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  • Splodj
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
    I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died,
    If a lot more posts have been written the comment is more likely to be missed. I have seen some of your comments only weeks later when I happened to be looking back at an old page. I think the best way of replying is in a new post, with the bit you are replying to quoted at the top.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    According to Nanda Lwin's Canadian Chart Book Elton's single spent a total of 45 (non-consecutive) weeks at No.1 on the SoundScan Top 200 singles chart (beginning on 21/9/97).

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  • Gambo
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    Talking about the longest running number one, the original version of 'Bambino' by Dalida spent 45 weeks at number one in France. A world record?

    The Springfield's were soon to become the first British group to make the Billboard Top 20 with 'Silver threads and golden needles' which appears to have flopped in the UK.
    Sounds likely although I remember reading around the turn of the century that Elton John's re-recorded 'Candle In The Wind' to mark the Princess of Wales' passing had racked up 45 weeks at No 1 in Canada druing 1997-'99! I have not checked this so don't know if it was correct, whether it was using Canada's official chart, whether it was consecutive or aggregated, etc. But if it is, it would at least match the tenure of 'Bambino' in France.

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  • Robbie
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    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

    I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died, I assume that site supporters can't comment on their own posts, hence why Robbie in that instance couldn't comment.
    I can comment on my own post (I've just tried it, I didn't even think of doing that to be honest!) but I don't know if it sends a notification to yourself. I'm assuming it doesn't, in which case you wouldn't know I had replied to your comment.

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  • Robbie
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    Test

  • Graham76man
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    Originally posted by MrTibbs View Post
    Yeah I deliberately choose not to use it for the very reason Robbie mentions above, that you cannot use the comment as a quote to expand on a topic.
    I tend to use it when there's a lot more posts have been written and the subject matter appears to have died, I assume that site supporters can't comment on their own posts, hence why Robbie in that instance couldn't comment.

    Having just posted this post, I find that my last statement to be incorrect, as the comment option does appear on my own posts. This means that you could add a comment to somebody else's comment, you just need to add something like: "re:name" to the comment as it won't let you quote directly. If you can't comment and you are allowed, then contact UKMIX and report a fault.
    Last edited by Graham76man; Today, 11:47. Reason: Extra information

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  • Splodj
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    Talking about the longest running number one, the original version of 'Bambino' by Dalida spent 45 weeks at number one in France. A world record?

    The Springfield's were soon to become the first British group to make the Billboard Top 20 with 'Silver threads and golden needles' which appears to have flopped in the UK.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Jimmy Crawford charts with I Love How You Love Me while the superior Paris Sisters original is ignored here

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 9th 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 9th 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 1 1 1 1 1 1 9900
    2 2 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 2 3 2 2 2 4 9430
    1 3 His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley 3= 4 3 3 3 2 9190
    5 4 Moon River - Danny Williams 3= 2 4 4 4 5 9040
    4 5 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 5 6 6 5 5 3 8500
    6 6 The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 6 10 5 6 6 6 7990
    8 7 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 8 5 7 8 10 8 7790
    7 8 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 7 9 8 7 7 7 7700
    11 9 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 9 8 10 10 8 9 7220
    13 10 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 10 7 9 11 11 10 7070
    9 11 The Savage - The Shadows 11 12 11 9 9 11 6840
    18 12 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 12 11 13 14 12 16 5950
    24 13 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 14 15 12 19 14 19 4950
    12 14 Runaround Sue - Dion 13 13 13 13 13 4860
    14 15 Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles 15 18 18 16 16 17 4640
    10 16 When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 17 24 16 12 12 4120
    15 17 Mexicali Rose - Karl Denver 19 20 18 17 14 3520
    21 18 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 16 25 17 15 15 3300
    NEW 19 Johnny Will - Pat Boone 17 15 20 3290
    NEW 20 So Long Baby - Del Shannon 18 21 15 19 3160
    NEW 21 Charleston - The Temperance Seven 16 14 2220
    NEW 22 Toy Balloons - Russ Conway 23 17 1480
    NEW 23 I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 20 14 1360
    NEW 24 I Love How You Love Me - Jimmy Crawford 28 20 18 1180
    26 25 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 18 1040
    NEW 26 Let True Love Begin - Nat King Cole 28 19 960
    RE 27 Everlovin' - Ricky Nelson 20 23 900
    23 28 I'm A Moody Guy - Shane Fenton and The Fentones 18 25 830
    17 29 You Must Have Been A Beatiful Baby - Bobby Darin 22 28 810
    NEW 30 Bambino - The Springfields 27 20 650
    Moon River - Henry Mancini 25 480
    Sucu Sucu - Laurie Johnson 21 300
    This Time - Troy Shondell 22 270
    Tall Dark Stranger - Rose Brennan 28 240
    Let's Get Together - Hayley Mills 24 210
    Creole Jazz / Stars And Stripes - Mr. Acker Bilk 26 150
    Wild Wind - John Leyton 27 120
    I Understand - The G-Clefs 29 60
    Bless You - Tony Orlando 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    Until Acker Bilk, Frankie Laine held the record for consecutive week chart residency, 36 weeks for I Believe in 1953, Only NME of course compiled a record chart at that time and it was only a Top 12 with much less competition.

