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  • Robbie
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    Shuffle is working for me on Spotify on '30'. Maybe it was just turned off for a day or two?

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  • Blondini
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    I just don't see how it's outrageous for an artist to want to have their album listened to in the way an album is meant to be listened to. Track 1, track 2 etc
    Call me old fashioned.

    Spotify is just a store. One artist out of billions disabling shuffle is a measly percentage of your subscription price. Unless you listen to Adele all the time.

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  • Charter2000
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post
    I've never shuffled an album in the 8 or 9 years i've had Spotify and Deezer. If i want to select certain songs i'll make them into a playlist. You can shuffle your own playlists, right?
    You can still shuffle albums, it's just not the default option anymore when hitting the play button. If you want to shuffle, you now need to press play or choose a track and after that decide to shuffle. So it's really not a big deal. Imo it never made sense to have shuffle as the default setting for albums anyway, it's just that Spotify basically introduced the play button as a "play in shuffle mode" button back then for everybody who wanted to listen in shuffle mode to playlists or artists (or albums). I think they intended that users who wanted to listen to the whole album/playlist just hit the first track while users who want to shuffle hit the play button. I never use the play button but for lots of users it seems to be normal to hit the button instead of tapping the first track so lots of these users probably listened in shuffle without wanting it. By the way they changed this for albums in general, not just "30".

    Here's how the play buttons look now with playlists still having shuffle as the default but albums don't:

    Last edited by Charter2000; Fri November 26, 2021, 20:21.

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  • SholasBoy
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    If you don't have a paid account on spotify, doesn't it automatically shuffle everything rather than let you choose exactly which track you want to listen to? In which case how can that count towards sales?

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  • jszmiles
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post
    I've never shuffled an album in the 8 or 9 years i've had Spotify and Deezer. If i want to select certain songs i'll make them into a playlist. You can shuffle your own playlists, right?
    I'm actually surprised she's the first artist that has done this. An artist can do whatever the hell they want with their own album. Unless you've bought it, you have no right to say they can't.
    I pay for the subscription, it's the same. There's no difference between streaming and sale these days and I kinda disagree with the statement bolded. I as a consumer can chose what to listen first, would you eat numbered M&Ms one after another just because they told you to?

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  • Blondini
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    I've never shuffled an album in the 8 or 9 years i've had Spotify and Deezer. If i want to select certain songs i'll make them into a playlist. You can shuffle your own playlists, right?
    I'm actually surprised she's the first artist that has done this. An artist can do whatever the hell they want with their own album. Unless you've bought it, you have no right to say they can't.

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  • jszmiles
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    Originally posted by Lookingfornews81 View Post

    Do you think? I really liked that actually. I can see it artistically is the only way, the album make so much more sense the way she "tracked it". I cannot listen to album in shuffle especially album i already new so i feel it must be the same for the new ones. to be listen the way it was intended.
    it's a limitation of freedom of listening, artist can not do that. MInd you, that some non-english listeners just enjoy the song without understanding the meaning (I do it when I turn off the translator in my head, it's an advantage of being not_english speaking person). Just imagine yourself, listening to the Polish artist's album when you like to listen it in a shuffle way (because you don't understand the lyrics) but you can not because someone said so.

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  • Lookingfornews81
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    Originally posted by jszmiles View Post

    I think if she won't put it on stream platforms as she did with 25, she could even top 500K mark. I also hate the fact that she asked Spotify to remove shuffle button from main album site. She's lost much in my eyes after that
    Do you think? I really liked that actually. I can see it artistically is the only way, the album make so much more sense the way she "tracked it". I cannot listen to album in shuffle especially album i already new so i feel it must be the same for the new ones. to be listen the way it was intended.

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  • jszmiles
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    Originally posted by SerbianInLA View Post
    With all due respect, 250k is way lower than I thought. I was predicting 300-400k.
    I think if she won't put it on stream platforms as she did with 25, she could even top 500K mark. I also hate the fact that she asked Spotify to remove shuffle button from main album site. She's lost much in my eyes after that

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  • SerbianInLA
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    With all due respect, 250k is way lower than I thought. I was predicting 300-400k.

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  • jszmiles
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    That's a shame, "my Little Love" is such unique track. It would really made the chart look much more diversed

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  • InFamous
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post

    I Drink Wine overtook it on Monday!
    Oh thanks, thats interesting

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  • Blondini
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    Originally posted by InFamous View Post

    Isn't my little love the third track charting?
    I Drink Wine overtook it on Monday!

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  • InFamous
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    Originally posted by SholasBoy View Post
    Is "I Drink Wine" definitely looking like being the third new entry for Adele or are any of the other tracks within a shot of overtaking it?
    Isn't my little love the third track charting?

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  • SholasBoy
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    Is "I Drink Wine" definitely looking like being the third new entry for Adele or are any of the other tracks within a shot of overtaking it?

