Italian charts archive

[SimoneMJJ]

Strange, because Billboard Magazine published from 1996 in its "Hits of the World" section the source "Musica e Dischi/Fimi... But few MD peaks are known and they didn t match with those in Billboard, so it was probably the FIMI chart... Example is "Un Dos Tres (Maria) single by Ricky Martin... MD peak is no. 5 and there was a higher peak according to Billboard source... Maybe FIMI?

In 1996, Billboard used FIMI for the albums and M&D for the singles. For this reason is written Musica e Dischi / FIMI.

[marcoferrari]

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In 1996, Billboard used FIMI for the albums and M&D for the singles. For this reason is written Musica e Dischi / FIMI.[/quote]

Ok, thanks for explanation...

[me]

List of italian charts on Billboard

1) before 1960: no italian charts
2) 04/04/1960 until 15/11/1969: Musica&Dischi
3) 22/11/1969 until 16/12/1972: Discografia Internazionale
4) 23/12/1972 until 18/05/1974: no italian charts
5) 25/05/1974 until 28/05/1988: Germano Ruscitto
6) 11/06/1988 until 18/03/1995: Musica&Dischi
7) 25/03/1995 until 24/06/2000: Musica&Dischi (Singles) - FIMI (Albums)
8) 01/07/2000 until now (2015): FIMI

[SimoneMJJ]

8) 01/07/2000 until now (2015): FIMI

Billboard doesn't use FIMI for the singles since FIMI began to use the GfK data. Since then, Billboard uses Nielsen SoundScan International.

[me]

8) 01/07/2000 until now (2015): FIMI

Billboard doesn't use FIMI for the singles since FIMI began to use the GfK data. Since then, Billboard uses Nielsen SoundScan International.

Yes, you are right. From october 2011 Singles are from Nielsen Soundscan and only Albums from Fimi/GFK

[marcoferrari]

8) 01/07/2000 until now (2015): FIMI

Billboard doesn't use FIMI for the singles since FIMI began to use the GfK data. Since then, Billboard uses Nielsen SoundScan International.

Hello. And when was the FIMI singles chart introduced at first? In early 1997 or even earlier? Thanks in advance.

[babyboy]

Do u have mariah carey albums and singles chart runs in Italy?
Thanks

[SimoneMJJ]

8) 01/07/2000 until now (2015): FIMI

Billboard doesn't use FIMI for the singles since FIMI began to use the GfK data. Since then, Billboard uses Nielsen SoundScan International.

Hello. And when was the FIMI singles chart introduced at first? In early 1997 or even earlier? Thanks in advance.

Physical singles chart was active from February 1997 to December 2007. Digital songs chart is active since April 2006.

[elfusto]

For Italian Readers...
There is a new book about italian singles charts available.
You can find more information on the following website: www.unificato.it
In the homepage you will find the book called "Mezzo secolo di ritornelli".
Clicking on it you will find a page with a complete description (in italian) and a free preview of 15 pages.

[ICELANDIC]

Does anyone know where can i check italian archives from the 90's?
Did SERGIO DALMA - BALLARE STRETTI chart here??

thanks

[marcoferrari]

So, the official singles chart of Italy started in February 1997 with FIMI? Or just from January 2000? Thanks.

[SimoneMJJ]

So, the official singles chart of Italy started in February 1997 with FIMI? Or just from January 2000? Thanks.

The term "official" with the Italian charts is full of debates. This because in the '90s and '00s newspapers, TVs and magazines still didn't used an only chart as happens today. For example, in 2008, many media (including chart tv/radio shows) still quoted M&D Musica e Dischi charts.

About FIMI, Physical singles chart was active from February 1997 to January 2008. Top Digital is active since April 2006.

[marcoferrari]

So, the official singles chart of Italy started in February 1997 with FIMI? Or just from January 2000? Thanks.

The term "official" with the Italian charts is full of debates. This because in the '90s and '00s newspapers, TVs and magazines still didn't used an only chart as happens today. For example, in 2008, many media (including chart tv/radio shows) still quoted M&D Musica e Dischi charts.

About FIMI, Physical singles chart was active from February 1997 to January 2008. Top Digital is active since April 2006.

But do you know, why the italian chart website lists the FIMI charts only from January 2000? I read somewhere that the first years of FIMI were a mess... And there are huge differences in charted songs... For example "Barrel Of A Gun" by Depeche Mode reached no. 1 on FIMI charts, but it didn t even crack the top 10 on Musica e Dischi... Were both based on sale reports?

[SimoneMJJ]

So, the official singles chart of Italy started in February 1997 with FIMI? Or just from January 2000? Thanks.

The term "official" with the Italian charts is full of debates. This because in the '90s and '00s newspapers, TVs and magazines still didn't used an only chart as happens today. For example, in 2008, many media (including chart tv/radio shows) still quoted M&D Musica e Dischi charts.

About FIMI, Physical singles chart was active from February 1997 to January 2008. Top Digital is active since April 2006.

But do you know, why the italian chart website lists the FIMI charts only from January 2000? I read somewhere that the first years of FIMI were a mess... And there are huge differences in charted songs... For example "Barrel Of A Gun" by Depeche Mode reached no. 1 on FIMI charts, but it didn t even crack the top 10 on Musica e Dischi... Were both based on sale reports?

