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    Hi all, I was having a discussion with a friend about the legacies of the big 80s/90s divas and decided to examine a bit more closely. Spent a few hours today combining Spotify/Youtube streaming figures to see how they all fare. Thought I'd share my findings with an online community somewhere, and this one seems appropriate.

    Artists examined: Celine Dion, Madonna, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston. The four women generally considered the bestselling of all-time in terms of raw record sales, I believe? Also four contemporaries who dominated the latter part of the 20th century. (I was initially going to investigate Janet Jackson's numbers as well, but it turns out her streaming numbers are miniscule in comparison to the others? And I don't think she was ever as global a force as the core four, even at her peak.)

    I took numbers from each artist's official YouTube account, as well as their Spotify streams. This is obviously far from foolproof. Artists have unlisted videos, multiple versions of songs on Spotify, remixes and live versions, etc. Moreover, many of the artist's most viewed videos aren't affiliated with their official Vevo. These numbers shouldn't be taken as scientific by any means (there might be figures missing or erroneously added if I've failed to understand whether multiple songs/versions are the same or not). Still, I think what follows can offer a very basic guideline regarding each diva's most enduring hits.

    First off, the top twenty most streamed songs for each lady.

    CELINE DION

    1 I'm Alive 229,588,223
    2 My Heart Will Go On 211,563,109
    3 It's All Coming Back to Me Now 208,148,149
    4 The Power of Love 207,344,365
    5 That's the Way It Is 201,078,502
    6 A New Day Has Come 173,362,918
    7 Pour que tu m'aimes encore 151,375,640
    8 Because You Loved Me 137,885,919
    9 Ashes 137,842,509
    10 My Heart Will Go On (live) 134,956,305
    11 The Prayer 126,026,806
    12 All by Myself 88,339,352
    13 Encore un soir 87,939,109
    14 I Drove All Night 84,480,881
    15 Parler à mon père 80,465,401
    16 Beauty and the Beast 64,312,361
    17 The Power of Love (live) 62,973,190
    18 Think Twice 58,512,334
    19 Immortality 53,962,481
    20 Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 52,949,510
    Notes: Celine more than any of the other divas suffers under this system of measurement, although it's somewhat self-inflicted. Her two biggest hits (My Heart Will Go On, Because You Loved Me) haven't had their videos officially uploaded onto her YouTube. They sit at #2 and #8 here respectively purely through Spotify streams, but it's obvious that they'd be her top two were it not for the lack of official videos. Celine's live videos have much larger numbers than the other divas, and a big part of that is surely due to the lack of MHWGO and BYLM vids (the live version of the former has 130m+ views, and the latter has 40m+ - both incredibly impressive). Videos for other notable Celine hits that one might expect to fare better (Beauty and the Beast, Tell Him) are also missing. All of this means that Celine's biggest streaming hit is, bizarrely, I'm Alive, and her numbers are significantly less than they probably should be. She's still incredibly consistent, however, and most of her other big hits are well represented here.

    MADONNA

    1 La Isla Bonita 421,240,708
    2 Bitch I'm Madonna 372,904,841
    3 Hung Up 306,524,620
    4 Like a Prayer 246,975,468
    5 4 Minutes 242,765,953
    6 Vogue 198,694,790
    7 Like a Virgin 189,755,134
    8 Material Girl 171,386,746
    9 Papa Don't Preach 152,786,702
    10 Girl Gone Wild 122,607,578
    11 Give It 2 Me 97,096,905
    12 Frozen 96,288,186
    13 Give Me All Your Luvin' 96,260,982
    14 Medellín 96,016,224
    15 Living for Love 71,408,366
    16 Ghosttown 71,366,111
    17 Live to Tell 70,575,386
    18 Holiday 67,810,528
    19 Celebration 66,257,892
    20 Into the Groove 65,473,573
    Notes: Madonna's catalogue of hits is the largest of all these ladies. It's surprising, then, that songs postdating the birth of YouTube comprise 50% of this list (by far the largest 'recency' bias of any of the divas). While the YouTube numbers for many of her classic hits initially seem a little disappointing, it should be noted that many of them have unlisted videos. I've done my best to add these to the totals where available. As a result, La Isla Bonita is by far her biggest success in the streaming era, which is a result I find personally quite shocking. Madonna also has only ten songs that have passed 100m streams using this method - the lowest number of the four divas - but it looks like she has an additional four hits that'll pass that number imminently.

