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The Ultimate Averaged Chart - The BBC Chart Re-Imagined
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Yes, I was correct. From Record Mirror on 12th January 1963,
"THE BEATLES appeared on Scottish T.V.'s 'Roundup' last week during their five-day tour north of the border. Other T.V. and sound dates following the release of their new disc 'Please Please Me' (written by Beatlemen John Lennon and Paul McCartney) include 'Thank Your Lucky Stars', Jan. 19th; `Here We Go', Jan. 25th; and 'Saturday Club', Jan. 26th."
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The race is on .. Frank Ifield climbs to 4 but The Fab Four take a 12 place leap from 18 to 6.
Bobby Vee debuts with his last big hit. He has been an upper chart regular since 1961. He will have one more minor hit in 1963 then .. vanish .. one of many until now chart regulars swept aside by the wave of Beatlemania and British band chart domination to come.
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 9th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Diamonds - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 1 1 1 1 1 9900 2 2 Bachelor Boy / The Next Time - Cliff Richard 2 6 2 2 2 9170 4 3 Globetrotter - The Tornados 4 3 3 5 6 9050 9 4 The Wayward Wind - Frank Ifield 3 2 5 3 4 9010 7 5 Little Town Flirt - Del Shannon 5 4 4 4 7 8820 18 6 Please Please Me - The Beatles 6 5 9 7 3 7940 6 7 Don't You Think It's Time - Mike Berry 7 8 7 6 8 7840 5 8 Like I Do - Maureen Evans 8 10 6 10 5 7680 3 9 Dance On - The Shadows 9 9 8 9 9 7410 13 10 All Alone Am I - Brenda Lee 10 11 10 11 11 6750 14 11 Island Of Dreams - The Springfields 11= 14 11 12 10 6280 23 12 Loop-De-Loop - Frankie Vaughan 11= 7 17 8 15 6130 20 13 Sukiyaki - Kenny Ball 14 15 12 16 14 5710 16 14 Big Girls Don't Cry - The Four Seasons 13 15 14 13 13 5590 17 15 A Taste Of Honey - Mr. Acker Bilk 16 19 13 17 16 5050 15 16 Some Kinda Fun - Chris Montez 15 20 15 14 12 4920 8 17 Return To Sender - Elvis Presley 17 18 16 19 17 4570 30 18 Walk Right In - The Rooftop Singers 18 13 22 15 21 4250 10 19 Up On The Roof - Kenny Lynch 20 22 18 21 18 3740 22 20 Loo-Be-Loo - The Chucks 21 21 21 23 23 3140 12 21 Comin' Home Baby - Mel Torme 22 23 20 22 24 3110 11 22 Go Away Little Girl - Mark Wynter 23 24 19 28 20 2980 25 23 My Little Girl - The Crickets 19 25 24 20 19 2560 NEW 24 The Night Has A Thousand Eyes - Bobby Vee 25 17 18 30 2080 NEW 25 Hava Nagila - The Spotnicks 24 26 26 24 26 1750 NEW 26 It's Up To You - Rick Nelson 26 30 25 26 22 1520 19 27 (Dance With The) Guitar Man - Duane Eddy 27 23 25 1380 28 28 Charmaine - The Bachelors 28 28 30 27 27 770 26 29 He's A Rebel - The Crystals 27 600 NEW 30 The Alley Cat Song - David Thorne 29= 28 29 510 The Next Time - Cliff Richard 12 B Tell Him - Billie Davis 29= 27 30 450 24 Lovesick Blues / She Taught Me How To Yodel - Frank Ifield 29= 29 28 390 X What Now - Adam Faith 29 29 300 X I Saw Linda Yesterday - Doug Sheldon 25 300 21 Sun Arise - Rolf Harris 27 It Only Took A Minute - Joe Brown 29 Bobby's Girl - Susan Maughan The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Originally posted by MrTibbs View PostFor Lonnie and any other guys who want to make corrections on their files to typo errors I have picked up on the BBC manuscript here is a list of these from January 1960 up to June 1963 where I am just now.
January 28th 1961 Poetry In Motion should be 2 not 1.
March 25th 1961 Exodus should be 7 not 8.
August 31st 1962 Sealed With A Kiss should be 6 not 8.
November 9th 1962 Sheila should be 10 not 7.
