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  • #61
    I have an iTunes/chart related question so I thought I would ask it here.

    I bought, for example, Cher Lloyds song Swagger Jagger a few months ago on iTunes.

    Now if I buy the rest of her 'Sticks & Stones' album as a 'complete my album' purchase (ie. now buy all songs except Swagger Jagger), will this count as a sale of her ALBUM, or a sale or individual tracks?

    Would be interested to know the answer!

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    • #62
      I think it will count as 1 to the album total but 1 will be subtracted from the single sales.
      101 Albums | 501 Songs

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      • #63
        I have a question!

        Why gold certificates in the US and the world as a whole are half of platinum, althought from half a year price of gold is even more expensive?

        In the UK even triple for albums!!!

        100K GOLD vs 300K Platinum

        24.11.11


        Platinum
        1552 US Dollar per ounce

        Gold
        1699 US Dollar per ounce

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        • #64
          WHAT IS THE ROLLING EFFECT???

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          • #65
            Originally posted by jpguy
            WHAT IS THE ROLLING EFFECT???
            On the gold?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by jpguy
              WHAT IS THE ROLLING EFFECT???
              It's big decreases in the daily airplay audience figures after the big first week increases which were based on the deal between artist's label and radios.

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              • #67
                I have question album tracks and singles sales are counted separated or not? I bought, for example single Rolling in The Deep on iTunes and somebody else bought the same song from album - album track.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by floria
                  Originally posted by jpguy
                  WHAT IS THE ROLLING EFFECT???
                  On the gold?
                  this cracked me up so much i almost puked.

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                  • #69
                    Records sales from artist site is counted to total sales or not?

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                    • #70
                      If i bought on iTunes records and i will pay by gift card then that records will be chart eligible?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by sonia85
                        If i bought on iTunes records and i will pay by gift card then that records will be chart eligible?
                        Sure.

                        People pay for those gift cards, so it's not like you would get those songs you bought via a gift card for free.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by truthless
                          Originally posted by sonia85
                          If i bought on iTunes records and i will pay by gift card then that records will be chart eligible?
                          Sure.

                          People pay for those gift cards, so it's not like you would get those songs you bought via a gift card for free.
                          thx

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                          • #73
                            I'm not sure this qualifies as frequently asked, but I'm going to ask anyway;

                            It appears these days that the announcement of a new single is enough for many to scuttle off to iTunes to download whatever version of the track they can find.

                            There are instances where the single release includes a featured artist that the album track doesn't, so we have occasions where a track is chart listed with a featured artist before it's even available. A recent example that springs to mind is Worry About You by Tyler James featuring Kano, which was released on 15th February, so could only, really, possibly have charted w/e 23rd February. However, it entered the chart w/e 09 February at #183 and climbed to #52 the following week, from what could only have been sales of the track from Tyler James' album, A Place I Go, which does not feature Kano and is more than half a minute shorter in duration.

                            Now, I can accept multiple variants on a track being combined into one for sales purposes (albeit I believe sales of an EP or Remixes bundle should only count as one sale, equivalent to an old fashioned multi-track CD Single - remember them?), but surely tracks should be correctly listed on the official charts, even if the catalogue number used is the same?

                            To my mind, at least,
                            • 09 Feb #183 Tyler James - Worry About You
                              16 Feb #052 Tyler James - Worry About You
                              23 Feb #055 Tyler James ft Kano - Worry About You
                              02 Mar #038 Tyler James ft Kano - Worry About You

                            is correct. What would happen if, under the existing system, after the second week the track dropped out of the chart? Kano would forever be credited with an appearance in the chart for a track which he didn't appear on!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by seattleboy
                              Charts

                              What is the Billboard (US) Internet Album Chart based on?
                              It's based sales from internet retailers that are counted by Soundscan (e.g Amazon)

                              In the US, what are audience impressions?
                              Audience impressions are the amount of people listening per week at all the radio stations across the country. The US Billboard singles charts are made up of airplay *and* single/digital sales, so audience impressions are used.

                              In Brazil, is the chart site Hot 100 Brasil official?
                              No, it's completely fabricated.


