12755
NEW	11	A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees					11	8	14	10	14	12395
11	12	Memories Are Made Of This - Val Doonican					12	14	9	13	12	12315
10	13	Georgy Girl - The Seekers					13	13	12	14	10	11835
NEW	14	Ha ! Ha ! Said The Clown - Manfred Mann					14	11	13	12	17	11590
13	15	There's A Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits					15	15	18	19	15	9010
12	16	On A Carousel - The Hollies					16	17	17	18	16	8875
30	17	Bernadette - The Four Tops					18	16	19	16	25	8010
29	18	Purple Haze - The Jimi Hendrix Experience					19=	23	15	17	22	7765
21	19	Touch Me, Touch Me - Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich					17	18	21	21	13	7630
27	20	Because I Love You - Georgie Fame					19=	19	20	15	23	7430
17	21	Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes					21	27	16	20	20	6585
22	22	Al Capone - Prince Buster					22	24	25	22	18	4905
24	23	Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd					24	26	26	24	21	3800
15	24	Detroit City - Tom Jones					23	21	30	26	19	3770
NEW	25	Happy Together - The Turtles					25	22	27	25	27	3740
18	26	Give It To Me - The Troggs					26	27	24	30	24	3245
NEW	27	Seven Drunken Nights - The Dubliners					27	25	28	23		2750
25	28	Arnold Layne - Pink Floyd					29		22	27		2650
19	29	I'm A Believer - The Monkees					28	20			28	2455
NEW	30	I'm Gonna Get Me A Gun - Cat Stevens							23			2000
		I'll Try Anything - Dusty Springfield					30	29	29	28	26	1625
		You Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five						30			29	370
		Jimmy Mack - Martha and The Vandellas								29		200
		I Can't Make It - The Small Faces									30	85

[MrTibbs]

I'm currently working on 1968 so it won't be long now till I delve back to give you 60 -63.
Given I'm way ahead do you guys still want just one chart a day or some days do you want a couple of charts ?

[MrTibbs]

Brain thanks for noticing that. I have amended those to keep the chart 100% accurate. For Dusty I must have tapped a 1 instead of 2.

[Graham76man]

I don't think the BBC would have considered such rules. It seems they saw the charts as equal, it was only tied number ones that caused a problem for TOTP. They had to play the number one and they couldn't have loads of best sellers!
My suggestion was that you can use a different system to straighten out charts, not the merits of such charts or the faults of them.

[Graham76man]

I have found points based best selling "year" charts to be useless. Some records sell huge amounts but don't even get top ten on the weekly chart and number ones on sales based charts can be found outside the top 100 at the end of the year.

[braindeadpj]

I noticed a couple of typos. In the 11th of March chart, you have two no. 15's for the last week positions. Dusty Springfield at 19 'this week' was at 25 last week.
In the 18th of March chart, The Casinos were a re-entry at no.26 and not a new entry.

It's interesting how variable the points required to be in the top 30 are. One week you had three songs in the breakers on 1000 points and the following week 1000 points were enough to be at the no.29 position. I guess this isn't really that surprising as we know that the number of sales required to appear in the current charts are variable from week to week.
A year-end chart based on the points received during the year could be worthwhile - though in all likelihood it will be similar to an inverse points one - though 'weaker' no.1s (i.e. those that weren't no.1 in all charts at the same time) may be downplayed slightly.... Of course this does then raise the question of what you count as the year as the chart is always a reflection of the previous week and not the dated week... Or do you adopt a Billboard-type scenario where you begin/end at the start of December -ostensibly for publication reasons - though also to not underplay the importance of the Christmas weeks (traditionally a time of big sales).

[MrTibbs]

Because the chart positions from the music papers are averaged in the same way as the BBC did the foundation for The Ultimate Averaged Chart is similar up to that point so many positions will remain largely the same and I see that as positive.
However as we have already seen on many occasions the BBC chart is strewn with errors, ties, and anomalies, so not a robust averaged chart to define the times.
By adding the extra layer of store returns to proportionately weigh the music paper charts a stage further enhances the result to give a clearer more defined averaged chart correcting anomalies and ties.
So yeah it will be similar, but much more accurate and robust.

[Splodj]

Graham, to "reduce the effect of Retailer's messy chart" the BBC could have applied this odd-one-out rule: 'If only one chart has a position more than 4 places adrift from any other it will be ignored'. In effect the BBC were already applying this as their odd-one-out policy for number one (because the problem only arose when RR placed something lower than number 4 that was number 1 elsewhere) and I think it would have been fairer to apply it to the whole chart.