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One obvious difference is that the BBC is only counting NMEs top 20. For example, Connie Francis is given only 21 points for NME instead of 26. But neither way is ideal; you really need all 4 inputting Top 30s or more for a robust Top 20 output.
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Yet another calculation/transcript error on the BBC chart again this week.
I think by now it is blatantly obvious that the level of errors in calculation on the BBC chart far exceeds the level previously thought to be the case. This has only been brought to light because the UAC compilation has initiated a level of scrutiny on the BBC figures previously not undertaken. Until this the figures have been totally accepted and taken at face value.
At the onset my goal was to produce an averaged music paper chart that aside from averaging out simple chart positions, as done by the BBC chart, would also be made more robust by factoring in approximate numbers of shop dealer returns as well as not all charts were equal in that respect. This 'extra level' was designed to eradicate the large number of ties that existed in the BBC chart and to correct the few known errors that were already known to exist within the BBC chart.
But now we know differently following this exercise. The BBC chart can no longer be accepted as a robust, accurate, or viable chart for reference purposes as it seriously flawed both in compilation and authority.
Furthermore I have just pointed out the obvious errors that jumped out of the page at me when transferring the figures to the spreadsheet for the UAC. There are obviously lots more if you look even closer as David (braindeadpj) discovered and mentions above.
So, for those of us who like me believe an averaged chart best represents this time period before actual shop sales figures were used by the BMRB I'd like to think I have offered a suitable alternative by introducing the UAC. The BBC principle was correct but too simplistic and poorly executed. The UAC is far from perfect after all it's based on imperfect data from a points system in dealer returns to music papers. Human error would play a part in these returns, manipulation, flawed information downright untruths at times even. But that was the times and these are our only historical records of what was passing across counters at the time.
That is why I believe the averaging process provides the most robust chart. At least if one paper gets it wrong, and they do, just look at any of the chart comparisons on the UAC page and you will see just how often that happens that one is out of sync with the others but the other papers help smooth this out to provide a more balanced chart.
At least I'm satisfied that the UAC is as accurate as possible to the data provided. Being human and in dealing with multiple figures I too have made some errors along the way, some I noticed and corrected as I went along and others you picked up on and I corrected.
I'm therefore satisfied the goal is being met the BBC has been not only been 're-imagined' but restructured as well.
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending February 7th 1959
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending February 7th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000 3 2 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears * 3 2 2 3 3 5700 2 3 Baby Face - Little Richard * 2 3 3 2 2 5700 5 4 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 4 3 5 4 4 5450 8 5 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 5 3 4 8 6 5195 7 6 Problems - The Everly Brothers 6= 6 8 6 5 5010 9 7 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 6= 7 6 5 7 4905 4 8 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 8 7 7 9 8 4660 6 9 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 9 10 9 7 9 4405 NEW 10 Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour - Lonnie Donegan 10= 9 11 17 12 3850 17 11 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 10= 14 15 10 10 3775 12 12 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 12 11 14 18 11 3645 14 13 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 13= 15 13 13 15 3330 11 14 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 13= 18 12 12 14 3230 10 15 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 16 13 17 15 19 3060 19 16 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 13= 12 10 13 3030 15 17 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 17 17 14 18 2510 23 18 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 18= 16 19 17 2265 NEW 19 Wee Tom - Lord Rockingham's XI 21 18 16 1975 18 20 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 18= 26 11 20 1835 13 21 Love Makes The World Go 'Round / Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como 20 24 16 16 1500 26 22 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 20 19 1305 21 23 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 18 975 28 24 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard 25 20 890 30 25 The World Outside - The Four Aces 23 20 875 20 26 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 21 750 16 27 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 28 225 NEW 27 That's My Doll - Frankie Vaughan 28 225 22 29 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 30 75 Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 27 24 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson 25 There Must Be A Way - Joni James 27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard 29 Cannonball - Duane Eddy 30 Last Night On The Back Porch - Alma Cogan * Either the BBC or the manuscipt is wrong again as it lists a #2 and #3 but the points clearly indicate a tie.
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Originally posted by Splodj View Post
Like Sinatra before, difficult to see how this could be an honest mistake.
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Also Pat Boone's I'll Remember The Night is a re-entry on the 31st January chart from the 17th January (when it was at 28).
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BTW, The BBC chart no. 19 on the 31st should be Slim Dusty.
Also both Tom Dooley tracks should be equal 10 on points so they miscalculated here.Last edited by braindeadpj; Today, 01:34.
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So if Disc had been more on the ball and placed Elvis 5 or higher (rather than 9), he'd have been no.1 overall the week of the 24th. The average of the other charts suggest it should have been in at 2.... Wonder why they were so far off.
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I think you're right here because both of last weeks #1's on the other three charts tumble from the top right out of the top three so it is highly probable that RM called it correct. For my money I Got Stung was by far the stronger side, a cracking good fast paced rocker.
