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    Official Singles Chart Top 100
    20 November 2020 - 26 November 2020


    The Official UK Top 100 chart is compiled by the Official Charts Company, based on official sales of downloads, CDs, vinyl, audio and video streams.

    https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/

    1 1 4* Ariana Grande ~ Positions
    2 NE 1 Billie Eilish ~ Therefore I Am

    3 3 4 Little Mix ~ Sweet Melody
    4 2 14 Internet Money ft Gunna, Don Toliver and Nav ~ Lemonade
    5 4 9 Wes Nelson and Hardy Caprio ~ See Nobody
    6 6 17 Tate McRae ~ You Broke Me First
    7 NE 1 BBC Radio 2 Allstars for Children In Need ~ Stop Crying Your Heart Out
    8 5 14 Miley Cyrus ~ Midnight Sky
    9 7 9 Pop Smoke ~ What You Know Bout Love?
    10 10 12 Dua Lipa (ft DaBaby) ~ Levitating
    11 8 4 KSI ft Craig David and Digital Farm Animals ~ Really Love
    12 9 9 Justin Bieber ft Chance The Rapper ~ Holy
    13 14 14 24kGoldn ft Iann Dior ~ Mood ***
    14 11 9 Sam Smith ~ Diamonds
    15 15 20 Joel Corry ft MNEK ~ Head & Heart ***
    16 19 5 James Arthur ~ Train Wreck
    17 18 3 Ariana Grande ~ 34+35
    18 13 13 Clean Bandit and Mabel ft 24kGoldn ~ Tick Tock
    19 22 2 Ariana Grande ~ POV
    20 24 3 Meduza ft Dermot Kennedy ~ Paradise
    21 20 7 Shawn Mendes ~ Wonder
    22 16 21 Dermot Kennedy ~ Giants
    23 17 5 Justin Bieber and Benny Blanco ~ Lonely
    24 39 4 CJ ~ Whoopty
    25 28 6 Jax Jones ft Au/Ra ~ I Miss U
    26 27 10 Ritt Momney ~ Put Your Records On
    27 25 7 D-Block Europe ft Aitch ~ UFO
    28 26 10 Ashnikko ~ Daisy
    29 36 4 Harry Styles ~ Golden
    30 59 3 Shane Codd ~ Get Out My Head
    31 60 101 Mariah Carey ~ All I Want For Christmas Is You ***
    32 29 12 Rudimental ft Anne-Marie and Tion Wayne ~ Come Over
    33 30 15 Cardi B ft Megan Thee Stallion ~ WAP ***
    34 12 11 Sigala and James Arthur ~ Lasting Lover ***
    35 34 19 Paul Woolford and Diplo ft Kareen Lomax ~ Looking For Me ***
    36 RE 16 Little Mix ~ Holiday
    37 32 6 Headie One ft Young T and Bugsey ~ Princess Cuts
    38 31 13 Headie One ft AJ Tracey and Stormzy ~ Ain't It Different? ***
    39 38 51 The Weeknd ~ Blinding Lights ***
    40 33 5 Digga D ~ Chingy (It's Whatever)

    41 40 4 Central Cee ~ Loading
    42 23 2 Little Mix ~ Confetti
    43 NE 1 Loski and Stormzy ~ Flavour
    44 76 66**(91) Wham! ~ Last Christmas ***
    45 54 2 Fumez The Engineer and A92 (Officia) ~ Plugged In Freestyle
    46 41 23 Jawsh 685 and Jason Derulo ~ Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) ***
    47 46 9 Keith Urban and Pink ~ One Too Many
    48 45 7 Jorja Smith ft Popcaan ~ Come Over
    49 37 3 Tion Wayne ft Mist ~ Deluded
    50 42 17 Jason Derulo ~ Take You Dancing ***
    51 44 4 The Kid Laroi ~ So Done
    52 21 13 BTS ~ Dynamite ***
    53 51 41 Harry Styles ~ Watermelon Sugar ***
    54 48 17 Nathan Dawe ft KSI ~ Lighter ***
    55 47 9 Octavian and Skepta ~ Papi Chulo
    56 35 2 Giggs ft Dave ~ Straight Murder (Giggs & David)
    57 RE 1**(18) Baccara ~ Yes Sir, I Can Boogie *** ****used by Scottish football fans as a chant
    58 50 19 Pop Smoke ft Lil Tjay ~ Mood Swings ***
    59 NE 1 Celeste ~ A Little Love ****John Lewis / Waitrose Christmas advert song
    60 NE 1 Lil Nas X ~ Holiday
    61 58 99 Lewis Capaldi ~ Someone You Loved ***
    62 62 68 Tones and I ~ Dance Monkey ***
    63 RE 100**(105) The Pogues ft Kirsty MacColl ~ Fairytale Of New York ***
    64 57 19 Fleetwood Mac ~ Dreams ***
    65 NE 1 Yxng Bane ft D-Block Europe ~ Cut Me Off
    66 61 20 Pop Smoke ft Lil Baby and DaBaby ~ For The Night ***
    67 68 5 Glass Animals ~ Heat Waves
    68 69 31 DaBaby ft Roddy Ricch ~ Rockstar ***
    69 49 2 Abra Cadabra ~ Spin This Coupe
    70 67 14 Drake ft Lil Durk ~ Laugh Now, Cry Later ***
    71 77 11 Polo G ~ Martin & Gina
    72 72 7 220 Kid and JC Stewart ~ Too Many Nights
    73 78 8 Juice Wrld ~ All Girls Are The Same
    74 71 53 Lewis Capaldi ~ Before You Go ***
    75 82 6 Clairo ~ Sofia