    MARIAH CAREY

    1 All I Want for Christmas Is You 1,099,074,039
    2 We Belong Together 602,238,948
    3 Without You 339,245,161
    4 Hero 332,025,868
    5 Always Be My Baby 306,850,791
    6 When You Believe 296,507,756
    7 One Sweet Day 251,334,437
    8 Touch My Body 248,479,662
    9 I Know What You Want 207,571,242
    10 Obsessed 204,115,895
    11 All I Want for Christmas Is You (SuperFestive!) 192,577,643
    12 My All 177,619,471
    13 I Want to Know What Love Is 161,527,811
    14 Fantasy 142,265,421
    15 Angels Cry 139,994,636
    16 #Beautiful 138,475,331
    17 Endless Love 100,081,888
    18 Bye Bye 99,989,564
    19 O Holy Night 89,276,825
    20 Shake It Off 84,915,587
    Notes: 17 hits at 100m+, an 18th about to pass that mark imminently, a balance of YouTube-era videos (eight) and classic hits, and a remarkable rebranding as the Queen of Christmas which means she'll always rack up huge streaming numbers for at least six weeks every year, Mariah is clearly the most successful of all the divas. Her biggest hits are enormous, but there's a depth to her back catalogue's success that the other ladies can't quite match too.

    WHITNEY HOUSTON

    1 I Will Always Love You 1,148,219,999
    2 I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me) 560,907,939
    3 I Have Nothing 523,486,767
    4 Higher Love 299,317,457
    5 When You Believe 296,507,756
    6 Greatest Love of All 211,991,612
    7 How Will I Know 200,293,519
    8 I Look to You 189,122,362
    9 Run to You 180,244,976
    10 My Love Is Your Love 123,323,435
    11 It's Not Right But It's Okay 118,215,475
    12 Saving All My Love for You 114,624,186
    13 Could I Have This Kiss Forever 97,572,062
    14 I'm Every Woman 72,717,539
    15 All the Man That I Need 63,382,046
    16 One Moment in Time 57,897,445
    17 Where Do Broken Hearts Go 44,756,395
    18 Didn't We Almost Have It All 42,592,349
    19 So Emotional 39,365,836
    20 Try It on My Own 38,826,383
    Notes: Whitney, for obvious reasons, never transitioned into the streaming era like the others. It's she who has the highest proportion of 'legacy' hits here. But her biggest hits have clearly been embraced with open arms by newer generations - three songs at 500m+ is extraordinary, and a further nine (soon to be ten) at 100m+. Where she suffers is from a lack of depth, though... there's a considerable drop-off in the latter part of this list. It should be noted that Where Do Broken Hearts Go is undermined by a video that's generally unavailable in most territories (its Spotify numbers are very respectable).


    After tallying these numbers up, I decided to create an overall list of the biggest streaming hits by these four divas, which goes as follows:

