On the 01 Sep 84 chart, I'm thinking that #50 and #51 should have been swapped round...? Or am I missing something? (probably the latter)
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Originally posted by UnfazedPenguin View PostOn the 01 Sep 84 chart, I'm thinking that #50 and #51 should have been swapped round...? Or am I missing something? (probably the latter)http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
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Originally posted by UnfazedPenguin View PostOn the 01 Sep 84 chart, I'm thinking that #50 and #51 should have been swapped round...? Or am I missing something? (probably the latter)
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I've just checked the charts that kobyhadrian sent me and they are the same as posted here. Yes, the tie break should be the record with the greatest % increase in sales should be placed the highest with the result that a new entry should always be placed above a record climbing the chart.
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Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
Yes, you'd have thought newcomer would trump climber. Did Gallup also have some stores to verify the results like BMRB did in the day? Possibly this suggested that the climber was outselling the new entry (probably by only a small amount otherwise they'd have investigated further) hence why the climber was listed at 50 and the new entry at 51 on the same panel sales??
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Interesting. I wonder whether the process of aggregating the raw sales data into the weekly report(s) was completely automatic, or whether the report was (partially) manually typed up. If that was the case, that could explain the odd incident like this.
It should be fairly easy to check if you have all the chart data in excel; just sort a chart first by panel sales, then by increase (where known), then by chart position as stated, and see if anything else ends up in a different order.
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Originally posted by UnfazedPenguin View PostInteresting. I wonder whether the process of aggregating the raw sales data into the weekly report(s) was completely automatic, or whether the report was (partially) manually typed up. If that was the case, that could explain the odd incident like this.
It should be fairly easy to check if you have all the chart data in excel; just sort a chart first by panel sales, then by increase (where known), then by chart position as stated, and see if anything else ends up in a different order.
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The very few copies of the reports (4) I have from early 1983 show *** in place of percentage increase/decrease for new entries unless the record had been out for a while and was selling the previous week. For the case here I suspect that is not the case!http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
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Originally posted by Robbie View PostGallup checked the new entries, climbers etc with an additional 50 stores which they would use to check the top end of the chart, climbers and new entries. However if a record was performing much better in a chart panel shop than in the check panel then Gallup would, unless there were reasons not to do so (in store promotions, for example) deem that the record had failed the security check and would usually either reduce its panel sales to average it to the check panel, ignore some sales if they were concentrated to a particular area or shop, or exclude the record altogether. After the security checks had completed, the panel sales figures would then be subject to the usual chart rules on tiebreaking.
So as far as we know the check panel was only used to confirm the veracity of the panel sales?
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Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post
If the check panel showed for example, one additional sale to the climber compared with the new entry, would that have triggered an investigation or would they have just used that to rank the climber above the new entry? While it doesn't sound like it is an official rule, it could theoretically be a way to split ties - though I guess if they had used it to do so, then we'd be much more likely to see similar examples.
So as far as we know the check panel was only used to confirm the veracity of the panel sales?
Reading between the lines, the differences between the chart panel sales and the check panel data would have to be noticeably different. One sale difference isn't likely to lead to any action by Gallup. Plus once all checks had been made, the resulting panel sales figures should then be subject to whatever tiebreak mechansism was in place. It would be done automatically by the computer.
In 1984 Music Week published two articles on how the chart system worked, including how the check system operated. The two issues are available to download from worldradiohistory.com
29 September 1984: Charts: the inside story (pages 22 and 23) https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mus...1984-09-29.pdf
6 October 1984: Charts: the inside story (Part 2 - checking each record) (pages 44 and 45 of the PDF) https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mus...1984-10-06.pdf
The check panel was bigger than I thought. In the second article its size is given as 400 shops, of which a third were used each week. It had been 50 when Gallup first began to compile the charts in January 1983.
I've extracted the articles from both Music Week issues and have combined them into one PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i91rf61lnc...Story.pdf?dl=0
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I am wondering if it is an error in that specific chart - or a chart rule we don't know. All data below relates to the period Jan 1983-Nov 1984 (including charts not yet posted - but I will not spoil future charts)
With a few exceptions, such as below (8 Sep 1984)
new entries always come before climbers when sales are tied. Past Sep 1983, tied sales do not occur in the Top 20 - indeed only a four week run (27 Aug-24 Sep 1983) feature tied sales in the Top 20.NE 141 26 Warp 9 Master Of The Mix NE 141 26 Chelsea F.C. Championship Squad Back On The Ball RE 143 26 Candido Jingo RE 144 26 Cruella De Ville Hong Kong Swing NE 145 26 Chuck Brown & The Soul Searchers We Need Some Money (Bout Money) 167 146 26 Michael Jackson Thriller 122 *** 26 Lydia Murdock Love On The Line
Ties occur in the Top 40 (21-40) much more frequently with the New entry always above the other records - 4 cases where the order is NE and then climber, 3 where it is NEW and then faller, which you would expect the NEW to be above the fall.
In all cases - except this one - when a tie occurs in the Top 50 the NEW is placed above the climber.
Getting to the lower end of the chart it changes, as in the sales figures below 100 you get tiny variations anyway and in those cases the fact that the record is new to the 200 may not mean it is new to Gallup (i.e. was present last week) and thus percentage increase can be calculated.
Hope all this helps!