    Still to date, I Believe is the all time record holder for weeks at the top of the singles chart. 18 weeks. A few have got within striking distance but fell at the last hurdle. It was in 3 runs at the top though, 9 weeks, 6 weeks, and 3 weeks.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Yeah I deliberately choose not to use it for the very reason Robbie mentions above, that you cannot use the comment as a quote to expand on a topic.

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  • InFamous
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    Originally posted by Metalweb View Post
    ^

    I thought the Comments feature had been withdrawn anyway?
    Site supporters can use it. Although Wayne did say it should be only sparingly.

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  • Metalweb
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    ^

    I thought the Comments feature had been withdrawn anyway?

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  • Robbie
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    Graham76man commented
    Today, 11:21

    I think you are forgetting Frank and My Way which unlike Acker is still selling these days.
    I posted "The chart run of 'Stranger On The Shore' is amazing. Its chart longevity not only dwarfs anything that had gone before but also, at least until the digital era, most of what came afterwards." for the very reason that I had remembered 'My Way'.

    (as a side note, this is the worst thing about the Comments feature, it's not possible to directly reply to a comment)

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  • Splodj
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    That was the BBC rule effectively - odd-one-out rather than majority. But as you set out the points it is easy to see on your charts which has the most anyway. I think it is telling that even with RR having it at 5 Vee gets most points (just).

    The BBC did not only invoke their rule for the Beatles up to 'Help'. They also used it for 'House of the RIsing Sun' and 'The Last Time', when in both cases RR had them at number 6. With the Beatles, the rule stopped RR preventing the records entering at number one. With the other two, the rule stopped RR preventing the records climb to number one after entering.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Ironically Acker was in the same position as many of The Beatles singles later, #1 in all charts except RR, surprise surprise.

    With regard to Bobby Vee, its the same situation as The Temperance Seven, Helen Shapiro, The Monkees, Barry Ryan to name a few among others, all qualified for #1 on points but lost out in the 3 point rule. For these records I'm still torn as to what was right, maybe what I should have done at the start of this is to go by points entirely as the fairer method with the only exception being where a record is #1 in ALL charts except one, and discount the single outlier.

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  • Splodj
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    Thanks Brian. On reflection I think Acker is a clearer cut case than Bobby. Did he sneak in while Elvis was on the wane? Difficult to tell.

    NME doesn't help because its positions are also out of kilter with the consensus. However their 'ahead of the game' reputation can explain their differences - with Vaughan and Williams (the risers) being higher and Presley and Dean (the fallers) being lower. Whereas the 'behind the game' reputation of RR cannot really explain Vee at 5.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Originally posted by Splodj View Post
    RR bias against Bobbie Vee is preventing him from being number one in the Ultimate.

    A similar thing will happen with Acker. On the week 'Stranger on the shore' goes to number one on the others it falls back to 8 in RR. Although the 3 point rule may save it in the Ultimate. RR then have it spring back to number 2 for 3 straight weeks, but it is too late to be top because of Cliff's entry at number one.

    The BBC may have thought that on both occasions they were lucky not to be including RR.
    As you know I work ahead to ensure I can post a new chart every day, so I am able to give you some immediate confirmation and indeed reassurance on this. On 6th January 1962 Mr. Acker Bilk will succeed in achieving #1 status despite RR placing him at #8 that week.
    He does not even need the 3 point rule as he will achieve it outright on 9690 points with nearest competitor Danny Williams on 9390.
    Acker that week holds #1 on all other 4 charts which comfortably throws out the RR outlier.
    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending January 6th 1962 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    3 1 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 1 1 1 1 1 8 9690
    1 2 Moon River - Danny Williams 2= 2 2 3 4 1 9390
    But yes the following week he will lose out to Cliff entering at No 1.

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  • Graham76man
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    I think you are forgetting Frank and My Way which unlike Acker is still selling these days.

  • Splodj
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    RR bias against Bobbie Vee is preventing him from being number one in the Ultimate.

    A similar thing will happen with Acker. On the week 'Stranger on the shore' goes to number one on the others it falls back to 8 in RR. Although the 3 point rule may save it in the Ultimate. RR then have it spring back to number 2 for 3 straight weeks, but it is too late to be top because of Cliff's entry at number one.