    1 Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You 1,148,219,999
    2 Mariah Carey All I Want for Christmas Is You 1,099,074,039
    3 Mariah Carey We Belong Together 602,238,948
    4 Whitney Houston I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me) 560,907,939
    5 Whitney Houston I Have Nothing 523,486,767
    6 Madonna La Isla Bonita 421,240,708
    7 Madonna feat. Nicki Minaj Bitch I'm Madonna 372,904,841
    8 Mariah Carey Without You 339,245,161
    9 Mariah Carey Hero 332,025,868
    10 Mariah Carey Always Be My Baby 306,850,791
    11 Madonna Hung Up 306,524,620
    12 Kygo & Whitney Houston Higher Love 299,317,457
    13 Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey When You Believe 296,507,756
    14 Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men One Sweet Day 251,334,437
    16 Madonna Like a Prayer 246,975,468
    17 Madonna feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland 4 Minutes 242,765,953
    18 Celine Dion I'm Alive 229,588,223
    19 Whitney Houston Greatest Love of All 211,991,612
    20 Celine Dion My Heart Will Go On 211,563,109
    21 Celine Dion It's All Coming Back to Me Now 208,148,149
    22 Busta Rhymes & Mariah Carey feat. Flipmode Squad I Know What You Want 207,571,242
    23 Celine Dion The Power of Love 207,344,365
    24 Mariah Carey Obsessed 204,115,895
    25 Celine Dion That's the Way It Is 201,078,502
    26 Whitney Houston How Will I Know 200,293,519
    27 Madonna Vogue 198,694,790
    28 Mariah Carey & Justin Bieber All I Want for Christmas Is You (SuperFestive!) 192,577,643
    29 Madonna Like a Virgin 189,755,134
    30 Whitney Houston I Look to You 189,122,362
    31 Whitney Houston Run to You 180,244,976
    32 Mariah Carey My All 177,619,471
    33 Celine Dion A New Day Has Come 173,362,918
    34 Madonna Material Girl 171,386,746
    35 Mariah Carey I Want to Know What Love Is 161,527,811
    36 Madonna Papa Don't Preach 152,786,702
    37 Celine Dion Pour que tu m'aimes encore 151,375,640
    38 Mariah Carey Fantasy 142,265,421
    39 Mariah Carey feat. Ne-Yo Angels Cry 139,994,636
    40 Mariah Carey feat. Miguel #Beautiful 138,475,331
    41 Celine Dion Because You Loved Me 137,885,919
    42 Celine Dion Ashes 137,842,509
    43 Celine Dion My Heart Will Go On (live) 134,956,305
    44 Celine Dion & Andrea Bocelli The Prayer 126,026,806
    45 Whitney Houston My Love Is Your Love 123,323,435
    46 Madonna Girl Gone Wild 122,607,578
    47 Whitney Houston It's Not Right But It's Okay 118,215,475
    48 Whitney Houston Saving All My Love for You 114,624,186
    49 Luther Vandross & Mariah Carey Endless Love 100,081,888
    50 Mariah Carey Bye Bye 99,989,564
    51 Whitney Houston & Enrique Iglesias Could I Have This Kiss Forever 97,572,062
    52 Madonna Give It 2 Me 97,096,905
    53 Madonna Frozen 96,288,186
    54 Madonna feat. Nicki Minaj & M.I.A. Give Me All Your Luvin' 96,260,982
    55 Madonna & Maluma Medellín 96,016,224
    56 Mariah Carey O Holy Night 89,276,825
    57 Celine Dion All by Myself 88,339,352
    58 Celine Dion Encore un soir 87,939,109
    59 Mariah Carey Shake It Off 84,915,587
    60 Celine Dion I Drove All Night 84,480,881
    61 Mariah Carey Don't Forget About Us 82,725,990
