The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined

[Splodj]

I assume that the bleep in 'A Boy Named Sue' was put in as a joke, because the unexpurgated version on the album reveals the missing words to be merely 'son of a bitch'. Even the BBC could have played that!

[MrTibbs]

There is a lot of consistency between the three charts again this week in the top ten with general agreement and records at most just one position out between any chart.

Some good records too around the chart, especially, David Bowie about to break in, Crosby Stills and Nash, Mama Cass, Lou Christie,The Box Tops and Bob Dylan hanging around too.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 27th 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 27th 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					1	1	1	16500
4	2	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					2	3	2	15700
3	3	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					3	2	3	15650
10	4	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry					4	4	4	14850
2	5	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					6	5	5	14100
5	6	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					5	6	6	13950
8	7	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					8	7	7	13000
6	8	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					7	8	8	12850
7	9	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					9	9	9	12100
22	10	A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash					10	10	10	11550
18	11	Throw Down A Line - Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin					11	11	14	10700
9	12	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					13	12	16	9850
20	13	It's Getting Better - Mama Cass					14	14	11	9650
14	14	Cloud Nine - The Temptations					19	13	15	8500
11	15	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					15	16	18	8250
28	16	Hare Krishna Mantra - The Radha Krishna Temple					12	19	19	8000
12	17	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					18	15	23	7400
23	18	Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers					16	22	13	7050
16	19	Birth - The Peddlers					17	18		6050
24	20	Soul Deep - The Box Tops					23	17	22	6000
27	21	Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan					25	20	12	5850
13	22	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					19	21	24	5600
17	23	Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash					22	23	17	5200
25	24	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					24	25	26	3400
29	25	I'm Gonna Make You Mine - Lou Christie					21		28	2300
19	26	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck						24	29	1950
NEW	27	I Second That Emotion - Diana Ross and the Supremes and The Temptations					27	27		1800
NEW	28	Love At First Sight - Sounds Nice					26	30	27	1650
26	29	Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley					28		21	1600
15	30	Curly - The Move					30	26		1450
B		Nobody's Child - Karen Young							20	1100
21		Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare					29	29	30	1000
30		Tears In The Wind - Chicken Shack						28		750
B		Space Oddity - David Bowie							25	600

[MrTibbs]

I really do like how they all agree on the number 1.

Ha Ha, yeah enjoy the moment, that said they often will, or sometimes two out of the three will agree, but there are some times ahead when there will be a three way split on #1

[Robbie]

Cliff's duet with Hank Marvin is interesting as by this point the hits had dried up for The Shadows and they had disbanded at the end of 1968 (they would later reunite and score hits in the 70s and 80s). Perhaps this was Cliff's way of helping out his former backing group's lead guitarist.

[Splodj]

It won't last!

[kingofskiffle]