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15 September 1984
Twk Lwk Wks Title Artist Sales 1 1 4 I Just Called To Say I Love You Stevie Wonder 12590 2 2 7 Careless Whisper George Michael 5759 3 6 4 Ghostbusters Ray Parker Jr. 3719 4 3 17 Agadoo Black Lace 3349 5 4 6 Like To Get To Know You Well Howard Jones 2832 6 5 6 Passengers (Re-Mix) Elton John 2683 7 7 6 Dr. Beat Miami Sound Machine 2603 8 NE 1 Pride (In The Name Of Love) U2 2548 9 11 7 Big In Japan Alphaville 2150 10 8 11 Self Control Laura Branigan 1985 11 12 3 Master And Servant Depeche Mode 1836 12 9 4 I'll Fly For You Spandau Ballet 1826 13 15 3 Madam Butterfly (Un Bel Di Vedremo) Malcolm McLaren 1812 14 32 2 Lost In Music Sister Sledge 1612 15 21 4 Talking In Your Sleep Bucks Fizz 1278 16 10 8 Whatever I Do (Wherever I Go) Hazell Dean 1006 17 13 14 Two Tribes Frankie Goes To Hollywood 929 18 14 5 Mother's Talk Tears For Fears 912 19 26 3 Hot Water Level 42 897 20 18 45 White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) Grandmaster & Melle Mel 874 21 17 3 William, It Was Really Nothing The Smiths 869 22 16 11 Stuck On You Trevor Walters 768 23 NE 1 A Letter To You Shakin' Stevens 753 24 28 3 Sunset Now Heaven 17 695 25 20 8 Some Guys Have All The Luck Rod Stewart 693 26 38 2 Torture Jacksons 658 27 19 14 What's Love Got To Do With It Tina Turner 646 28 37 6 Tour De France (Remix) Kraftwerk 612 29 22 45 Relax Frankie Goes To Hollywood 611 30 29 6 I Need You Pointer Sisters 538 31 27 6 Are You Ready (Vocal) Break Machine 528 32 24 12 When Doves Cry Prince 527 33 48 2 Tesla Girls O.M.D. 506 34 39 3 All I Need Is Everything / Jump Aztec Camera 424 35 23 20 On The Wings Of Love Jeffrey Osborne 404 36 31 10 The More You Live, The More You Love A Flock Of Seagulls 396 37 33 6 Girl You're So Together Michael Jackson 377 38 NE 1 Human Racing Nik Kershaw 364 39 25 5 2 Minutes To Midnight Iron Maiden 350 40 41 6 Mr. Solitaire (Panther Remix) Animal Nightlife 341 41 46 4 Forest Fire Lloyd Cole And The Commotions 339 42 30 8 Sunglasses Tracey Ullman 336 43 47 3 Magic Touch Rose Royce 328 44 34 8 It's A Hard Life Queen 321 45 NE 1 Smooth Operator Sade 320 46 56 4 She Bop Cyndi Lauper 318 47 43 2 Heaven's On Fire Kiss 316 48 51 3 Cath / Will She Always Be Waiting The Bluebells 302 49 53 3 Unity (Part 1 - The Third Coming) Afrika Bambaataa And The Godfather Of Soul James Brown 295 50 35 10 Love Songs Are Back Again Band Of Gold 278 51 72 3 What I Like Most About You Is Your Girlfriend The Special AKA 257 52 36 11 Closest Thing To Heaven The Kane Gang 251 53 62 4 Waiting For The Love Boat The Associates 232 54 40 10 Everybody's Laughing Phil Fearon & Galaxy 224 55 63 5 The Girl From Ipanema Astrud Gilberto 222 56 NE 1 Better Be Good To Me Tina Turner 218 57 44 14 Tossing And Turning Windjammer 198 58 61 5 You Get The Best From Me (Say, Say, Say) Alicia Myers 193 59 NE 1 The Medicine Song Stephanie Mills 190 60 89 2 Rikki Don't Lose That Number Tom Robinson 187 61 79 2 Don't Blame It On Love Shakatak 187 62 75 7 What Is Life? Black Uhuru 184 63 42 5 You're Never Too Young The Cool Notes 180 64 73 5 Somebody Junior 177 65 45 11 Down On The Street Shakatak 170 66 49 10 Hole In My Shoe neil 160 67 50 10 You Think You're A Man Divine 159 68 54 3 Love Glove Visage 158 69 57 3 You Have Marc Almond 157 70 93 2 Lap Of Luxury Jethro Tull 156 71 83 5 Another Silent Day The Adventures 152 72 NE 1 Touch By Touch Diana Ross 149 73 68 3 Encore Cheryl Lynn 144 74 55 7 Just The Way You Like It The S.O.S. Band 143 75 80 9 Cccan't You See… Vicious Pink 141 *** 60 13 Stuck On You Lionel Richie 131 *** 59 26 Time After Time Cyndi Lauper 129 *** 58 3 Killed By Death Motörhead 128 76 84 2 Unexpected Song Sarah Brightman 120 *** 67 15 Eyes Without A Face Billy Idol 120 *** 69 17 Wake Me Up Before You Go Go Wham! 111 77 *** 13 Love Resurrection Alison Moyet 107 78 66 11 Sister Of Mercy Thompson Twins 103 *** 78 5 I Can Dream About You (Edited Version) Dan Hartman 100 *** 52 14 I Won't Let The Sun Go Down On Me Nik Kershaw 100 79 NE 1 Rain Forest Paul Hardcastle 99 *** 71 6 Empty Rooms Gary Moore 98 *** *** 8 In The Country The Farmer's Boys 95 80 NE 1 When The Wild Calls Swans Way 94 81 98 2 On The Wings Of A Nightingale The Everly Brothers 93 *** *** 7 Nervous Shakedown AC/DC 91 *** *** 13 Breakin'... There's No Stopping Us Ollie & Jerry 90 *** 74 9 The Day Before You Came Blancmange 89 82 NE 1 Acceleration Bill Nelson 85 83 102 4 Burning Bush (Testify) Savage Progress 84 *** 64 8 Summer Holiday Kevin The Gerbil 80 84 91 4 Original Sin The Senate 79 *** *** 16 Smalltown Boy Bronski Beat 79 *** 82 4 You Keep Me Coming Back (Edited Version) The Brothers Johnson 79 85 94 79 Blue Monday New Order 78 86 90 11 Guardian Angel Nino De Angelo 78 *** *** 6 You Are My Melody (Edit.) Change 76 87 76 11 State Of Shock Jacksons