    62 Celine Dion Parler à mon père 80,465,401
    63 Mariah Carey feat. Jay-Z Heartbreaker 77,474,739
    64 Mariah Carey Emotions 73,130,267
    65 Whitney Houston I'm Every Woman 72,717,539
    66 Madonna Living for Love 71,408,366
    67 Madonna Ghosttown 71,366,111
    68 Mariah Carey Honey 71,251,187
    69 Madonna Live to Tell 70,575,386
    70 Madonna Holiday 67,810,528
    71 Mariah Carey It's Like That 67,602,193
    72 Mariah Carey Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 66,727,188
    73 Madonna Celebration 66,257,892
    74 Madonna Into the Groove 65,473,573
    75 Celine Dion & Peabo Bryson Beauty and the Beast 64,312,361
    76 Whitney Houston All the Man That I Need 63,382,046
    77 Mariah Carey feat. Nicki Minaj Up Out My Face 63,282,048
    78 Celine Dion The Power of Love (live) 62,973,190
    79 Mariah Carey Through the Rain 60,870,089
    80 Mariah Carey I Still Believe 59,281,674
    81 Celine Dion Think Twice 58,512,334
    82 Madonna Sorry 58,175,355
    83 Whitney Houston One Moment in Time 57,897,445
    84 Britney Spears feat. Madonna Me Against the Music 56,834,559
    85 Madonna Crazy for You 54,543,018
    86 Celine Dion & the Bee Gees Immortality 53,962,481
    87 Mariah Carey feat. Trey Lorenz I'll Be There 53,369,505
    88 Celine Dion Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 52,949,510
    89 Madonna Music 52,453,786
    90 Mariah Carey Dreamlover 51,919,426
    91 Mariah Carey Vision of Love 50,852,081
    92 Celine Dion I Surrender 48,933,182
    93 Celine Dion Je sais pas 48,414,501
    94 Madonna Don't Tell Me 46,733,770
    95 Mariah Carey Love Takes Time 46,240,872
    96 Madonna Open Your Heart 46,205,118
    97 Whitney Houston Where Do Broken Hearts Go 44,756,395
    98 Celine Dion & R. Kelly I'm Your Angel 44,528,450
    99 Madonna The Power of Good-Bye 44,053,674
    100 Celine Dion Because You Loved Me (live) 44,000,454
    Notes: Mariah dominates proceedings, registering 33 of the top 100 diva tracks, including one of only two billion+ hits. AIWFCIY currently sits at #2, but it could feasibly supplant Whitney's longstanding throne by the end of this festive season (although one would assume IWALY would have enough endurance during the other eleven months of the year to regain it soon enough). Whitney's numbers are disappointing, with only 17 of her hits appearing on this list. As stated earlier, her biggest hits are beyond compare, though - three of the top five, and a #1 that's probably the biggest classic here. Celine has been hard done by - My Heart Will Go On would be a no-brainer for the top three were it afforded an official video upload, and Because You Loved Me would likely place in the top ten as well. 24 hits in total, including a strong showing for her French-language tracks, shows that the love for her remains strong. Madonna ranks second only to Mariah with 27 songs on the list, but - much like Mariah - her numbers seem boosted by being a relevant creator in the streaming era (Bitch I'm Madonna is the most successful of all the 'modern' diva efforts, although Higher Love may have a shot at eventually surpassing it); her classics maybe having a less stellar showing than expected.