I really do like how they all agree on the number 1.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 20th 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 20th 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
2	1	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					1	1	1	16500
1	2	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					3	2	3	15650
5	3	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					2	4	2	15450
7	4	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					4	3	4	15100
6	5	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					5	5	5	14300
3	6	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					6	6	6	13750
4	7	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					7	7	7	13200
11	8	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					9	8	8	12450
8	9	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					8	9	11	12100
18	10	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry					10	11	9	11400
9	11	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					11	10	10	11350
10	12	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					12	13	12	10200
13	13	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					16	14	13	9050
15	14	Cloud Nine - The Temptations					13	12	27	8750
14	15	Curly - The Move					14	15	20	8500
21	16	Birth - The Peddlers					18	16	17	7750
22	17	Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash					15	19	25	6800
NEW	18	Throw Down A Line - Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin					17	22	14	6750
17	19	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck					21	18	18	6550
25	20	It's Getting Better - Mama Cass					19	21	16	6400
12	21	Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare					23	17	21	6100
NEW	22	A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash					27	24	15	4150
29	23	Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers					19	26	28	3950
24	24	Soul Deep - The Box Tops					30	20	23	3750
16	25	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					25	23	26	3700
26	26	Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley					22	27	22	3700
NEW	27	Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan					24	25	30	3000
NEW	28	Hare Krishna Mantra - The Radha Krishna Temple					28	30	19	2050
NEW	29	I'm Gonna Make You Mine - Lou Christie					26			1000
NEW	30	Tears In The Wind - Chicken Shack						28	29	950
B		Love At First Sight - Sounds Nice							24	700
19		Conversations - Cilla Black						29		500
X		25 Miles - Edwin Starr					29			400
20		Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair
23		Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention
27		Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers
28		Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band
30		In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 13th 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 13th 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					1	1	1	16500
6	2	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					2	2	2	15950
2	3	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					4	3	5	15000
7	4	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					6	4	7	14150
8	5	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					3	8	3	14150
9	6	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					8	5	4	13800
12	7	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					5	7	6	13700
5	8	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					7	6	8	13350
3	9	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					9	9	9	12100
4	10	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					10	10	10	11550
14	11	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					11	11	11	11000
11	12	Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare					12	12	14	10250
10	13	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					13	13	12	10000
13	14	Curly - The Move					14	14	13	9450
20	15	Cloud Nine - The Temptations					17	15	16	8300
18	16	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					18	17	18	7400
23	17	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck					23	16	15	6950
25	18	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry					15	21	19	6900
15	19	Conversations - Cilla Black					22	18	21	6050
16	20	Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair					16	20		5750
NEW	21	Birth - The Peddlers					20	19	27	5600
27	22	Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash					26	24	17	4150
21	23	Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention					21	23		4000
28	24	Soul Deep - The Box Tops						22	24	2950
NEW	25	It's Getting Better - Mama Cass					27	25	26	2800
30	26	Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley					19	30		2650
17	27	Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers						26	20	2350
19	28	Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band					28	28	22	2250
NEW	29	Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers					24		23	2200
22	30	In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley						27	28	1300
B		Tears In The Wind - Chicken Shack					25			1200
29		Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd							25	600
26		When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves						29		500
X		Soul Clap '69 - Booker T. and The MG's					29			400
		Heather Honey - Tommy Roe							29	200
B		Throw Down A Line - Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin					30			200
B		Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan							30	100
24		I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending September 6th 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending September 6th 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					1	1	1	16500
6	2	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					3	2	6	15350
2	3	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					3	4	3	15150
3	4	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					2	3	9	15000
4	5	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					5	5	4	14400
11	6	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					8	7	2	13500
7	7	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					7	6	7	13450
10	8	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					6	8	5	13350
15	9	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					10	9	10	11800
5	10	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					9	11	11	11400
8	11	Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare					11	10	12	11150
19	12	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					12	13	8	10600
9	13	Curly - The Move					13	12	13	10150
20	14	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					14	14	14	9350
12	15	Conversations - Cilla Black					16	15	15	8600
16	16	Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair					15	16	18	8250
14	17	Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers					20	17	19	6900
17	18	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					17	19	20	6900
13	19	Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band					19	22	16	6150
27	20	Cloud Nine - The Temptations					20	18	28	5750
21	21	Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention					18	21	25	5700
18	22	In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley					22	20	21	5550
23	23	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck					25	23	17	4600
22	24	I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells					23	26	23	3650
NEW	25	I'll Never Fall In Love Again - Bobbie Gentry					24	27		2400
25	26	When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves						24	29	1950
NEW	27	Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash					27	28	30	1650
NEW	28	Soul Deep - The Box Tops						25		1500
30	29	Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd						30	22	1150
NEW	30	Clean Up Your Own Back Yard - Elvis Presley					26			1000
B		Birth - The Peddlers						29	27	900
X		Soul Clap '69 - Booker T. and The MG's					27			800
		Heather Honey - Tommy Roe							24	700
B		It's Getting Better - Mama Cass					30		26	700
B		Put Yourself In My Place - The Isley Brothers					29			400
24		Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade
26		It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces
28		Peaceful - Georgie Fame
29		Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group

[MrTibbs]

I'm going away the weekend to London guys so here are the Ultimate Average Charts in advance for Saturday and Sunday so you don't miss out

[Splodj]

'Space Oddity' has yet to chart. It was released in time to coincide with the moon trip, but this backfired somewhat ...

The first time I heard it on the radio was on 27 July on the David Symonds show. He said that they had deliberately not played it earlier because they wanted to ensure that the astronauts had returned safely first.