                              Is the Billboard Rock Album Chart based on total sales or from sales from specialist rock music shops?
                              Data for Billboard's sales charts -- which include all of our album charts -- are compiled by Nielsen SoundScan from a universe of merchants that represents more than 90% of the U.S. music retail market. The sample includes not only music stores and the music departments at electronics and department stores, but also direct-to-consumer transactions and Internet sales (both physical albums via Internet, and ones bought via digital downloads). A limited array of verifiable sales from concert venues is also tabulated.

                              All sales charts use the entire Nielsen SoundScan panel, with the exception of the R&B/Hip-Hop charts which uses a panel of core stores that specialize in the genre. The Nielsen SoundScan system utilizes that same point-of-sale that music merchants use to track their inventory, so you can think of itemized receipt from your last trip to the music store as a ballot cast for our charts. (From Billboard)


                              Do music video sales count towards a songs total?

                              In the US, music video sales from legal download outlets are not counted in a songs total and do not help a song on the Billboard charts.
                              I read this but I still have several questions.

                              What about some live albums that also have the DVD counterpart (such as Led Zeppelin's The Song Remains The Same). Does the reported SoundScan total of this album (150,000 as of January 2013) include sales of the DVD and Blu-ray editions, or only the CD edition?

                              Does the SoundScan total of an artist (such as the 64 mil. figure for the Beatles) include sales of digital albums and singles? What about physical singles?

                              Does all SoundScan data include sales of both the US and Canada?

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                              • #75
                                Any thoughts?

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by EVH

                                  Does the SoundScan total of an artist (such as the 64 mil. figure for the Beatles) include sales of digital albums and singles? What about physical singles?
                                  Only albums.

                                  Originally posted by EVH
                                  Does all SoundScan data include sales of both the US and Canada?
                                  Only US.

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                                  • #77
                                    Thanks.
                                    Originally posted by Lioha
                                    Only albums.
                                    Only physical albums?

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by EVH
                                      Thanks.
                                      Originally posted by Lioha
                                      Only albums.
                                      Only physical albums?
                                      Both physical and digital.

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                                      • #79
                                        Where can i find the whole Billboard 200 (only the positions) week by week from 2003 on? Ultimate Music Database seems to be outta work

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                                        • #80
                                          Can y'all give me the top 10 of best selling albums of 2013 so far WW, with number of copies sold!

                                          Thanks

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                                          • #81
                                            HOT STUFF

                                            Jack Adams @jackzakalump

                                            @gthot20 How does the Hot 100's point system work?

                                            Hi Jack,

                                            With Miley Cyrus at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with "Wrecking Ball," a song with some of the greatest buzz for a video in quite a while, it seems like a good time for a refresher on how the Hot 100 is tabulated, doesn't it?

                                            As we wrote in January when YouTube data was added to the Hot 100's equation: "Generally speaking, our Hot 100 formula targets a ratio of sales (35-45%), airplay (30-40%) and streaming (20-30%)."

                                            Of course, that's an overall target for 100 songs each week. That mark can change week-to-week. This week, though, the Hot 100 breaks down in line with the formula's intent: sales, 39%; airplay, 34%; and, streaming, 27%.

                                            And, week-to-week, some songs show largely along those percentages, while others skew noticeably toward any of the chart's three metrics.

                                            Let's look at a few, starting with "Wrecking Ball."

                                            This week, points for the Hot 100's leader stem 50% from streaming, 43% from sales and just 7% from radio airplay. No surprise: the song drew a whopping 14.3 million U.S. streams in the chart's tracking week, according to Nielsen BDS. (The No. 2-streamed song, Katy Perry's "Roar," garnered 7.3 million.) "Ball" ranks at No. 3 on Digital Songs with 301,000 downloads sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Conversely, as airplay for "Ball" is just beginning, its low Hot 100 points percentage reflects its No. 31 spot on Radio Songs (via 38 million all-format audience impressions, according to BDS).