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The unanimity at the top adds credence to the view that last week RM got it right. MM and Disc may have been suffering from the difficulty that points charts tend to be too slow in identifying a 'bullet' top seller, as demonstrated later by BMRB and Gallup, and NME was having another of its highly maverick moments with their no. 1 which had fallen in position elsewhere.
In trying to determine from the entrails what really was happening these transitional weeks are the most difficult to call.
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 31st 1959
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 31st 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 5 1 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 1 1 1 1 1 6000 4 2 Baby Face - Little Richard 2 3 2 2 2 5725 2 3 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 3 2 3 3 3 5675 1 4 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 4 4 5 5 4 5335 6 5 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 5= 4 7 6 5 5185 3 6 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 5= 7 4 4 7 4995 18 7 Problems - The Everly Brothers 7= 8 9 7 6 4735 12 8 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 7= 6 6 8 10 4680 13 9 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 9 9 8 12 8 4365 10 10 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 11 10 10 10 12 4080 8 11 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 10 13 11 9 9 4050 9 12 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 12= 11 17 14 11 3730 11 13 Love Makes The World Go Round (A) - Perry Como * 14= 19 13 11 15 3560 7 14 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 12= 14 12 13 14 3490 14 15 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 14= 12 15 15 16 3365 16 16 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 16 16 14 17 18 2890 19 17 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 17 18 20 18 13 2850 17 18 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 18 17 16 17 2490 NEW 19 (All Of A Sudden) My Heart Sings - Paul Anka 20 20 19 1545 RE 20 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 20 20 1100 23 21 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 20 825 21 22 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 22 675 29 23 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 26 19 675 22 24 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson 23 600 NEW 25 There Must Be A Way - Joni James 19 24 525 27 26 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 29 16 525 15 27 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard 19 480 NEW 28 Livin' Lovin' Doll - Cliff Richard 25 450 20 29 Cannonball - Duane Eddy 18 325 NEW 30 Last Night On The Back Porch - Alma Cogan 27 300 30 30 The World Outside - The Four Aces 27 300 Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 15 That's My Doll - Frankie Vaughan 30 75 24 Woman From Liberia - Jimmie Rodgers 25 The World Outside - Russ Conway 26 My Ulelele - Max Bygraves 28 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards * This week the split side disadvantaged the averaged chart position so an average was taken from the other 3 charts and awarded to NME to give a more representative chart position.
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A contested 'straight in at number one' that I missed off my list. My hunch is that RM got this one right.
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I'm not keen on the number 1. It's an old fashioned sounding song even for the era in which it was released.
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 24th 1959
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 24th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 2 1 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 2= 1 3 3 5 5630 4 2 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 2= 4 4 2 2 5600 1 3 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 1 5 1 1 3 5580 7 4 Baby Face - Little Richard 4= 2 5 4 4 5525 NEW 5 I Got Stung / One Night - Elvis Presley 4= 3 2 9 1 5505 11 6 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 6= 6 7 8 7 4835 3 7 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 6= 8 6 6 8 4730 9 8 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 8 10 11 7 6 4535 8 9 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 9 7 9 11 9 4470 5 10 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 10= 11 12 10 11 4015 6 11 Love Makes The World Go 'Round - Perry Como (A) 10= 12 15 5 12 4005 15 12 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 10= 9 8 14 13 3985 17 13 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 13 14 13 15 10 3625 14 14 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 15 16 14 16 14 3170 10 15 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard 14 18 10 12 16 3160 12 16 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 16 13 13 15 3030 13 17 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 17 15 16 19 18 2835 NEW 18 Problems - The Everly Brothers 18 18 17 19 2045 NEW 19 High School Confidential - Jerry Lee Lewis 19 22 19 17 1815 18 20 Cannonball - Duane Eddy 22 20 20 1775 25 21 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 20 17 20 1325 19 22 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson 26 17 935 29 23 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 21 750 21 24 Woman From Liberia - Jimmie Rodgers 30 18 595 NEW 25 The World Outside - Russ Conway 24 525 16 26 My Ukelele - Max Bygraves 25 450 NEW 27 A Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty 18 325 20 28 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards 27 300 NEW 29 I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time - Rosemary June 28 225 NEW 30 The World Outside - The Four Aces 29 150 Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 18 Last Night On The Back Porch - Alma Cogan 30 75 22 Queen Of The Hop - Bobby Darin 23 More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan 24 Real Love - Ruby Murray 26 Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan 27 A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis 28 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 30 Heartbeat - Buddy Holly
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I thought the flip was at least as good - 'Well Alright'. Difficult to say any of his were overrated when they performed so badly - even worse in the USA.