    With that in mind, I decided to create one further list. The initial discussion that provoked this investigation was about how successfully these women's legacies have endured as opposed to their ability to create appealing videos and work with relevant collaborators in 2019. Therefore, here's a final list, focusing on the divas' 'legacy' hits by discarding everything that was released after the creation of YouTube in Feb 2005 (I've also ignored the live videos as I can't determine when they're all from). This isn't necessarily fair - it's indisputable that Hung Up and We Belong Together are very much Madonna and Mariah classics - but it provides a useful cut-off for nostalgia purposes, and does a good job of highlighting what the general public probably think of when they hear these names.

    1 Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You 1,148,219,999
    2 Mariah Carey All I Want for Christmas Is You 1,099,074,039
    3 Whitney Houston I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me) 560,907,939
    4 Whitney Houston I Have Nothing 523,486,767
    5 Madonna La Isla Bonita 421,240,708
    6 Mariah Carey Without You 339,245,161
    7 Mariah Carey Hero 332,025,868
    8 Mariah Carey Always Be My Baby 306,850,791
    9 Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey When You Believe 296,507,756
    10 Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men One Sweet Day 251,334,437
    11 Madonna Like a Prayer 246,975,468
    12 Celine Dion I'm Alive 229,588,223
    13 Whitney Houston Greatest Love of All 211,991,612
    14 Celine Dion My Heart Will Go On 211,563,109
    15 Celine Dion It's All Coming Back to Me Now 208,148,149
    16 Busta Rhymes & Mariah Carey feat. Flipmode Squad I Know What You Want 207,571,242
    17 Celine Dion The Power of Love 207,344,365
    18 Celine Dion That's the Way It Is 201,078,502
    19 Whitney Houston How Will I Know 200,293,519
    20 Madonna Vogue 198,694,790
    21 Madonna Like a Virgin 189,755,134
    22 Whitney Houston Run to You 180,244,976
    23 Mariah Carey My All 177,619,471
    24 Celine Dion A New Day Has Come 173,362,918
    25 Madonna Material Girl 171,386,746
    26 Madonna Papa Don't Preach 152,786,702
    27 Celine Dion Pour que tu m'aimes encore 151,375,640
    28 Mariah Carey Fantasy 142,265,421
    29 Celine Dion Because You Loved Me 137,885,919
    30 Celine Dion & Andrea Bocelli The Prayer 126,026,806
    31 Whitney Houston My Love Is Your Love 123,323,435
    32 Whitney Houston It's Not Right But It's Okay 118,215,475
    33 Whitney Houston Saving All My Love for You 114,624,186
    34 Luther Vandross & Mariah Carey Endless Love 100,081,888
    35 Whitney Houston & Enrique Iglesias Could I Have This Kiss Forever 97,572,062
    36 Madonna Frozen 96,288,186
    37 Mariah Carey O Holy Night 89,276,825
    38 Celine Dion All by Myself 88,339,352
    39 Celine Dion I Drove All Night 84,480,881
    40 Mariah Carey feat. Jay-Z Heartbreaker 77,474,739
    41 Mariah Carey Emotions 73,130,267
    42 Whitney Houston I'm Every Woman 72,717,539
    43 Mariah Carey Honey 71,251,187
    44 Madonna Live to Tell 70,575,386
    45 Madonna Holiday 67,810,528
    46 Mariah Carey It's Like That 67,602,193
    47 Mariah Carey Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 66,727,188
    48 Madonna Into the Groove 65,473,573
    49 Celine Dion & Peabo Bryson Beauty and the Beast 64,312,361
    50 Whitney Houston All the Man That I Need 63,382,046
    51 Mariah Carey Through the Rain 60,870,089
    52 Mariah Carey I Still Believe 59,281,674
    53 Celine Dion Think Twice 58,512,334
    54 Whitney Houston One Moment in Time 57,897,445
    55 Britney Spears feat. Madonna Me Against the Music 56,834,559
    56 Madonna Crazy for You 54,543,018
    57 Celine Dion & the Bee Gees Immortality 53,962,481
    58 Mariah Carey feat. Trey Lorenz I'll Be There 53,369,505
    59 Celine Dion Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 52,949,510
    60 Madonna Music 52,453,786
    61 Mariah Carey Dreamlover 51,919,426
    62 Mariah Carey Vision of Love 50,852,081
    63 Celine Dion I Surrender 48,933,182
    64 Celine Dion Je sais pas 48,414,501
    65 Madonna Don't Tell Me 46,733,770
    66 Mariah Carey Love Takes Time 46,240,872
    67 Madonna Open Your Heart 46,205,118
    68 Whitney Houston Where Do Broken Hearts Go 44,756,395
    69 Celine Dion & R. Kelly I'm Your Angel 44,528,450
    70 Madonna The Power of Good-Bye 44,053,674
    71 Madonna True Blue 42,646,607
    72 Whitney Houston Didn't We Almost Have It All 42,592,349
    73 Mariah Carey feat. Westlife Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) 42,091,167
    74 Mariah Carey Butterfly 40,482,454
    75 Madonna Express Yourself 40,435,839
    76 Mariah Carey feat. Krayzie Bone & Wish Bone Breakdown 40,279,408
    77 Mariah Carey Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town 39,899,460
    78 Madonna Justify My Love 39,391,813
    79 Whitney Houston So Emotional 39,365,836
    80 Whitney Houston Try It on My Own 38,826,383
    81 Madonna Borderline 37,568,447
    82 Celine Dion On ne change pas 37,533,185
    83 Whitney Houston Step by Step 36,993,689
    84 Celine Dion To Love You More 36,196,590
    85 Madonna Take a Bow 35,923,983
    86 Mariah Carey feat. ODB Fantasy (remix) 35,883,094
    87 Whitney Houston Exhale (Shoop Shoop) 35,485,112
    88 Whitney Houston I'm Your Baby Tonight 33,485,543
    89 Whitney Houston & George Michael If I Told You That 31,174,746
    90 Mariah Carey feat. Joe & 98 Degrees Thank God I Found You 30,965,938
    91 Whitney Houston feat. Faith Evans & Kelly Price Heartbreak Hotel 30,139,267
    92 Madonna Ray of Light 29,588,579
    93 Celine Dion Goodbye's (The Saddest Word) 28,865,912
    94 Madonna Lucky Star 28,660,930
    95 Whitney Houston I Believe in You and Me 28,113,241
    96 Whitney Houston I Learned from the Best 26,943,091
    97 Mariah Carey I Don't Wanna Cry 26,108,926
    98 Madonna Dress You Up 25,392,730
    99 Madonna Nothing Really Matters 25,276,180
    100 Mariah Carey Silent Night 24,623,722
    Notes: This list provides a far more balanced overview of how the divas have endured, in my opinion. Mariah still leads with 30 entries, but Whitney and Madonna have 25 each, and Celine has 21, which seems a more accurate reflection of the shared status and respect these ladies have.