                                            Last week, which reflected the first week of streaming following the song's video premiere, the Hot 100 ratio for "Ball" was even more streaming-driven: 64%, streaming; 34%, sales; 2%, airplay. The cut's monster 36.5 million U.S. streams in the chart's tracking period produced the high percentage.


                                            Perry's new digital single "Dark Horse," featuring Juicy J, meanwhile, has been released as a teaser track from her album "Prism," due Oct. 22. It's not being promoted to radio and has no official videoclip. Thus, as it debuts on the Hot 100 at No. 17, an almost monopolizing 99% of its points are from sales; it sold 194,000 downloads in its opening week, good for a No. 4 start on the Digital Songs chart.

                                            The more established "Roar" (No. 2 on the Hot 100), which has been promoted to radio for close to two months and has been accepted at mainstream and adult top 40 and adult contemporary, lines up much closer to the Hot 100's average ratio: 43%, sales; 31%, airplay; 26%, streaming. It's No. 1 on Radio Songs (159 million) and No. 2 on Digital Songs (301,000) and Streaming Songs (7.3 million).

                                            Another hit, like Cyrus', due mostly to streaming, and even more so? Ylvis' novelty track "The Fox," which makes tracks running 25-13 as the Hot 100's top Streaming Gainer this week. With it at No. 3 on Streaming Songs (7.1 million), 75% of its Hot 100 points are from streams. Almost the rest of its sum is from sales; it debuts at No. 22 on Digital Songs with 60,000 in its first week. The song sports almost no airplay, although that could change now that Warner Bros. has begun promoting it to pop radio.

                                            And, a song driven largely by airplay? Maroon 5's "Love Somebody," at No. 26 after peaking at No. 10, shows 67% of its points thanks to radio, with 19% from sales and 13% from streaming. As a fourth single from an album that's been available for a year, it's logical that sales and streaming lag behind the song's activity at radio, with the band a consistent presence at pop and adult formats long after the buzz of an album release. It ranks at No. 11 on Radio Songs and No. 59 on Digital Songs (while ranking just inside the 100 most streamed songs of the week).
                                            KUBA'S CHART

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                                            • #82
                                              accessible here:
                                              http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... t-100-work

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                                              • #83
                                                it's kinda weird they don't use (??) fix-ratio, it can vary week to week.

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                                                • #84
                                                  Originally posted by tada
                                                  it's kinda weird they don't use (??) fix-ratio, it can vary week to week.

                                                  yeah, i thought it is based on one strict formula not "from x to y"
                                                  KUBA'S CHART

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                                                  • #85
                                                    I've *stolen* this - there's loads of queries around "instant grats" at UKMIX, so thanks to *Bré over at Buzzjack, here are some FAQ's around "instant grats"...

                                                    1. What is an 'instant grat'?

                                                    On iTunes, almost all albums are added as a pre-order a couple of weeks to a couple of months before release. (Why this is when digital albums have infinite stock is a different matter, but that's just the way it is). In an increasingly popular trend, many artists make songs available to download off the album tracklist before the album comes out - these songs are not given a 'single release', it's just like cherrypicking but a bit early. This song will automatically download when you pre-order the album and is thus called an 'instant grat' (short for 'gratification'). Sometimes more than one song is available as an instant grat from the same album.

                                                    2. What are the chart rules regarding instant grats?

                                                    Before the start of this year, no instant grats were allowed to chart at all. This led to awkward situations like Coldplay's 'Paradise' being excluded from the chart for six weeks when it would have been comfortably top 40. The OCC were prompted to change their mind when David Bowie's 'Where Are We Now?' was looking like a #1 contender that could have been excluded from the chart. (In the event, it ended up at only #6, but that's besides the point). However, the rules have only changed for when there is ONE instant grat track from an album. If there is more than one, only one of those tracks will be able to chart. This is usually the first one to be made available but is officially the one that the record label 'nominate' as the one chart eligible instant grat.

                                                    3. But wait, these are free downloads, surely they should be ineligible?!

                                                    This is a common misconception. Instant grats are not free at all - if you pre-order an album with an instant grat attached, it will immediately charge you 99p (or £1.98 or £2.97 etc. depending on how many tracks there are) for the instant grat track and the rest will just be charged when the album comes out. In addition, these songs *can* be downloaded separately without pre-ordering the entire album.

