The UK Ultimate Averaged Album Chart 1958 to ...

[Satchmo76]

I think RR is mistaken. Volumes 3 and 4 of the Riddle set (HMV CLP 1347-8) went on sale in May 1960 and Volume 5 in July (HMV CLP 1353). These were reviewed in the newspapers, which don't mention Brunswick.

[braindeadpj]

Based on the OCC and the data I have from kingofskiffle Ella Sings Gershwin is on the Brunswick label and so is the 1954 reissue of the original 1950 Decca release with Ellis Larkins. The version to chart next week is on HMV and the label calls it Ella Sings Gershwin Volume 5 (Arrangements and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle), while the back cover says Ella Fitzgerald sings the George and Ira Gershwin Songbook volume 5 (music arranged and conducted by Nelson Riddle). The track listing is completely different for the two albums and so it is entirely possible that they both charted.

Yes Elvis gets cheated out of a no.2 by RR.

[kingofskiffle]

See the scans. I'd suggest that if they were wrong it was because of wrong data received.

16 July
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3ib2x91th...20Pop.pdf?dl=0
23 July
https://www.dropbox.com/s/875l79ge5j...20Pop.pdf?dl=0

[Satchmo76]

I agree that we have to go with the published chart info in RR unless we have proof they got it wrong, which I don't.

[braindeadpj]

Of course you may be right, but as we don't know for sure, as you say, we'll have to 'trust' RR despite their imperfect record.....

[braindeadpj]

Fortunately RR can't keep Elvis off the no.1 spot this week - and why isn't Gigi on MM? Apart from that, it is again a Top 20.

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending July 23rd 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	38	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 20 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
5	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	2	2530	59	1
1	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	1	2462	58	2
2	3	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers					3	3	3	2304	54	3
3	4	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					4	4	6	2116	49	4
4	5	Gigi-Original Soundtrack					5		13	1200	24	8
6	6	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						7	4	1042	31	5
17	7	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						6	7	990	29	6
10	8	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						8	8	884	26	7
13	9	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						9	11	756	22	9
7	10	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						10	10	748	22	9
9	11	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)						5	17	728	20	11
12	12	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							5	480	16	12
11	13	Cliff Sings - Cliff Richard and the Shadows and the Norrie Paramor Strings							9	360	12	13
RE	14	Especially For You… - Duane Eddy, his 'Twangy' Guitar and the Rebels							11	300	10	14
14	15	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							12	270	9	15
23	16	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							15	180	6	16
N	17	High Society (Johnny Green conducting the MGM Studio Orchestra) - Original Soundtrack							16	150	5	17
N	18	Ella Sings Gershwin Vol. 5 - Ella Fitzgerald (Arrangements and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle)							18	90	3	18
RE	19	The Explosive! Freddy Cannon - Freddy Cannon							19	60	2	19
19	20	I Remember Hank Williams - Jack Scott							20	30	1	20

High Society was of course on the RM charts in 1956 but is new to the UAAC.

[Satchmo76]

High Society was still being shown in some London cinemas.

Freddy Cannon had a new single out - Chattanooga Shoe Shine Boy/Boston (My Home Town) - but it didn't chart on RR (but maybe boosted the LP). Cannon's co-producer was Bob Crewe, later famous with The Four Seasons.

Elvis slays the chart with 181.48%

Elvis is about 1200 percentage points behind Gigi so I reckon it's 50:50 whether he catches Gigi by the end of 1960 (otherwise he definitely does it in 1961). This would put him 2nd behind South Pacific. Obviously, if he keeps two albums in the top 5 for the next 6 months he'll do it quickly, especially if Gigi drops below 5.

[braindeadpj]

Gigi will actually fall below My Fair Lady later in the year, so My Fair Lady may overtake Gigi...

[Satchmo76]

Yes, it just depends on how many points My Fair Lady can get in its last 35 or so weeks when it will be below the top 5 but still making a steady percentage per week, whereas (I think) Gigi will be gone forever after 29.10.60.

[Satchmo76]

The free Caruso disc must include some of the earliest recordings ever to reach the albums chart (1904-1910 or so).

[braindeadpj]

Again a Top 20 and again Gigi is missing from MM. Good agreement with the Top 4.