January 26th 1963. Confirming the manuscript omits a #30.
March 15th 1963 Like I've Never Been Gone should be 3 not 5.
April 19th 1963 Say Wonderful Things should be 8 not 6
Throughout May 1963 the manuscript also lists Rhythm Of The rain by The Crystals when it should be The Cascades.
Also picked up 2 errors on Disc
July 29th 1961 Ricky Nelson omitted from #6 and later corrected so all other records below this need pushed down a place.
January 12th 1963. #29 lists Island Of Dreams by The Tijuana Brass. The title should be The Lonely Bull. The DISC chart list here on UK Mix also lists this error.
Hope this info helps in correcting your files.
Brianhttp://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts
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On 2-Feb the Beatles set out on their theatre tour with Helen Shapiro. While we regard this period as a time of renaissance, Lennon looked back on it differently ...
"We sold out. The music was dead before we even went on the theatre tour of Britain ... The Beatles music died then. We killed ourselves to make it - and that was the end of it."
(Lennon Remembers, Wenner)
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Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
A long time ago, I know, but finally updated these in my database. Do let me - and others - know if you spot any other errors for the manuscript because I think my database comes form the same original source.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Originally posted by Woz1234 View PostThe Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 9th 1963
It's Up To You - Rick Nelson should be #22 in RR Chart.
That slipped through the chart check before posting as well. Well spotted and thanks for picking up on that rare error Woz.
Please see the amended chart aboveThe Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties
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Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
A long time ago, I know, but finally updated these in my database. Do let me - and others - know if you spot any other errors for the manuscript because I think my database comes form the same original source.
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I know its early days yet but I'm defo impressed with the initial averaging process result for the 'fun' chart as opposed to the BMRB chart in 1969.
Averaging is really smoothing things out. It's only when you work with the BMRB chart you realise just how many records have huge chart fluctuations up down up down week on week and the number of tied positions it had. Combining it with MM and NME fixes this well without hugely disadvantaging BMRB and the end result is a smooth flowing chart. I'm liking what I'm seeing a lot.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Originally posted by RokinRobinOfLocksley View Post
Lonnie, do you have the most recent BBC Dave/Trevor file? The most recent one (of the 4 Dave/Trevor revised files that I have) is the one Trevor sent me 18 June 2015.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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I probably need to go through yours and mine side by side and see what the changes arehttp://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 16th 1963
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 16th 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 Diamonds - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 1 1 1 2 1 9850 4 2 The Wayward Wind - Frank Ifield 2 2 3 1 2 9470 6 3 Please Please Me - The Beatles 3 3 2 3 3 9390 5 4 Little Town Flirt - Del Shannon 4 4 4 4 4 8910 2 5 Bachelor Boy / The Next Time - Cliff Richard 5 9 5 5 5 8180 3 6 Globetrotter - The Tornados 8 8 6 9 13 7690 12 7 Loop-De-Loop - Frankie Vaughan 6 5 11 6 6 7600 8 8 Like I Do - Maureen Evans 7 10 7 10 7 7470 7 9 Don't You Think It's Time - Mike Berry 9 12 8 8 8 7190 11 10 Island Of Dreams - The Springfields 10 7 10 11 12 7120 10 11 All Alone Am I - Brenda Lee 11 11 9 12 9 6910 24 12 The Night Has A Thousand Eyes - Bobby Vee 12 6 15 7 14 6610 13 13 Sukiyaki - Kenny Ball 13 13 13 13 10 6030 9 14 Dance On - The Shadows 14 18 12 14 11 5600 18 15 Walk Right In - The Rooftop Singers 15 14 16 15 18 5140 15 16 A Taste Of Honey - Mr. Acker Bilk 16= 19 14 17 16 4900 14 17 Big Girls Don't Cry - The Four Seasons 16= 16 17 18 15 4730 16 18 Some Kinda Fun - Chris Montez 19 20 18 22 20 3830 25 19 Have Nagila - The Spotnicks 18 22 19 16 19 3810 23 20 My Little Girl - The Crickets 20 29 20 21 17 2770 NEW 21 Tell Him - Billie Davis 21= 21 24 20 27 2720 20 22 Loo-Be-Loo - The Chucks 24= 23 23 26 25 2430 NEW 23 That's What Love Will Do - Joe Brown 21= 17 30 19 26 2300 17 24 Return To Sender - Elvis Presley 24= 27 22 25 23 2290 19 25 Up On The Roof - Kenny Lynch 23 21 24 28 1940 27 26 It's Up To You - Rick Nelson 26= 25 26 28 24 1710 28 27 Charmaine - The Bachelors 26= 24 28 29 22 1520 21 28 Comin' Home Baby - Mel Torme 30 25 30 930 30 29 The Alley Cat Song - David Thorne 28 27 21 900 NEW 30 Like I've Never Been Gone - Billy Fury 29 28 23 700 The Next Time - Cliff Richard 15 B Hey Paula - Paul and Paula 26 500 22 Go Away Little Girl - Mark Wynter 29 29 360 B Boss Guitar - Duane Eddy 27 200 X What Now - Adam Faith 30 100 X Fireball XL5 - Don Spencer 30 50 26 (Dance With The) Guitar Man - Duane Eddy 29 He's A Rebel - The Crystals The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Diamonds is under pressure .. both Frank and The Beatles close in but who is The Ultimate Chart gonna favour ?
