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  • RokinRobinOfLocksley
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    Wow, I'm getting jazzed for these upcoming RM expanded charts 1954-61, Brian. What you'll be doing is basically what the book Hits That Missed should have done, recompiled the whole RM charts, not just the uncharted bubblers, though that was a most excellent book in itself.

    I think we've discussed this before: should you (a) recompile the entire RM charts top to bottom, or (b) do all your compiling, but then keep the published RM chart as is for the upper part, and then add all the lower positions afterwards. Just something to think about.

    I am all for posting ALL chart positions each week, however many there are. This is history !! We need to see each record that appeared on any dealer chart, and give it its historical recognition. There is precedent for this already. If yall will recall, the BMRB album chart varied pretty much each week over 1970: first as a Top 20, but then total chaos, ha: as a Top 58+/-, then 47, 59, 60+/-, then 70+/-, back down to a 57+/-, before settling on a Top 50 in Jan 1971. Eventually expanding more in the years to come.

    But I do appreciate those who prefer a nice and tidy fixed number of positions each week. So for those that prefer a constant Top 50 (or whatever) each week, just pretend that's what you're looking at, ha. Lop off the lower positions in your mind, or, perhaps Brian can just separate the Top 50 from the all lower positions, a 2 part chart. This will satisfy everyone's needs, and keep all of history alive.

    From the little work I did on this years ago, there will be many ties at the low end. If Brian is dealing with 60 dealer charts, it's possible that 1/4 of the charts or more could have 1 record each that did not appear on any of the other charts. Thus these records will appear at the bottom of Brian's compiled RM chart, tied with many others in the same situation. But again, this is history, it needs to be recorded.

    Also glad that Brian will redo the 1954/55 charts as well. Expand expand expand !!

    I am also in favor of KEEPING the original RM 54/55 thread, and letting Brian create a new thread for 54/61. Even though Brian is producing better expanded charts, there are so many important comments and questions and history in that original thread that will be lost. Do any of you think it's OK to delete an old Alan Smith or Dave Taylor thread? Absolutely not, these comments and knowledge provided by so many others is vital to our chart understandings. It's better to re-title the old thread to distinguish it from the upcoming new thread than to delete it from our history.

    As whether to add NME positions in an extra side column (and possibly others as they appear in history?), that would be super groovy, if Brian wanted to swing that, and it's not too much extra work for him.

    Thanks again for all you're doing Brian, this is monumental historical stuff !!!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post

    Yes a big thank you to Brian for a) almost finishing this one off and b) contemplating the new one. I’ve been quite quiet the last few weeks (first wife then me with Covid and only just feeling myself again today) it I love that we have this project here and can’t wait to see the next one
    I escaped it for nearly two years Lonnie then because I'm a nurse working in the environment of people with it caught it in January of this year. If I didn't get tested weekly as a nurse I wouldn't have known I had it, I didn't have any symptoms at all luckily but I have seen others like yourself get thoroughly miserable with it (and worse) so I'm glad you and your wife have come through it ok and are feeling better now.

    At the end of this thread when all the remaining charts and 'bridging' charts are posted I'm gonna particularly thank all my supporters here and especially those who have helped to contribute to the success of the thread. Like I said earlier this was never a one man show and it would never have come to fruition without many guys here assisting, advising, correcting, and supporting. The end result is actually a team effort.

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  • MrTibbs
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    In the meantime we are into the last month of actual UAC as we reach December 1959.