with lead vocals by Michael Jackson & Mick Jagger 76 *** *** 13 Jump (For My Love) Pointer Sisters 74 *** 77 5 Castles In Spain The Armoury Show 74 *** *** 5 The Ink In The Well David Sylvian 74 88 86 8 Eternally Grateful Janet Kay 72 *** *** 10 Seven Seas Echo And The Bunnymen 71 *** 87 8 Tinseltown In The Rain The Blue Nile 70 *** *** 5 17 (Vocal) Rick James 70 *** *** 14 Hot Hot Hot (Hotter Mix '84) Arrow 70 89 97 3 Re-Ron Gil Scott-Heron 69 *** 85 5 The Only Flame In Town Elvis Costello & The Attractions 67 90 99 6 Breakout Kelly 65 *** *** 5 Lady Shine (Shine On) T. H. S. - The Horne Section 65 *** 70 5 Masquerade (Vocal) Evelyn Thomas 65 *** 65 13 Young At Heart The Bluebells 65 91 105 3 Creep The Fall 64 *** *** 11 Lament Ultravox 64 *** *** 12 Hand On My Heart Shriekback 64 92 118 2 Kangaroo This Mortal Coil 63 93 121 3 Girl From Baiaha (Toda Menina Baiaha) Gilberto Gil 61 *** 81 4 Big City Nights The Scorpions 60 94 96 17 Dancing In The Dark Bruce Springsteen 59 *** *** 13 Come Back The Mighty Wah! 59 *** *** 7 99½ Carol Lynn Townes 58 *** 88 3 Don't Stop Runnin' Y & T 56 *** *** 7 Banana Banana King Kurt 55 *** 92 15 Only When You Leave Spandau Ballet 54 *** *** 8 There Are More Snakes Than Ladders Captain Sensible 54 95 100 3 Sucker For Love (I'm A Sucker For Your Love) US Mix B-Biz-R 53 *** *** 18 Thinking Of You Sister Sledge 53 96 117 6 International Thomas Leer 52 97 *** 7 The Ecstacy Of Flight (I Love The Night) Chris de Burgh 51 98 107 3 Walking On A Highwire Marseille 51 99 103 3 Universal Rhythm Ralph MacDonald 51 *** *** 6 Don't Take My Coconuts Kid Creole & The Coconuts 51 100 *** 4 Dead And Buried Alien Sex Fiend 50 101 NE 1 I Can't Let You Go Haywoode 49 102 101 2 Weekends (How Come We Always End Up Here?) The Mighty Wah! 49 *** *** 5 There Goes My Baby Donna Summer 49 103 *** 18 Perfect Skin Lloyd Cole And The Commotions 46 104 *** 9 Whose Side Are You On? Matt Bianco 46 *** *** 16 Farewell My Summer Love Michael Jackson 46 *** *** 7 Hardrock Herbie Hancock 46 *** *** 8 Black Stations/White Stations M + M 46 105 141 2 Back On The Ball Chelsea F.C. Championship Squad 45 106 126 3 Five Live (EP) The Truth 45 *** *** 23 High Energy (Vocal) Evelyn Thomas 44 107 111 2 Restless Flesh For Lulu 43 108 104 4 Crazee-Ee-Pee (Single 12 Inch) Mama's Boys 43 *** *** 13 All Of You Julio Iglesias And Diana Ross 43 109 NE 1 Shine, Shine Barry Gibb 42 *** *** 6 We Rock Dio 42 110 95 17 Pearl In The Shell Howard Jones 41 *** *** 8 Dum Dum Girl Talk Talk 40 111 NE 1 I Get Romantic Booker Newberry III 39 112 RE 5 If Ever You're In My Arms Again Peabo Bryson 39 113 NE 1 Last Plane (One Way Ticket) Clint Eastwood & General Saint 37 113 NE 1 Tenderness General Public 37 115 108 3 Club Underworld Cerrone 37 *** *** 5 I Wanna Be Somebody W.A.S.P. 37 116 RE 2 Simple Johnny Mathis 36 117 150 23 I Want To Break Free Queen 36 *** *** 16 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now The Smiths 36 *** *** 5 Taxman Rockwell 36 118 110 41 Ain't Nobody Rufus And Chaka Khan 35 *** *** 5 Go West (Crazy Spinning Circle) The Cult 35 *** *** 12 To France Mike Oldfield, Vocals: Maggie Reilly 34 119 122 45 This Charming Man The Smiths 33 *** *** 16 Change Of Heart (Edit.) Change 33 120 116 5 Intimate Connection Kleeer 33 *** *** 4 Menergy Sylvester 33 121 NE 1 The A Team Mike Post 32 122 164 28 Hello Lionel Richie 32 123 145 2 We Need Some Money (Bout Money) Chuck Brown & The Soul Searchers 32 *** *** 4 Mama Weer All Crazee Now Quiet Riot 32 *** *** 15 Absolute Scritti Politti 31 124 114 3 Slip Away (Vocal) Skool Boyz 31 *** *** 12 Sweet Somebody Shannon 31 *** *** 8 State Of Independence (Edited Version) Jon & Vangelis 31 125 NE 1 All Men Play On 10 Manowar 30 126 153 62 (Sexual) Healing Marvin Gaye 30 127 144 4 Hong Kong Swing Cruella De Ville 30 *** *** 13 Beat Street Breakdown - Part I Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious Five 30 128 151 16 Red Guitar David Sylvian 29 *** *** 13 Waiting In Vain Bob Marley & The Wailers 29 *** *** 7 Pale Blue Eyes (Edited Version) Paul Quinn And Edwyn Collins 29 129 RE 20 Love Wars (edit.) Womack & Womack 28 130 NE 1 Do What You Do Charged G.B.H. 28 131 149 16 Thieves Like Us New Order 27 132 146 44 Thriller Michael Jackson 27 *** *** 8 Guilty Paul Hardcastle, Vocal by Kevin Henry 27 *** *** 8 Ain't No Sunshine (Peedar Edit) Sivuca 27 133 129 4 She's Fresh (Remix Version) Rock Steady Crew 27 134 127 3 Fire Me Up Roman Holliday 27 *** *** 7 Storm Of Light Working Week 27 *** *** 21 The Reflex Duran Duran 27 135 136 8 Self Control (Part 1) R.A.F 26 136 NE 1 Come And Get My Lovin' Barbara Fowler 25 137 *** 9 Take The Colourfield 25 138 *** 13 Leave A Tender Moment Alone / Goodnight Saigon Billy Joel 25 139 171 3 I Didn't Mean To Turn You On Cherrelle 25 *** *** 12 Life On Your Own Human League 25 140 NE 1 