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  • Until Acker Bilk, Frankie Laine held the record for consecutive week chart residency, 36 weeks for I Believe in 1953, Only NME of course compiled a record chart at that time and it was only a Top 12 with much less competition.

    Still to date, I Believe is the all time record holder for weeks at the top of the singles chart. 18 weeks. A few have got within striking distance but fell at the last hurdle. It was in 3 runs at the top though, 9 weeks, 6 weeks, and 3 weeks.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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    • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 9th 1961

      The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 9th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
      Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
      Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
      3 1 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
      2 2 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 2 3 2 2 2 4 9430
      1 3 His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 3= 4 3 3 3 2 9190
      5 4 Moon River - Danny Williams 3= 2 4 4 4 5 9040
      4 5 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 5 6 6 5 5 3 8500
      6 6 The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 6 10 5 6 6 6 7990
      8 7 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 8 5 7 8 10 8 7790
      7 8 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 7 9 8 7 7 7 7700
      11 9 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 9 8 10 10 8 9 7220
      13 10 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 10 7 9 11 11 10 7070
      9 11 The Savage - The Shadows 11 12 11 9 9 11 6840
      18 12 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 12 11 13 14 12 16 5950
      24 13 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 14 15 12 19 14 19 4950
      12 14 Runaround Sue - Dion 13 13 13 13 13 4860
      14 15 Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles 15 18 18 16 16 17 4640
      10 16 When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 17 24 16 12 12 4120
      15 17 Mexicali Rose - Karl Denver 19 20 18 17 14 3520
      21 18 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 16 25 17 15 15 3300
      NEW 19 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 17 15 20 3290
      NEW 20 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 18 21 15 19 3160
      NEW 21 Charleston - The Temperance Seven 16 14 2220
      NEW 22 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 23 17 1480
      NEW 23 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 20 14 1360
      NEW 24 I Love How You Love Me - Jimmy Crawford 28 20 18 1180
      26 25 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 18 1040
      RE 26 Let True Love Begin - Nat King Cole 28 19 960
      RE 27 Everlovin' - Ricky Nelson 20 23 900
      23 28 I'm A Moody Guy - Shane Fenton and The Fentones 18 25 830
      17 29 You Must Have Been A Beatiful Baby - Bobby Darin 22 28 810
      NEW 30 Bambino - The Springfields 27 20 650
      Moon River - Henry Mancini 25 480
      Sucu Sucu - Laurie Johnson 21 300
      This Time - Troy Shondell 22 270
      Tall Dark Stranger - Rose Brennan 28 240
      Let's Get Together - Hayley Mills 24 210
      Creole Jazz / Stars And Stripes - Mr. Acker Bilk 26 150
      Wild Wind - John Leyton 27 120
      I Understand - The G-Clefs 29 60
      Bless You - Tony Orlando 30 30
      The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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      • Jimmy Crawford charts with I Love How You Love Me while the superior Paris Sisters original is ignored here
        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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        • Talking about the longest running number one, the original version of 'Bambino' by Dalida spent 45 weeks at number one in France. A world record?

          The Springfield's were soon to become the first British group to make the Billboard Top 20 with 'Silver threads and golden needles' which appears to have flopped in the UK.

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          • Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
            Yeah I deliberately choose not to use it for the very reason Robbie mentions above, that you cannot use the comment as a quote to expand on a topic.
            I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died, I assume that site supporters can't comment on their own posts, hence why Robbie in that instance couldn't comment.

            Having just posted this post, I find that my last statement to be incorrect, as the comment option does appear on my own posts. This means that you could add a comment to somebody else's comment, you just need to add something like: "re:name" to the comment as it won't let you quote directly. If you can't comment and you are allowed, then contact UKMIX and report a fault.
            Last edited by Graham76man; Thu March 4, 2021, 13:47. Reason: Extra information
            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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            • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

              I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died, I assume that site supporters can't comment on their own posts, hence why Robbie in that instance couldn't comment.
              I can comment on my own post (I've just tried it, I didn't even think of doing that to be honest!) but I don't know if it sends a notification to yourself. I'm assuming it doesn't, in which case you wouldn't know I had replied to your comment.

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              • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                Talking about the longest running number one, the original version of 'Bambino' by Dalida spent 45 weeks at number one in France. A world record?

                The Springfield's were soon to become the first British group to make the Billboard Top 20 with 'Silver threads and golden needles' which appears to have flopped in the UK.
                Sounds likely although I remember reading around the turn of the century that Elton John's re-recorded 'Candle In The Wind' to mark the Princess of Wales' passing had racked up 45 weeks at No 1 in Canada druing 1997-'99! I have not checked this so don't know if it was correct, whether it was using Canada's official chart, whether it was consecutive or aggregated, etc. But if it is, it would at least match the tenure of 'Bambino' in France.

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                • ^

                  According to Nanda Lwin's Canadian Chart Book Elton's single spent a total of 45 (non-consecutive) weeks at No.1 on the SoundScan Top 200 singles chart (beginning on 21/9/97).