Because Hung Medien didn't have the rights to publish the FIMI charts before 2000. Hung Medien pays the various federations to have those archives (italiancharts.com, australian-charts.com, etc.)

It's not a mess. Simply, FIMI used a different sample of shops and a different methodology. Today FIMI covers 3,500 shops on a total of 5,000, but at the time, FIMI covered 125 shops. It's a big difference, expecially in the singles market. In fact, the Italian singles charts were always very different between them since the '60s. Contrariwise, the Italian albums charts were similar.

[CatoFur]

It seems that Italy was / is a bit like France when it comes to charts: lots of different magazines publishing their own chart.

But I am still confused.

If M&D started publishing in 1960 (and I have the book), TV (S&E) in 1963 and RAI in 1967, where do the chart listings pre-1963 on the HPI website that are NOT from M&D actually come from?

Anyone know?

[SimoneMJJ]

It seems that Italy was / is a bit like France when it comes to charts: lots of different magazines publishing their own chart.

But I am still confused.

If M&D started publishing in 1960 (and I have the book), TV (S&E) in 1963 and RAI in 1967, where do the chart listings pre-1963 on the HPI website that are NOT from M&D actually come from?

Anyone know?

S&C, not S&E
However, the charts that you mentioned are the biggest, but not the only. An example is Il Musichiere, that started to publish its charts in 1959 and is often cited as the very first Italian weekly chart.

[morganaeuropa]

Hello Catofour
thank you for your good work on older french chart. The 1957 and 1958 italian hitlists from HPI are taken from Musica & Dischi as well (not the regular weekly service, begun in 1960 as result of an agreement with Billboard, but the proper monthly survey) also considering the list of the most played records by a RAI popular program called Il Discobolo. From January 8 1959 till January 13 1961 the main retail source was the magazine Il Musichiere , as well as the Weekly TOP 20-Top 15 from Musica & Dischi for Billboard, but not the only one : I can remember Il Disco, a monthly magazine active from 1959 to 1969 ,Teletutto, a radio-tv schedules paper including a weekly top 10 and monthly Settenote which was linked to Sorrisi & Canzoni proposing a double chart, national and regional. Ciao
Morganaeuropa

[CatoFur]

Hi Morganeuropa

More of those French charts still to come. Thanks for the information on tbe early Italian charts. I have the M&D book (A Guinness / Whitburn type of book) and I see that books for the TV (S&C) and RAI lists, but how / where can one find the earlier M&D listings (pre-1960) or those for Il Musichiere? I would like to build a picture of the late fifties / early sixties for Italy but I don't really like the HPI charts for two reasons: (1) it is not a "real" chart that existed at the time and (2) it does not give dates, only years.

Grazie

[1000MHz]

Does anyone know why Hit Parade Italia contradicts itself? For example, the single "E dimmi che non vuoi morire" by Patty Pravo apparently reached no. 2, but elsewhere on the site, weekly charts indicate that it only got to no. 4. Please compare:
http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/schede...uoi_morire.htm
http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/hp_weeks/97/hp970301.htm

There are many, many more examples of songs and albums like that. This lack of consistency is frustrating, especially for wikipedians. If anyone knows where HPI sources the data from, I'd be very grateful, as it appears to be neither from FIMI nor from Musica e Dischi.

[Passing_Stranger]

Does anyone know why Hit Parade Italia contradicts itself?

I wouldn't use that site for chart numbers. It's not clear where they get their chart positions, and they're all over the place. Sometimes they match the main charts (M&D, S&C, RAI), sometimes they give chart positions to songs that didn't chart on those three at all. As for their Top 20s, the sources are not even explained clearly. I'd use it as a source for songs they may have charted on one or several Italian charts - but nothing else.

[1000MHz]

Very interesting article about Italian music charts in "Billboard" (1993).
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...AAMBAJ&pg=PA44

[borderwolf]

Thanks!

[me]

Does anyone know why Hit Parade Italia contradicts itself? For example, the single "E dimmi che non vuoi morire" by Patty Pravo apparently reached no. 2, but elsewhere on the site, weekly charts indicate that it only got to no. 4. Please compare:
http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/schede...uoi_morire.htm
http://www.hitparadeitalia.it/hp_weeks/97/hp970301.htm

There are many, many more examples of songs and albums like that. This lack of consistency is frustrating, especially for wikipedians. If anyone knows where HPI sources the data from, I'd be very grateful, as it appears to be neither from FIMI nor from Musica e Dischi.

The charts of Hitparadeitalia are an average between all the charts available in Italy. It means 3-4 or also 10 different charts in the late sixties.
The first link (...schede...) is written by an external contributor and the position in the chart isn't the position in hitparadeitalia chart. Probably is the position in "hitparade" from RAI.

[Cassidd]

Can anyone provide me with the Stephen Stills solo albums/singles chart positions?

[Cassidd]

The charts of Hitparadeitalia are an average between all the charts available in Italy. It means 3-4 or also 10 different charts in the late sixties.
The first link (...schede...) is written by an external contributor and the position in the chart isn't the position in hitparadeitalia chart. Probably is the position in "hitparade" from RAI.

Hi Me,
Do you know when your website http://www.italycharts.com/ will go live?
Im particularly interested in the Chart positions of Stephen Stills.
Thanks!