    ETA: Here's a truncated YouTube era list, because whoever can have too many lists?

    1 Mariah Carey We Belong Together 602,238,948
    2 Madonna feat. Nicki Minaj Bitch I'm Madonna 372,904,841
    3 Madonna Hung Up 306,524,620
    4 Kygo & Whitney Houston Higher Love 299,317,457
    5 Mariah Carey Touch My Body 248,479,662
    6 Madonna feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland 4 Minutes 242,765,953
    7 Mariah Carey Obsessed 204,115,895
    8 Mariah Carey & Justin Bieber All I Want for Christmas Is You (SuperFestive!) 192,577,643
    9 Whitney Houston I Look to You 189,122,362
    10 Mariah Carey I Want to Know What Love Is 161,527,811
    11 Mariah Carey feat. Ne-Yo Angels Cry 139,994,636
    12 Mariah Carey feat. Miguel #Beautiful 138,475,331
    13 Celine Dion Ashes 137,842,509
    14 Madonna Girl Gone Wild 122,607,578
    15 Mariah Carey Bye Bye 99,989,564
    16 Madonna Give It 2 Me 97,096,905
    17 Madonna feat. Nicki Minaj & M.I.A. Give Me All Your Luvin' 96,260,982
    18 Madonna & Maluma Medellín 96,016,224
    19 Celine Dion Encore un soir 87,939,109
    20 Mariah Carey Shake It Off 84,915,587
    21 Mariah Carey Don't Forget About Us 82,725,990
    22 Celine Dion Parler à mon père 80,465,401
    23 Madonna Living for Love 71,408,366
    24 Madonna Ghosttown 71,366,111
    25 Madonna Celebration 66,257,892
    Notes: Mariah and Madonna, clearly, have managed to retain and mobilise their fanbases deep into the streaming era - they both account for ten songs each here (with Mariah landing an astonishing seven of the top 12). Of course, Whitney effectively ceased to be a major chart force before YouTube took over, but it's telling that of the four music videos credited to her since 2005, two of them land in the top ten here. Celine's numbers are perhaps a bit disappointing for a legend of her stature, but her French-language hits seem to fare very well. Let's see if the new album provides any new entries.
    Last edited by bujumbo; Mon November 25th, 2019, 11:31. Reason: Adding a YouTube era list

  • #2
    And the award for flamebait thread of the day goes to...

    It's something that Whitney has the most recent "relevant" hit in Higher Love. Great track and video.

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    • #3
      I think this is a very useful thread actually and it is something that people, including myself, have been wanting to do for a very long time.

      It is good to have the numbers altogether in one place instead of it being in different threads and places.

      Again, I think it would be a healthy contribution to have a few people post updated stats for the divas every so often. A database of sorts.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bm08 View Post
        Again, I think it would be a healthy contribution to have a few people post updated stats for the divas every so often. A database of sorts.
        Each of them already have chart history threads where people post their stats and updates.
        Britney Spears . Michael Jackson . Madonna . Metallica . Radiohead . Led Zeppelin . Oasis . Beyoncé . Soda Stereo

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
          Each of them already have chart history threads where people post their stats and updates.
          Yes, but the point of the database, and potentially this thread, would be to have them in one place - which is what I noted in the sentence before the quote.

          Everyone has Vegas residency stats in their separate threads, for example, but it is just as useful to have a database with all the Vegas stats in one place as well.

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          • #6
            Uneccessary. Especially the second part where he tries to "equal" the divas. It ain't Mariah's or Madonna's fault they managed to remain more relevant in the song charts way past Celine and Whitney.