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                  • Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                    I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died,
                    If a lot more posts have been written the comment is more likely to be missed. I have seen some of your comments only weeks later when I happened to be looking back at an old page. I think the best way of replying is in a new post, with the bit you are replying to quoted at the top.

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                    • Originally posted by Splodj View Post
                      Talking about the longest running number one, the original version of 'Bambino' by Dalida spent 45 weeks at number one in France. A world record?
                      Well it certainly wasn't going to be ABBA and Waterloo that spent the longest at the top of the French charts

                      I couldn't say about the longest at the top for a world record. I did a Google search and all you get is UK and USA number ones, expanded it to World and it turns into Tennis results. Even the Guinness World records site has no results, except the UK and USA ones.

                      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                      • On the 9th December chart, Nat King Cole is a re-entry.

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                        • Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                          On the 9th December chart, Nat King Cole is a re-entry.
                          Corrected
                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                          • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 16th 1961

                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 16th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                            Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                            Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                            1 1 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                            4 2 Moon River - Danny Williams 3 2 2 3 3 2 9410
                            2 3 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 2 3 3 2 2 3 9400
                            9 4 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 4 5 5 5 4 7 8570
                            3 5 His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 5 8 4 4 5 5 8510
                            12 6 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 6 4 7 8 8 14 7790
                            8 7 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 9 11 6 9 9 4 7430
                            5 8 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 8 16 8 6 7 6 7280
                            6 9 The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 7 13 16 7 6 9 6890
                            10 10 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 10 6 12 13 11 10 6750
                            19 11 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 12 7 14 11 13 11 6640
                            7 12 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 11 10 15 12 12 13 6220
                            18 13 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 13 12 13 14 10 8 6210
                            20 14 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 14 14 10 10 15 20 6060
                            11 15 The Savage - The Shadows 16 18 9 15 14 12 5540
                            NEW 16 Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson 15 8 11 17 19 27 5300
                            NEW 17 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury 18= 19 18 19 18 3710
                            14 18 Runaround Sue - Dion 17 25 16 17 15 3310
                            23 19 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 18= 15 20 2490
                            16 20 When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 29 18 18 1980
                            22 21 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 20 20 23 1780
                            13 22 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 20 24 16 17 1730
                            21 23 Charleston - The Temperance Seven 22 20 29 1440
                            24 24 I Love How You Love Me - Jimmy Crawford 27 20 21 1170
                            NEW 25 Baby's First Christmas - Connie Francis 27 17 1160
                            25 26 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 17 30 1150
                            30 27 Bambino - The Springfields 25 16 930
                            NEW 28 Mrs. Mills Medley - Mrs. Mills 21 800
                            NEW 29 Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka 22 720
                            NEW 30 Son This Is She - John Leyton 19 720
                            I Understand - The G-Clefs 30 19 440
                            Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles 22 270
                            Mexicali Rose - Karl Denver 24 210
                            This Time - Troy Shondell 25 180
                            Creole Jazz / Stars And Stripes - Mr. Acker Bilk 26 150
                            Susu Sucu - Nina and Frederick 28 90
                            September In The Rain - Dinah Washington 30 80
                            The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                            • A contender for the longest run at #1 in any national chart would be Trine Dyrholm, a Danish singer/songwriter/actress, and the song "Avenuen" (Mr. Nice Guy EP) which entered the Danish Top 20 in December 2004. The first half of 2005 it was in and out of the Top 20, but during the second half of 2005 it started to progress, and on Sept. 9th 2005 it reached the pole position for the first time.
                              The longest span (of 11 occasions) at # 1 was 18 weeks in late 2006 and the beginning of 2007. When the Danish charts officially began to include downloads by November 2007 its days were counted. But in the span of almost three years it spent 62 non-consecutive weeks at #1, a total of 135 weeks in the Top 20, and 151 weeks in the not openly published Top 50.
                              This was a time when singles sales were very low and beta charts including downloads from 2006-2007 tells a different story. According to those charts it notched up 41 weeks of which 6 weeks were spent at # 1. Last appearance in this chart was Jan. 19th 2007.

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                              • ^ Off-topic really but some fascinating stats there! I was vaguely aware of this record having had a significant stranglehold in the Danish charts for a long time in the '00s but wasn't cognisant of just how long that was, albeit of course down in part to the steep decline in physical CD sales and digital downloads being yet to be counted in their official chart.

                                Back to the Sixties (sorry didn't mean to make a naff eighties Tight Fit reference there!) - I have a completed list of the known/believed official million-selling singles in the UK on paid-for sales which includes various pieces of key information about each single. I say "complete" as it's not quite there for a few entries - I always include the original release date, which I've not managed to pin down for 'Stranger On The Shore' (which according to OCC's Feb '20 update was the 95th biggest-seller at around 1.19m). As it first appears in charts week-ending Sat 2 Dec '61 I have assumed it was Nov. As its maiden appearance on the UAC works out as high as No 18, can I safely assume that its release date was Fri 24 Nov '61 as its first two days of sales would've been sufficient to land it at such a high combined position first week?