                                                    4. But if they can be downloaded separately, why can't all instant grats chart? Can't they just only count the separate sales?

                                                    Well, theoretically they can, but the leading theory is that they are just too lazy to chase Apple down for the split sales info. It's easier for them to just exclude songs entirely than only count some of their sales. (This isn't a problem for when there's only one instant grat because in this case album pre-orders are counted as sales for the songs).

                                                    5. If they charge 99p for the instant grat and then the rest of the album later, isn't that the same as just buying the album?

                                                    It is, yes, but by the same logic purchasing a pre-album single that isn't an instant grat and then taking advantage of the 'Complete My Album' feature means you didn't technically buy the single at all. Just because it's automated doesn't make it any different.

                                                    6. Aren't single sales deducted from their total when 'Complete My Album' is used?

                                                    This does happen in other countries (leading to the hilarious week where Taylor Swift sold -83,000 copies of 'We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together' in the USA) but as far as observational evidence shows, the OCC does not deduct single sales for the use of 'Complete My Album'. This might just be another case of them being lazy.

                                                    7. So how come only certain artists are restricted to one single charting and others aren't? If Lady Gaga is only allowed to chart with 'Applause', then how come One Direction are allowed in with both 'Best Song Ever' and 'Story Of My Life'?

                                                    Whether or not more than one song can chart depends on how the record label goes about distributing pre-album singles and promo tracks. Lady Gaga did not release any 'singles' prior to the release of 'ARTPOP' - 'Applause', 'Do What U Want' and 'Venus' were all released as instant grats so only one of those ('Applause') is allowed to chart as per OCC rules. However, One Direction released 'Best Song Ever' as a single (well, an EP, but same thing) separate from the pre-order for 'Midnight Memories', then made 'Story Of My Life' available as an instant grat. This means both are allowed to chart. If 1D add any more instant grats to the 'Midnight Memories' pre-order than they will not be eligible to chart, unless the label decides to nominate them as the single instant grat instead of 'Story Of My Life' (which would lead to the hilarious situation of 'Story Of My Life' disappearing from the chart, possibly from #1. MAKE IT HAPPEN).

                                                    8. So will these other instant grat songs never be allowed to chart?

                                                    Instant grats will only ever be chart ineligible while they are still instant grats. As soon as the album they're attached to is released they will become eligible for the chart. This might mean they'll end up with a much lower peak than they may otherwise have managed (for example Katy Perry's 'Walking On Air' entered the chart at #80 when it would have been at least top 40 with ease had it been previously eligible), but from that point onwards there's nothing to be confused about.

                                                    9. Are their sales still tracked while they're ineligible?

                                                    Apparently, yes. Music Week revealed the sales for Lady Gaga's 'Do What U Want' in its first week of availability as a chart ineligible instant grat, so it does appear that the OCC track their sales but just don't allow the songs to chart.

                                                    10. Does this mean those sales will be added onto its official total even though they were 'ineligible sales'?

                                                    This remains unclear but it seems the answer to that is no. Chart ineligible sales do not seem to ever count towards a song's official total sales. (If they did Coldplay's 'Paradise' will be becoming a million seller soon - I'm just gonna go ahead and pretend it is one anyway regardless of what the OCC say).

                                                    11. Okay now I'm just confused. Eminem DID release singles and he DID chart, but now he's suddenly ineligible? What's up with that?

                                                    In this particular case, the OCC's rules are showing how ridiculous they can sometimes be. Eminem did not put up a pre-order for his album 'The Marshall Mathers LP 2' until one week before its release. Three singles were released from the album before this - they were all separate single releases and therefore all of them were eligible to chart. However, when he put up the album pre-order, all of the singles were deleted from iTunes and all three - as well as a new track, 'The Monster' - were added as instant grats instead. As such, all 3 will now be excluded from the chart until the album release (which will incidentally be exactly one week, meaning 'Berzerk', 'Rap God' and 'Survival' will have a one week gap in their chart runs where they vanished from the entire top 200 before suddenly returning almost back where they were before. That'll be a fun one to explain to people in the future looking back at the charts of October/November 2013). 'The Monster' is the new 'nominated' instant grat song so is able to chart.