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending July 30th 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	110	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 20 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
1	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	1	4000	60	1
2	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	2	3800	57	2
3	3	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers					3	3	3	3600	54	3
4	4	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					4	4	4	3400	51	4
7	5	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						5	10	2090	27	7
11	6	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)						6	8	2040	28	6
6	7	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						7	9	1900	26	8
9	8	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						8	12	1700	22	10
10	9	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						10	6	1660	26	8
8	10	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						9	18	1410	15	12
5	11	Gigi-Original Soundtrack					5		7	1380	30	5
12	12	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							5	480	16	11
15	13	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							11	300	10	13
16	14	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							13	240	8	14
RE	15	West Side Story - Original Broadway Cast							14	210	7	15
RE	16	An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer - Tom Lehrer							15	180	6	16
RE	17	My Concerto for You - Russ Conway with Michael Collins and his Concert Orchestra and The Williams Singers							16	150	5	17
RE	18	The Buddy Holly Story - Buddy Holly and the Crickets							17	120	4	18
N	19	Singin' to My Baby - Eddie Cochran with the Johnny Mann Orchestra and Chorus							19	60	2	19
18	20	Ella Sings Gershwin Vol. 5 - Ella Fitzgerald (Arrangements and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle)							20	30	1	20

[Satchmo76]

Big increase in MM dealers!

[braindeadpj]

Big increase in MM dealers!

Oh yes, sorry forgot to mention that. You can see from the issue at worldradiohistory.com (https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mel...-07-30-OCR.pdf on page 2) that this issue they start saying "Data supplied by over 100 record dealers", whereas the previous week (https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Mel...-07-23-OCR.pdf) they listed 39 dealers as sources of the data. Surprisingly there doesn't appear to be any other mention of this increase in the issue...

Of course MM is now dominant and RM and RR combined are not able to compete - however, it won't be as straight forward as the the MM top ten and the rest..... (or at least not quite).

[braindeadpj]

A Top 21 as Peggy Lee is not on RR this week.

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending August 6th 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	110	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 21 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
1	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	2	3970	59	1
2	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	1	3830	58	2
3	3	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers					3	3	3	3600	54	3
6	4	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)					4	4	6	3340	49	4
4	5	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					5	6	5	3090	47	5
9	6	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						5	15	1940	22	6
5	7	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						7	16	1690	19	9
8	8	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						8	13	1670	21	8
7	9	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						10	10	1540	22	6
10	10	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						9		1320	12	13
12	11	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							4	510	17	10
11	12	Gigi-Original Soundtrack							7	420	14	11
14	13	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							8	390	13	12
17	14	My Concerto for You - Russ Conway with Michael Collins and his Concert Orchestra and The Williams Singers							9	360	12	13
RE	15	The Best of Sellers - Peter Sellers, music directed by Ron Goodwin							11	300	10	15
13	16	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							12	270	9	16
RE	17	Cliff Sings - Cliff Richard and the Shadows and the Norrie Paramor Strings							14	210	7	17
N	18	Craig Douglas - Craig Douglas							17	120	4	18
RE	19	The King and I - Original Soundtrack							18	90	3	19
RE	20	Crazy Times - Gene Vincent							19	60	2	20
		THE NEXT POSITION(S)
18	21	The Buddy Holly Story - Buddy Holly and the Crickets							20	30	1	21

[braindeadpj]

Again we have 21 as RR doesn't have Oklahoma! in its chart, despite it being at 5 on MM.

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending August 13th 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	110	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 21 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
1	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	2	3970	59	1
2	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	1	3830	58	2
3	3	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers					3	3	3	3600	54	3
5	4	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					4	4	6	3340	49	4
4	5	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)					5	8	5	2870	45	5
6	6	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						6	7	2070	29	6
7	7	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						5		1760	16	10
8	8	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						7	15	1720	20	8
9	9	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						9	8	1710	25	7
10	10	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						10	19	1270	13	11
11	11	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							4	510	17	9
12	12	Gigi-Original Soundtrack							9	360	12	12
RE	13	The Most Happy Fella - Original Broadway Cast (Orchestra and Choral Direction by Herbert Greene)							10	330	11	13
16	14	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							11	300	10	14
14	15	My Concerto for You - Russ Conway with Michael Collins and his Concert Orchestra and The Williams Singers							12	270	9	15
21	16	The Buddy Holly Story - Buddy Holly and the Crickets							13	240	8	16
15	17	The Best of Sellers - Peter Sellers, music directed by Ron Goodwin							14	210	7	17
13	18	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							16	150	5	18
18	19	Craig Douglas - Craig Douglas							17	120	4	19
RE	20	An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer - Tom Lehrer							18	90	3	20
		THE NEXT POSITION(S)
RE	21	Especially For You - Duane Eddy, His Twangy Guitar and the Rebels							20	30	1	21