Escape (I Need A Break) Whodini 24 141 RE 18 Each And Every One Everything But The Girl 24 142 185 75 Eye Of The Tiger Survivor 24 143 *** 10 Don't Go Lose It Baby Hugh Masekela 24 144 169 14 Just For Old Time's Sake Foster And Allen 24 145 143 34 Jingo Candido 24 *** 125 3 This Boy Loves The Sun David Austin 24 146 106 31 Kiss Me (U.S. Remix) Tin Tin 24 *** *** 6 I'll Wait (Edit.) Van Halen 24 147 NE 1 With All My Love Barbara Roy 23 148 RE 44 New Song Howard Jones 23 149 *** 5 Work In Progress (EP) Robert Wyatt 23 150 182 24 People Are People Depeche Mode 23 151 170 17 TV Dinners (edit.) ZZ Top 23 152 *** 6 A Doll That's Made In Japan Steve Hackett 23 *** *** 5 Footsteps At My Door Helen And The Horns 23 153 RE 4 Looks That Kill Mötley Crüe 22 *** *** 8 Cockney Translation Smiley Culture 22 *** *** 7 Today's Your Lucky Day (Peedar Edit) Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes featuring Nikko 22 154 133 2 Where Does That Boy Hang Out David Lasley 22 *** 132 6 L.A. Is My Lady Frank Sinatra with Quincy Jones and Orchestra 22 *** *** 5 Shining Star Precinct 22 *** *** 14 Talking Loud And Clear Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark 22 *** *** 6 Reggae Movement Jimmy Cliff 22 *** 115 6 With You Ingram 22 155 112 43 Searchin' Hazell Dean 22 156 NE 1 Theme From The A-Team Orchestra Conducted By Daniel Kane 21 157 *** 5 Good Day The Kinks 21 *** *** 5 On A Night Like This The Shadows 21 *** *** 6 Sing And Shout Second Image 21 158 109 9 Mine Everything But The Girl 21 159 NE 1 Garden Of The Arcane Delights (EP) Dead Can Dance 20 160 RE 32 Fields Of Fire (400 Miles) Big Country 20 161 168 39 Superman (Gioca Jouer) Black Lace 20 *** *** 5 Him Simone [Kelsall] 20 *** *** 9 SOS My Imagination Bruce Foxton 20 162 130 3 25 Years The Catch 20 *** 119 28 Hide And Seek Howard Jones 20 *** 123 3 No Favors Temper 20 163 NE 1 Passion Fruit The Shillelagh Sisters 19 164 RE 41 True Spandau Ballet 19 165 *** 10 Brown Sugar The Rolling Stones 19 166 *** 14 Those First Impressions Associates 19 167 *** 14 I Found Lovin' (L.P. Version) The Fatback Band 19 168 156 2 This Time Baby Jackie Moore 19 *** 155 22 Somebody Else's Guy Jocelyn Brown 19 *** *** 5 Dynamite Jermaine Jackson 19 169 139 56 Love Will Tear Us Apart Joy Division 19 170 138 2 Midnight Lover Margie Joseph 19 171 134 2 Holiday Chiefs Of Relief 19 172 124 17 You're The Best Thing / The Big Boss Groove The Style Council 19 173 NE 1 Easy Love Vikki Benson 18 174 RE 9 The Heart Of Rock + Roll Huey Lewis And The News 18 175 RE 15 So Tired Ozzy Osbourne 18 176 RE 5 Sex Machine The Flying Lizards 18 177 RE 24 Girls Just Want To Have Fun Cyndi Lauper 18 178 198 14 (The Best Part Of) Breakin' Up (Special Remix) Roni Griffith 18 179 196 31 What Difference Does It Make? The Smiths 18 *** *** 46 Hip Hop, Be Bop (Don't Stop) (Edited Version) Man Parrish 18 180 166 7 Caught In The Act (Vocal) Earlene Bentley 18 181 147 22 One Love / People Get Ready Bob Marley & The Wailers 18 *** 135 24 Automatic Pointer Sisters 18 *** 128 11 I Love Men Eartha Kitt 18 182 RE 14 Borderline (Edit.) Madonna 17 183 RE 12 The Whodini Electro E.P. (EP) Whodini 17 184 NE 1 You Are The One Alec Khaoli 17 185 RE 14 Thin Line Between Love And Hate Pretenders 17 186 189 3 Ge Me More Chevi 17 *** *** 15 Get Your Feet Out Of My Shoes The Boothill Foot-Tappers 17 *** *** 22 Jam On It Newcleus 17 187 141 2 Master Of The Mix Warp 9 17 *** *** 6 Abele Dance Manu Dibango 17 *** 137 14 Thanks For The Night The Damned 17 *** *** 17 Sad Songs (Say So Much) Elton John 17 *** 113 19 Break Dance Party Break Machine 17 188 NE 1 It Hurts One The Juggler 16 188 NE 1 Black Butterfly Deniece Williams 16 190 RE 41 Rockit Herbie Hancock 16 191 RE 7 Wait Wang Chung 16 192 RE 13 Reggae Night Jimmy Cliff 16 193 RE 13 When Am I Going To Make A Living Sade 16 194 184 63 Postman Pat Ken Barrie 16 195 174 22 Let's Hear It For The Boy Deniece Williams 16 196 173 13 Dance Me Up Gary Glitter 16 *** 159 4 Invitation Life Force 16 *** *** 18 Susanna The Art Company 16 197 NE 1 Close To Me Bobby King featuring Alfie Silas 15 198 RE 8 Couldn't Stand A Day Re-Flex 15 199 RE 16 I Scare Myself Thomas Dolby 15 200 RE 13 Hand In Glove Sandie Shaw 15
chart listing courtesy of kobyhadrian
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Vikki Benson @ 173 with Easy Love a cover of the Bucks Fizz album track from Are You Ready 1982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeeSKaJQmGE
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It comes as a revelation to me just how far ahead number one sales can be over the closest competition at times. Stevie Wonder has a massive sales figure which is double that of number two and over three times as many as number threeThe Ultimate Averaged Chart. The Definitive Chart Reflecting The Fifties and Sixties.