    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 5th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 5th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    2 1 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 1 2 1 1 2 6315
    8 2 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 2 1 3 3 1 6290
    1 3 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 3 3 2 2 3 6100
    5 4 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 4 4 4 4 4 5805
    3 5 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 5 5 5 5 5 5590
    4 6 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 6 6 6 6 6 5375
    7 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7= 7 7 9 8 5010
    13 8 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 7= 8 8 8 7 5005
    6 9 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 9 9 9 11 10 4580
    10 10 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 11 10 11 13 8 4465
    9 11 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 10 11 10 7 13 4395
    15 12 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 12 12 17 12 11 3970
    24 13 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 13 13 13 19 14 3540
    12 14 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 14 25 12 10 20 2720
    22 15 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 16 14 16 19 2520
    16 16 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 15 15 15 18 2345
    18 17 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 17= 16 20 15 2230
    25 18 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 17= 18 12 2115
    29 19 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 19 22 14 17 1900
    21 20 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 20 28 18 15 1640
    11 21 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 21 14 1515
    30 22 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 30 20 17 1410
    14 23 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 17 1050
    28 24 Little Donkey - The Beverley Sisters 24 19 945
    NEW 25 San Miguel - Lonnie Donegan 19 900
    NEW 25 Bad Boy - Marty Wilde 16 900
    NEW 27 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 20 825
    NEW 28 Ivy Will Cling - Arnold Strang 18 780
    17 29 The Three Bells - The Browns 30 16 750
    27 30 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 23 600
    I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Johnnie Ray 26 375
    19 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 26 375
    San Miguel - The Kingston Trio 29 150
    If You Were The Only Boy In The World - Stevie Marsh 30 75
    20 Living Doll - Cliff Richard
    23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - Paul Evans and The Curls
    26 The Best Of Everything - Johnny Mathis

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    I’m fascinated by the possibilities that are ahead. It would be wrong to fix a number of positions first. The outcome of the material will prove what is sensible and I trust Brian to be the best judge of that. I expect that as with the Music Echo it may be necessary to change the number of positions between 54 and 61, perhaps even several times when the market changes. We may expect stable periods with relatively few hits and periods with competing trends where many hits get few points. It may even be weeks around Christmas when it would be interesting with a few weeks extra prolonged chart. Ranking also with relatively few points will give better information than a whole lot of B for breakers below each weeks chart. A big thank you Brian for doing this profoundly interesting project.
    Yes a big thank you to Brian for a) almost finishing this one off and b) contemplating the new one. I’ve been quite quiet the last few weeks (first wife then me with Covid and only just feeling myself again today) it I love that we have this project here and can’t wait to see the next one

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  • kjell
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    I’m fascinated by the possibilities that are ahead. It would be wrong to fix a number of positions first. The outcome of the material will prove what is sensible and I trust Brian to be the best judge of that. I expect that as with the Music Echo it may be necessary to change the number of positions between 54 and 61, perhaps even several times when the market changes. We may expect stable periods with relatively few hits and periods with competing trends where many hits get few points. It may even be weeks around Christmas when it would be interesting with a few weeks extra prolonged chart. Ranking also with relatively few points will give better information than a whole lot of B for breakers below each weeks chart. A big thank you Brian for doing this profoundly interesting project.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Guys I have to say I am liking what I am hearing from you thus far. As I had expected, excellent feedback above already on this topic and all your points to my mind are valid ones and so helpful to me as I formulate how I am going to approach this to make it spot on as a major innovative project. Thanks for this early feedback.

    If any other guys also wish to offer their thoughts on this too it will be gratefully received allowing me to fine tune this project and let you know before it starts on how I have incorporated all your input towards the final draft for compiling and posting.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    I’m happy to leave the original as that - the original. It seemed a purpose and is a historical record.

    I’d also make the first four or five charts and then decide on depth. After all we are saying that below XX position it might be unstable. Until it’s started you don’t know and we could all be wrong. It might be hugely stable down to 75 or terrible beyond 20

    I think we agree with your judgement as it’s always logical and reasoned.

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  • Robbie
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    I agree with Splodj that I'd prefer to see a fixed chart size (a top 30) unless extending it to a top 50 didn't include a number of tied positions with records on a very low amount of points. If records at the lower end of the top 50 were charting on a small number of points then there could be a lot of instability in the very lower reaches with wild chart movements for some records.