The theme from one of my very first favourite TV shows is just outside the top thirty this week. The wonderful theme to Fireball XL5, ''I wish I was a spaceman, the fastest guy alive, I'd fly you round the universe in Fireball XL5'', Magical Stuff for a 9 year old. !!The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Yes, a lovely song! Shame it never went that high (32 on RR in an 11 week run then back again in June). Very pleased though that it was re-issued at the end of last year on vinyl and got to 9 on the Vinyl chart (2 Jan 2021) and 14 in Scotland and 10 in Wales (those regional charts are now Physical and not iTunes downloads) and is 83 this week in Scotland. A lovely tune and a lovely series.http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts
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Originally posted by kingofskiffle View PostYes, a lovely song! Shame it never went that high (32 on RR in an 11 week run then back again in June). Very pleased though that it was re-issued at the end of last year on vinyl and got to 9 on the Vinyl chart (2 Jan 2021) and 14 in Scotland and 10 in Wales (those regional charts are now Physical and not iTunes downloads) and is 83 this week in Scotland. A lovely tune and a lovely series.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
The Biggest Chart Of The Fifties
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A thought just crossed my mind: the charts being posted at present are from one of the coldest and snowiest winters of the 20th Century. From Christmas 1962 to early March 1963 the UK was quite literally snowed under in the coldest winter since 1740 (though 1947 was snowier). I wonder how high sales were in this period given how severe the weather was for 2½ months?
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Greetings Pop Pickers !
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 23rd 1963
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 23rd 1963 NME MM DISC RR Total Last This The Sound Survey Stores 100 150 50 30 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 3 1 Please Please Me - The Beatles 1 1 2 1 2 9720 2 2 The Wayward Wind - Frank Ifield 2 1 3 2 1 9550 1 3 Diamonds - Jet Harris and Tony Meehan 3 3 1 3 3 9540 12 4 The Night Has A Thousand Eyes - Bobby Vee 4 4 6 4 4 8610 4 5 Little Town Flirt - Del Shannon 6 6 4 6 5 8580 7 6 Loop-De-Loop - Frankie Vaughan 5 5 5 5 6 8550 10 7 Island Of Dreams - The Springfields 7 8 8 8 8 7590 11 8 All Alone Am I - Brenda Lee 8 12 7 9 7 7320 5 9 Bachelor Boy / The Next Time - Cliff Richard* 12 16 10 10 9 7000 13 10 Sukiyaki - Kenny Ball 9 10 9 12 10 6980 15 11 Walk Right In - The Rooftop Singers 11 11 11 11 11 6600 23 12 That's What Love Will Do - Joe Brown 10 7 15 7 12 6570 8 13 Like I Do - Maureen Evans 13 14 13 15 14 5710 6 14 Globetrotter - The Tornados 14 15 12 17 16 5600 19 15 Hava Nagila - The Spotnicks 15 20 14 16 15 4880 9 16 Don't You Think It's Time - Mike Berry 16 17 16 19 13 4790 NEW 17 Summer Holiday / Dancing Shoes - Cliff Richard 18 9 24 13 27 4270 30 18 Like I've Never Been Gone - Billy Fury 17 13 23 14 22 4120 16 19 A Taste Of Honey - Mr. Acker Bilk 19 22 17 24 17 3770 21 20 Tell Him - Billie Davis 20 21 19 18 24 3660 14 21 Dance On - The Shadows 22 28 18 20 21 3100 17 22 Big Girls Don't Cry - The Four Seasons 21 26 20 22 18 2990 NEW 23 Hey Paula - Paul and Paula 23 19 25 21 26 2750 18 24 Some Kinda Fun - Chris Montez 25 27 22 27 20 2280 20 25 My Little Girl - The Crickets 24 21 23 19 2260 27 26 Charmaine - The Bachelors 26 23 26 30 23 1840 NEW 27 Hi-Lili Hi-Lo - Richard Chamberlain 27 24 25 1000 22 28 Loo-Be-Loo - The Chucks 29= 29 27 29 860 26 29 It's Up To You - Rick Nelson 28 29 29 25 580 29 30 The Alley Cat Song - David Thorne 28 28 540 * This week the split sides would have affected NME's averaged chart positionso an average was taken from the other 3 charts giving an average of 9.6 to Cliff Richard and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position for both sides together. The Next Time - Cliff Richard 18 Dancing Shoes - Cliff Richard 25 B Boss Guitar - Duane Eddy 29= 30 30 26 30 530 X Fireball XL5 - Don Spencer 28 150 24 Return To Sender - Elvis Presley 25 Up On The Roof - Kenny Lynch 28 Comin' Home Baby - Mel Torme The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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and there is your answer .. the battle is easily won, The Beatles easily overtake Frank to capture #1 and music history begins.