    76 74 8 Banners ~ Someone To You
    77 RE 58 Post Malone and Swae Lee ~ Sunflower ***
    78 70 32 Topic ft A7S ~ Breaking Me ***
    79 RE 34 Michael Bublé ~ It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas ***
    80 55 6 Dutchavelli ft M1llionz ~ Cool With Me
    81 52 2 Dutchavelli ~ Zero Zero
    82 RE 72 Shakin' Stevens ~ Merry Christmas Everyone ***
    83 NE 1 Tiësto ~ The Business
    84 84 2 Maluma ~ Hawai
    85 73 26 Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande ~ Rain On Me ***
    86 RE 81**(82) Band Aid ~ Do They Know It's Christmas? ***
    87 79 20 AJ Tracey and Mabel ~ West Ten ***
    88 81 28 Chris Brown and Young Thug ~ Go Crazy ***
    89 83 5 Punctual ~ I Don't Wanna Know
    90 75 2 The Kid Laroi ~ Without You
    91 RE 39 Elton John ~ Step Into Christmas ***
    92 53 3 Kylie ~ Magic
    93 NE 1 Justin Bieber ~ Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree ***
    94 86 18 DJ Khaled ft Drake ~ Greece ***
    96 NE 1 Griff ~ Love Is A Compass
    97 93 89 Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper ~ Shallow ***
    98 66 2 The Kid Laroi ~ Always Do
    99 87 8 Diplo and Sidepiece ~ On My Mind
    100 94 153 Ed Sheeran ~ Perfect ***


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    Official Albums Chart Top 100
    20 November 2020 - 26 November 2020


    The UK's Top 100 biggest artist albums of the week is compiled by the Official Charts Company, based on sales of CDs, downloads, vinyl and weighted audio streams.

    https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/

    1 NE 1* AC/DC ~ Power Up
    2 NE 1 McFly ~ Young Dumb Thrills
    3 NE 1 Andrea Bocelli ~ Believe
    4 NE 1 Paloma (Faith) ~ Infinite Things

    5 1 2 Kylie ~ Disco
    6 NE 1 André Rieu and His Johann Strauss Orchestra ~ Jolly Holiday
    7 2 2 Little Mix ~ Confetti
    8 NE 1 Sophie Ellis-Bextor ~ Songs From The Kitchen Disco (Sophie Ellis-Bextor's Greatest Hits)
    9 3 3 Ariana Grande ~ Positions
    10 NE 1 Johnny Cash and The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra ~ Johnny Cash and The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
    11 4 3 Sam Smith ~ Love Goes
    12 6 4 Bruce Springsteen (ft The E Street Band) ~ Letter To You
    13 9 20 Pop Smoke ~ Shoot For The Stars, Aim For The Moon
    14 7 3 Cliff Richard ~ Music… The Air That I Breathe
    15 10 79 Lewis Capaldi ~ Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent
    16 12 49 Harry Styles ~ Fine Line
    17 RE 2 Dolly (Parton) ~ A Holly Dolly Christmas ****vinyl release contributes to overall publicity boost this week
    18 8 2 Dutchavelli ~ Dutch From the 5th
    19 11 11 The Kid Laroi ~ F**k Love
    20 17 158 Elton John ~ Diamonds
    21 21 920 Queen ~ Greatest Hits
    22 NE 1 The Shadows ~ The First 60 Years (Dreamboats & Petticoats Presents)
    23 5 2 Dame Shirley Bassey ~ I Owe It All To You
    24 18 34 Dua Lipa ~ Future Nostalgia
    25 31 84 Michael Bublé ~ Christmas
    26 NE 1 K-Trap ~ Street Side Effects
    27 19 105 Fleetwood Mac ~ 50 Years: Don't Stop
    28 20 19 Juice Wrld ~ Legends Never Die
    29 30 86 Billie Eilish ~ When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?
    30 22 863 Fleetwood Mac ~ Rumours
    31 NE 1 Chris Stapleton ~ Starting Over
    32 27 4 Kidz Bop Kids (UK) ~ Kidz Bop 2021
    33 14 2 Aled Jones ~ Blessings
    34 36 463 Oasis ~ (What's The Story) Morning Glory?
    35 26 194 Ed Sheeran ~ ÷ (Divide)
    36 13 51 Dermot Kennedy ~ Without Fear
    37 32 17 Taylor Swift ~ Folklore
    38 37 375 Arctic Monkeys ~ AM
    39 NE 1 Future and Lil Uzi Vert ~ Pluto X Baby Pluto
    40 NE 1 Phil Campbell and The Bastard Sons ~ We're The Bastards


