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    Hello all, in the vein of Mr. Tibbs' excellent Ultimate Averaged Chart (UAC), here is a similar thread featuring the UK Album Charts.

    On the 28th July 1956, Record Mirror (RM) started to publish a 5-position album chart. From then until November 8th 1958, RM was the only album chart in the UK. Then on the 8th November, Melody Maker (MM) started to publish a 10-position chart. Fortunately Mr Tibbs is posting the RM LP chart from then until RM finishes publishing their own chart in 1962 (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...art-every-week). The early Guniness Album books were not aware of the RM chart and started with the Melody Maker chart in 1958, until they were informed by Alan Smith of its existence. As with the singles, the OCC have revised history deciding who was considered 'official' based on the longest chart at the time (so RM until 1st November 1958, and then MM). However, as we do know - at least for their singles chart - RM was using approximately 60 dealers while MM was only using around 25. Initially the inverse points for a chart of 10 positions will be applied to the two charts and then as per the UAC, this will be multipled by the number of dealers and the value summed for the charts. The dealer numbers will change as per the UAC (please see the UAC thread for information on the sources of the number of dealers (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...rt-re-imagined).
    In 1960, the 20-position RR chart (again now deemed by the OCC as the 'official' album chart and again with 1/3 the number of dealers) was started and this will be included when the time comes. In 1962, the RM chart ceased and they started to print the RR chart, so there will be adrop to 2 charts again. Fortunately NME also began to publish a chart in 1962 and so this will also be included. The final chart to be included will be the DISC charts in 1966/1967.

    All albums to chart will be listed, though there will be a Top 10 (or 20 or 30) section and then others a la the excellent Extended RM Chart of Mr Tibbs (https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...d-and-extended).
    I'm not sure how regular the posts will be - especially as the charts get bigger and there are more of them. For comparison, the purely averaged (a la if the BBC had done this for the albums and did do for the singles). At the least there will be the charts for each publication each week together.

    As previously, the idea behind these charts have been discussed by a small group whom I'd liek to thank for their support and guidance. Further suggestions are also welcome.
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon January 9, 2023, 00:12. Reason: Revised text to more accurately reflect the history of the 'official' Album charts

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    Here is the first Ultimate Averaged Album Chart for November 8th 1958
    The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending November 8th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
    Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
    Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart 10 Scored Points Position
    1 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 1 4 775 17 1
    2 Elvis' Golden Records - Elvis Presley 2 3 740 17 1
    3 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 3 2 705 17 1
    4 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 5 1 610 16 4
    5 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 4 5 570 13 5
    6 Warm- Johnny Mathis with Percy Faith and his Orchestra 6 125 5 6
    7 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
    8 Dear Perry - The Perry Como Show - Perry Como with Mitchell Ayers and his Orchestra and the ray Charles Singers 8 75 3 8
    9 Oklahoma - Original Soundtrack 9 50 2 9
    10 Songs by Tom Lehrer - Tom Lehrer 10 25 1 10
    Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon January 9, 2023, 01:45. Reason: I've expanded on the credits

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    • #3
      So the first chart is almost, but not quite, the RM chart with the additional MM albums below it. Unfortunately since the number of dealers for RM is more than twice that for MM, this is likely to be the pattern until things change.... Inverse points shows a 3-way tie for no.1!

      Elvis Presley has the top 2 albums, with 4 original soundtrack/original cast albums as well as albums from Frank Sinatra, Johnny Mathis, Perry Como and Tom Lehrer.

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      • #4
        Brain it's great to see this thread up and running already and many, many thanks for doing so. I'm really looking forward to seeing how an averaged album chart shapes up and defines the era and it will be equally valuable to see all the available album charts as they come on board alongside each other for comparison for the first time.

        Another excellent and valuable thread for us UKMIXERS to enjoy.
        To The Definitive Music Paper Chart

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        • #5
          This will be soooooo super duper, thanks braindeadpj !!!

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          • #6
            The MM chart has done Elvis a disservice there and I wonder if that trend will continue?

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            • #7
              In answer to your question, here's the next chart - so yes.... to some extent MM are downplaying the success of Elvis according to RM:
              The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending November 15th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
              Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
              Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart 10 Scored Points Position
              5 1 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 1 2 825 19 1
              2 2 Elvis' Golden Records - Elvis Presley 2 4 715 16 2
              1 3 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 3 5 630 14 5
              3 4 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 3 620 15 4
              4 5 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 5 1 610 16 2
              7 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 6 125 5 6
              6 7 Warm- Johnny Mathis with Percy Faith and his Orchestra 7 100 4 7
              8 8 Dear Perry - The Perry Como Show - Perry Como with Mitchell Ayers and his Orchestra and the ray Charles Singers 8 75 3 8
              N 9 Songs For Swingin' Lovers - Frank Sinatra, Orchestra Conducted by Nelson Riddle 9 50 2 9
              9 10 Oklahoma - Original Soundtrack 10 25 1 10
              Note: Songs For Swingin' Lovers is new to this chart, but is of course not new to the RM Chart.
              Last edited by braindeadpj; Mon January 9, 2023, 02:46.