Cliff has 4 songs on the NME Top 30 due to split sides.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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Originally posted by Robbie View PostA thought just crossed my mind: the charts being posted at present are from one of the coldest and snowiest winters of the 20th Century. From Christmas 1962 to early March 1963 the UK was quite literally snowed under in the coldest winter since 1740 (though 1947 was snowier). I wonder how high sales were in this period given how severe the weather was for 2½ months?
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It has been said that the particularly bad weather on the night Please Please Me was featured on Thank Your Lucky Stars gave it a boost because of the increased audience.
When it made number one EMI hosted a party to celebrate. It occurs to me that latterly EMI could have made a stand against 'official' chart revisionism by including it on the '1' album.
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It makes no sense that a record company would credit an artist with FEWER #1 records than what they actually achieved. EMI staff in 2000 probably had few if any employees that were still working there from 1963. So they just pulled out the Guinness book with its revisionism, and a Billboard book for the US, and went with that. They probably ran the track list by Paul, George, Ringo, and John's widow for approval, who may not have even looked at it, or didn't voice any objections. Or if there were objections, EMI would have responded they were going by the 'official' charts, or could only get so many tracks on the CD, they had to leave off some. Case closed.
Never mind that The Beatles had 5 other #1 records on the other major charts in the UK and US that weren't on the '1' CD: Please Please Me, Strawberry Fields Forever, Twist and Shout, Nowhere Man, and b-side For You Blue. EMI could have done the math and left off the least performing #1's. Or made separate '1' CDs for the UK and US. Or made it a 2-CD set and included everything. But why go thru all that trouble when you could just go with the worst UK chart, and the only US chart with a readily accessible chart book series? They were going to produce this '1' CD on a single CD, and the track list (plus or minus a song or two) wouldn't have made any difference in net sales.
So instead of getting "all" the #1's, or the "biggest" #1's, we get "some" of the #1's. Or 27 out of 32 = "84% of the #1's which may not necessarily be the biggest". That would be a great CD title, ha...
But yeah, Paul and Ringo should take a public stand against the 'official' charts. Wouldn't that be kool? And Mick and Keith as well. Check out my 1-star rant review of the '1' CD on Amazon when you get a free minute...
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I've long been amazed and perplexed at how little opposition materialised to RR being adopted as the 'official' chart even initially in 1977 by Guinness.. Artists, record companies, music papers, all just seemed to roll over and accept it without question. Given there was no opposition to speak of no wonder the OCC rubber stamped it and adopted it too. Even now I can't understand how easy the whole process was.The Record Mirror Singles Chart 1954 - 1961 Revised Re-Calculated And Extended
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