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  • MrTibbs
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    Tony Burrows is already singing on #1 and #23 but next week a third record will appear featuring him singing on that too. I gotta own up to loving all three

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  • Robbie
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    The TOTP appearance on Thursday 12 February wouldn't have any effect on the chart until the following week (chart dated 21/02/70). The record had featured on TOTP 2 weeks earlier (29/01/70) and the following week the record moved 29-15.

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  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    I don't see anything strange about BMRB putting Canned Heat at number 3. It is just showing its normal characteristic of being ahead of the game. Let's see what NME & MM do next week. Similarly BMRB alone put Temma Harbour in the Top 10 last week, this week the others have caught up.

    I think the most predictable difference of a sales chart was fewer number ones. (It is easy to see how a points system produces more number ones through its levelling effect - awarding the best seller in each store only one more point than the runner up even if sales are double.) The faster speed of a sales chart was less predictable, in my view.
    Try a play of Canned Heat on the Thursday 12th February 1970 Top of The Pops that should see it jumping up the chart.
    As I have said before the BMRB is much more responsive to TOTP then the other two charts.

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  • Splodj
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    I don't see anything strange about BMRB putting Canned Heat at number 3. It is just showing its normal characteristic of being ahead of the game. Let's see what NME & MM do next week. Similarly BMRB alone put Temma Harbour in the Top 10 last week, this week the others have caught up.

    I think the most predictable difference of a sales chart was fewer number ones. (It is easy to see how a points system produces more number ones through its levelling effect - awarding the best seller in each store only one more point than the runner up even if sales are double.) The faster speed of a sales chart was less predictable, in my view.

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  • Robbie
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    ^
    Looking at its BMRB chart run in the next couple of weeks, the single did have impetus behind it. Maybe sales between numbers 3 to 10 were close that week. There had been no TOTP performance the previous week to propel last minute sales (the song had appeared on TOTP on 29/01/70 though).

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  • MrTibbs
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    Most charts places between the different charts are mostly just a few places out but BMRB are way out on a limb with Canned Heat at #3 and at #10 on both others.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 14th 1970

    Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 14th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 1 1 1 17250
    4 2 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 2 2 2 16675
    7 3 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 3 4 4 15725
    2 4 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 5 3 6 15325
    3 5 Come And Get It - Badfinger 4 5 5 15150
    15 6 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 6 7 8 13875
    9 7 I'm A Man - Chicago 8 6 9 13600
    5 8 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 7 8 7 13550
    17 9 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 10 10 3 12950
    6 10 Friends - Arrival 9 9 11 12400
    20 11 Venus - Shocking Blue 12 11 10 11425
    13 12 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 11 13 14 10625
    8 13 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 13 12 13 10600
    26 14 I Want You Back - The Jackson Five 14 14 12 10025
    10 15 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 15 16 15 8950
    14 16 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 17 17 19 7800
    19 17 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 16 18 20 7625
    18 18 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 18 15 23 7600
    12 19 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 21 19 17 6750
    11 20 Tracy - The Cuff Links 18 20 21 6600
    21 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 23 21 16 5975
    NEW 22 Wand'rin Star - Lee Marvin 20 24 18 5575
    NEW 23 My Baby Loves Lovin' - White Plains 22 29 22 3425
    16 24 Good Old Rock'n' Roll - The Dave Clark Five 27 23 27 3300
    29 25 Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 24 25 2900
    25 26 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 30 22 29 2700
    24 27 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 26 25 2000
    NEW 28 Elizabethan Reggae - Boris Gardner 25 28 1950
    NEW 29 Years May Come Years May Go - Herman's Hermits 26 24 1875
    22 30 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 27 28 1375
    23 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 26 625
    B Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam 28 600
    B United We Stand - The Brotherhood Of Man 29 400
    X Girlie - The Peddlers 30 250
    30 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 30 125
    27 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends
    28 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Northern scene is well represented around this time with a number of Northern discs making the chart. The Tams are just outside the chart too with Be Young Be Foolish Be Happy, massive in the Northern clubs.

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  • MrTibbs
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    .. and it will stay longer in the BMRB top thirty longer than NME or MM.

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  • Splodj
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    'Two Little Boys' staying up at 2 in BMRB looks a bit odd; it goes to 7 next week.

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  • Robbie
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    'Just A Little Misunderstanding' by The Contours is co-written by Stevie Wonder and dates back to 1966. It started life as the B side to a Smokey Robinson penned A side titled 'Determination'. It was the latest in a long line of Motown tracks to be re-released in this period. When did Northern Soul begin to take off? This is the sort of track that would have been big on the scene. It's an excellent track that just missed the BMRB top 30 (it peaked at #31).

    It's an important week for Motown as latest singing stars The Jackson 5 enter with 'I Want You Back'. It's still a great song.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Did the NME have something against Chelsea? 'The Liquidator' suddenly falls out their chart while still in the other Top 20s.
    Yeah another of those inexplicable anomalies where a record is high in two charts yet misses out on the third completely.