    41 25 6 D-Block Europe ~ The Blue Print - Us vs. Them
    42 23 05 Daniel O'Donnell ~ Daniel
    43 33 968 ABBA ~ Gold: Greatest Hits
    44 50 376 Oasis ~ Time Flies... 1994-2009
    45 34 68 Mabel ~ High Expectations
    46 38 436 Eminem ~ Curtain Call: The Hits
    47 42 71 Ed Sheeran ~ No.6 Collaborations Project
    48 24 3 Bring Me The Horizon ~ Post Human: Survival Horror
    49 49 101 Juice Wrld ~ Goodbye & Good Riddance
    50 35 6 Headie One ~ Edna
    51 45 952 Bob Marley and The Wailers ~ Legend
    52 41 7 Queen and Adam Lambert ~ Live Around The World
    53 39 8 Machine Gun Kelly ~ Tickets To My Downfall
    54 46 49 Stormzy ~ Heavy Is The Head
    55 54 135 XXXTentacion ~ ?
    56 52 63 Post Malone ~ Hollywood's Bleeding
    57 69 124 Billie Eilish ~ Don't Smile At Me
    58 51 470 Michael Jackson ~ Number Ones
    59 63 209 David Bowie ~ Legacy
    60 55 348 Whitney Houston ~ The Ultimate Collection
    61 57 181 Dua Lipa ~ Dua Lipa
    62 29 4 Poor Clares Of Arundel ~ Light For The World
    63 58 314 Arctic Monkeys ~ Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
    64 56 60 Becky Hill ~ Get To Know
    65 16 2 The Kanneh-Masons / Michael Morpurgo / Olivia Colman ~ Carnival Of The Animals
    66 59 187 George Michael ~ Twenty Five
    67 47 3 Jane McDonald ~ Cruising With Jane McDonald Volume Two
    68 NE 1 Elton (John) ~ Jewel Box [box set]
    69 76 78 Neil Diamond ~ All-Time Greatest Hits
    70 60 289 The Beatles ~ 1
    71 44 3 WizKid ~ Made In Lagos
    72 RE 24 Gerry Cinnamon ~ The Bonny
    73 15 2 Giggs ~ Now Or Never [mixtape]
    74 40 3 M Huncho and Nafe Smallz ~ DNA
    75 82 7 Blackpink ~ The Album

    76 77 65 Harry Styles ~ Harry Styles
    77 68 383 Foo Fighters ~ Greatest Hits
    78 RE 96 The Weeknd ~ Beauty Behind The Madness
    79 74 335 Ed Sheeran ~ ×
    80 75 41 Pop Smoke ~ Meet The Woo 2 [mixtape]
    81 73 168 Maroon 5 ~ Singles
    82 67 92 Elvis Presley ~ The 50 Greatest Hits
    83 28 2 Vera Lynn ~ Keep Smiling Through
    84 71 315 Sam Smith ~ In The Lonely Hour
    85 81 398 Amy Winehouse ~ Back To Black
    86 70 139 George Ezra ~ Staying At Tamara's
    87 87 35 The Weeknd ~ After Hours
    88 NE 1 Davido ~ A Better Time
    89 84 89 Dave ~ Psychodrama
    90 83 339 Guns N' Roses ~ Greatest Hits
    91 61 3 CamelPhat ~ Dark Matter
    92 85 27 Polo G ~ The Goat
    93 91 44 Juice Wrld ~ Death Race For Love
    94 92 242 Red Hot Chili Peppers ~ Greatest Hits
    95 96 384 Oasis ~ Definitely Maybe
    96 89 98 Jax Jones ~ Snacks
    97 RE 61 AC/DC ~ Back In Black
    98 93 290 Adele ~ 21
    99 94 193 Adele ~ 25
    100 48 3 Amy Macdonald ~ The Human Demands



    here's the video streaming chart
    here's the overall streaming chart

    Source: OCC / Radio 1

    Text source: BuzzJack (edited and refined by your host)

    *Weeks on top 100 chart as listed on OCC site.
    **Complete total of all entries in brackets.
    ***ACR affected tracks.
    ****Notes on special re-entries or other trivia
    Last edited by Blondini; Fri November 20, 2020, 19:57.
    Don't bother updating your signature if it's a link. It takes you to completely random pages!!!!

