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  • Ewokguy15
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    Originally posted by bm08 View Post

    Yeah but that's the equivalent of a big name releasing music.

    For example, Olivia Rodrigo having the #1 song for 7-8 weeks was a given. Same with Adele etc etc.

    How do we contend with what people personally think is boring when everyone thinks different things are boring? The charts should be an objective measure outside of how people feel.
    It’s the equivalent to Good 4 U topping the chart every year, not a new fresh single.

    The chart companies will do what they want but I personally would love to see them move Christmas song older than 3 years to a separate chart.

    They will still get the same high streams, it would just be nice to go back to a time when the Christmas #1 wasn’t either Wham or Mariah which it would be for the foreseeable future.

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  • bm08
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    Originally posted by Ewokguy15 View Post

    I think it’s because it makes the charts are now boring for 2 months of the year. Having the same 10 songs in the top 10 every year isn’t exciting in any way, especially when pretty much all of them are from the deceased
    Yeah but that's the equivalent of a big name releasing music.

    For example, Olivia Rodrigo having the #1 song for 7-8 weeks was a given. Same with Adele etc etc.

    How do we contend with what people personally think is boring when everyone thinks different things are boring? The charts should be an objective measure outside of how people feel.

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  • Ewokguy15
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    Originally posted by bm08 View Post
    Honestly dont see the issue with Christmas songs topping the charts when it is currently the most consumed songs of the month. It literally is just 5-6weeks per year.

    I dislike a lot of “junk” that is regularly on the chart but I dont think they should be removed or separated, as the chart is simply reflecting that “junk” is what people are consuming. Just because people dislike certain songs doing well doesnt mean those disliked songs should be penalised.

    The charts will have no credibility.
    I think it’s because it makes the charts are now boring for 2 months of the year. Having the same 10 songs in the top 10 every year isn’t exciting in any way, especially when pretty much all of them are from the deceased

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  • bm08
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    Honestly dont see the issue with Christmas songs topping the charts when it is currently the most consumed songs of the month. It literally is just 5-6weeks per year.

    I dislike a lot of “junk” that is regularly on the chart but I dont think they should be removed or separated, as the chart is simply reflecting that “junk” is what people are consuming. Just because people dislike certain songs doing well doesnt mean those disliked songs should be penalised.

    The charts will have no credibility.

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  • ShayLaB
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    Separate Christmas chart incoming that only gets compiled and announced in December but gets promotion via the OCC.

    A bit like the album compilation chart.

    It's not the same issue but it's close...a barage of junk clogging up the chart.

    Credibility went out the window with ACR.

    There is no right answer here...just a decision
    Last edited by ShayLaB; Sun December 5, 2021, 23:25.

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  • braindeadpj
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    They should only be counting songs selected by the listener, otherwise it's the same as counting radio plays which the chart compilers have always shied away from (rightly so). Passive listening should never be counted as it's not real listening and so not an indication of whether a song is popular or not. Choosing not to turn something off/ skip a track is not the same as wanting to listen to a track.
    Many people do primarily listen to christmas songs at christmas time so the charts should reflect this, however much it may create a distorted picture for the 3-5 weeks around christmas....

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  • Robbie
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    I think the OCC just don't know what to do with Christmas songs. They could permanently bar tracks older than 3 years from charting but while it would remove the problem in one way it would also cause problems in another way, namely killing off any credibility the charts still have if most of the big songs of the week are excluded from the chart.

    The only other way is to exclude or at least downweight songs played from Spotify etc curated playlists but I don't know if this would even be possible.

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  • SholasBoy
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    I feel like it's only a matter of time before the OCC step in.

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  • Blondini
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    that chart run for Gayle is gong to look very odd - out of the top 20 then back up to (probably) number one in the new year!

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  • Blondini
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    https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...istmas__34600/

    05 December 2021
    Ed Sheeran & Elton John heading for Number 1 with Merry Christmas

    Could the A-List pair dethrone Adele's Easy On Me?
    By Helen Ainsley
    Ed Sheeran & Elton John are heading straight for Number 1 on the Official Singles Chart with their brand new single, Merry Christmas.

    With more than double the chart sales of its closest competition – reigning Number 1, Easy On Me by Adele – the pair are sleigh-riding into success on the Official Chart: First Look. If the song can hold on, it will mark Ed Sheeran’s 12th total Number 1 single, and third this year, and Elton John’s 9th and second this year.





    14 total Christmas songs are currently sitting in the Top 20 after 48 hours, including George Ezra’s Come On Home For Christmas, soaring 31 places to Number 5. If he holds on, it will mark George’s first Top 5 single since his 2018 Number 1 smash Shotgun.