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  • Splodj
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    Did the NME have something against Chelsea? 'The Liquidator' suddenly falls out their chart while still in the other Top 20s.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 7th 1970

    Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 7th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 1 1 1 17250
    1 2 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 2 2 3 16550
    4 3 Come And Get It - Badfinger 3 4 5 15600
    10 4 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 6 3 4 15375
    2 5 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 4 6 2 15275
    5 6 Friends - Arrival 5 5 9 14450
    16 7 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 7 7 6 13925
    7 8 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 9 8 7 13150
    13 9 I'm A Man - Chicago 8 9 8 12975
    6 10 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 10 10 11 11950
    8 11 Tracy - The Cuff Links 11 12 14 10875
    9 12 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 14 11 12 10775
    18 13 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 13 13 13 10350
    12 14 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 12 14 17 9800
    30 15 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 15 16 10 9575
    11 16 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 17 15 18 8425
    28 17 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 16 21 15 7500
    29 18 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 18 19 25 6350
    24 19 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 20 23 16 6075
    27 20 Venus - Shocking Blue 19 22 21 5900
    21 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 21 17 28 5875
    14 22 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 24 20 22 5275
    15 23 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 23 24 19 4850
    17 24 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 18 20 4625
    25 25 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 25 25 27 3200
    NEW 26 I Want You Back - The Jackson Five 22 29 30 2425
    19 27 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 26 23 2250
    20 28 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 28 27 26 2225
    NEW 29 Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 26 28 1750
    22 30 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 29 30 24 1525
    23 Without Love - Tom Jones 27 29 1050
    X Girlie - The Peddlers 29 400
    26 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie

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  • Robbie
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    I've always liked 'Both Sides Now' by Judy Collins. I knew it before the Joni Mitchell original and whille it's a bit more lightweight than Joni's song it's still good.

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  • Splodj
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    BMRB again the first to identify the next undisputed number one. MM has a tie at 5.

    Re misses in 1969, 'Sweet Caroline' had been released in July!
    Last edited by Splodj; Sat July 17, 2021, 11:24.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Three outstanding new entries again this week from Jethro Tull, Shocking Blue, and the wonderful bluesy pounding Let's Work Together from Canned Heat, needless to say I bought all three

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 31st 1970

    Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 31st 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    5 1 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 1 1 3 17000
    1 2 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 2 2 2 16675
    15 3 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 3 3 1 16350
    7 4 Come And Get It - Badfinger 4 4 4 15525
    10 5 Friends - Arrival 5 5 8 14575
    2 6 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 6 7 5 14250
    3 7 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 8 5 7 14100
    4 8 Tracy - The Cuff Links 7 8 11 13050
    6 9 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 9 9 6 13025
    19 10 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 11 10 9 12000
    9 11 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 12 11 13 11050
    12 12 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 10 12 15 10950
    22 13 I'm A Man - Chicago 13 15 12 9975
    8 14 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 14 13 16 9775
    11 15 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 15 14 14 9575
    NEW 16 The Witch's Promise / Teacher - Jethro Tull 16 21 10 8125
    16 17 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 18 16 17 8100
    26 18 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 17 17 20 7675
    17 19 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 19 18 21 6900
    13 20 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 24 20 18 5775
    25 21 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 21 19 25 5750
    20 22 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 23 23 19 5100
    14 23 Without Love - Tom Jones 22 22 24 4925
    28 24 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 20 25 23 4700
    29 25 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 24 24 26 3775
    24 26 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie 30 26 27 1950
    NEW 27 Venus - Shocking Blue 26 28 30 1875
    NEW 28 Let's Work Together - Canned Heat 26 29 1250
    NEW 29 Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 28 30 28 1225
    NEW 30 Temma Harbour - Mary Hopkin 22 1125
    18 Yester-Me Yester-You Yesterday - Stevie Wonder 28 29 1100
    B Just A Little Misunderstanding - The Contours 27 1000
    21 Winter World Of Love - Engelbert Humperdinck
    23 The Onion Song - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    27 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival
    30 If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind - Cilla Black

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Does anyone have a record that shouid have been a hit in 1969 but wasn't?

    I'm a bit surprised about Peggy Lee's 'Is that all there is?'.
    Oh yeah, Peggy Lee should have scored with that.. while the likes of Rolf Harris, Karen Young, Des O' Connor etc stole chart places from others more worthy, such as

    Sammy Davis Jnr, I've Gotta Be Me
    Blood Sweat And Tears, And When I Die
    Classics IV, Traces
    Zombies, Time Of The Season

    To name but a few criminally overlooked

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  • Splodj
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    Does anyone have a record that shouid have been a hit in 1969 but wasn't?

    I'm a bit surprised about Peggy Lee's 'Is that all there is?'.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    But I think it is only fair to say that the other two charts must have seen which way the wind was blowing by now overall. In particular they would have been disheartened by BMRB being the first to identify new number ones. NME had lost its crown as the fastest, and MM was now the slackard.
    That said MM would be encouraged by the fact that most national newspapers were still carrying their chart therefore giving it continued national weight as the chart of choice. Similarly NME still had a healthy following and still the biggest selling weekly music paper so still giving their chart a healthy following. So as yet although gaining on them I don't think the BMRB chart was yet installed as the main chart of choice. Certainly by 1971 it was, as the panel of contributing shop diaries was much healthier and therefore a more robust chart was being compiled.