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              • #8
                Here's the next chart.
                The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending November 22nd 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                1 1 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 1 2 825 19 1
                5 2 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 2 1 790 19 1
                2 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 5 630 14 3
                4 4 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 4 595 14 3
                3 5 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 5 3 560 14 3
                6 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 6 125 5 6
                8 7 Dear Perry - The Perry Como Show - Perry Como with Mitchell Ayers and his Orchestra and the ray Charles Singers 7 100 4 7
                RE 8 Songs by Tom Lehrer -Tom Lehrer 8 75 3 8
                N 9 Pack Up Your Troubles - Russ Conway with accompaniment directed by Geoff Love 9 50 2 9
                N 10 Stardust - Pat Boone, Orchestra and Chorus conducted by Billy Vaughn 10 25 1 10

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                • #9
                  As you can see, the top 5 records would be in 2 ties if just based on the inverse points, though of course the increased weight of the RM dealers does dictate the order.

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                  • #10
                    And here's the last one for November.
                    The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending November 29th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                    Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                    Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                    2 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                    1 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                    4 3 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 3 4 655 15 3
                    3 4 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 4 5 570 13 5
                    5 5 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 5 3 560 14 4
                    6 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 6 125 5 6
                    RE 7 Oklahoma! -Original Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
                    N 8 The Frank Sinatra Story - Frank Sinatra 8 75 3 8
                    9 9 Pack Up Your Troubles - Russ Conway with accompaniment directed by Geoff Love 9 50 2 9
                    8 10 Songs by Tom Lehrer -Tom Lehrer 10 25 1 10

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                    • #11
                      Three different no.1s in 4 weeks, though I suspect that rate of turnover may be about to change! So far the top 5 in MM and RM have been the same - just in a different order! Will that continue to be the case? You'll soon find out

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                      • #12
                        This is so well worth it, to see the full list of charting albums in one place and the charting columns for comparison. This thread is shaping up nicely with the best yet to come.
                        To The Definitive Music Paper Chart

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                        • #13
                          Yes, for the most part you can work out what the chart looks like based on the RM chart top 5 and then 6-10 for MM, but as the ratio changes/more charts are added, it'll get even more interesting!

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                          • #14
                            I read somewhere about a lady who went to see South Pacific every week. Might her devotion to the film have extended to purchasing a few copies in an MM-listed shop on her way home?

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                            • #15
                              Here's the next chart:for December 6th 1958
                              The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending December 6th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                              Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                              Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                              2 1 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 1 2 825 19 1
                              1 2 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 2 1 790 19 1
                              3 3 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 3 3 680 16 3
                              5 4 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 4 5 570 13 4
                              4 5 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 5 4 535 13 4
                              RE 6 Dear Perry - The Perry Como Show - Perry Como with Mitchell Ayers and his Orchestra and the ray Charles Singers 6 125 5 6
                              6 7 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
                              N 8 Carousel - Original Soundtrack 8 75 3 8
                              N 9 The Student Prince/The Great Caruso - Mario Lanza 9 50 2 9
                              7 10 Oklahoma! -Original Soundtrack 10 25 1 10
                              Note Carousel is a new entry on this chart, but would be a re-entry on the RM chart
                              Last edited by braindeadpj; Sat January 14, 2023, 05:52.

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                              • #16
                                The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending December 13th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                1 1 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 1 2 825 19 1
                                2 2 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 2 1 790 19 1
                                5 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                3 4 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 5 570 13 4
                                4 5 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 5 4 535 13 4
                                7 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 6 125 5 6
                                9 7 The Student Prince/The Great Caruso - Mario Lanza 7 100 4 7
                                6 8 Dear Perry - The Perry Como Show - Perry Como with Mitchell Ayers and his Orchestra and the ray Charles Singers 8 75 3 8
                                N 9 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 9 50 2 9
                                N 10 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 10 25 1 10

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                                • #17
                                  The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending December 20th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                  Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                  Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                  2 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                  1 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                  3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                  4 4 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 6 545 12 4
                                  5 5 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 5 5 510 12 4
                                  6 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 4 175 7 6
                                  9 7 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
                                  10 8 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 8 75 3 8
                                  RE 9 Pack Up Your Troubles - Russ Conway with accompaniment directed by Geoff Love 9 50 2 9
                                  RE 10 Carousel -Original Soundtrack 10 25 1 10