[Satchmo76]

Just for fun, these are my calculations for 28 July 1956 to the end of 1959. The totals are rounded to the nearest whole number:

(Formula: my inverse points totals to the end of 1958* multiplied by 10; minus the UAC percentages for Nov-Dec 58; plus the UAC percentages for 1959):

Rnk	Act or Various Artists LP	1956-58	- Nov/Dec 58	1959	Total
1	Frank Sinatra	8220	-616.4706	1798.731	9402
2	The King And I – Original Soundtrack	8540	-123.5294	247.8638	8664
3	South Pacific – Original Soundtrack	2830	-722.3529	4592.941	6701
4	Elvis Presley	5810	-1156.471	1959.164	6613
5	My Fair Lady – Original Broadway Cast	3130	-725.2941	3451.238	5856
6	Oklahoma – Original Soundtrack	5260	-26.47059	73.52941	5307
7	Gigi			3262.508	3263
8	Tommy Steele	2730	0		2730
9	Lonnie Donegan	2430	0		2430
10	Bill Haley & His Comets	1970	0		1970
11	Carousel – Original Soundtrack	1940	-11.76471	8.823529	1937
12	Pal Joey – Original Soundtrack	1920	0		1920
13	High Society – Original Soundtrack	1870	0		1870

*See https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...5#post11118675

[Satchmo76]

If I took the above table forward to 13.8.60, South Pacific would be No. 1 and Cliff Richard would be a New Entry at 8, Peter Sellers at 10.

[braindeadpj]

For the 3rd week running RR have gone with South Pacific while RM and MM agree on Elvis is Back....Peggy Lee drops off of RR while Oklahoma jumps back in....

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending August 20th 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	110	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 21 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
1	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	2	3970	59	1
2	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	1	3830	58	2
3	3	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers					5	3	3	3480	52	3
5	4	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)					3	5	5	3320	50	4
4	5	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					4	4	7	3310	48	5
7	6	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						6	12	1920	24	8
9	7	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						7	9	1900	26	7
6	8	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						9	4	1830	29	6
8	9	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						8	17	1550	17	9
10	10	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						10		1210	11	12
18	11	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							6	450	15	10
12	12	Gigi-Original Soundtrack							8	390	13	11
16	13	The Buddy Holly Story - Buddy Holly and the Crickets							10	330	11	12
11	14	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							11	300	10	14
14	15	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							13	240	8	15
20	16	An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer - Tom Lehrer							14	210	7	16
15	17	My Concerto for You - Russ Conway with Michael Collins and his Concert Orchestra and The Williams Singers							15	180	6	17
13	18	The Most Happy Fella - Original Broadway Cast (Orchestra and Choral Direction by Herbert Greene)							16	150	5	18
RE	19	Beauty and the Beat! (Recorded Live at the National Disc Jockey Convention in Miami, Florida) - Peggy Lee & George Shearing and the Quintet							18	90	3	19
RE	20	Strictly for Grown-Ups - Paddy Roberts, accompaniment directed by Dennis Wilson							19	60	2	20
		THE NEXT POSITION(S)
N	21	Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs - Marty Robbins							20	30	1	21

[Satchmo76]

This was Marty Robbins' entire albums chart career until a 1979 compilation. Ella Fitzgerald had more weeks than him in 1960 but doesn't return until 1980.

It would be interesting eventually to compile a list of acts who only ever have one week on the UAC, with the lowest possible score at that time (30 points here).

[braindeadpj]

Weird how Ian Menzies and his Clyde Valley Stompers can be at 4 in RM but nowhere in MM and RR. Perhaps this is related to regional sale variation? Again RR is missing the MM Top Ten selling Peggy Lee.