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Originally posted by MrTibbs View PostIt comes as a revelation to me just how far ahead number one sales can be over the closest competition at times. Stevie Wonder has a massive sales figure which is double that of number two and over three times as many as number three
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And such a terrible, corny song, hardly representative of the sophisticated musical oeuvre and massive influential impact Stevie Wonder had and still seems to have on artists today! I guess the grannies were out in their droves buying it, or possibly the kiddies, but I never remember anyone saying they liked it (at least not admitting to it if they did!).
Speaking of the kids, it's delightfully nostalgic to find Mike Post's 'The A-Team' finally get its first chart appearance, at No 121, although I've hitherto been unaware of a rival orchestral version of the theme conducted by one Daniel Kane appearing 35 compressed positions beneath it. You can't beat the original as far as I'm concerned. Its enduring and continued usage as a soundbed for adverts etc must've made Post a millionaire by now just on that track alone.
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Originally posted by Gambo View PostAnd such a terrible, corny song, hardly representative of the sophisticated musical oeuvre and massive influential impact Stevie Wonder had and still seems to have on artists today! I guess the grannies were out in their droves buying it, or possibly the kiddies, but I never remember anyone saying they liked it (at least not admitting to it if they did!).
Speaking of the kids, it's delightfully nostalgic to find Mike Post's 'The A-Team' finally get its first chart appearance, at No 121, although I've hitherto been unaware of a rival orchestral version of the theme conducted by one Daniel Kane appearing 35 compressed positions beneath it. You can't beat the original as far as I'm concerned. Its enduring and continued usage as a soundbed for adverts etc must've made Post a millionaire by now just on that track alone.
Here's the Post single https://www.discogs.com/release/2397...ost-The-A-Team
Here's a video for it that i've never seen before! This version has a band feel to it.
Here's the one that is credited to Daniel Caine (not Kane) but credits both Mike Post and Pete Carpenter on the sleeve as composers. https://www.discogs.com/release/6615...rom-the-A-Team
It's a bit confusing. Why on earth would they release 2 different singles when they could put both versions on the same single?
As you can see - both releases are filed under Mike Post on Discogs. https://www.discogs.com/artist/255674-Mike-Post
So they could have had a bigger hit with this if they'd put both versions together! The orchestral one is on a UK label Indiana Records, the band version is on RCA. The score soundtrack is on Indiana.
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On further inspection, it seems that score album does not contain the RCA version of the theme. On Spotify, it has a short and a long version of the orchestral version bookending the album (a 1999 release). https://open.spotify.com/album/7fEr0hk3Z5rO5bQ752FAhB
The band version must have been a promotional tool for the series. It is on Spotify here: https://open.spotify.com/album/0piS1MJ1406FkEu6mgGxI9
Was it ever actually in the show??
Here's a clip of the opening and closing credits and it's not there:
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I've been musing for a while now on the obvious comparison between these Gallup compressed Top 200 full chart reports and the uncompressed Top 200s published in 'Hit Music' in the early Millward Brown era (kindly being posted by ChartMark over on his thread). I often wondered what the 'actual' Top 200 chart would look like if positions were attributed to all the starred-out singles, and it's notable how many more we songs get to see charting in these reports than we do with HM issues, as the real extent of the Gallup report rankings are nearer a Top 300, sometimes longer, but HM was always pegged to the first 200. One of the overarching revelations made apparent thanks to those kindly posting these reports is the number of excluded records each week; it's way more than I'd envisaged would be likely for this period of singles history. So the chart would look considerably different had no exclusion rules based on sales declines been in place. There definitely would be a glut of older singles hanging around longer and pushing down up-and-coming new ones - very much the argument in use again today with regards to the compression of the current weekly charts.
Clearly it would take ages to do this manually for every chart so-far posted from Jan '83 to Sep '84 (I don't have any wizzy database to automate it for me), so I won't be attempting to transpose all these charts into a 'HM' format. However, oddly enough a chum happened to ask me a few days ago "what was in the charts this week in 1984?" Of course once upon a time I'd only have had the Top 75 to offer him from my own records, or possibly the Top 100 with the (bottom quartile affected by the exclusion rule) from the OCC's archive. But now I was able to provide a full Top 200 courtesy of this thread! I decided though that I'd only present the 'true' 200 rather than the expanded listing from the whole report, partly because the enquirer isn't au fait with stuff like exclusion rules and it is just more meaningful to them if I provide a straightforward ranking of the actual best-selling singles that week, as they'd automatically expect a true rather than manipulated set of positions. It was an opportunity to add in 'missing' positions for starred-out songs and end up with an example HM-style chart.