    Other festive hits set to rise into the Top 10 this week include The Pogues & Kirsty MacColl’s Fairytale Of New York (6), Shakin’ Stevens’ Merry Christmas Everyone (7), Michael Buble’s It’s Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas (8) and Brenda Lee’s Rockin’ Around The Christmas Tree (9).
    MORE: Vote for the UK's favourite Christmas Number 1


    British singer Olivia Dean could land her first Top 20 hit, and indeed her first Top 40, with her Amazon Originals cover of Nat King Cole’s classic The Christmas Song. The track has already rocketed 29 places so far this week to Number 17.

    The remaining hits jingling their way into the First Look are: Band Aid – Do They Know It’s Christmas? (11), Elton John – Step Into Christmas (12), Kelly Clarkson – Underneath The Tree (14), Ariana Grande – Santa Tell Me (16) and Andy Williams – It’s The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year (19).

    The Official Singles Chart Top 100 is revealed on OfficialCharts.com every Friday at 5.45pm. Follow the Top 40 countdown live on BBC Radio 1’s Official Chart show with Scott Mills.
    Official Chart: First Look Top 20 - December 5, 2021
    LW CURRENT TITLE ARTIST
    NE 1 MERRY CHRISTMAS ED SHEERAN & ELTON JOHN
    1 2 EASY ON ME ADELE
    4 3 LAST CHRISTMAS WHAM
    3 4 ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU MARIAH CAREY
    36 5 COME ON HOME FOR CHRISTMAS GEORGE EZRA
    16 6 FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK POGUES FT KIRSTY MACCOLL
    17 7 MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE SHAKIN' STEVENS
    20 8 IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK A LOT LIKE MICHAEL BUBLE
    22 9 ROCKIN' AROUND THE CHRISTMAS TREE BRENDA LEE
    2 10 ABCDEFU GAYLE
    23 11 DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS BAND AID
    30 12 STEP INTO CHRISTMAS ELTON JOHN
    9 13 OVERPASS GRAFFITI ED SHEERAN
    29 14 UNDERNEATH THE TREE KELLY CLARKSON
    15 15 COLD HEART ELTON JOHN & DUA LIPA
    31 16 SANTA TELL ME ARIANA GRANDE
    46 17 THE CHRISTMAS SONG OLIVIA DEAN
    7 18 FLOWERS (SAY MY NAME) ARRDEE
    38 19 IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR ANDY WILLIAMS
    11 20 COMING FOR YOU SWITCHOTR FT A1 & J1
    ©2021 Official Charts Company. All rights reserved.

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  • Robbie
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    Gayle's track has performed better as the week goes on. It will be interesting to find out where she is later today as the algorithm used by the OCC to estimate Thursday streams sometimes seems to favour tracks that were doing better in the first few days.

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  • Blondini
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    Thursday Top 40 Update
    Missing Data: Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify and YouTube (all for Wednesday)

    Singles

    1 Adele - Easy On Me (51.2k)
    2 Gayle - ABCDEFU (22.8k)
    3 Adele - I Drink Wine (22.0k)
    4 Adele - Oh My God (21.7k)
    5 ArrDee - Flowers (Say My Name) (21.3k)

    6-10
    6 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You
    7 Wham! - Last Christmas
    8 Sam Fender - Seventeen Going Under
    9 Ed Sheeran - Overpass Graffiti

    11-20
    18 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone ^
    19 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York ^

    21-30
    21 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas ^
    24 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree ^
    27 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? ^
    29 Kelly Clarkson - Underneath The Tree ^
    30 Elton John - Step Into Christmas ^

    31-40
    31 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me ^
    32 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday ^
    34 Imagine Dragons feat. JID - Enemy
    37 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas ^
    40 George Ezra - Come On Home For Christmas *

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Adele - 30 (87.9k)
    2 Westlife - Wild Dreams (36.6k) *
    3 Ed Sheeran - = (30.7k)
    4 ABBA - Voyage (23.9k)
    5 Gary Barlow - The Dream Of Christmas (17.9k) *

    6-10
    6 Rod Stewart - The Tears Of Hercules
    7 Michael Bublé - Christmas
    8 Elton John - The Lockdown Sessions

    11-20
    14 Coldplay - Music Of The Spheres
    16 Sam Fender - Seventeen Going Under
    18 Queen - Greatest Hits
    19 Olivia Rodrigo - Sour
    20 David Bowie - Brilliant Adventure (1992-2001) [box set] *

    21-30
    22 Deep Purple - Turning To Crime *
    24 Gregory Porter - Still Rising - The Collection ^
    25 The Beatles - Let It Be ^
    29 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

    31-40
    32 Harry Styles - Fine Line
    36 Arctic Monkeys - AM ^
    37 Ronan Keating - Songs from Home ^
    39 The Temperance Movement - Covers & Rarities *
    40 The Beatles - 1 ^

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  • MadNuno
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    Nice to see that Physical units in UK are higher this year than the all time historical low of 2020 (Covid Pandemic closing most shops during almost 6 months didn't help for 2020 physical sales).