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    Charts analysis: Ariana Grande bests Billie Eilish in close singles race

    by James Masterton

    A tightly fought chart race between two American women ensured the destination of this week's No.1 single was up in the air until the very end. The reigning champion won the fight, Positions by Ariana Grande remaining at the summit for a fourth week with a chart sale of 44,581 (just 1,117 of them paid downloads). Five singles have now spent at least four weeks in total at No.1 in 2020.

    Commiserations then to Billie Eilish, denied her second chart-topper of the year but still doing more than enough to land her fourth Top 3 hit single. After summertime release My Future proved to be something of a one week wonder, spending just a fortnight in the Top 40 despite its No.7 peak, the new single Therefore I Am changes the gears up a little. It would have been a worthy No.1 single for sure but for the moment has to be content with second place, its sale of 43,625 a mere 956 behind her rival to make this the third closest chart race of 2020 so far.

    The remainder of the Top 5 sees Little Mix steady at No.3 with Sweet Melody (33,729 sales), Lemonade by Internet Money about to fizz out at No.4 (32,547 sales) and Wes Nelson and Hardy Caprio's See Nobody sliding to No.5 (29,906 sales).

    Despite the lack of studio audience, the BBC's annual Children In Need spectacular took place last week and as is traditional has emitted a tie-in charity single. Stop Crying Your Heart Out is an all-star charity rendition of Oasis' 2002 single featuring such luminaries as Paloma Faith, Ava Max, Nile Rogers and Robbie Williams (collectively branded as The Radio 2 Allstars). A strong leader in early midweek flashes, the track's appeal was inevitably front-loaded and with its sales having effectively stalled by Tuesday it finishes the week at No.7 with 28,421 sales, most of these paid downloads.

    Two singles thus exit the Top 10: KSI and company's Really Love dives 8-11 and Holy by Justin Bieber/Chance The Rapper slides 9-12. The impending Christmas tsunami of oldies means the window for newer hits to establish themselves before the end of the year is rapidly closing but for now there are positive jumps for Paradise by Meduza and Dermot Kennedy (No.20, 16,216 sales), Whoopty by CJ (No.24, 13,845 sales), Get Out My Head by Shane Codd (No.30, 11,81 sales).

    Originally a No.15 hit back in the summer, Holiday by Little Mix returns to the listings at No.36 in its highest chart placing for eight weeks, its ACR status temporarily reset following the boost in consumption which resulted following the release of the group's Confetti album.

    New at No.43 (8,798 sales) is Flavour which becomes the ninth credited chart single for rapper Loski, just ahead of the release of his debut album Music Trial and Trauma which lands this week. The Steel Banglez-produced track adds some superstar power in the shape of Stormzy on co-vocals and it becomes his biggest chart single to date either as a lead artist or collaborator.

    The first female duo and first Spanish act to reach No.1, Baccara originally charted in 1977 with Yes Sir I Can Boogie. The song returns to the listings for the first time in 43 years, propelled there by the sense of humour of Scottish football fans for reasons too complicated to explain here. Exactly 7,800 chart sales means it reaches No.57 for the week.

    Stepping away from the formula of mellow covers of older songs, this year's John Lewis TV commercial is soundtracked for the first time by an original recording. As a result, A Little Love becomes the second chart single from 2019 BRITs Rising Star winner Celeste, No.59 with 7,597 sales to its name. She made No.47 back in February with Stop This Flame.

    We'll deal with festive oldies in a moment, but it is good to note that there is still room for modern day seasonal releases. Step forward then Lil Nas X who gives sleighbells a swerve in the video for Holiday. The brand-new single is his fourth hit and winks into life at No.60 (7,230 sales) to return him to the charts for the first time since July 2019

    Also new, sneaking in at No.65 with 6,768 sales is Cut Me Off, the 14th credited chart single for Yxng Bane and no less than the 24th chart hit for the co-credited D-Block Europe.

    The British public have elected to begin Christmas early, and who can blame them. Reflecting the public mood, festive classics have encroached on the charts to an extent unprecedented for mid-November. Joining last week's advance party of Mariah Carey (up this week to No.31 with 10,704 sales) are fellow festive perennials Last Christmas (No.44, 8,897 sales) and Fairytale Of New York (No.63, 7,097 sales) with many more trailing in their wake.

    Singles sales tick up to 20,977,182 in a 0.89% rise for the week. The Children In Need single helps paid sales to rise 7.6% to 465,487, their highest total for 11 weeks.

    © Music Week

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    • #3
      Charts analysis: AC/DC lead big sales week for physical music

      by James Masterton

      The parade of rock veterans marches on as AC/DC charge (no pun intended) to their first No.1 album in over a decade. The 17th studio album of a 43-year career, Power Up becomes only their fourth chart-topping record and their first of brand new studio material to do so since 2008s’ Black Ice. Their first album released since the death of founder member Malcolm Young, Power Up sparks into life with a sale of 61,979 (52,955 of them physical), raising the bar once more as the highest weekly sale of 2020 so far. However, in an age when nobody quite reaches past heights this is down from the 92,780 with which Rock Or Bust opened its account back in 2016.