I have posted the result below - with apologies to Robbie for interrupting his flow of posting new charts each day. I had to do the exercise twice, in order to ensure the previous week's positions were 'real' too and not compressed, although the weeks on chart count is of course for all weeks spent in the expanded full report and so stretch well-beyond the real 200th biggest seller threshold. I don't know how representative this particular week is, but broadly, it showed that with every ten or so rungs down the chart below No 75, roughly around ten 'real' positions were being lost, so that what was really the 90th bestseller was officially around 80th in compressed terms, and so on down to the point where the compressed No 200 equated to around the real 300 - indicating around 100 records being excluded below 75.
Uncompressed Top 200 Singles for Week ending Saturday 23 June 1984 (sales period Monday 11 to Saturday 16 June 1984)
I suppose if anything this exercise demonstrated that while instinctively I'll never feel comfortable with any deliberate distortion of chart rankings due to arbitrarily-imposed restrictions and rules, often their purpose is all-too-evident and if one wants a more dynamic chart giving profile to newer tracks and move emphasis away from older 'has-beens', then they are reasonably effective at moving things upward. If one can tolerate the artifice, it makes for a more engaging ranking.TW LW WOC Title Artist Panel Sales (x17) 1 1 2 Two Tribes Frankie Goes To Hollywood 11756 2 2 5 Wake Me Up Before You Go Go Wham! 3466 3 4 4 Smalltown Boy Bronski Beat 2948 4 18 2 I Won't Let The Sun Go Down On Me Nik Kershaw 2258 5 11 33 Relax Frankie Goes To Hollywood 2046 6 3 3 Only When You Leave Spandau Ballet 2011 7 8 5 Sad Songs (Say So Much) Elton John 1959 8 15 4 Farewell My Summer Love Michael Jackson 1796 9 5 11 High Energy (Vocal) Evelyn Thomas 1783 10 7 5 Pearl In The Shell Howard Jones 1423 11 14 6 Thinking Of You Sister Sledge 1392 12 20 6 Susanna The Art Company 1279 13 10 4 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now The Smiths 1256 14 6 6 Dancing With Tears In My Eyes Ultravox 1179 15 12 31 Searchin' Hazell Dean 1092 16 9 10 Let's Hear It For The Boy Deniece Williams 1026 17 13 5 You're The Best Thing / The Big Boss Groove The Style Council 1003 18 16 10 I Feel Like Buddy Holly Alvin Stardust 996 19 26 4 Change Of Heart (Edit.) Change 893 20 21 4 So Tired Ozzy Osbourne 883 21 36 33 White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) Grandmaster & Melle Mel 795 22 33 3 Absolute Scritti Politti 726 23 39 2 Talking Loud And Clear Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark 705 24 NE 1 Jump (For My Love) Pointer Sisters 700 25 17 4 One Better Day Madness 694 26 23 5 Rough Justice Bananarama 655 27 19 9 The Reflex Duran Duran 648 28 22 11 I Want To Break Free Queen 640 29 40 2 I Wanna Be Loved / Turning The Town Red Elvis Costello And The Attractions 609 30 27 5 Infatuation (edit.) Rod Stewart 602 31 31 4 Love All Day Nick Heyward 594 32 24 12 Automatic Pointer Sisters 485 33 25 4 Red Guitar David Sylvian 475 34 NE 1 Stuck On You Lionel Richie 465 35 NE 1 Breakin'... There's No Stopping Us Ollie & Jerry 453 36 62 14 Time After Time Cyndi Lauper 441 37 30 7 Break Dance Party Break Machine 409 38 37 5 Dancing In The Dark Bruce Springsteen 383 39 28 12 Against All Odds (Take A Look At Me Now) Phil Collins 380 40 45 6 Perfect Skin Lloyd Cole And The Commotions 378 41 NE 1 Waiting In Vain Bob Marley & The Wailers 346 42 29 10 Love Wars (edit.) Womack & Womack 341 43 32 14 Footloose Kenny Loggins 317 44 52 2 Those First Impressions Associates 304 45 70 2 Doin' It In A Haunted House Yvonne Gage 300 46 43 3 Thanks For The Night The Damned 283 47 34 10 One Love / People Get Ready Bob Marley & The Wailers 268 48 82 3 Dance Me Up Gary Glitter 262 49 NE 1 Leave A Tender Moment Alone / Goodnight Saigon Billy Joel 255 50 66 2 What's Love Got To Do With It Tina Turner 249 51 35 6 Going Down Town Tonight Status Quo 236 52 54 4 The Boy Who Came Back Marc Almond 233 53 46 2 Body And Soul / Train The Sisters Of Mercy 233 54 NE 1 Young At Heart The Bluebells 228 55 NE 1 Love Resurrection Alison Moyet 227 56 51 3 Feels So Real (Won't Let Go) (Edit.) Patrice Rushen 219 57 38 5 When Am I Going To Make A Living Sade 216 58 56 4 Borderline (Edit.) Madonna 206 59 58 4 We're Not Gonna Take It Twisted Sister 205 60 143 2 I Found Lovin' (L.P. Version) The Fatback Band 195 61 57 5 Illuminations Swans Way 194 62 44 8 Each And Every One Everything But The Girl 193 63 41 11 Locomotion Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark 188 64 49 4 Thin Line Between Love And Hate Pretenders 185 65 NE 1 When Your 'Ex' Wants You Back Surface 166 66 71 2 Man On Fire Roger Taylor 163 67 68 3 Tell Me Why Bobby Womack 162 68 75 4 The Ghost In You The Psychedelic Furs 160 69 RE 8 On The Wings Of Love Jeffrey Osborne 157 70 63 10 The Wind Beneath My Wings