The Ultimate Averaged Album Chart - Week Ending August 27th 1960							RM	MM	RR	Total	Total	Inverse
Last	This						60	110	30	Points	Inverse	Points
Week	Week		The Top 22 Albums Chart							Scored	Points	Position
1	1	Elvis is Back! - Elvis Presley and the Jordannaires (except for side 1 track 2)					1	1	2	3970	59	1
2	2	South Pacific - Original Soundtrack					2	2	1	3830	58	2
4	3	Mario Lanza sings Caruso Favourites - Mario Lanza with Orchestra conducted by Paul Baron (+ free Best of Caruso -Enrico Caruso disc)					3	5	3	3380	52	3
5	4	Elvis' Golden Records, Volume 2 - Elvis Presley with the Jordannaires					5	7	8	2890	43	4
3	5	It's Everly Time -The Everly Brothers						3	4	2490	35	5
6	6	Oklahoma! - Original Soundtrack						4	12	2140	26	8
7	7	Cole Porter's Can Can, Chorus and Orchestra conducted by Nelson Riddle - Original Soundtrack						6	5	2130	31	6
8	8	My Fair Lady - Original Broadway Cast						8	7	1850	27	7
9	9	The"Twangs" The "Thang" - Duane Eddy the "Twangy" Guitar and his Rebels						10	15	1390	17	9
10	10	Latin a la Lee (Broadway Hits Styled with an Afro-Cuban Beat) - Peggy Lee with Jack Marshall's Music						9		1320	12	12
N	11	Have Tartan - Will Trad - Ian Menzies and his Clyde Valley Stompers					4			1020	17	9
N	12	Down Drury Lane to Memory Lane (2x LP) - 101 Strings							6	450	15	11
13	13	The Buddy Holly Story - Buddy Holly and the Crickets							9	360	12	12
14	14	(Rodgers & Hammerstein in association with Joseph Fields present a new musical) Flower Drum Song- Original Broadway Cast							10	330	11	14
11	15	Come Back to Sorrento - Frank Sinatra, with Orchestra under the direction of Axel Stordahl							11	300	10	15
12	16	Gigi-Original Soundtrack							13	240	8	16
RE	17	Songs for Swingin' Sellers - Peter Sellers and Irene Handl, musical direction by Ron Goodwin							14	210	7	17
15	18	This is Hancock - Tony Hancock/Hancock's Half Hour							16	150	5	18
16	19	An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer - Tom Lehrer							17	120	4	19
RE	20	The King and I - Original Soundtrack							18	90	3	20
		THE NEXT POSITION(S)
18	21	The Most Happy Fella - Original Broadway Cast (Orchestra and Choral Direction by Herbert Greene)							19	60	2	21
20	22	Strictly for Grown-Ups - Paddy Roberts, accompaniment directed by Dennis Wilson							20	30	1	22

[MrTibbs]

This thread is a revelation brain in highlighting these glaring differences between the charts that we would otherwise miss just like The UAC did too.

[braindeadpj]

I agree and was hoping to see such a comparison since you started the UAC, but sometimes you just have to do it yourself ! Ian Menzies only spent 2 weeks on the RM chart with Have Tartan - Will Travel so it will be interesting to see what happens next week... (*spoiler* still only on RM)
He also will have another album later in 1961 so we'll have to wait and see how that fares (and it has a longer chart run in RM)

[Splodj]

Well of course at this time the UAC had 5 singles charts, so when there was a 'stray' position it was easier to iron out.

On a slightly related matter ... will you be including the Music Echo charts from May 1965?

The reason I ask is that it seems to me that upon the Disc & Music Echo merger their L.P. chart could have been a continuation of whatever processes had put in place a year earlier by ME (even though it was reduced to a Top 10) because, as far as I can see, Disc did not have an album chart hitherto. Alan Smith thought ME sampled "50-80 returns at best". Just a thought!

[Satchmo76]

Spoiler: you can get the Ian Menzies 1961 RM info at this post:

https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...3#post11117013

brain, how will you be scoring The Crickets in relation to Buddy Holly: do they get Buddy Holly & The Crickets points as well as Crickets points (for their LPs after Buddy died)?

I have chosen not to give The Shadows credit for Cliff Records because there was no chart act called The Shadows before Cliff's first LP with them whereas there were chart acts called The Crickets, Miracles and Supremes before their lead singers got separate billing.

[braindeadpj]

brain, how will you be scoring The Crickets in relation to Buddy Holly: do they get Buddy Holly & The Crickets points as well as Crickets points (for their LPs after Buddy died)?

I have chosen not to give The Shadows credit for Cliff Records because there was no chart act called The Shadows before Cliff's first LP with them whereas there were chart acts called The Crickets, Miracles and Supremes before their lead singers got separate billing.

I combined both The Crickets and The Shadows with the scores achieved in partnership with their respective partners (Buddy Holly and Cliff Richard).