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  • Blondini
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    Wednesday Top 40 Update
    Source: Music Week
    Missing Data: unknown

    Singles

    1 Adele - Easy On Me (43,880)
    2 Adele - I Drink Wine (18,626)
    3 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (18,566)
    4 Adele - Oh My God (18,316)
    5 Gayle - ABCDEFU (18,278)

    6-10
    3 Wham! - Last Christmas
    8 Sam Fender - Seventeen Going Under
    9 Ed Sheeran - Overpass Graffiti

    11-20
    18 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone ^
    19 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York ^
    20 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas ^

    21-30
    22 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree ^
    27 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? ^
    28 Kelly Clarkson - Underneath The Tree ^
    29 Elton John - Step Into Christmas ^
    30 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me ^

    31-40
    31 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday ^
    32 George Ezra - Come On Home For Christmas *
    35 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas ^
    37 Andy Williams - It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year ^
    40 Olivia Dean - The Christmas Song *

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Adele - 30 (75,199) [58,096 physical, 12,379 streaming, 4,724 downloads]
    2 Westlife - Wild Dreams (35,005) [more than 31,000 physical] *
    3 Ed Sheeran - = (26,348)
    4 ABBA - Voyage (19,829)
    5 Gary Barlow - The Dream Of Christmas (16,665) *

    6-10
    6 Rod Stewart - The Tears Of Hercules
    7 Michael Bublé - Christmas
    8 Elton John - The Lockdown Sessions

    11-20
    14 Coldplay - Music Of The Spheres
    16 Sam Fender - Seventeen Going Under
    17 David Bowie - Brilliant Adventure (1992-2001) [box set] *
    19 Deep Purple - Turning To Crime *
    20 Queen - Greatest Hits

    21-30
    22 Gregory Porter - Still Rising - The Collection ^
    27 The Beatles - Let It Be ^
    29 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

    31-40
    32 Harry Styles - Fine Line
    33 The Temperance Movement - Covers & Rarities *
    37 Ronan Keating - Songs From Home ^
    38 Arctic Monkeys - AM ^
    40 The Beatles - 1 ^

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  • Blondini
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    Originally posted by SholasBoy View Post
    Is George Ezra one of those bloody Amazon releases?
    yes, along with Olivia Dean, Camila Cabello, Alessia Cara in the midweek 100. As well as a new Amazon only version of Taylor's Christmas Tree Farm.

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  • jszmiles
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    Originally posted by SholasBoy View Post
    Is George Ezra one of those bloody Amazon releases?
    I read on BJ that indeed it is

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  • SholasBoy
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    Is George Ezra one of those bloody Amazon releases?

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  • Lemo
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    Not a bad drop for Adele. Expect another 100k week.

    Also expect the Adele, ABBA, Ed domination to happen for several weeks. They ain’t gonna move

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  • Blondini
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    Tuesday Top 40 Update
    Missing Data: Apple Music, Spotify and YouTube (all for Monday)

    Singles

    1 Adele - Easy On Me (34.7k)
    2 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (15.0k)
    3 Wham! - Last Christmas (14.7k)
    4 Adele - I Drink Wine (14.5k)
    5 Adele - Oh My God (14.3k)

    6-10
    6 ArrDee - Flowers (Say My Name)
    7 Gayle - ABCDEFU
    8 Ed Sheeran - Overpass Graffiti

    11-20
    17 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone ^
    18 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York ^
    20 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas ^

    21-30
    21 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree ^
    24 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? ^
    28 George Ezra - Come On Home For Christmas *
    29 Kelly Clarkson - Underneath The Tree ^
    30 Elton John - Step Into Christmas ^

    31-40
    31 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday ^
    32 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me ^
    33 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas ^
    35 Olivia Dean - The Christmas Song *
    37 Andy Williams - It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year ^

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Adele - 30 (61.1k)
    2 Westlife - Wild Dreams (33.0k) *
    3 Ed Sheeran - = (21.2k)
    4 ABBA - Voyage (15.6k)
    5 Gary Barlow - The Dream Of Christmas (15.4k) *

    6-10
    6 Michael Bublé - Christmas
    7 Rod Stewart - The Tears Of Hercules
    8 Elton John - The Lockdown Sessions