Lee Greenwood 154 71 59 4 (I Love You) When You Sleep Tracie 150 72 47 17 Stay With Me Tonight Jeffrey Osborne 149 73 76 2 Jammin' In America The Gap Band 135 74 81 3 Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young Jim Steinman & Fire Inc 134 75 80 8 The Lebanon Human League 134 76 50 10 Somebody Else's Guy Jocelyn Brown 134 77 60 16 Hello Lionel Richie 129 78 64 4 Venceremos - We Will Win (7'' Bossa Version) Working Week 129 79 55 24 Just Be Good To Me The S.O.S. Band 127 80 108 3 Eyes Without A Face Billy Idol 126 81 NE 1 Come Back The Mighty Wah! 123 82 NE 1 Don't Let Nobody Hold You Down L. J. Reynolds 123 83 42 4 Dazzle Siouxsie And The Banshees 122 84 NE 1 Beat Street Breakdown - Part I Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious Five 121 85 69 4 Walk Through The Fire Peter Gabriel 121 86 61 29 Ain't Nobody Rufus And Chaka Khan 121 87 107 2 Tossing And Turning Windjammer 120 88 85 3 In The River I Level 118 89 102 2 (The Best Part Of) Breakin' Up (Special Remix) Roni Griffith 117 90 87 11 Dancing Girls (Remixed Version) Nik Kershaw 114 91 67 10 The Longest Time Billy Joel 113 92 99 2 Rat Race Hi Tension 111 93 92 2 Mr Groove / Lady You Are (Edited Version) One Way 110 94 73 10 Major Tom (Coming Home) (Edit.) Peter Schilling 109 95 48 8 I'll Be Around (Pedro Edit) Terri Wells 108 96 NE 1 Loves Crashing Waves Difford & Tilbrook 107 97 65 11 Don't Tell Me Blancmange 105 98 72 4 Too Much Trouble Limahl 105 99 79 5 Agadoo Black Lace 103 100 90 10 (When You're) Young And In Love The Flying Pickets 101 101 74 5 I Wanna Make You Feel Good The System 101 102 NE 1 Up Around The Bend Hanoi Rocks 99 103 101 4 Animal (F..k Like A Beast) W.A.S.P. 98 104 53 7 Love Lies Lost Helen Terry 98 105 NE 1 Dissidents Thomas Dolby 95 106 78 9 Robin (The Hooded Man) Clannad 95 107 84 7 Tell Me If You Still Care The S.O.S. Band 94 108 132 2 Back In The Old Country Tom Robinson 91 109 NE 1 Oh! Brother The Fall 90 110 96 3 What I Want Dead Or Alive 89 111 91 7 Assassing (Edited Version) Marillion 88 112 83 14 To All The Girls I've Loved Before Julio Iglesias & Willie Nelson 87 113 122 16 I'm Falling The Bluebells 86 114 161 2 Just For Old Time's Sake Foster And Allen 84 115 97 17 Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin) Scritti Politti 84 116 NE 1 One Million Kisses Rufus & Chaka Khan 81 117 88 5 Latin Electrica Latin Electrica 81 118 100 7 High On Emotion Chris de Burgh 80 119 134 2 Be My Number Two Joe Jackson 77 120 114 4 No Time To Stop Believing In Love Daisy Chain 74 121 98 4 Oh Sherrie Steve Perry 71 122 89 5 European Queen (No More Love On The Run) Billy Ocean 71 123 109 8 Extraordinary Girl The O'Jays 64 124 77 7 Half A Man And Half A Boy Nick Lowe 63 125 116 15 Dr. Mabuse Propaganda 61 126 120 7 Sweetest Sweetest Jermaine Jackson 61 127 111 11 Love Games Belle And The Devotions 61 128 93 5 Peace On Earth Snowy White 61 129 153 4 Turn To Gold David Austin 59 130 136 2 Boys (Do Fall In Love) Robin Gibb 59 131 118 9 Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops Cocteau Twins 59 132 135 6 Breakdance Irene Cara 57 133 112 5 Murder / Thieves Like Us (Instrumental) New Order 56 134 113 5 The Body Electric Rush 56 135 95 3 I Love You, Suzanne Lou Reed 54 136 189 2 I'm In A Different World Dave Stewart & Barbara Gaskin 53 137 NE 1 And I Don't Love You Smokey Robinson 49 138 159 2 All Fired Up Fastway 49 139 117 67 Blue Monday New Order 48 140 110 13 You Take Me Up Thompson Twins 48 141 NE 1 No Man Is An Island Warp 9 47 142 RE 23 Jingo Candido 47 143 157 3 Get Your Feet Out Of My Shoes The Boothill Foot-Tappers 47 144 127 9 Uprock The Rock Steady Crew 47 145 125 6 State Of Love Imagination 47 146 121 2 Coming Out Of Hiding Pamala Stanley 47 147 103 9 Emergency (Dial 999) Loose Ends 47 148 115 7 What Presence?! Orange Juice 47 149 124 2 Don't I Ever Cross Your Mind Sometime (Radio Version) Barbara Mason 46 150 104 7 Romancing The Stone Eddy Grant 46 151 126 4 Rocket To Your Heart Lisa 43 152 145 6 Panama Van Halen 43 153 162 9 Thieves Like Us New Order 41 154 86 6 Diggi Loo - Diggi Ley The Herreys 41 155 123 6 Spiritwalker The Cult 41 156 144 21 Kiss Me (U.S. Remix) Tin Tin 40 157 94 9 Love Me Tender Roland Rat Superstar 40 158 128 4 Sign On The Dotted Line… JB's All Stars 40 159 203 32 Thriller Michael Jackson 39 160 147 22 Street Dance (Vocal) Break Machine 39 161 105 13 Ocean Deep / Baby You're Dynamite Cliff Richard 39 162 NE 1 Love Of My Dreams Yvonne Gage 38 163 151 2 Marvellous Guy Girltalk 38 164 149 11 Sneaking Out The Backdoor / Matt's Mood Matt Bianco 38 165 138 15 Nelson Mandela The Special AKA 38 166 119 4 Building On A Strong Foundation The Questions 36 167 160 8 Love & Pride King 36 168 172 14 It's A Miracle Culture Club 35 169 168 15 People Are People Depeche Mode 34 170 129 4 To All The Girls I've Loved Before Engelbert Humperdinck 34 171 173 22 What Difference Does It Make? The Smiths 33 172 155 34 This Charming Man The