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  • braindeadpj
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    Anyone know what caused Brid Dog to leap from 4 (or 5) to 1 on 3 of the charts? Was it a TOTP performance?
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun May 1, 2022, 21:04.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    Yip ! Bird Dog makes it to the top of the UAC ! NME's surprisingly low chart placing not affecting it.

    I wonder, and I suppose it's a possibility, if NME counted returns from shops that listed both sides of Volare/Come Prima to give a #2 placing and then counted Volare in it's own right from the shops just listing that side on the returns
    That was kinda my thinking too, they both combined and separated it!

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  • brian05
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    Just noticed 4 versions of this song.

    4 Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini
    10 Volare - Dean Martin
    21 Volare - Domenico Modugno
    30 Volare - Charlie Drake (don't make me laugh)

    Volare is the Latin and Italian verb to fly.
    According to Wikipedia, it is the only foreign language song to win both the Grammy Award for the Record of the Year and Song of the Year in 1958.

    I bet you didn't know that.

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  • Robbie
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    'Bird Dog' gets to number 1! Although it's top under the 3 point rule, it's incredibly close on points anyway. NME is definitely out of kilter here.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    So they've made it! NMEs strange treatment of Marini continues, but pushing the Everlys down to 3 does not deprive them of enough unweighted points to enable them to top the BBC chart outright.

    First appearance of Eddie Cochran. Released in the USA in August, must have sounded somewhat unseasonal in November!
    Yip ! Bird Dog makes it to the top of the UAC ! NME's surprisingly low chart placing not affecting it.

    I wonder, and I suppose it's a possibility, if NME counted returns from shops that listed both sides of Volare/Come Prima to give a #2 placing and then counted Volare in it's own right from the shops just listing that side on the returns

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  • Splodj
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    So they've made it! NMEs strange treatment of Marini continues, but pushing the Everlys down to 3 does not deprive them of enough unweighted points to enable them to top the BBC chart outright.

    First appearance of Eddie Cochran. Released in the USA in August, must have sounded somewhat unseasonal in November!

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending November 1st 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending November 1st 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    4 1 Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers * 1 3 1 1 1 5570
    1 2 Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis * 2 1 2 2 2 5575
    2 3 Move It - Cliff Richard 3 4 3 3 3 5255
    5 4 Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini 4 2 6 6 4 5130
    3 5 King Creole - Elvis Presley 5 7 4 4 5 4875
    7 6 A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis 6 5 7 5 7 4770
    8 7 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards 7 6 5 9 6 4655
    6 8 Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails 8 8 8 7 8 4410
    15 9 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 9 9 9 8 9 4220
    9 10 Volare - Dean Martin 10 10 10 11 11 3890
    12 11 More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan 11= 13 13 13 10 3600
    13 12 Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson 11= 11 12 12 14 3555
    14 13 Western Movies - The Olympics 11= 12 11 14 12 3555
    21 14 My True Love - Jack Scott 14 18 14 10 13 3190
    10 15 Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw 15 15 15 16 17 2880
    11 16 When - The Kalin Twins 16 16 19 15 16 2815
    22 17 Moon Talk - Perry Como 19 22 16 19 20 2100
    23 18 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 17= 21 18 15 1935
    18 19 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Jodie Sands 17= 19 17 18 1910
    20 20 Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy 20 19 1435
    16 21 Volare - Domenico Modugno 20 17 20 1350
    17 22 Patricia - Perez Prado 23 17 1080
    NEW 23 Summertime Blues - Eddie Cochran 20 18 795
    NEW 24 I'll Get By - Connie Francis 24 455
    24 25 If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone 25 390
    29 26 More Than Ever - Robert Earl 26 325
    25 27 Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson 27 260
    19 28 Return To Me - Dean Martin 28 195
    26 29 Susie Darlin' - Robin Luke 29 130
    27 30 Volare - Charlie Drake 30 65
    * 3 Point Rule applied.
    Volare - Marino Marini 14
    28 Fever - Peggy Lee

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Strange how Marini was as high as joint 2 in NME despite them splitting him.
    Yeah that occurred to me too.