      More veterans on the comeback trail, albeit of a less mature vintage, McFly return this week with (2014’s McBusted project excepted) their first new studio album since 2010's Above The Noise. Tom, Danny, Dougie and Harry perhaps suffered from unfortunate timing, the whirlwind above denying them a shot at a first No.1 album for 15 years. Young Dumb Thrills is still their highest charting record since Wonderland in 2005, charging to No.2 with a sale of 20,750. McFly’s highest seller is their 2004 debut Room On The 3rd Floor which has flown to 787,316 sales to date.

      Two classical stars arrive in this week’s Top 10. Leading the charge is Andrea Bocelli, who arrives with his 22nd chart album since his 1997 debut, Believe takes him into the Top 10 for the 12th time as it lands at No.3 with 16,303

      It may lack the hit singles that its predecessors have spawned, but the fifth album of Paloma Faith's career maintains her 100% strike rate of Top 10 albums. Competing an all-new Top 4, Infinite Things moves the dial with 15,916 sales to its name.

      Also new is Andre Rieu, the Dutch fiddler and his Johann Strauss Orchestra charting an album in time for Christmas for the tenth consecutive year. Jolly Holiday (No.6, 14,700 sales) is his 24th Top 75 album and 11th Top 10 record, every one of them having charted since the start of the millennium.

      Taking its name from her popular series of Instagram Live shows streamed weekly during the spring lockdown, Songs From The Kitchen o features a mixture of Sophie Ellis-Bextor's own hits along with newly-recorded covers of some of the songs she performed during the livestreams. Her first release since 2019s The Song Diaries collection of orchestral arrangements it becomes her fourth Top 10 album and first for six years, charting at No.8 with 9,809 sales.

      The latest musical legend to be treated to a beyond the grave orchestral redubbing of his classic recordings is Johnny Cash. The much-heralded Johnny Cash and The RPO flies to No.10 upon release (7,861 sales), his first chart album of any kind since posthumous release Out Among The Stars made No.4 in April 2014.

      All this activity has finally put paid to one chart run, this week the first in 79 weeks that Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent by Lewis Capaldi is not a Top 10 album as it slides to a career low of No.15 (6,063 sales).

      Festive vibes aren't just confined to the singles market. A month on from its chart debut Dolly Parton's Holly Dolly Christmas starts to come into its own. No.32 upon release in October it now powers to a new peak of No.17 (5,434 sales). Meanwhile Michael Buble's apparently evergreen Christmas album waltzes its way further up the charts to stand at No.25 (3,851 sales).

      The Shadows makes the albums chart for the second time this year. Released under the Dreamboats & Petticoats brand, new compilation The First 60 Years becomes their first truly solo (i.e., Cliff-free) hits collection to chart in 15 years as it lands at No.22 (4,016 sales).

      Following chart placings for his mixtapes The Re-Up (2018) and No Magic (2019), K-Trap unleashes his first album proper this week. Street Side Effects is No.26 (3,848 sales). Also new is Americana star Chris Stapleton's fourth studio album Starting Over lands at No.31 (3,375 sales).

      The title a play on the nicknames of both men, Pluto X Baby Pluto is a collaborative release between Future and Lil Uzi Vert. A mere 58 of its 2,669 chart sales this week are paid downloads but the remaining batch of streams is enough to help it to No.39.

      Two years on from their debut album The Age Of Absurdity, Motorhead offshoot Phil Campbell and The bast*rd Sons arrive to pulverise our ears with their second offering. We're The bast*rds is this week's No.40 album with 2,660 sales.

      Finally, the deluxe collection of the week is Elton John's Jewel Box, an eight-disc collection spanning his entire career curated by the man himself. A premium priced release, it still commanded 1,856 sales this week to land at No.68.

      The market positively crackles with festive cheer. Sales overall are up 5.36% to stand at 1,994,727 (a new high for 2020) while physical sales hit a 46-week high of 556,584, up 20.21% week on week to now command 27.9% of the market.

      © Music Week

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      • #4
        There i was expecting to see Baccara in the Scottish top 5 (it's #2 on sales) when i saw this https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...singles-chart/
        It looks like they've turned it into a physical singles chart
        Don't bother updating your signature if it's a link. It takes you to completely random pages!!!!

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        • #5
          So there's a good chance that Mood and Head and Heart are 3 and 4 without ACR. Lemonade will be on ACR next week and may drop to around 20. Mariah Carey would be top 20 (possibly top 15?) without ACR. Last Christmas could also be top 20 if its sales are almost completely from streaming.... almost certainly top 24 if not... and the Pogues probably top 30!

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          • #6
            The first album to get bpi silver (60k units) in its first week this year. 5 albums have done it in two weeks, and special mention for Folklore which had 59,610 after two weeks.