Smiths 33 173 140 4 Every Single Night Universe 33 174 NE 1 Da Do Run Ron Spitting Image 32 175 137 3 Baby Don't Break Your Baby's Heart Kashif 31 176 NE 1 All Of You Julio Iglesias And Diana Ross 30 177 174 17 Robert De Niro's Waiting Bananarama 29 178 131 10 You Don't Love Me Marilyn 29 179 106 11 (When You Say You Love Somebody) In The Heart Kool & The Gang 29 180 NE 2 Hot Hot Hot (Hotter Mix '84) Arrow 28 181 NE 2 Heart Begin To Beat Savage Progress 28 182 195 12 Dancing In The Sheets Shalamar 28 183 148 8 Drag Me Down The Boomtown Rats 28 184 146 3 Hip Hop Beat (Kid's Rap) The Rapologists 28 185 142 6 Hip Hop Bommi Bop The Increadible T. H. Scratchers Starring Freddy Love 28 186 274 13 I Scare Myself Thomas Dolby 27 187 267 2 You In The Night Fashiøn 27 188 221 8 Holding Out For A Hero Bonnie Tyler 27 189 166 8 So Many Men, So Little Time Miquel Brown 27 190 188 15 That's The Way (I Like It) Dead Or Alive 27 191 175 12 Give Me Tonight Shannon 27 192 217 22 Jump Van Halen 26 193 191 9 Don't Waste Your Time (Remix) Yarbrough & Peoples 26 194 180 19 Your Love Is King Sade 26 195 176 30 It's Raining Men The Weather Girls 26 196 152 8 Turn Your Back On Me Kajagoogoo 26 197 278 14 Living On Video Trans-X 25 198 265 14 Leave It (Remix) Yes 25 199 202 6 The Dominatrix Sleeps Tonight Dominatrix 25 200 171 19 Hide And Seek Howard Jones 25
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I agree with your point above Gambo and I do have the uncompressed ranking for all the charts sent me by Robbie that come from kobyhadrian in the database as I have to to ensure that the order of the *** is maintained. The largest is 22 Oct 1983 with 305 uncompressed positions (so 105 starred out) - although my data is only complete for now till 3 Nov 1984 was that's all I have added up to this point. The smallest is actually 7 Jan 1984 with just 3 starred out. Between 22 Jan 1983 and 3 Nov 1984 (The period with starred out records in the database) the average is 66.67 starred out tracks a week. For 1984 that is 69.8 starred out a week, so roughly 70 as you say.http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts
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According to Wikipedia that score album contains re-recordings so isn't even an actual soundtrack! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_A-Team
I should have looked here first, obviously.
The original main theme composed by Mike Post and Pete Carpenter[42] (in a performance credited to Post) was released on the vinyl LP Mike Post – Television Theme Songs (Elektra Records E1-60028Y, 1982) and again on the Mike Post – Mike Post LP (RCA Records AFL1-5183, 1984), both long out-of-print; however, this was not the same version of the theme as heard on-screen. The theme, as heard on seasons two through four (including the opening narration and sound effects), was also released on TVT's Television's Greatest Hits: 70s and 80s. A 7-inch single of the song credited to Post was released on RCA in 1984.[43]
The French version of the song had lyrics, which mirrored the spoken description of the show in the English opening credits.[44] The theme has been ranked among the best TV themes ever written, with TV weatherman Al Roker sharing that opinion, and using the song to "get jazzed up" in the morning.[42]
Though no original music other than the theme has been released, in 1984 EMI issued an album of re-recorded material from the series conducted by Daniel Caine (reissued by Silva Screen on compact disc in 1999, SILVAD 3509).Last edited by Blondini; Thu June 23, 2022, 14:04.
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No need to apologise Gambo, it's good to see the uncompressed chart so thanks for posting. On the chart I posted today (15 September 1984) there are 94 starred out records, so 5 more than from the chart you posted. Lonnie sends me a spreadsheet which includes data that I don't post here due to space constraints. In addition to the label and catalogue number there's also the positions on what would be the uncompressed charts. However I must admit I've not fully looked at the uncompressed charts so wasn't expecting to see around 90 records excluded.
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Originally posted by Gambo View PostSpeaking of the kids, it's delightfully nostalgic to find Mike Post's 'The A-Team' finally get its first chart appearance, at No 121, although I've hitherto been unaware of a rival orchestral version of the theme conducted by one Daniel Kane appearing 35 compressed positions beneath it. You can't beat the original as far as I'm concerned. Its enduring and continued usage as a soundbed for adverts etc must've made Post a millionaire by now just on that track alone.
About twenty years ago I was on the jury during a trial in which a mobile phone playing an 'A-Team' ringtone constituted a crucial piece of evidence....
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