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  • Splodj
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    Strange how Marini was as high as joint 2 in NME despite them splitting him.

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  • Robbie
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    'Hoots Mon' is a good bit of fun!

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  • kingofskiffle
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    Oh Hoots Mon is fantastic!

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  • MrTibbs
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    ...... and in it comes at #15 on it's way to #1 .. one of my favourite records from the fifties and all time the wonderful tongue in cheek extremely catchy Hoots Mon from Lord Rockingham's X1.
    Altogether now 'There's a moose loose aboot this hoose'. For those who need a translation of this broad Scottish dialect it should be interpreted as 'There is a mouse that has not been caught running freely all around my house'.

    I interpret 'moose' as mouse as this is what a mouse is called in Scotland although it may also be a 'Moose' of the antlered kind as portrayed in the Maynard's Wine Gums TV advert where a clip of this record was used. You really need to watch that advert.

    Nevertheless this is a wonderful record. Not heard it ? Give it a spin on You Tube and get educated.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 25th 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 25th 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis 1 1 1 1 1 5700
    4 2 Move It - Cliff Richard 2 2 3 2 3 5425
    2 3 King Creole - Elvis Presley 3 4 2 3 2 5340
    6 4 Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers 4 5 4 5 4 5025
    11 5 Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini 5 2 8 6 6 4960
    5 6 Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails 6 7 6 4 7 4705
    8 7 A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis 7 7 7 7 5 4680
    12 8 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards 8 6 9 8 9 4415
    3 9 Volare - Dean Martin 9 9 5 11 8 4260
    9 10 Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw 10 11 12 9 11 3855
    7 11 When - The Kalin Twins 11 15 10 10 12 3545
    18 12 More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan 13 10 14 19 10 3530
    10 13 Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson 12 12 11 12 14 3515
    14 14 Western Movies - The Olympics 14 14 13 14 13 3315
    NEW 15 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 15 13 15 15 15 3170
    13 16 Volare - Domenico Modugno 16 17 17 20 16 2600
    16 17 Patricia - Perez Prado 17 19 18 16 19 2425
    17 18 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Jodie Sands 19 18 20 17 1960
    15 19 Return To Me - Dean Martin 18 24 16 17 1390
    19 20 Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy 20 20 1375
    22 21 My True Love - Jack Scott 20 25 13 1110
    21 22 Moon Talk - Perry Como 22 18 1105
    27 23 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 27 18 1040
    20 24 If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone 21 19 950
    RE 25 Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson 23 520
    25 26 Susie Darlin' - Robin Luke 25 390
    NEW 27 Volare - Charlie Drake 28 195
    24 28 Fever - Peggy Lee 29 130
    NEW 29 More Than Ever - Robert Earl 30 65
    Volare - Marino Marini 16
    23 Splish Splash - Charlie Drake
    26 Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan
    28 Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves
    29 Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent

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  • MrTibbs
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    Ah ! I must listen to Elvis's version of that

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post

    hmmmm, what was it metal ?
    The Twelfth Of Never!

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  • MrTibbs
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    The Poni-Tails Born Too Late is a charming little song.

    The Everlies are struggling, after dropping they only manage to hold on to #6 with Bird Dog. Maybe they aren't gonna make it to the top on the UAC either

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  • MrTibbs
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    Greetings Pop Pickers

    ​​​​Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending October 18th 1958

    Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending October 18th 1958 NME MM DISC RM Total
    Last This The Sound Survey 65 25 40 60 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon - Connie Francis 1 1 1 1 1 5700
    4 2 King Creole - Evis Presley 2 2 2 4 2 5430
    2 3 Volare - Dean Martin 3 3 3 3 3 5320
    5 4 Move It - Cliff Richard 4 4 4 2 4 5210
    7 5 Born Too Late - The Poni-Tails 5= 5 6 5 6 4855
    6 6 Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers 5= 6 5 6 5 4835
    3 7 When - The Kalin Twins 7 8 7 7 7 4495
    10 8 A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis 8 7 8 8 8 4435
    9 9 Mad Passionate Love - Bernard Bresslaw 9 9 11 9 10 4070
    8 10 Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson 10 11 10 10 9 3985
    12 11 Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini 11 10 9 11 11 3915
    13 12 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards 12 12 12 12 12 3610
    17 13 Volare - Domenico Modugno 13 13 13 17 14 3200
    15 14 Western Movies - The Olympics 15= 18 17 18 13 2795
    11 15 Return To Me - Dean Martin 14 16 16 13 20 2730
    21 16 Patricia - Perez Prado 18 22 18 16 16 2410
    NEW 17 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Jodie Sands 15= 14 14 17 2370
    NEW 18 More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan 17 15 20 14 2335
    18 19 Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy 19 20 19 1940
    19 20 If Dreams Came True - Pat Boone 20 18 1495
    23 21 Moon Talk - Perry Como 19= 23 19 15 1460
    25 22 My True Love - Jack Scott 19= 20 14 1395
    16 23 Splish Splash - Charlie Drake 29 19 610
    14 24 Fever - Peggy Lee 28 15 595
    NEW 25 Susie Darlin' - Robin Luke 24 455
    24 26 Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan 25 390
    NEW 27 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 26 325
    28 28 Tulips From Amsterdam / You Need Hands - Max Bygraves 27 260
    27 29 Girl Of My Dreams - Tony Brent 30 65
    Volare - Marino Marini 17
    20 Little Star - The Elegants
    22 Endless Sleep - Marty Wilde
    26 Trudie - Joe 'Mr Piano' Henderson
    29 All I Have To Do Is Dream / Claudette - The Everly Brothers
    30 Ginger Bread - Frankie Avalon

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post

    Often turning up in pub quizzes: what song was a hit single for both Elvis and Cliff?
    hmmmm, what was it metal ?

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
    Interesting that the BBC split Volare and Come Prima as NME did even though MM and RM didn't (note that MM listed only Volare the week before) and Disc appears to only list Come Prima.
    This was the most difficult single to date to work with on the UAC due to what you just describe David. It was split, changed, split somewhere else. This had to be down to the store returns I think joining or separating sides.

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  • braindeadpj
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    Interesting that the BBC split Volare and Come Prima as NME did even though MM and RM didn't (note that MM listed only Volare the week before) and Disc appears to only list Come Prima.

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  • Metalweb
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Elvis and Cliff in the top 5 at the same time for the first time.
    Often turning up in pub quizzes: what song was a hit single for both Elvis and Cliff?

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  • kjell
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    We discuss hits more than artists. I use both this thread and kingofskiffle’s 70 years of hits to find interesting artists, and continue looking for other hits by these artists. Many artists perfects their styling and if you like it you can go both backwards and forwards to track other of their hits. It’s of course easier to find hits in a yearly setting than in a weekly, but this thread of Brian’s till 71 is quite usable for the years that kingofskiffle hasn’t completed yet, his 1964 of nearly a thousand pages came this week.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    King Creole was not released as a single in the USA. Elvis was in the army and on 1-Oct arrived in West Germany. RCA had one more single in the can (One Night) which, for me, was his last with that special exciting atmosphere.
    Much as I liked One Night I always preferred I Got Stung. Strangely although One Night was the designated A side NME led with I Got Stung not One Night and it was and is often referred to as a double A side.

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  • Splodj
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    King Creole was not released as a single in the USA. Elvis was in the army and on 1-Oct arrived in West Germany. RCA had one more single in the can (One Night) which, for me, was his last with that special exciting atmosphere.

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  • Robbie
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    Elvis and Cliff in the top 5 at the same time for the first time.

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