            Also all these divas have certain handicaps and boosts others don't so without taking all of that into account this is still wildy incomplete.
            I have received many gifts from God,
            but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
            .

            Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bm08
              Everyone has Vegas residency stats in their separate threads, for example, but it is just as useful to have a database with all the Vegas stats in one place as well.
              There's already a Vegas thread where collective stats for everyone are posted in one place:

              https://www.ukmix.org/showthread.php...0-2019)/page24
              Britney Spears . Michael Jackson . Madonna . Metallica . Radiohead . Led Zeppelin . Oasis . Beyoncé . Soda Stereo

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              • #8
                The four women generally considered the bestselling of all-time in terms of raw record sales

                No,in terms of raw record sales,Rihanna and some younger Divassold more expect Madonna,as for album sales。Barbra is top3
                BARBRA
                ?Mom of Divas
                ?2Osc+  10Gram+  5Em+  Tony 
                ?Best-selling ? Artist
                ?Biggest Box office Actress
                ?Only Artist No.1 in 7 Decades
                ?1st Osc? Composer

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                • #9
                  Oh dear, I have absolutely no intention of inciting any stan riots, genuinely. Sorry if this has been misinterpreted, I just found myself caught up in the data (my OCD tripped out for a good few hours) and wished to share it somewhere appropriate. I've never been on these forums before. Again, sorry, I really have no vested interest here and was just interested in sharing findings. I appreciate that a lot of this is probably redundant.

                  Originally posted by WEBofDESIRE View Post
                  It's something that Whitney has the most recent "relevant" hit in Higher Love. Great track and video.
                  Agreed!


                  Originally posted by bm08 View Post
                  I think this is a very useful thread actually and it is something that people, including myself, have been wanting to do for a very long time.

                  It is good to have the numbers altogether in one place instead of it being in different threads and places.

                  Again, I think it would be a healthy contribution to have a few people post updated stats for the divas every so often. A database of sorts.
                  Thanks for this. I'd be willing to update this every few months or so, actually.

                  Originally posted by beredy View Post
                  Uneccessary. Especially the second part where he tries to "equal" the divas. It ain't Mariah's or Madonna's fault they managed to remain more relevant in the song charts way past Celine and Whitney.

                  Also all these divas have certain handicaps and boosts others don't so without taking all of that into account this is still wildy incomplete.
                  Again, there was no ulterior motives behind 'equalising' the divas. I personally think there's a distinction between the digital/streaming era and the physical sales era, and it's interesting to draw a line and see a list composed entirely of their 'classic' hits IMO, and I think the streaming success of those earlier hits should probably be measured by a different standard than the more contemporary efforts. Mariah and Madonna come out well on both lists, regardless, so I don't see what the problem is. Fwiw, I'll edit the original post to reflect how those two have transitioned better into the current era.

                  And I agree that all divas have certain handicaps and boosts that others don't, and I agree that these lists don't take that into account. I believe I stated as much from the outset. This isn't intended to be some sort of definitive list, but I think it gives a very basic overview as to how well they're doing in the present day and which of their hits have transcended time best. That's all.


                  Originally posted by CelinetoBarbra View Post
                  The four women generally considered the bestselling of all-time in terms of raw record sales

                  No,in terms of raw record sales,Rihanna and some younger Divassold more expect Madonna,as for album sales。Barbra is top3
                  By 'raw' sales, I meant physical sales, forgive my wording. Is Rihanna really up there in terms of physical sales given that she's a digital behemoth? Barbra's sales don't quite match the others according to the Wikipedia list (I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with more accurate lists if they exist?). I'm also sure that her streaming numbers wouldn't really be comparable to the other four at all. You chose to ignore a key part of my post where I stated the other reason why I put these particular divas under the spotlight was because they were contemporaries. That in itself excludes Rihanna and Barbra from this particular conversation, imo, but there's certainly room for them in another I'm sure.

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                  • #10
                    Why did you shade the hell out of Janet?