                                                    12. Is anything going to be done about this?

                                                    Sadly it appears the answer is no. We'll just have to hope that record labels realise these are the rules and stop releasing in ways that make tracks ineligible. Or, yanno, hope that they don't change at all, if you're someone who'd rather not see 4 Eminem songs in the top 40. But that's a different matter.
                                                    Please note that this is for UK charts only and US rules differ.

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                                                    • #86
                                                      Originally posted by seattleboy
                                                      Originally posted by Rell
                                                      What about before?
                                                      Before 1989 (I think?)
                                                      Platinum = 2,000,000
                                                      Gold = 1,000,000

                                                      Digital Downloads (2004-2006)
                                                      Platinum = 200,000
                                                      Gold = 100,000
                                                      And if we have a single (for example "Too Hot" by Kool And The Gang), which was released in 1979, but certified as gold only in May 1989, it is for shipment 500 000 copies? What about "Crocodile Rock" by Elton - certified as gold (1 000 000) already in 70s, but later updated to Platinum certification, but only after January 89... It means the shipment figure is still 1 000 000? Thanks.

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                                                      • #87
                                                        Originally posted by marcoferrari
                                                        Originally posted by seattleboy
                                                        Originally posted by Rell
                                                        What about before?
                                                        Before 1989 (I think?)
                                                        Platinum = 2,000,000
                                                        Gold = 1,000,000

                                                        Digital Downloads (2004-2006)
                                                        Platinum = 200,000
                                                        Gold = 100,000
                                                        And if we have a single (for example "Too Hot" by Kool And The Gang), which was released in 1979, but certified as gold only in May 1989, it is for shipment 500 000 copies? What about "Crocodile Rock" by Elton - certified as gold (1 000 000) already in 70s, but later updated to Platinum certification, but only after January 89... It means the shipment figure is still 1 000 000? Thanks.
                                                        Every physical single certified Gold after 1 january 1989 means 500,000 copies net-shipped, and Platinum after 1 january 1989 means likewise always 1,000,000 copies net-shipped

                                                        If a single certified Gold before January 1989 doesn't get a new Platinum award (like several Elton John and Kool & The Gang singles) then it's net-shipment was not 1-million and so it was not upgraded and must be considered a 500,000 seller.

                                                        Before january 1989 the certifications were based in gross shipments and the label would get the Gold award before the returns came in and that's why many years later, when the returns are obviously already known, those old Gold are not new Platinum.

                                                        One example is Michael Jackson's "I just can't stop loving you", it was Gold in 1987 but when Epic upgraded all MJ singles in 1989 the single "I just can't stop loving you" was not upgraded to platinum and this means its returns brought its net-shipments to below 1m copies and so it must considered a 500,000 certified seller.

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                                                        • #88
                                                          a little note about albums (not singles) just for info :
                                                          awards were also given when the albums met "manufacturer's dollar volume" at a certain percentage of the suggested selling price depending on the award (still going on now) . Some albums might have sold 500k (for ex.) or more but if they didn't meet that dollar percentage level, then they would not get the award. and viceversa, if an album sold , say, 420k or less but they more than made the money percentage, they would get the award.
                                                          singles, a diff thing though
                                                          on a personal note, i've heard of many artists that didn't want those certs so much because that would mean they should pay more taxes

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                                                          • #89
                                                            I think this question is correct in this forum..can I ask why some countries like Argentina, Iceland,Slovakia or Bulgaria do not publish their certifications
                                                            Where are the cerrtifications now published in Greece??in which chart is based the singles?same question for Turkey?
                                                            and the slovenian album chart is official...why is not included in IFPI LIST??
                                                            I hope someone can give me an answer....thanks in advance.....

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                                                            • #90
                                                              Does anyone know what has happened to mexicancharts.com?

                                                              Or where I can find the Mexican albums chart, now the above site appears to have disappeared?

                                                              Many thanks

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