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            • #7
              From Music Week Chart Pack

              Ariana Grande – Positions (Republic)

              This week’s sales: 44,581 | Physical: 0 | Downloads: 1,117 |
              Streams: 43,464 | Total sales to date: 200,740 |

              AC/DC – Power Up (Columbia)

              This week’s sales: 61,979 | Physical: 52,955 | Downloads: 6,423 |
              Streams: 2,600 | Total sales to date: 62,038 |

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                From Music Week Chart Pack

                AC/DC – Power Up (Columbia)

                This week’s sales: 61,979 | Physical: 52,955 | Downloads: 6,423 |
                Streams: 2,600 | Total sales to date: 62,038 |
                So Power Up had 59 sales last week? Was this due to early release of the CD or streams? Hang on. The numbers don't add up for this week's sales...there is 1 missing....Total is 61,978?
                Last edited by braindeadpj; Fri November 20, 2020, 19:31.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
                  So there's a good chance that Mood and Head and Heart are 3 and 4 without ACR. Lemonade will be on ACR next week and may drop to around 20. Mariah Carey would be top 20 (possibly top 15?) without ACR. Last Christmas could also be top 20 if its sales are almost completely from streaming.... almost certainly top 24 if not... and the Pogues probably top 30!
                  'Mood' and 'Head & Heart' - correct
                  Lemonade on ACR next week - correct (well, it's ACR from today but I know what you mean, from the chart published next Friday)
                  Mariah possibly top 15 without ACR - correct
                  Last Christmas top 24 - correct (not top 20 though)
                  Pogues top 30 - nope, top 40 though. Nowhere near the top 30 though.

                  4/5!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

                    So Power Up had 58 sales last week? Was this due to early release of the CD or streams?
                    Usually it's from record shops jumping the gun and selling the album early. Record shops are closed in England due to lockdown, not sure about elsewhere, so any early sale could have been an early shipment by post but a mere 58 sales is a low figure if it was a problem with early postal shipments. But however they were sold I'd guess it's an early physical sale rather than digital (downloads or streaming).

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                    • #11
                      Brilliant first week sales for AC/DC.

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                      • #12
                        Power Up charted at 29 on last week's Record Store chart.
                        Don't bother updating your signature if it's a link. It takes you to completely random pages!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                          'Mood' and 'Head & Heart' - correct
                          Lemonade on ACR next week - correct (well, it's ACR from today but I know what you mean, from the chart published next Friday)
                          Mariah possibly top 15 without ACR - correct
                          Last Christmas top 24 - correct (not top 20 though)
                          Pogues top 30 - nope, top 40 though. Nowhere near the top 30 though.

                          4/5!
                          Thanks Robbie.

                          Either the Pogues are 'very' download heavy (which isn't supported by their sales chart position of 38) or the adjusted sales must be pretty close together in the 30-40 region. The no. 30 has 11,81? sales so the 7,097 ACR-affected sales of the Pogues would suggest they must be close to 3,000 downloads - seems unlikely since they are only at 38 in sales - leaving around 8,000 total streams ((7,097-3,000) x2) and so roughly 11,000 sales overall.... If they only have 1,000 downloads then they'd be on approximately 13,000 sales (12,000 total streams), 2,000 downloads = 12,000 sales (10,000 total streams). 2,500 downloads = 11,500 sales (9,000 total downloads). 2,500-3,000 downloads seems a little high for position 38 in the downloads/sales chart but I guess it must be right...

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                          • #14
                            So is Baccara also on ACR? Though since it is no.2 on sales perhaps that is an irrelevant question?

                            I see that there are two songs called Holiday charting today one old and one new..... surprised that James Masterton didn't comment on that.

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                            • #15
                              'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' is automatically on ACR due to its age. Re: The Pogues or any other track on ACR - chart sales (downloads + ACR streams) don't always neatly allow for a conversion to a downloads + SCR equivalent. It depends on the nature of the ACR streams, that is the ratio of premium streams to ad-funded streams. It is easier to guesstimate SCR from ACR for some tracks more than others.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' is automatically on ACR due to its age. Re: The Pogues or any other track on ACR - chart sales (downloads + ACR streams) don't always neatly allow for a conversion to a downloads + SCR equivalent. It depends on the nature of the ACR streams, that is the ratio of premium streams to ad-funded streams. It is easier to guesstimate SCR from ACR for some tracks more than others.
                                "Guesstimate" it what the entire singles chart is based on. They have adjusted the streams many times to make it look like a large population of the UK is still purchasing music. When in essence they are doing no such thing. When large numbers of people are listening to some tracks, they reduced the numbers down to make them fit a system they created. They talk about the charts being for the whole population representing what people are enjoying. Then they do everything possible to ensure that doesn't happen.
                                So is the chart for the people who make the records? Well if I was an artist I wouldn't know how popular or how much money I was making from these charts.
                                Perhaps someone could tell me?
                                Who is making the most money?
                                Ariana Grande on 44,581 - Less 1,117 downloads (43,464) on streams.
                                OR

                                BBC Radio 2 Allstars for Children In Need ~ Stop Crying Your Heart Out - on 28,421 sales, most of these paid downloads.