    11-20
    13 Coldplay - Music Of The Spheres
    15 David Bowie - Brilliant Adventure (1992-2001) [box set] *
    17 Deep Purple - Turning To Crime *
    18 Sam Fender - Seventeen Going Under
    20 Queen - Greatest Hits

    21-30
    21 Gregory Porter - Still Rising - The Collection ^
    27 The Temperance Movement - Covers & Rarities *
    28 The Beatles - Let It Be ^
    30 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

    31-40
    33 Harry Styles - Fine Line
    36 Ronan Keating - Songs From Home ^
    38 Arctic Monkeys - AM ^

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  • Gambo
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    Interesting comparison of Spotify streams of Christmas songs, but it's definitely true that 2020 is likely to have seen a long-term record set in this regard given the pent-up disappointment of the past ten months of the pandemic and the uncertainty it continued (and alas still is continuing) to impose upon our capacity to enjoy the seasonal holiday fully.

    Moreover, as I recall, on Sun 29th Nov '20, we were all still in the second national lockdown in the UK, which was instituted quite suddenly on Thu 5th Nov and wasn't set to lift until Wed 2nd Dec at the earliest. So at-home streaming born of boredom and lack of practical variety in daily activities was at a high. Happily the lockdown did cease as planned, only to have tentative hopes of a vaguely-normal Christmas to be dashed as they deemed it necessary yet-again to effectively preclude permissible socialisation over the crucial period through very severe regionalised restrictions, followed of course by a third full-blown lockdown from early Jan. With that backdrop it's little wonder the Xmas hits all soared to new levels of listening last Nov/Dec.

    Let us dearly hope there is no need for a repeat of last year in the coming weeks. The more down streaming numbers are shown to be on 12 months ago, the easier this potential new wave will've been on people.

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  • MadNuno
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Don't the Christmas songs do better at the weekend and thenm fade a bit during the week (until Christmas week itself)?
    Monday Spotify UK numbers are in and I guess you are right.
    Adele remains over 500k streams while both Wham! and Mariah dropped bellow 300k streams.

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  • Thriller
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    I think because of the nature of last year everyone was desperate to get into the Christmas spirit earlier.

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  • SholasBoy
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    Sometimes songs become more prominent different years depending which are being used on Christmas adverts, I assume Nat King Cole is on an advert this year?

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  • Charter2000
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post
    So Mariah is basically number 1 already (if it wasn't on ACR) and it's not even December.
    Maybe the weather has helped get people in the mood, too. Arwen aside, it does look like Christmas.

    Christmas songs are actually performing worse than last year. The comparable day for Sunday (2 days ago) would be Sunday, November 29 2020: https://spotifycharts.com/regional/gb/daily/2020-11-29

    In comparison, streams of AIWFCIY went down 26% compared to last year, "Last Christmas" streams are down 25%. Here's a comparison of the Top 20 christmas songs on Spotify:
    Artist - Track Streams 2021 Streams 2020
    Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You 442.665 596.678 -26%
    Wham! - Last Christmas 431.815 575.199 -25%
    Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 329.506 455.312 -28%
    Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree 299.427 440.742 -32%
    Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone 275.861 235.758 +17%
    The Pogues - Fairytale of New York (feat. Kirsty MacColl) 263.826 313.934 -16%
    Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 247.633 421.028 -41%
    Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? - 1984 Version 240.803 319.822 -25%
    Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 236.863 345.906 -32%
    Chris Rea - Driving Home for Christmas - 2019 Remaster 234.264 281.183 -17%
    Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 234.054 351.178 -33%
    Elton John - Step Into Christmas 233.561 229.620 +2%
    Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 226.619 360.678 -37%
    Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday 206.808 201.502 +3%
    Michael Bublé - Holly Jolly Christmas 191.335 268.024 -29%
    The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride 181.946 285.929 -36%
    John Lennon - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) - Remastered 2010 181.609 179.572 +1%
    Justin Bieber - Mistletoe 179.058 225.328 -21%
    Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You) 169.006 96.035 +76%
    Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 163.166 276.638 -41%

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  • MadNuno
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    Don't the Christmas songs do better at the weekend and thenm fade a bit during the week (until Christmas week itself)?
    Not sure... doesn't look that way. Looking at UK Spotify chart the Christmas songs have been increasing streams everyday so tomorrow we will verify if they keep increasing after the weekend as today numbers are Sunday..

    Yesterday Adele song had 510k streams on Spotify UK to be #01, Mariah was at 442k and WHAM! had 431k at 2nd and 3rd.

    On the previous day both Mariah and Wham! had less than 400k streams and on the day before both had less than 300k streams and were not even TOP 10 most streamed songs.

    https://spotifycharts.com/regional/gb/daily/2021-11-28

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