RPM Charts Canada [February 24, 1964, to its final issue on November 13, 2000] available here

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Info on the 4 Ted Kennedy Canada chart books on the Zobbel chart books website, scroll down to Canada:

http://www.zobbel.de/bdc/bdc_01.htm#CAN

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

There's also another Canadian charts thread here on UKMix, titled "Questions about the charts in Canada", 5 thread pages long with some helpful info, check it out:

https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...arts-in-canada

[MAPL]

Thanks for the heads-up MAPL !! I'll probably order the RPM singles book 1964-90. Too bad the 1990-2000 book is sold out already.

I'm hoping someone has published a book on "The Record" Canadian charts as well, looks like from 1983-2001 in some configuration. I note from the Wiki article (link below) that Billboard featured "The Record" singles and album charts as their Canadian charts in their Hits Of The World section. So we can at least find them in Billboard issues on the World Radio History Site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Record_(magazine)

Nanda Lwin is the one that used The Record in chart books. The Canadian Singles Chart Book starts in 1975 and uses three or four charts for various periods until The Record starts in 1983. The Canadian Sinles Chart Book is definitely easier to find than the Ted Kennedy books.

BTW, I always thought The Record was a bit of a strange thing, format wise, Not sure about later years, but early on it was done on legal paper (A5) and held together with one staple in the upper left corner, it was a bit awkward to go through, long and floppy,

[Passing_Stranger]

Billboard featured "The Record" singles and album charts as their Canadian charts in their Hits Of The World section. So we can at least find them in Billboard issues on the World Radio History Site.

I went through all issues of Billboard of the 1980s regarding The Record charts. First of all, they only featured Top 20 for both singles and albums whereas the full charts were Top 50, if I remember correctly. Second, Billboard didn't feature The Record charts in all issues. For example, there were only 34 weeks covered in 1984, 30 - in 1985, 36 in 1986, and only in 1987 things improved with 47 weeks covered in both 1987 and 1988. Thirdly, Billboard often printed wrong dates for these charts or put the same chart for two or even three weeks. So it doesn't solve the problem, unfortunately.

As for Nanda Lwin books, they are good but for some queer reason he decided to feature only peak dates, not the entry dates. So you only know when the song peaked. This way they're half-unusable for chart buffs like me. I wish someone would scan those charts and put them online or at least made a new book with the entry dates featured.

[MAPL]

Copies of The Record are really hard to find, I'm sure there's a collection somewhere as obviously Nanda alwin had them or access,

it was an industry thing. It wasn't on sale on the newsstands. So that really limits copies out there floating around, While I've come across the odd copy of RPM in second hand stores of books or music, I've never seen a single copy of The Record in such nor any ever in when staff asked,

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

Nanda Lwin is the one that used The Record in chart books. The Canadian Singles Chart Book starts in 1975 and uses three or four charts for various periods until The Record starts in 1983. The Canadian Sinles Chart Book is definitely easier to find than the Ted Kennedy books.

BTW, I always thought The Record was a bit of a strange thing, format wise, Not sure about later years, but early on it was done on legal paper (A5) and held together with one staple in the upper left corner, it was a bit awkward to go through, long and floppy,

MAPL, if you know where Lwin's books are being sold, please shoot me a PM. I have searched for years, and I can't find them anywhere, new or used. While I'm more interested in pre-The Record charts, I'd still like to get a book on them just for comparison. Cheers n chips !!

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

There is a Brian Tarling who seems to have been redoing some of these long out of print books, I've not dealt with him, so this is simply a fact post. Copyright date on the website is a few years old now.

http://www.vancouverschartedsongs.ca

Thanks to MAPL, I contacted Brian Tarling, and yesterday ordered 4 of his chart books, RPM Singles 1964-90, Vancouver Singles 1956-78 and 1979-93, and his CHUM book 1957-86. I got his last copy of the CHUM book, and I wanted a copy of his RPM singles 1990-2000 but that was already sold out. So I encouraged him to go the print-on-demand route for when he runs out of stock.

The good thing about his books is they are 2 in 1, they also include a pop annual section for each year, all records ranked by peak chart position just like Whitburn. Most groovy. Check out the sample pages. The shipping is expensive, but prices are in Canadian $, so divide total book cost by 1.64 to get into £. The most essential book (for me) would be the RPM Singles 1964-90, which would cost £68 including shipping. This is a massive 854 pages, 8.5 x 11" = 21.5 x 28 cm.

Even better news, he is in the middle of compiling an RPM albums book, which I don't think has ever been done before. Nanda Lwin did publish an albums book based on The Record charts, but that covered only 1983-2002.

Groovy to the max !!

[MAPL]

MAPL, if you know where Lwin's books are being sold, please shoot me a PM. I have searched for years, and I can't find them anywhere, new or used. While I'm more interested in pre-The Record charts, I'd still like to get a book on them just for comparison. Cheers n chips !!

I'll keep my eyes open for any!

let us know how the books from Brian look when you get them.

If one were to take up ACA offer for early 2000 charts - are there any known issues with posting Nielsen charts to UKMIX?

[Germanicus]

Dear All

I came across a number of RPM Charts 1964-1966 on the Internet Archives in PDF Format

https://archive.org/search?sort=-dat...964+TO+2019%5D

There are 101 copies available

Most respectfully

Germanicus

[RokinRobinOfLocksley]

OK Guys, I received the 4 Canadian chart books from Brian Tarling, and they are totally awesome !! The RPM book arrived in 7 days, the other 3 in 8 days.

Again all books are 8.5 x 11" = 21.5 x 28 cm, in paperback. The RPM book is 1.7" = 4.3 cm thick, it's a whale at 856 pages. Tarling is most meticulous, being an accountant in his formally employed life, ha. This RPM book covers 1964-1990 = charted songs/records. (RPM changed to charted tracks after that, 1990-2000, which Tarling covered in another book, but that is now sold out.) So this big RPM book includes:

--14 pages of introduction, methodology, history, notes, etc.
--356 pages of records by artist with debut date, total weeks charted, weeks in the Top 40, Top 10, peak position.
--362 pages of a pop annual section, records listed by year 1964-1990 and chart peak; all but 5 years go up to 100 chart positions per year, as per the actual RPM charts.
--20 pages of stats and rankings.
--followed by the song title section.

Type size is nice and big. This is a 1st class book all the way, very similar to the quality of the Whitburn books, just not hardcover. I can gladly and fully endorse this book as a masterpiece, ha. And it's 2 books in 1, records by artist + pop annual. Definitely worth the cost and the expensive shipping, if you need a Canadian book. Check out the sample pages at the link down below.

The other 3 books are the same great quality, and all have a pop annual section too:
--Vancouver Charts 1956-78 (on the west coast) = 722 p, 1.4" / 3.5 cm thick.
--Vancouver Charts 1979-93 = 314 p, 0.7" / 1.7 cm thick.
--The CHUM Charts 1957-86 (on the east coast) = 572 p, 1.2" / 2.9 cm thick. (Though now sadly sold out too, I got the last copy.)

So if anyone is interested in these, I say go for it. If you want copies of the sold out books, ask Tarling to go for a reprinting, or possibly try and do a print-on-demand. He's done 3 editions of the first Vancouver book, so there is hope for the other sell outs.

And as I mentioned, he is finishing up his next book as we speak, on the RPM LP Charts, I assume the usual artist-LPs type of book, which I don't think has ever been published before. Would be sweet if he could manage an LP annual type section, I don't think Whitburn's ever done that feature.

Thanks again MAPL !!!

http://www.vancouverschartedsongs.ca/

[MAPL]

Thanks for the review. They sound awesome!