[Robbie]

The sound of Motown really was changing. Although that was to be expected, the clamour for 60s style Motown never went away in the early 1970s as can be seen by the numerous re-issues and chart re-entries of old Motown releases that follow in the next few years.

I meant to post the other day, 20 July 1969 was "one small step for man" but a historic day for mankind as Apollo 11 touched down on the moon and Neil Armstrong walked and talked himself into history. The success of 'In The Year 2525' with its futuristic leanings must have been fuelled by the moon landings although 'Bad Moon Rising' is somewhat of a negative take on things...

[MrTibbs]

The Temptations debut with their new 'psychedelic' soul rock sound as opposed to their previous style. Diana Ross and The Supremes though were the first to take this path with Love Child. Stevie Wonder will follow with a more progressive change in sound in mid 1970 followed by Marvin Gaye in 1971.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 30th 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 30th 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
4	1	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					1	1	1	16500
1	2	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					2	2	2	15950
2	3	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					3	4	3	15150
3	4	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					4	3	4	15100
5	5	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					5	5	5	14300
10	6	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					6	6	7	13650
14	7	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					8	7	6	13100
8	8	Early In The Morning - Vanity Fair					7	8	10	12650
13	9	Curly - The Move					10	10	14	11150
26	10	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					12	11	9	11000
23	11	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					9	14	8	10950
7	12	Conversations - Cilla Black					15	9	13	10500
6	13	Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band					11	13	15	10100
9	14	Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers					13	12	16	9850
20	15	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					14	16	11	9150
11	16	Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair					16	15	12	8900
16	17	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					17	19	18	7100
12	18	In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley					19	17	20	7000
22	19	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					20	18	17	6850
25	20	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					18	21	19	6300
18	21	Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention					21	22	21	5250
15	22	I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells					22	20	25	5150
29	23	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck					23	25	22	4000
17	24	Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade					24	23	28	3700
27	25	When Two World Collide - Jim Reeves					25	27	23	3000
19	26	It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces					27	26		2050
NEW	27	Cloud Nine - The Temptations					28	28	24	2050
21	28	Peaceful - Georgie Fame						24		1750
24	29	Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group					26	29		1500
NEW	30	Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd					29		26	900
		Heather Honey - Tommy Roe							27	400
28		That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston						30		250
B		Soul Deep - The Box Tops							29	200
B		It's Getting Better - Mama Cass					30			200
B		Marrakesh Express - Crosby Stills and Nash							30	100
30		Something In The Air - Thunderclap Newman

[MrTibbs]

Yeah Top Pops had the same problem overall as especially the earlier years of RR in that they used a very low sample of shops and all W H Smith so the overall poll wasn't anywhere near robust enough.

Yeah the Creedence record was easily their best although I loved all their material at this time.

Thanks again brain for liking each chart

[Splodj]

Although 'Bad Moon Rising' was number one for 3+ weeks on the three major charts, it never made it in Top Pops. Similar situation with 'Wandrin Star'.

I think these ommisions are worse than the unique number ones it did put there. One of these, 'My Cherie Amour', I recall made number one in NME's midweek chart in the Sunday Mirror.

[Robbie]

Great song by Creedence Clearwater Revival in at number 23.

[MrTibbs]

Greetings Pop Pickers !

Here is the Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending August 23rd 1969

Here are all 'the uppers, the downers, the just hangin' arounders'