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  • MrTibbs
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    All 1970 to March 20th 1971 have been compiled and I'm now back working on the final phase of the original project, the actual UAC, April 1956 through 1959. It great to back back working on an actual chart rather than the '69 to '71 'fun' charts and I can say already these early years are shaping up nicely. You will have a Top 25 for 7th April 1956 then a full Top 30 from 14th April onwards.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 24th 1970

    Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 24th 1970 NME MM BMRB Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 200 250 125 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris 1 1 1 17250
    4 2 All I Have To Do Is Dream - Bobbie Gentry and Glen Campbell 3 3 4 15975
    5 3 Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town - Kenny Rogers and The First Edition 6 2 2 15875
    2 4 Tracy - The Cuff Links 2 5 5 15550
    9 5 Reflections Of My Life - The Marmalade 5 4 3 15450
    6 6 Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley 4 6 6 14775
    17 7 Come And Get It - Badfinger 7 7 8 13675
    3 8 Melting Pot - Blue Mink 8 8 10 12975
    8 9 Good Old Rock'n'Roll - The Dave Clark Five 9 10 7 12650
    18 10 Friends - Arrival 10 9 11 12200
    7 11 Sugar Sugar - The Archies 11 11 9 11750
    16 12 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross and The Supremes 12 12 14 10675
    12 13 Leavin' (Durham Town) - Roger Whittaker 14 13 19 9400
    11 14 Without Love - Tom Jones 13 15 17 9350
    NEW 15 Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse 15 16 12 9325
    14 16 The Liquidator - Harry J All Stars 16 14 15 9250
    21 17 Comin' Home - Delaney and Bonnie and Friends 18 17 16 7975
    10 18 Yester-Me Yester-You Yesterday - Stevie Wonder 17 18 24 6925
    NEW 19 Leaving On A Jet Plane - Peter Paul and Mary 24 19 13 6650
    20 20 But You Love Me Daddy / Snowflake - Jim Reeves 20 22 18 6075
    15 21 Winter World Of Love - Engelbert Humperdinck 21 21 22 5625
    NEW 22 I'm A Man - Chicago 22 23 20 5175
    13 23 The Onion Song - Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell 26 20 28 4125
    28 24 She Sold Me Magic - Lou Christie 26 24 25 3500
    NEW 25 Wedding Bell Blues - The Fifth Dimension 19 27 3400
    NEW 26 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations 22 28 26 3175
    19 27 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival 25 25 2700
    NEW 28 Hitchin' A Ride - Vanity Fare 29 29 23 1900
    NEW 29 Let It All Hang Out - Jonathan King 28 26 1850
    23 30 If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind - Cilla Black 30 21 1500
    29 Seventh Son - Georgie Fame 27 500
    X Good Morning Leapy Lee 29 250
    B Both Sides Now - Judy Collins 30 200
    B The Witch's Promise / Teacher- Jethro Tull 30 125
    22 (Call Me) Number One - The Tremeloes
    24 With The Eyes Of A Child - Cliff Richard
    25 The Highway Song - Nancy Sinatra
    26 Loneliness - Des O'Connor
    27 Love Is All - Malcolm Roberst
    30 Something / Come Together - The Beatles

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  • Graham76man
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    Just to let you know that Dave Taylor told me that he thought The Real Chart was very accurate and that he had even found evidence that the Official Charts Company were fiddling the charts. And that was the recent charts a few years before he died.

    As for the charts looking like one another in the top ten. Well you would expect that anyway. There's articles in all the papers done at the time saying that all the shops were stocking was the top 50. And I have seen numerous comments from people asking for a record only to be told it wasn't in the top 50 so we don't have it in stock.
    I wouldn't be at all surprised that if you put 30 points for the top record and 1 point for 30 for each three of the charts, you would get the same results in the top ten.
    Even the Real Chart is not that much different. With the exception of big sellers that are either in the other charts lower down or have been featured on top rated TV shows that week (not always TOTP). Records such as the Kinks at 17. And Edison Lighthouse already at 29 and Judy Collins at 30. No sign of them being in either of the 30's.

    If Mr Tibbs wanted to make these charts really good, he would have done his own research like asking people who worked at the papers about the weekly charts. Rather than rely on the work of others collecting general information on the operation of the charts. Making a house of cards at the expense of others opens one to attack. And for all those that defend you, there's an army of those that don't ready to pounce. And if you think I'm the only one Mr Tibbs you are

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  • Splodj
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    But I think it is only fair to say that the other two charts must have seen which way the wind was blowing by now overall. In particular they would have been disheartened by BMRB being the first to identify new number ones. NME had lost its crown as the fastest, and MM was now the slackard.

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