    As Splodj has also posted, it is something that you might not be able to decide on until you see how the reworked calculations look. A top 50 could be perfectly fine.

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  • Splodj
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    That sounds a great idea. I am wondering though whether it would be better to maintain the existing Top 30 and present the additional records in a separate section below labelled 'Next 20' or however many there are. This may be just a presentational nicety, but I like the integrity of the existing 30 and think this can best be maintained if separated from the low scores and ties that are likely to occur below. I suppose you cannot decide on something like this until you see how the reworked calculations look, but thought I would mention it as a possibility.

    One other thought. It would be good to include a column for NME positions from the beginning rather than only from 4-Dec-54.

    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Once I start to post these starting again in late 1954 I will ask Lonnie if the original thread can hopefully be removed from here to prevent confusion and allow the new postings to take precedence.
    There are some interesting comments on that thread it would be a pity to lose. Might it be better to keep it and attach a link on there to the new thread?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by kjell View Post
    Been away one and a half week on Norways southern shore having a preholiday with grandkids. Since the cabin is offline it’s on arrival home today I’m able to catch up with you Brian, and indeed it’s quite an enjoyment to return to. The quality, magnitude and design of your work is really amazing.
    I’ll enjoy your Christmas week extra charts while waiting for the RM extended which will make extremely interesting weekly charts and even more interesting chartruns.
    The problem with creating the extra charts is of course that the sales differences between the lowest positions are less than higher up and we don’t have these sales figures.
    Firstly many thanks to you and all the guys above for both the likes and supportive comments you have made on this project thus far. These really are much appreciated coming from my peers.

    Secondly I really am anxious now to get the RM extended chart underway and as soon as some travel stability is reinstated I will be up and running.

    It's gonna be a much bigger project of course in terms of using raw data and inputing to a larger chart. The UAC at most used 5 charts. The extended RM chart will be using around 60 charts requiring to be input, analysed, and in some cases even tweaked a bit, like when one song is listed at a position by combined artists, so hugely labour intensive.

    But what an outcome lies in store. Currently only the NME has an extended chart for this period of 30 places. My RM chart will considerably surpass that limit, at least a Top 50 initially and probably well beyond that as the decade progresses. I'm already excited at the thought of all the new hits that will be given credit for the first time with a chart place, and acts we thought never charted appearing on the roll of honour at last.

    The chart length will vary week on week because I intend to give every record the right to chart down to even
    1 point from 60 stores. Every record that made those 60 or so charts. What a feast.

    Naturally there will be lots of ties at the bottom end of the chart especially but I don't think this will bother you too much.

    Lastly and I hope you don't mind but although way back I compiled the 54/55 RM years this was pretty basic and simple using just a notebook and a calculator and a chart cut off point of 20 and 30 positions. These were posted in a thread here.
    I'm going back to the beginning again to re-visit these by using a spreadsheet and fully expanding these charts too to cover every record that made all the dealer charts. This re-visit makes sense as it will deliver a consistent extended RM chart all presented together in the same format, properly checked to cover the years 54 to 61.

    So the immediate good news for you is this. While I wait a couple of months or so realistically to get to London again, transport willing (sooner if fate allows), I can actually start this exercise in a couple of weeks once the UAC project is complete and I have a few days to prepare. Once I start to post these starting again in late 1954 I will ask Lonnie if the original thread can hopefully be removed from here to prevent confusion and allow the new postings to take precedence.

    What a chart this will be for the future. RM in all its glory. The way it was meant to be compiled.

    Is this how you fellow chart enthusiasts see my ideas on this as the way forward too ?