The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending August 23rd 1969							NME	MM	BMRB	Total
Last	This		The Sound Survey			Stores	200	250	100	Points
Week	Week		The Top 30 Singles Chart					TOP	30	Scored
1	1	Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones					1	1	1	16500
2	2	Saved By The Bell - Robin Gibb					2	2	2	15950
4	3	My Cherie Amour - Stevie Wonder					3	3	4	15300
13	4	In The Year 2525 - Zager and Evans					4	5	3	14700
5	5	Make Me An Island - Joe Dolan					5	4	5	14550
3	6	Give Peace A Chance - The Plastic Ono Band					6	6	6	13750
8	7	Conversations - Cilla Black					8	7	9	12800
9	8	Early In The Morning - Vanity Fare					7	8	10	12650
6	9	Goodnight Midnight - Clodagh Rodgers					9	9	7	12300
18	10	Too Busy Thinking About My Baby - Marvin Gaye					10	11	8	11500
12	11	Bringing On Back The Good Times - The Love Affair					11	12	11	10750
7	12	In The Ghetto - Elvis Presley					12	10	16	10550
21	13	Curly - The Move					13	14	12	9750
22	14	Viva Bobby Joe - The Equals					15	13	14	9400
14	15	I Can Sing A Rainbow/Love Is Blue - The Dells					14	15	15	9000
20	16	Wet Dream - Max Romeo					17	16	13	8350
11	17	Baby Make It Soon - The Marmalade					16	17	22	7400
26	18	Si Tu Dois Partir - Fairport Convention					20	19	21	6200
10	19	It Mek - Desmond Dekker and The Aces					18	18	28	6150
NEW	20	Natural Born Bugie - Humble Pie					21	21	23	5300
23	21	Peaceful - Georgie Fame					27	20	24	4250
30	22	Je T'aime..Moi Non Plus - Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg					28	22	17	4250
NEW	23	Bad Moon Rising - Creedence Clearwater Revival					19	28	20	4250
17	24	Barabajagal - Donovan and The Jeff Beck Group					23	24		3350
NEW	25	Good Morning Starshine - Oliver					21	29	26	3000
NEW	26	Don't Forget To Remember - The Bee Gees					25	30	18	2750
24	27	When Two Worlds Collide - Jim Reeves					26	25	29	2700
15	28	That's The Way God Planned It - Billy Preston					29	22		2650
28	29	I'm A Better Man - Engelbert Humperdinck					24		19	2600
17	30	Something In The Air - Thunderclap Newman						26	25	1850
19		Hello Susie - Amen Corner					30	27	30	1300
B		Tears Won't Wash Away My Heartaches - Ken Dodd							27	400
25		A Way Of Life - The Family Dogg
29		Breakaway - The Beach Boys
27		Heather Honey - Tommy Roe

[MrTibbs]

These are the anomalies that intrigue us though and keep us hooked on these charts. One guy isn't very keen on this round of Ultimate Average Charts as he feels I am comparing oil and water, ie, comparing sales against points, and yes there are differences between both compilation methods but on a fun basis it does make for an interesting chart, and obviously still enjoyed by many.

[Splodj]

There are two other placings in that last chart that seem odd ...

BMRB has 'It Mek' dive to 22 when it is up at 10 & 12 in the other two. Conversely MM has 'Something in the air' up at 12 when it has fallen to 21 in the other two; next week in MM it will dive to 26 on its way out.

[kingofskiffle]

Lonnie - Record Mirror always used the Saturday week ending date. If you check Tony Jasper's Top 20 book - the RR chart w/e 6 August was dated w/e 9 August in RM. (and the w/e dates differ in the preceding months and years but the charts are the same) - much better in my view

Yes, of course. Sorry, mis-typed. Meant to say as in RR. I'd not forgotten about RM.

[Richard M White]

The issue dated 6 August of RR printed the chart with no week counts or last week positions. The next issue was dated 16 August and began the start of Saturday dates for the chart. For this the last week, weeks, etc are all back. The last week positions do match that chart though. So it could very well be down to either some sales being removed for that record (if they thought it odd) or a supply issue. The shops reporting to BMRB had lower stock than others.

Lonnie - Record Mirror always used the Saturday week ending date. If you check Tony Jasper's Top 20 book - the RR chart w/e 6 August was dated w/e 9 August in RM. (and the w/e dates differ in the preceding months and years but the charts are the same) - much better in my view

[Splodj]

much assisted by the novel middle part with the sound of bottles in a bag being struck and smashed.

Tragedy behind the jollity though, as by this time their 19 year old drummer who had been responsible for the novel percussive effects was dead.

[kingofskiffle]

The issue dated 6 August of RR printed the chart with no week counts or last week positions. The next issue was dated 16 August and began the start of Saturday dates for the chart. For this the last week, weeks, etc are all back. The last week positions do match that chart though. So it could very well be down to either some sales being removed for that record (if they thought it odd) or a supply issue. The shops reporting to BMRB had lower stock than others.