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  • Blondini
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    Thursday Top 40 Update
    Missing Data: Amazon Home Delivery, Apple Music and Spotify (all for Wednesday) and YouTube (Tue and Wed)

    Singles

    1 Adele - Easy On Me (76.2k)
    2 Adele - Oh My God (40.6k) *
    3 Ed Sheeran - Shivers (38.8k)
    4 Adele - I Drink Wine (37.4k) *
    5 Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits (32.0k)

    6-10
    8 D-Block Europe feat. Central Cee - Overseas *

    11-20
    13 Acraze feat. Cherish - Do It To It
    16 Coldplay & BTS - My Universe
    18 Gayle - ABCDEFU

    21-30
    21 Niall Horan & Anne-Marie - Everywhere *
    22 Dermot Kennedy - Better Days
    23 D-Block Europe - No Competition
    24 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You ^
    26 Wham! - Last Christmas
    30 Justin Bieber - Ghost

    31-40
    35 D-Block Europe - Funny Bunny Nails *
    40 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York ^

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Adele - 30 (233.5k) *
    2 Ed Sheeran - = (26.1k)
    3 Oasis - Knebworth 1996 (live) (25.0k) *
    4 ABBA - Voyage (24.2k)
    5 Robert Plant & Alison Krauss - Raise The Roof (18.8k) *

    6-10
    6 Elbow - Flying Dream 1 *
    7 D-Block Europe - Home Alone 2 *
    8 James Blunt - The Stars Beneath My Feet (2004-2021) *
    10 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - The Legendary 1979 No Nukes Concerts *

    11-20
    12 Andre Rieu & His Johann Strauss Orchestra - Happy Together *
    16 The Darkness - Motorheart *
    17 The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Motown with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (A Symphony Of Soul) *
    18 Michael Bublé - Christmas ^
    19 Adele - 21

    21-30
    22 Sting - The Bridge *
    30 Adele - 19

    31-40
    33 Twenty One Pilots - Scaled and Icy ^
    35 Harry Styles - Fine Line
    37 Oasis - Time Flies... 1994-2009 ^
    38 U2 - Achtung Baby ^
    39 Tom Grennan - Evering Road ^
    Last edited by Blondini; Thu November 25, 2021, 17:48.

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  • Blondini
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    Originally posted by MadNuno View Post

    I do prefer to buy physical formats too (CDs, cassette or Vinyl) but I did bought Madonna "True Blue anniversary edition" and "Madame X Theater Experience" on iTunes as they are still not available on physical format.

    I also use streaming as well but mostly to get to know songs - Spotify or Apple Music are my music store listening booth or "radio playlists". Sometimes I put them on instead of MTV or MCM and I believe many other people do the same as I do.
    Very occasionally i download from Amazon but it's been a while - obviously you get the instant rip if you purchase some CDs. It's been so long since i downloaded from iTunes and i can't be bothered coming up with another password to get into it. Streaming is a great resource for me to listen to music i wouldn't have been able to before and as i have limited money i can't buy everything i like (even when i had a job i couldn't!). And it's much easier to search for something on YouTube than it is to fish through all my CDs (thousands of singles!) to find something.

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  • brian05
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    Poster at Buzzjack says 233,548 - Adele.

    Should make 250k for the week.

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  • jszmiles
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post

    The singles chart is fairly meaningless to anyone over 25. I (as a 47 - nearly 48 - year old) "refuse" to download any song now as i don't need to. But i buy physical albums on CD or cassette.
    oh wow, didn't know you are much older than I am (+10y.) I share the opinion that the older you are the less you care about new music, in other words, you are not that keen on finding new music. You are an exception

    , I would defo care about singles chart, if there would be at least 1% chances for older acts to chart on decent positions. It's almost impossible, even for mosters like Madonna or Rolling Stones to have a singles chart hit these days
    Last edited by jszmiles; Thu November 25, 2021, 14:51.

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  • MadNuno
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    Originally posted by Blondini View Post

    Surely a number 1 album is something to celebrate. I personally only follow the albums chart as there's far more variety on it.
    Singles are now split into the kids who stream and the older obsessives who buy vinyl. The singles chart is fairly meaningless to anyone over 25. I (as a 47 - nearly 48 - year old) "refuse" to download any song now as i don't need to. But i buy physical albums on CD or cassette.
    I do prefer to buy physical formats too (CDs, cassette or Vinyl) but I did bought Madonna "True Blue anniversary edition" and "Madame X Theater Experience" on iTunes as they are still not available on physical format.

    I also use streaming as well but mostly to get to know songs - Spotify or Apple Music are my music store listening booth or "radio playlists". Sometimes I put them on instead of MTV or MCM and I believe many other people do the same as I do.
    Last edited by MadNuno; Thu November 25, 2021, 12:51.

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  • MadNuno
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    For some reason they still do a different "Album Sales Chart" and "Single Sales Chart".
    They do know it's different and as they don't know what the future olds they still make all charts.

    The official chart today is the one including streaming while in the past the official chart was the "sales chart". The sales chart is still being made and who knows if in the future the sales chart does not become the "official chart" again? None knows what the future holds. For now streams keep rising but it looks like sales are also rising again (on the physical format now). During 2021 CD-singles have seen a huge come back compared to previous decade yearly sales.