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  • kjell
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    Been away one and a half week on Norways southern shore having a preholiday with grandkids. Since the cabin is offline it’s on arrival home today I’m able to catch up with you Brian, and indeed it’s quite an enjoyment to return to. The quality, magnitude and design of your work is really amazing.
    I’ll enjoy your Christmas week extra charts while waiting for the RM extended which will make extremely interesting weekly charts and even more interesting chartruns.
    The problem with creating the extra charts is of course that the sales differences between the lowest positions are less than higher up and we don’t have these sales figures. That means that the in between averages will include an element of insecurity, but I’m certain that your experience from doing the UAC has made you extremely well qualified to continue to handle these challenges.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 28th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 28th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    4 2 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 2 2 2 2 2 6235
    3 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 4 5 3 3 5875
    2 4 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 4 3 4 4 5 5820
    8 5 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 5 5 3 6 6 5555
    6 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 5 6 11 8 5105
    7 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7 7 8 9 7 5035
    21 8 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 8= 8 7 13 4 4995
    5 9 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 8= 9 9 5 9 4910
    15 10 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson * 14 11 11 15 10 4180
    9 11 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 11 12 18 7 18 3740
    11 12 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 10 20 10 8 12 3735
    19 13 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 12 13 17 16 11 3715
    13 14 Broken- Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 13 10 15 18 15 3680
    14 15 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 15 14 20 14 13 3505
    18 16 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 17 17 12 19 16 3155
    10 17 The Three Bells - The Browns 16 15 13 12 2685
    16 18 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 18 17 10 1995
    12 19 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 16 20 1620
    17 20 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 24 19 17 1575
    23 21 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 19 27 14 1320
    NEW 22 Piano Party - Winifred Atwell 22 16 1200
    NEW 23 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - Paul Evans and The Curls 25 19 1170
    20 24 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 19 900
    NEW 25 Little White Bull - Tommy Steele 17 840
    NEW 26 The Best Of Everything - Johnny Mathis 30 19 795
    29 27 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 21 750
    25 28 Little Donkey - The Beverley Sisters 23 600
    NEW 29 Deck Of Cards - Wink Martindale 20 14 595
    NEW 30 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 26 375
    22 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 28 225
    30 Nashville Boogie - Bert Weedon 29 150
    24 Always - Sammy Rurner
    26 Mr Blue - David Macbeth
    27 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty
    28 The Village Of St. Bernadette - Anne Shelton
    * Record Mirror made a mistake this week and omitted Sandy Nelson Teen Beat which should have been #10. I have corrected this placing Sandy at #10 and pushed all other previous records from The Avons down one place. The BBC did not include the missing Teen Beat in their calculation.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

    Hear Hear. Your achievement will go down in chart afficionado history (or at least it should!).

    A better representation of the music scene than was previously available from any single chart between 1955 to 1969 making the most of the (limited) available data and of course all the 'rules' are evident from the outset.
    Peace .. that elusive word, ever spoken, never enacted.

    I had planned on going to London next week to collect the remaining RM dealer charts for the next big project to get my teeth into but need to hold off a bit. When I was in London briefly two weeks ago for the ABBA show I flew down with BA Saturday morning and was flying back Sunday night. Late on Friday night BA cancelled the return flight at short notice and I spent an hour and managed to get a flight back with Easy Jet for the Sunday night. So all was well, not, at 3.30 Sunday morning Easy Jet cancelled their flight too. So I had to hot foot it to Euston and scramble to get a remaining train seat home.

    On top of that we now of course have the rail dispute and strikes. So as both flights and rail is unreliable at present, at best, I need to hold off. I want to know I can reliably get there and back as arranged without last minute cancellations. This is what we have come to in this country.

    But rest assured soon as I will be down to get the data for a RM Top 50, 75, maybe even a hundred. So be patient with me

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Yes we are almost there with just 5 charts to go but it will last a few charts longer because like I promised I will then post all the applicable end of year 'bridging' charts where one was not compiled to give a more definitive UAE.