                                Thanks.

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                                • Wikipedia says 'Stranger on the shore' was released in October, although provides no source. The TV series started on 24th September https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/81def5f2...9d62fb18db9037 so this is possible. On the other hand it is also possible that with the TV exposure demand could have built up sufficiently for it to reach the charts on 2 days sales.

                                  The description of number one as 'pole position' reminds me of the Big L Top 40 show when Tony Windsor would say: "We start with the record at our anchor position."

                                  Mrs Mills first appearance this week, in the good old British pub-type pianist tradition of Winifred Atwell and Russ Conway.

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                                  • Release date 24th November means only 2 days of sales for inclusion in w/e 2nd December chart, release date 17th November means 9 days of sales.

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                                    • 17 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury

                                      Not to be confused with the Seeker's 1965 hit "I'll Never Find Another You".

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                                      • Originally posted by brian05 View Post
                                        17 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury

                                        Not to be confused with the Seeker's 1965 hit "I'll Never Find Another You".
                                        I've got to say between 1961 and 1965 Billy recorded some standout chart hits. He was a class act and I think hugely undervalued. He could hold his own with the best of them between those years.
                                        The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                        • I've just finished compiling August 4th 1962 and 'Stranger' is still Top 20 on its 36th consecutive week there equalling Frankie Laine's record of 36 weeks in the Top 12 back in 1953 with I Believe, but it looks likely 'Stranger' will drop out next week. That said though Acker did it with lots more competition around.

                                          A lot has since been made of Sinatra's My Way record beating longevity but most of that was spent hovering around the lower reaches of the Top 50. He never came anywhere close to 36 weeks in the Top 20 though.

                                          I can't think off the top of my head though if anyone since Acker has spent 36 consecutive weeks in the Top 20 and is he still the last to hold that record, or does anyone know better ?
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                          • Wikipedia has 5 acts beating Acker's 45 consecutive weeks in the Top 40, but the earliest of these is in 2013. He is the only one with uninterrupted longevity from the era of high record sales.

                                            It is when you open it up to non-consecutive weeks that My Way does well, particularly as a non-Christmas recurrent.

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                                            • Billy also made made standout recordings that weren’t single hits.

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                                              • Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 23rd 1961

                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 23rd 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
                                                Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
                                                Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
                                                1 1 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
                                                2 2 Moon River - Danny Williams 2 2 3 2 2 2 9510
                                                6 3 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 3 3 2 3 3 6 9210
                                                4 4 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 4 5 4 5 4 5 8690
                                                3 5 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 5 6 5 4 5 3 8670
                                                11 6 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 6 6 6 6 6 4 8310
                                                16 7 Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson 7 4 8 9 8 15 7590
                                                13 8 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 9 11 11 10 9 7 6930
                                                10 9 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 10 8 10 12 13 12 6660
                                                14 10 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 8 13 19 8 7 11 6490
                                                7 11 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 12 9 9 14 15 9 6410
                                                5 12 His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 11 16 15 7 12 10 6380
                                                12 13 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 13 12 12 15 16 20 5500
                                                8 14 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 14 15 14 11 8 5190
                                                21 15 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 19 19 7 17 17 14 5150
                                                9 16 The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 16 22 16 13 14 13 4990
                                                20 17 When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 23 13 16 17 3790
                                                29 18 Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka 17 10 18 18 24 3320
                                                17 19 I'd Never Find Another You - Billy Fury 15 16 11 21 2500
                                                NEW 20 I Understand - The G-Clefs 20 18 19 2450
                                                19 21 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 16 20 2410
                                                24 22 I Love How You Love Me - Jimmy Crawford 17 19 26 2310
                                                26 23 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 20 13 25 1620
                                                22 24 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 21 18 1190
                                                30 25 Son This Is She - John Leyton 18 10 1050
                                                28 26 Mrs. Mills Medley - Mrs. Mills 20 30 910
                                                25 27 Baby's First Christmas - Connie Francis 29 19 760
                                                27 28 Bambino - The Springfields 25 23 720
                                                15 29 The Savage - The Shadows 28 16 690
                                                NEW 30 Multiplication - Bobby Darin 24 27 680
                                                Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren 30 20 630
                                                Charleston - The Temperance Seven 26 28 490
                                                Give Us A Kiss For Christmas - Lionel Bart 27 320
                                                Runaround Sue - Dion 22 270
                                                King Kong - Terry Lightfoot 30 80
                                                This Time - Troy Shondell 29 60
                                                The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                • As with Bobby Vee RR is yet again way off the mark with Acker Bilk who is Top 3 in all other charts but way down at 6 on RR. Thankfully averaging corrects this, smooths the charts out, and places the record correctly.
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.

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                                                  • Also, RR has Vee going up to 3 when it is going down elsewhere. And Boone, having entered at 11 last week, racing up to 4 when it is only at 6 elsewhere.

                                                    It is a mess on just about every position below the top 2.
                                                    Last edited by Splodj; Sat March 6, 2021, 12:42.

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