    The BBC may have thought that on both occasions they were lucky not to be including RR.

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  • Robbie
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    The chart run of 'Stranger On The Shore' is amazing. Its chart longevity not only dwarfs anything that had gone before but also, at least until the digital era, most of what came afterwards.

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  • MrTibbs
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    A future monster record debuts this week, Mr. Acker Bilks' Stranger On The Shore. Its chart longevity will dwarf anything that has gone before.

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  • MrTibbs
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    Here is the next Ultimate Averaged Chart for Week Ending December 2nd 1961

    The Ultimate Averaged Chart - Week Ending December 2nd 1961 NME RM MM DISC RR Total
    Last This The Sound Survey Stores 80 60 110 50 30 Points
    Week Week The Top 30 Singles Chart BBC TOP 30 Scored
    1 1 His Latest Flame / Little Sister - Elvis Presley* 2 4 2 1 1 1 9600
    2 2 Take Good Care Of My Baby - Bobby Vee 1 1 1 2 2 5 9620
    5 3 Tower Of Strength - Frankie Vaughan 3 1 4 3 4 2 9320
    3 4 Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean 4 5 3 4 3 3 8970
    7 5 Moon River - Danny Williams 5 3 5 5 5 6 8710
    6 6 The Time Has Come - Adam Faith 6= 6 6 6 8 7 8120
    4 7 Walkin' Back To Happiness - Helen Shapiro 6= 7 7 7 6 4 8060
    8 8 Take Five - Dave Brubeck 8 8 8 9 9 9 7400
    10 9 The Savage - The Shadows 9 12 9 8 7 10 7200
    9 10 When The Girl In Your Arms Is The Girl In Your Heart / Got A Funny Feeling - Cliff Richard 11= 13 11 10 11 8 6640
    13 11 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball 10 9 12 11 12 13 6590
    12 12 Runaround Sue - Dion 11= 11 13 13 10 11 6310
    16 13 I'll Get By - Shirley Bassey 13 10 10 12 15 16 6280
    11 14 Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles 14 14 15 14 13 12 5660
    14 15 Mexicali Rose - Karl Denver 15 15 16 15 16 14 5200
    21 16 Let's Get Together - Hayley Mills 17 19 17 18 21 3450
    20 17 You Must Have Been A Beatiful Baby - Bobby Darin 18 16 18 19 2990
    NEW 18 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk 22 18 19 2820
    26 19 This Time - Troy Shondell 20= 17 14 23 2380
    15 20 Sucu Sucu - Laurie Johnson 16 18 14 15 2370
    28 21 My Friend The Sea - Petula Clark 19 25 16 25 2310
    19 22 Married - The Brook Brothers 19 20 1930
    22 23 I'm A Moody Guy - Shane Fenton and The Fentones 20= 23 17 24 1550
    NEW 24 You're The Only Good Thing - Jim Reeves 24 19 22 1430
    17 25 Wild Wind - John Leyton 20 17 970
    25 26 Moon River - Henry Mancini 20 880
    NEW 26 Don't Bring Lulu - Dorothy Provine 20 880
    NEW 28 September In The Rain - Dinah Washington 17 840
    27 29 Fool No 1 - Brenda Lee 20 660
    18 30 Bless You - Tony Orlando 28 20 570
    * 3 Point Rule applied
    I Cried For You - Ricky Stevens 25 480
    You'll Answer To Me - Cleo Laine 18 390
    Helen (EP) - Helen Shapiro 27 320
    Charleston - The Temperance Seven 29 160
    My Boomerang Won't Come Back - Charlie Drake 26 150
    Susu Sucu - Nina and Frederick 27 120
    Creole Jazz / Stars And Stripes - Mr. Acker Bilk 28 90
    Jeannie Jeannie Jeannie - Eddie Cochran 30 80
    Let True Love Begin - Nat King Cole 29 60
    I Love How You Love Me - Jimmy Crawford 30 30

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  • MrTibbs
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    [QUOTE=Splodj

    PS – RRs low placing of Bobby Vee each week looks like they have something against him![/QUOTE]

    I think that's a really valid point. Looking back the weeks since Bobby Vee charted with Take Good Care RR has consistently placed it considerably lower than every other chart. It really is a great injustice.

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  • Splodj
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    Recordings of POTP from the Trad Tavern period are extremely rare, but here is one from this week’s show ...
    https://www.mixcloud.com/terry-obrien2/pick-of-the-pops-1961-11-25-alan-freeman-33-mins-from-the-live-trad-tavern-show/

    PS – RRs low placing of Bobby Vee each week looks like they have something against him!

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