    Yeah this project has been a Herculean task like you say, 2 years of daily pouring over music paper charts, deliberating, correcting errors and inconsisties, compiling them and checking them before daily postings.
    But, it has been such a pleasure to undertake and Im so glad I did. The experience was made all the better by having 24+ guys following my chart child from birth in the mid fifties to 1969 every day of its life.

    I believe I leave something unique and hope you agree.
    Hear Hear. Your achievement will go down in chart afficionado history (or at least it should!).

    A better representation of the music scene than was previously available from any single chart between 1955 to 1969 making the most of the (limited) available data and of course all the 'rules' are evident from the outset.

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  • Splodj
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    I started listening to POTP in 1962 and never noticed the references to the contributory music papers. As far as I knew it was simply the chart.

    In 1965 the lady who gave me a lift to school left out the Daily Sketch for me read and I was grateful to be able to see the NME chart in advance of POTP. But one week the Sketch said 'For Your Love' was number one and I was then surprised to see that TOTP said it was 'Concrete And Clay'. (My memory is that it was outright number one in the Sketch's NME chart, not tied atop as in the NME publication itself that week.) This started me wondering how the BBC chart was compiled and if there was a better way of doing it. I've been waiting a long time for this thread!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yes we are almost there with just 5 charts to go but it will last a few charts longer because like I promised I will then post all the applicable end of year 'bridging' charts where one was not compiled to give a more definitive UAE.

    Yeah this project has been a Herculean task like you say, 2 years of daily pouring over music paper charts, deliberating, correcting errors and inconsisties, compiling them and checking them before daily postings.
    But, it has been such a pleasure to undertake and Im so glad I did. The experience was made all the better by having 24+ guys following my chart child from birth in the mid fifties to 1969 every day of its life.

    I believe I leave something unique and hope you agree.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    The top 2 lockdown is finally broken in Record Mirror.
    I reckon Bobby Darin must have come pretty close on at least some of these weeks.

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post

    ​​​​Anyway ... with the final two number ones now in the chart I am beginning to get a bit sad that the end is nigh.
    Yes - but what a mammoth project it’s been!

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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    the BBC chart is compiled using only the NME Top 20
    Were they right to do this? My view is that if the NME 21-30 positions are there you may as well use them.

    ​​​But it could be argued that as the others are only 20s it is fairer to treat everything below 20 equally. As I understand it the UAC itself uses this principle when the boot is on the other foot, so to speak, and NME is the smallest chart. Although I suppose you could say there is a stronger case for ignoring positions 31-50 (as being less reliable) than 21-30.

    ​​​​Anyway ... with the final two number ones now in the chart I am beginning to get a bit sad that the end is nigh.

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  • Robbie
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    The top 2 lockdown is finally broken in Record Mirror.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 21st 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders


    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 21st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 4 6115
    3 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 4 3 4 2 5960
    5 4 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 4 3 6 3 3 5915
    4 5 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 5 6 5 5 5 5515
    6 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 5 4 9 6 5385
    8 7 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 7 7 9 7 7 5090
    14 8 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 8 10 7 13 8 4605
    7 9 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 9 11 8 6 14 4450
    10 10 The Three Bells - The Browns 10= 9 11 12 12 4345
    12 11 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 10= 17 10 8 9 4140
    9 12 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 12 8 17 11 15 4075
    11 13 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 14 11 15 19 12 3740
    20 14 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 13 15 14 17 10 3685
    19 15 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 15 16 16 15 11 3570
    13 16 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 17 14 10 17 3060
    17 17 Living Doll - Ciff Richard 16 13 12 14 2780
    26 18 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 18 18 13 20 2265
    29 19 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 19 23 16 16 2175
    22 20 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 21 19 19 1890
    NEW 21 What Do You Want - Adam Faith 20 18 18 1755
    15 22 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 21 18 1335
    NEW 23 More And More Party Pops - Russ Conway 25 20 835
    23 24 Always - Sammy Turner 26 18 830
    NEW 25 Little Donkey - The Beverly Sisters 20 825
    27 26 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 23 600
    21 27 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 30 20 570
    NEW 28 The Village Of St. Bernadette - Anne Shelton 27 300
    NEW 29 Little Donkey - Gracie Fields 28 225
    NEW 30 Nashville Boogie - Bert Weedon 29 150
    16 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino
    18 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas
    24 China Tea - Russ Conway
    25 Someone - Johnny Mathis
    28 Count On Me - Shirley Bassey
    30 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Musoic Of The Mountains