Cousin Brucie had Sonny Curtis on his show recently and asked him if he remembered what he was doing when he heard of Holly's death. He replied he was staying with Jerry Allison and felt he had to go into his bedroom and wake up 'JA' and Peggy Sue to tell them the news.
(Incidentally he said he had never really fought the law, it was just imagined!)
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Originally posted by brian05 View PostRE 30 Heartbeat - Buddy Holly
This should have been a much greater hit. Sadly Buddy was mainly ignored in the UK until after his death.
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Originally posted by brian05 View PostRE 30 Heartbeat - Buddy Holly
This should have been a much greater hit. Sadly Buddy was mainly ignored in the UK until after his death.
My father was a massive fan and had all these early hits. In the late fifties he had nearly all Lonnie Donegan's stuff whom he also admired and Buddy's.
In the year above Buddy is about to go massive with It Doesn't Matter Anymore. The Flip Raining In My Heart was also a class tune and should have been held back as it had the potential to be a big follow up hit in its own right.
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RE 30 Heartbeat - Buddy Holly
This should have been a much greater hit. Sadly Buddy was mainly ignored in the UK until after his death.
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Suddenly Jane Morgan takes off into the top three. I just didn't like Little Richard's Baby Face it just didn't seem to suit his rock'n'roll usual style.
After the festive break though the chart is now settling down.
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Greetings Pop Pickers
Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending January 17th 1959
Here are all '' the uppers, the downers, the just hanging 'arounders '
The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 17th 1959 NME MM DISC RM Total Last This The Sound Survey 75 25 40 60 Points Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored 1 1 It's Only Make Believe - Conway Twitty 1 1 1 1 1 6000 7 2 The Day The Rains Came - Jane Morgan 2 2 2 2 5 5620 2 3 Hoots Mon - Lord Rockingham's XI 3 3 3 4 2 5620 9 4 To Know Him Is To Love Him - The Teddy Bears 4 5 4 3 4 5365 3 5 Tom Dooley - Lonnie Donegan 5 4 5 7 3 5315 6 6 Love Makes The World Go 'Round - Perry Como (A) 6 8 6 5 7 4830 12 7 Baby Face - Little Richard 7= 7 10 8 6 4745 4 8 Tea For Two Cha-Cha - The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra 7= 6 8 10 9 4610 5 9 Tom Dooley - The Kingston Trio 9 12 9 6 8 4355 8 10 High Class Baby - Cliff Richard 10 10 7 9 10 4315 15 11 Kiss Me Honey Honey Kiss Me - Shirley Bassey 11 9 11 12 11 4110 10 12 Come On Let's Go - Tommy Steele 12 10 19 11 13 3755 17 13 You Always Hurt The One You Love - Connie Francis 13 13 15 19 12 3370 25 14 Chantilly Lace - The Big Bopper 14= 18 14 15 18 2820 23 15 As I Love You - Shirley Bassey 16 16 13 17 20 2795 18 16 My Ukelele - Max Bygraves 17 20 17 14 16 2755 NEW 17 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters 14= 17 12 15 2485 16 18 Cannonball - Duane Eddy 18 22 16 14 2295 13 19 Someday (You'll Want Me To Want You) - Ricky Nelson 19= 21 13 19 2190 11 20 It's All In The Game - Tommy Edwards 19= 15 17 2040 24 21 Woman From Liberia - Jimmie Rodgers 18 20 1415 29 22 Queen Of The Hop - Bobby Darin 24 18 1045 14 23 More Than Ever - Malcolm Vaughan 23 16 975 22 24 Real Love - Ruby Murray 26 18 700 NEW 25 You're The Top Cha - Al Saxon 24 525 28 26 Am I Wasting My Time On You - Frankie Vaughan 27 300 20 27 A Certain Smile - Johnny Mathis 20 275 NEW 28 I'll Remember Tonight - Pat Boone 28 225 30 29 The World Outside - Ronnie Hilton 29 150 RE 30 Heartbeat - Buddy Holly 30 75 Mandolins In The Moonlight - Perry Como (B) 13 19 King Creole - Elvis Presley 21 More Party Pops - Russ Conway 26 Mary's Boy Child - Harry Belafonte 27 Come Prima / Volare - Marino Marini * Again either the BBC compilation is wrong or a typing error is as the manuscript lists both TD and LR at 7= but the points don't correspond with this.
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Originally posted by braindeadpj View PostI just noticed that the NME stores has increased to 75 for 1959. Anymore increases planned this year?
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I just noticed that the NME stores has increased to 75 for 1959. Anymore increases planned this year?
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Kjell it is knowing that guys like you and every other loyal follower of this thread enjoy it and follow every chart that has made all the work blood sweat and tears in compiling it worthwhile. I genuinely thank you all
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I’ve noticed that both my favourite reads, this thread and kingofskiffle’s «70 years of UK singles charts» share a delicate and claryfying colouring.
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