                                My "guesstimate" would be! Assuming 99p for each download approx 28 thousand pounds for the Children In Need record. And based on 0.01p for each stream plus some downloads £500 for Grande.

                                Who needs to be number one when you can flog more copies at 7?
                                That doesn't make sense to have a chart like that.
                                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Robbie View Post
                                  'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' is automatically on ACR due to its age. Re: The Pogues or any other track on ACR - chart sales (downloads + ACR streams) don't always neatly allow for a conversion to a downloads + SCR equivalent. It depends on the nature of the ACR streams, that is the ratio of premium streams to ad-funded streams. It is easier to guesstimate SCR from ACR for some tracks more than others.
                                  Since the OCC halve both of the ratios (1:100 goes to 1:200 for premium and 1:600 goes to 1:1200 for freemium) to go from SCR to ACR, you just divide the streaming equivalent units by two. Therefore you just need to double the ACR streaming equivalent units to go to SCR streaming equivalent units. The ratio of premium to ad-funded is irrelevant. It would only have any bearing if you wanted to know total streams.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Graham76man View Post

                                    "Guesstimate" it what the entire singles chart is based on. They have adjusted the streams many times to make it look like a large population of the UK is still purchasing music. When in essence they are doing no such thing. When large numbers of people are listening to some tracks, they reduced the numbers down to make them fit a system they created. They talk about the charts being for the whole population representing what people are enjoying. Then they do everything possible to ensure that doesn't happen.
                                    So is the chart for the people who make the records? Well if I was an artist I wouldn't know how popular or how much money I was making from these charts.
                                    Perhaps someone could tell me?
                                    Who is making the most money?
                                    Ariana Grande on 44,581 - Less 1,117 downloads (43,464) on streams.
                                    OR

                                    BBC Radio 2 Allstars for Children In Need ~ Stop Crying Your Heart Out - on 28,421 sales, most of these paid downloads.

                                    My "guesstimate" would be! Assuming 99p for each download approx 28 thousand pounds for the Children In Need record. And based on 0.01p for each stream plus some downloads £500 for Grande.

                                    Who needs to be number one when you can flog more copies at 7?
                                    That doesn't make sense to have a chart like that.
                                    While I get your point and agree wholeheartedly, your value for a stream is not correct.
                                    According to: https://www.openmicuk.co.uk/advice/h...s-pay-artists/ last year, the lowest return per stream (Pandora) was 0.1p and not 0.01p and the highest (Napster) was 1.5p. Spotify was approx. 0.35p per stream. Therefore while you are correct that actual sales does bring in more money, the disparity is not as great. The actual value will of course depend on the ratio of the streams (i.e. premium to ad-supported). Using the average Spotify value for 2019, the return would be approx. 16,317 pounds, so about 60% of the amount of the number 7 record.....
                                    Actually youtube (the most popular streaming service in the UK in 2018?) has the worst streaming value of 0.059p per stream BUT youtube (and 'you' as an artist) also generates revenue from the ads etc, so your return would be higher than this - approx. 3670 pounds from the streams + downloads if they were all on youtube.
                                    ​​​​​​The link https://www.millennialmind.co/stream...lculator-2019/ supposedly allows you to calculate the return for each service.

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                                    • #19
                                      I was just giving the lowest example of the cost of the stream. If these figures are known then it would be possible to make a chart based on income rather than counting a track or the nearest to a download. You wouldn't need the formulas the OCC needs to compile it's chart. You can just count up the money. Though personally I don't think any add funded streams should be counted at all. As they are free to the user and not based on someone buying records/music.
                                      This way everyone streaming music even only once would count to the chart, whereas now you have to be part of a mass group of uses who stream or buy a record! But even 0.059p could make a difference! However even people buying a record/music would make a bigger difference. Since even a cheap download can outsell a normal priced 99p one. And then the physical market has even more money to a sale. So a £2.99 download is the same as an album at £6.99 on the old system.
                                      To me adding up the money is a much better system than comparing 1 download to so many streams and so on... It takes out the discount factor form an individual site. The site offering the discounts would have to sell at least twice the amount as a normal price track. Such a chart would acknowledge the greater spending on physical music and boost the high street stores profiles, without having "store days".
                                      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                      • #20
                                        Why be so imprecise and say in a chart report "most of them paid downloads"? Would it have hurt to tell us exactly how many? James Masterson pisses me off! Bring back Alan Jones all is forgiven!

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                                        • #21
                                          THANK YOU BLONDINI.
                                          RNR NEVER DIE.