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                                  • #18
                                    Neither RM nor MM published a chart on the 27th December. For fun a chart has been created based on taking the inverse points of the 20/12/1958 and 3/1/1959 chart and ranking the records in order for both RM and MM. Records that fall outside of the Top 5/Top 10 are not listed though note that King Creole and Pack Up Your Troubles would be joint no.6 in RM and Carousel would've been at 11 in MM. [Note that if you counted KIng Creole and Pack Up Your Troubles as being joint no.5 (instead of the actual 6) they would be at 6 and King and I would fall to 8].
                                    The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending December 27th 1958 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                    Last This Calculated Chart since no Charts publsihed 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                    Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                    1 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                    2 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                    3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                    4 4 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 4 595 14 4
                                    7 4 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 4 4 595 14 4
                                    5 6 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 5 7 460 10 6
                                    9 6 Pack Up Your Troubles - Russ Conway with accompaniment directed by Geoff Love 5 7 460 10 6
                                    6 8 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 4 175 7 8
                                    8 9 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 9 50 2 9
                                    RE 10 Oklahoma - Original Soundtrack 10 25 1 10
                                    Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun January 15, 2023, 19:47.

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                                    • #19
                                      And now on to 1959
                                      The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending January 3rd 1959 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                      Last This The Sound Survey 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                      Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart 10 Scored Points Position
                                      1 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                      2 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                      3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                      4 4 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 4 4 595 14 4
                                      7 5 Pack Up Your Troubles - Russ Conway with accompaniment directed by Geoff Love 5 6 485 11 5
                                      4 6 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 5 150 6 6
                                      6 7 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
                                      9 8 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 8 75 3 8
                                      10 9 Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack 9 50 2 9
                                      7 10 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 10 25 1 10
                                      Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun January 15, 2023, 19:58.

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                                      • #20
                                        Pleased that the top 4 agree on both charts. One of the nice things about this is seeing the comparisons side by side.
                                        http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
                                        Now including NME, Record Mirror and Melody Maker from the UK and some Billboard charts

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                                        • #21
                                          The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending January 10th 1959 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                          Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                          Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                          1 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                          2 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                          3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                          4 4 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 4 7 520 11 5
                                          6 5 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 5 5 510 12 4
                                          7 6 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 4 175 7 6
                                          10 7 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 6 125 5 7
                                          8 8 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 8 75 3 8
                                          RE 9 Carousel - Original Soundtrack 9 50 2 9
                                          9 10 Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack 10 25 1 10

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                                          • #22
                                            The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending January 17th 1959 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                            Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                            Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                            1 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                            2 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                            3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                            4 4 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 4 6 545 12 5
                                            5 5 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 5 4 535 13 4
                                            8 6 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 5 150 6 6
                                            6 7 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 7 100 4 7
                                            7 8 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 8 75 3 8
                                            10 9 Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack 9 50 2 9
                                            RE 10 Songs for Swingin' Lovers - Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 10 25 1 10

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by kingofskiffle View Post
                                              Pleased that the top 4 agree on both charts. One of the nice things about this is seeing the comparisons side by side.
                                              Of course just as you say that, the no.4 shows variation! Currently there is good agreement between the charts, though we know from the RM album thread there will be a week with different no.1s.... It will be interesting to see whether we ever get more than 10 records while its just RM and MM (meaning a top 5 RM not in the MM Top 10).

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by braindeadpj View Post

                                                Of course just as you say that, the no.4 shows variation! Currently there is good agreement between the charts, though we know from the RM album thread there will be a week with different no.1s.... It will be interesting to see whether we ever get more than 10 records while its just RM and MM (meaning a top 5 RM not in the MM Top 10).
                                                We might brain because in March 1961 RM compiles an album Top Ten so we might see a different album or two even at the lower chart end not ranked by MM.
                                                To The Definitive Music Paper Chart

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                                                • #25
                                                  The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending January 24th 1959 RM MM Total Total Inverse
                                                  Last This 60 25 Points Inverse Points
                                                  Week Week The Top 10 Albums Chart Scored Points Position
                                                  1 1 South Pacific - Original Soundtrack 1 1 850 20 1
                                                  2 2 My Fair Lady -Original Broadway Cast Recording 2 2 765 18 2
                                                  3 3 Elvis's Golden Records - Elvis Presley 3 3 680 16 3
                                                  4 4 Jack Good's "Oh Boy!" - Original TV Soundtrack 4 5 570 13 4
                                                  6 5 Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely -Frank Sinatra, orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle 5 7 460 10 5
                                                  5 6 Come Fly With Me - Frank Sinatra with Billy May and his Orchestra 4 175 7 6
                                                  8 7 King Creole (OST) - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires 6 125 5 7
                                                  7 8 The King and I - Original Soundtrack 8 75 3 8
                                                  N 9 West Side Story - Original Broadway Cast 9 50 2 9
                                                  N 10 Swing Softly - Johnny Mathis with Percy Faith and his Orchestra 10 25 1 10
                                                  Last edited by braindeadpj; Sun March 5, 2023, 22:38.

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