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  • Blondini
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    Originally posted by 97mde View Post



    I hate the fact streams are included in the charts and it’s been on a downward spiral since they announced it. How can you have a band like say, Blossoms who have had two No 1 albums, but their highest placing on the singles chart is 77. This is not right and including of streams in the charts is solely to blame. It’s allowing people who refuse to pay for music to dictate what is in the charts. Again, this isn’t correct and needs to be addressed.
    it would be the same situation if you only include downloads, though. Rock music doesn't do well digitally. It does well physically. Indie bands suffered as soon as downloads were allowed in the charts. Unless you've got a song on a TikTok viral craze or a fluke event like Maneskin had after Eurovision rock and indie are screwed.

    Blossoms have never had a huge song on iTunes or Amazon. Actual sales are so small that they don't represent what people are listening to - the top song on iTunes only sells about a hundred max each day. They had to include streams or their audience would dwindle to a few hundred listeners.

    Surely a number 1 album is something to celebrate. I personally only follow the albums chart as there's far more variety on it.
    Singles are now split into the kids who stream and the older obsessives who buy vinyl. The singles chart is fairly meaningless to anyone over 25. I (as a 47 - nearly 48 - year old) "refuse" to download any song now as i don't need to. But i buy physical albums on CD or cassette.
    Last edited by Blondini; Wed November 24, 2021, 23:03.

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  • 97mde
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    Originally posted by Robbie View Post
    ^
    Indeed. It's "chart sales" that are calculated these days and pretending that they are the same as paid-for sales creates something of a mess. The OCC have more or less acknowledged this with singles / tracks where they now often list separate figures for paid-for sales and total streams when announcing historical sales figures totals but they haven't done the same for albums.
    Personally I think it’s all to do with keeping things relevant.

    For example, Adele and Ed Sherran's total combined sales are said to be around 200 million. This as we all know it utter rubbish, but it makes good copy to hear about these mega selling artists. The actual figure on sales is actually around 50 million for both of them. Decent indeed and not to be sniffed at, however it’s very misleading.

    I hate the fact streams are included in the charts and it’s been on a downward spiral since they announced it. How can you have a band like say, Blossoms who have had two No 1 albums, but their highest placing on the singles chart is 77. This is not right and including of streams in the charts is solely to blame. It’s allowing people who refuse to pay for music to dictate what is in the charts. Again, this isn’t correct and needs to be addressed.

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  • Blondini
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    Wednesday Top 40 Update
    Source: Music Week
    Missing Data: unknown

    Singles

    1 Adele - Easy On Me (62,940)
    2 Adele - Oh My God (33,880) *
    3 Ed Sheeran - Shivers (32,174)
    4 Adele - I Drink Wine (30,941) *
    5 Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits (26,548)

    6-10
    8 D-Block Europe feat. Central Cee - Overseas (18,606) *

    11-20
    13 Acraze feat. Cherish - Do It To It
    14 Ewan McVicar - Tell Me Something Good
    16 Coldplay & BTS - My Universe
    18 Niall Horan & Anne-Marie - Everywhere *
    20 Gayle - ABCDEFU

    21-30
    22 Dermot Kennedy - Better Days
    23 D-Block Europe - No Competition
    24 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You ^
    26 Wham! - Last Christmas

    31-40
    31 Justin Bieber - Ghost
    35 D-Block Europe - Funny Bunny Nails *

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Albums

    1 Adele - 30 (218,960) * [151,367 physical, 39,184 download, 28,409 streaming]
    2 Oasis - Knebworth 1996 (live) (24,273) *
    3 Ed Sheeran - = (23,238)
    4 ABBA - Voyage (21,872)
    5 Robert Plant & Alison Krauss - Raise The Roof (19,974) *

    6-10
    6 Elbow - Flying Dream 1 *
    7 D-Block Europe - Home Alone 2 (10,428) *
    8 James Blunt - The Stars Beneath My Feet (2004-2021) *
    9 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - The Legendary 1979 No Nukes Concerts *

    11-20
    12 Andre Rieu & His Johann Strauss Orchestra - Happy Together *
    16 The Darkness - Motorheart *
    17 The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Motown withThe Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (A Symphony Of Soul) *
    18 Michael Bublé - Christmas ^
    19 Sting - The Bridge *

    21-30
    21 Adele - 21
    28 Adele - 19
    30 Twenty One Pilots - Scaled and Icy ^

    31-40
    34 U2 - Achtung Baby ^
    37 Harry Styles - Fine Line
    39 Oasis - Time Flies... 1994-2009 ^
    40 Tom Grennan - Evering Road ^

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  • Blondini
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    The UK chart doesn't actually use TEA and SEA like the US. The chart rules don't even use those terms.
    https://www.officialcharts.com/media...s-jan-2020.pdf
    They use the term "streaming album DUS". Which is the same as SEA (i think?)

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