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                                          • #22
                                            I was forgetting that the figures for streams were multiples to make up the download number.
                                            So the money sales figures were vastly underestimated.
                                            So I checked the top 100 UK streams on Spotify to get the true figure of streams, of course it doesn't take into account any other streaming sites. But based on 0.35p per stream:
                                            Ariana Grande made £1,162,312.50p
                                            The Number Two on Spotify - 24K Golden made £886,676.70p
                                            Down at 100 - Headie One/ Drake - made £172,521.30

                                            It's pretty obvious if these figures are correct why the music industry doesn't want to publish a chart based on money made.
                                            Telling the public an artist is making something like (if you add in all the streaming sites in too) without downloads being added on, well over two million pounds each week I don't think would go down to well.
                                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                                              I was forgetting that the figures for streams were multiples to make up the download number.
                                              So the money sales figures were vastly underestimated.
                                              So I checked the top 100 UK streams on Spotify to get the true figure of streams, of course it doesn't take into account any other streaming sites. But based on 0.35p per stream:
                                              Ariana Grande made £1,162,312.50p
                                              The Number Two on Spotify - 24K Golden made £886,676.70p
                                              Down at 100 - Headie One/ Drake - made £172,521.30

                                              It's pretty obvious if these figures are correct why the music industry doesn't want to publish a chart based on money made.
                                              Telling the public an artist is making something like (if you add in all the streaming sites in too) without downloads being added on, well over two million pounds each week I don't think would go down to well.
                                              Graham,
                                              I'm struggling to follow your numbers - I looked at the UK spotify stats for the Ariana Grande track which were just over 2.7m streams, which converts to a monetary amount of just under £9,500. I'd guess total streams from all platforms would be somewhere in the 5.5 - 6 million mark for this song, worth around £20,000.
                                              My thread on Pulse: Weekly Top 10 Albums Sales Thread
                                              http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thre...s-sales-thread

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by oldbloke View Post

                                                Graham,
                                                I'm struggling to follow your numbers - I looked at the UK spotify stats for the Ariana Grande track which were just over 2.7m streams, which converts to a monetary amount of just under £9,500. I'd guess total streams from all platforms would be somewhere in the 5.5 - 6 million mark for this song, worth around £20,000.
                                                I just used a calculator and times 0.35p by the week's streaming figure for the 5 November and that was the result, it was for 3,830,893 streams!
                                                And on 2,7m it would be £945,000.00p
                                                The price is based on the stream value Brian gave. There are no adjustments to the figures like the OCC chart uses.
                                                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by Graham76man View Post
                                                  I was forgetting that the figures for streams were multiples to make up the download number.
                                                  So the money sales figures were vastly underestimated.
                                                  So I checked the top 100 UK streams on Spotify to get the true figure of streams, of course it doesn't take into account any other streaming sites. But based on 0.35p per stream:
                                                  Ariana Grande made £1,162,312.50p
                                                  The Number Two on Spotify - 24K Golden made £886,676.70p
                                                  Down at 100 - Headie One/ Drake - made £172,521.30

                                                  It's pretty obvious if these figures are correct why the music industry doesn't want to publish a chart based on money made.
                                                  Telling the public an artist is making something like (if you add in all the streaming sites in too) without downloads being added on, well over two million pounds each week I don't think would go down to well.
                                                  Graham, the values you are giving are in pence. You need to divide by 100 to give pounds. I think that's why there is some confusion i.e. it is 11,623.125 pounds for Ariana.

                                                  Therefore based on the spotify streams your original point is still valid since the no.7 hit with primarily download sales raised between 22,000 (the weekly update at OCC says over 22,000 downloads) and 28,000 pounds (depending on the streaming quantity).

                                                  However, since we know the streaming equivalent units for Ariana: 43,464 - we can 'guesstimate' the total streams to be between 4,346,400 and 26,078,400 depending on whether they are premium or freemium (ad-supported) streams (x100 to x600). We know that they are not all fremium as there was no announcement of breaking the streaming record of 21 million set by Wham last christmas with Last Christmas! This would equate to between 15,212.4 pounds and 91,274 pounds. Assuming a 50:50 ratio (almost certainly not correct), this would give total streams of 15,212,400 which equates to 53,243.4 pounds. In this case, your original point would be false. Of course the spotify ratio is lower than that for apple music and google play, around the same for Amazon and higher than Pandora and youtube, so if youtube is still the most popular streaming site (as it was in 2018) then it would be only 8,975 pounds if all were on youtube. Since we know the spotify streams were 3,830,893, then we can subtract this from the total streams to give: 11,381,507 streams and 6,715 pounds, which added to the spotify total would be 18,338 pounds and thus less than the amount raised by the no.7.

                                                  Basically without knowing the exact streaming contributions from each site, it is difficult to know with any certainty whether the no.1 had more revenue than the no.7, but it is entirely possible that the no.7 record with its heavily download-biased sales generated more revenue.
                                                  If anyone knows the average ratio of streams by site (and fremium:premium) then a 'guesstimated' equation could be devised to generate the approximate revenue each time...

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