                    I think Celine gets a lot of views for her live videos because she's really the best and most consistent as a live vocal performer, no doubt. She has the bigger draw when it comes to audience and live performances. Prior to Madonna's Superbowl, she was pretty much ahead of the pack, but she is consistently suffering from bad press each time, and her hits haven't held up in streaming the way it would have done years ago (had streaming been available). Mariah's catalog is the one that touches base with a bigger (and younger demographic), Sony has done a great job in terms of having all her music videos available and celebrated online, Mariah's team is also very active in promoting her back catalog as well. Sadly, Whitney's death made people appreciate her more, it's sad that the tragedy had to happen for people to reminisce her greatness.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
                      There's already a Vegas thread where collective stats for everyone are posted in one place:

                      https://www.ukmix.org/showthread.php...0-2019)/page24
                      This is...exactly. My point.

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                      • #12
                        this is really cool [MENTION=94238]bujumbo[/MENTION]
                        Mimi streaming Queen
                        also [MENTION=35558]bm08[/MENTION] i have no problem to update this list once in a while if enough people care

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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GetBack View Post
                            Why did you shade the hell out of Janet?

                            I think Celine gets a lot of views for her live videos because she's really the best and most consistent as a live vocal performer, no doubt. She has the bigger draw when it comes to audience and live performances. Prior to Madonna's Superbowl, she was pretty much ahead of the pack, but she is consistently suffering from bad press each time, and her hits haven't held up in streaming the way it would have done years ago (had streaming been available). Mariah's catalog is the one that touches base with a bigger (and younger demographic), Sony has done a great job in terms of having all her music videos available and celebrated online, Mariah's team is also very active in promoting her back catalog as well. Sadly, Whitney's death made people appreciate her more, it's sad that the tragedy had to happen for people to reminisce her greatness.
                            Did not mean to shade Miss Jackson at all. Fwiw, I like Janet a lot (she'd be my #3 if I were to include her in a group of five 80s/90s divas, behind Whitney and Madonna). I wanted to include her, but her streaming numbers simply do not compare to the other four, so I actually think I'm being respectful by not comparing her tbh, seeing as she'd come out terribly unfavourably!

                            I don't agree that Celine is the best as a live performer, but she's certainly incredibly consistent and the only one of these four whose present-day vocals are a worthy successor to her heyday. Honestly, I think her live video views have been a little inflated by the lack of official videos - at least when it comes to MHWGO and BYLM.

                            I agree that Madonna's stock has fallen considerably since the Superbowl. I think it was on the decline prior to that, but Whitney's death and subsequent reevaluation, as well as Mariah's reinvention as the festive Queen has probably seen her slip behind her contemporaries a little in terms of public regard nowadays. Still, she's probably objectively the greatest female pop star ever, and I'm sure history will eventually come to regard her as such. That she doesn't have a perennial classic in the vein of 'I Will Always Love You', 'All I Want for Christmas Is You', or 'My Heart Will Go On' is what hurts her in this era, I think.

                            Originally posted by Goodyni View Post
                            I'm Alive - first place, interesting...
                            There's no way that 'My Heart Will Go On' and 'Because You Loved Me' wouldn't be Celine's #1 and #2 were it not for the absence of official Youtube videos - the numbers listed for both here are for Spotify streams alone. I find her team's decision to not upload these videos completely baffling. The other divas have been far more savvy in getting their classic hits out there for the younger generations to consume. 'My Heart Will Go On', especially, would almost certainly be the #3 diva hit behind IWALY and AWIFCIY, if only it had Youtube numbers to measure. I could, of course, take into account numbers for 'unofficial' videos, but to undergo such a task would be time-consuming and self-defeating (it's impossible to keep track of all unofficial videos for all songs for all divas) - thus, I had to set some clear, respectable parameters and opted for the Youtube/Spotify combination.

                            All that said, and taking into account the missing videos for her two most popular hits, I'm surprised that 'I'm Alive' has ended up as Celine's #1. I'd definitely have expected either 'It's All Coming Back to Me Now' and 'The Power of Love' (which have videos uploaded onto her official Youtube account) to have placed ahead!

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                            • #15
                              Fwiw, I will probably update these lists quarterly, time permitting. It'll be interesting to see just how Mariah's numbers change after this festive season!

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                              • #16
                                it doesn't make sense that you don't add the live versions for my heart will go on and because you loved me to the totals of celine...

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