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah sometimes when the NME position is in front of you your mind absorbs that in the calculation. It again just highlights the strange system the BBC adopted with the 'position 21' scenario, all equal when they couldn't be.

  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    * Again the BBC manuscript is wrong. Craig should be 17 on points 71 and Fats 18 on 72 points.
    I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about this. I suspect you forgot that the BBC chart is compiled using only the NME Top 20 so Fats gets 21 'points' for being outside the Top 20 and not 22 (its actual NME position), so both songs are on 71 points at equal 17. Surprisingly the BBC chart has been correct for the past 3 charts.
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Wed June 29, 2022, 02:57.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 14th 1959

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 14th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 75 35 45 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Travellin' Light - Cliff Richard 1 1 1 1 1 6450
    2 2 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 2 2 2 2 2 6235
    4 3 Red River Rock - Johnny and The Hurricanes 3 3 3 4 3 5975
    3 4 Sea Of Love - Marty Wilde 4 5 4 3 4 5775
    7 5 What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For - Emile Ford and The Checkmates 5 4 6 5 5 5630
    5 6 ('Til) I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers 6 6 5 9 6 5275
    9 7 Makin' Love - Floyd Robinson 7 9 7 7 8 4950
    10 8 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka 8 8 8 10 7 4915
    8 9 High Hopes - Frank Sinatra 9 10 13 6 9 4650
    6 10 The Three Bells - The Browns 10 11 10 8 11 4470
    11 11 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan 11 7 9 20 10 4325
    18 12 Mr Blue - Mike Preston 12 12 12 12 12 4085
    17 13 One More Sunrise (Morgen) - Dickie Valentine 13 16 14 11 14 3640
    NEW 14 Oh Carol - Neil Sedaka 14 13 11 17 2890
    12 15 Here Comes Summer - Jerry Keller 16 14 19 15 2775
    16 16 I Want To Walk You Home - Fats Domino 17 22 16 15 19 2640
    15 17 Living Doll - Cliff Richard 15 15 15 13 2570
    13 18 Only Sixteen - Craig Douglas 17 19 17 14 2155
    21 19 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson 19 18 13 2055
    NEW 20 Snow Coach - Russ Conway 24 18 16 1880
    14 21 Mona Lisa - Conway Twitty 20 17 16 1725
    NEW 22 Rawhide - Frankie Laine 25 18 1230
    NEW 23 Always - Sammy Turner 30 19 20 1155
    24 24 China Tea - Russ Conway 21 20 1135
    19 25 Someone - Johnny Mathis 28 17 855
    30 26 Poison Ivy - The Coasters 20 825
    20 27 Mr Blue - David Macbeth 23 600
    NEW 28 Count On Me - Shirley Bassey 18 585
    NEW 29 Seven Little Girls Sitting In The Back Seat - The Avons 26 375
    29 30 Honeymoon Song - Manuel and The Music Of The Mountains 27 300
    23 Peggy Sue Got Married - Buddy Holly 29 150
    22 Forty Miles Of Bad Road - Duane Eddy
    25 Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny
    26 Morgen - Ivo Robic
    27 Lonely Boy - Paul Anka
    28 Mack The Knife - Louis Armstrong

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Manuel and the Music of the Mountains is actually a re-entry. The last week positions for China Tea, Sleep Walk, and Poison Ivy all reflect the chart with position 26 missing.
    Thanks David those are duly corrected above and on the master spreadsheet.

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