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  • Jazz Sales Thread - Miles Davis, John Coltrane & More

    Hi,

    Rather than opening a Miles Davis thread that will remain almost empty, I open this thread to speak about all Jazz albums.

    Many of them sell loads since decades and reached incredible sales. I will start with the absolute Classic album Kind Of Blue. Figures that I have got for it:

    US
    Certified 4xPlatinum by the RIAA in 2008. This award appears to concern sales from around 1991 to 2008 only. Indeed, it sold 3m copies according to Soundscan alone, it was first certified Gold in 1993. It sold in particular 105k in 1995 according to Soundscan.
    Since he passed in 1991, we may think the album started to sell well that year, which explains why it wasn't certified before. While it is obvious that his death may have increased his catalog sales, it would be a huge mistake to think this album wasn't selling before. Allmusic point out 2 positions for this album in the US: #37 in the Jazz album chart in 1977 and #10 in the same chart in 1987. The question is, how much as it sold from 1959 to 1991? It sold an average of 220k per year in the last 18 years, even assuming only 60k per year from 59 to 91, that adds 2 more millions to the 4 millions certified.

    UK
    Certified Gold in April 1998 for sales from... April 1997. It charted 12 weeks in those 12 months, peaking at 92, it was certainly selling well on Music Clubs too. Charted 3 weeks in 2000 peaking at 164, it had a huge year 2001 charting 33 weeks and peaking at 63, selling an estimated 75k in that year. Sales around 20k/year since then. That is 100k + 75k + 20k*8 = 335k in the last 11 years.

    Still sales of 38 years missing...

    France
    Double Gold in 99 for sales 63-99, Platinum in 2000 for sales 63-2000. We can doubt those sales were completely audited yet, especialy since it jumped from 200k to 300k within' 4 months, showing they were always checking data, we do not know if it sold just 300k, 400k or 599k by that time.
    In 2000 (it was certified in January), it charted 2 non-consecutive weeks in the top 75 album chart. Let assume 40k sold. In 2001 it charted as high as #29 in the main chart, it was most of the year in the top 150. Sales estimated at 60-70k for that year. It stills sell pretty well every year, it charted 11 weeks in the top 40 catalog chart in 2008 for example. It sold around 220k since it was certified Platinum. Depending on how comprehensive this award was, it shipped anywhere from 550k to 800k since its release in France.

    Spain
    Impossible to know how much it sold since its release, but it was #14 last week! It peaked at #22 in 2005 too. Massive catalog sales.

    Netherlands
    Certified Platinum (100k) in 1996. Again, we do not know from when sales were covered. Since the beginning of the catalog chart of Netherlands (from 2002 I think), it charted 138 weeks on it (a top 50).

    We can add that it sold 1.1 million copies out of the US in 1997 + 1998. It is widely reported since at least 2004 as a 10 million selling album.


    Feel free to post every figure/comment related to Jazz.
    25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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    For people not much into Jazz, here some positions on Amazon to get an idea of strong Jazz classics.

    France
    (global rank)
    #77 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #123 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
    #222 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
    #430 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
    #649 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)
    #660 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #806 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
    #1039 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
    #1231 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
    #1291 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #1367 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
    #3705 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
    #3857 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
    #6578 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
    #7433 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
    #7500 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
    #13789 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)


    US
    #20 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #107 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #134 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
    #237 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1965)
    #513 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #662 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)
    #729 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
    #1319 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
    #1539 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
    #2099 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
    #5994 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
    #6777 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
    #9656 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
    #10825 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
    #25226 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
    #29943 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
    #30950 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
    #85671 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)

    UK
    #204 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
    #530 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
    #678 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
    #903 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)
    #1389 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
    #2627 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
    #2721 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
    #9469 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
    #16853 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
    #18140 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
    #23794 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
    #24413 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
    #59988 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
    #61744 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
    #122433 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)
    25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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    • #3
      Kind Of Blue is #7 in Spain this week
      25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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      • #4
        I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

        Great work, by the way.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HUR
          I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

          Great work, by the way.
          I'm not a fan as well, but I like to listen to a Jazz classics somedays. Kind Of Blue is easily the first step on the genre, despite being massively acclaimed as the best Jazz album ever it is also a very simple Jazz record, perfect to introduce this kind of music

          BTW, I estimate its sales to 9 million copies worldwide since 1991 to now, that's gigantic
          25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HUR
            Which should be my first step on the genre?.

            Great work, by the way.
            John Coltrane,Miles Davis and thelonious monk
            and then the crossover jazz of Sun Ra, John Zorn or Weather Report
            http://www.worldwidealbums.net/
            Worldwide sales, Daily music news, music History

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            • #7
              Thank you both.

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              • #8
                What a great thread! For a couple of months i've been really into Jazz.I especially love Coltrane and then Miles....So what about other sales Mjdangerous

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                • #9
                  It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
                  25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MJDangerous
                    It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
                    With a new cert too, 5xp!
                    Top Catalog Albums of the Soundscan era

                    Let there be rock!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dane
                      Originally posted by MJDangerous
                      It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
                      With a new cert too, 5xp!
                      I haven't even noticed, that's great
                      25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MJDangerous
                        It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
                        maybe people followed the advice you gave to HUR

                        and wow and the 5xp certification... is it only for the CD version ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spiderpig
                          Originally posted by MJDangerous
                          It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
                          maybe people followed the advice you gave to HUR

                          and wow and the 5xp certification... is it only for the CD version ?
                          That's possible. I don't know if they started to add sales prior to 1990 in that 5th award. I will ask Hanboo for its catalog run, comparing it to the evolution of its certifications may help to clarify this situation
                          25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                          • #14
                            ^^

                            Miles Davis albums (also John Coltrane and Dave Brubeck) were available at Columbia House too. It's hard to tell how many records they sold...and when!

                            Kind Of Blue couldn't have sold 1,000,000 since last year of course. It could be club sales finally certified or maybe old LP sales...
                            Top Catalog Albums of the Soundscan era

                            Let there be rock!

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                            • #15
                              That's great to hear Kind Of Blue has been upgraded to 5xPlatinum. Mile Davis' sales remain quite undercertified. Sketches Of Spain is certified Gold by the RIAA yet a Soundscan figure posted in one of the SS threads showed that the album had sold at least 700,000 copies in the US since 1991. So that one should be at least Platinum. Birth Of The Cool should be at least Gold and maybe a few others too like Milestones and In A Silent Way.

                              I also think John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock and Thelonious Monk are eligible for updates. The latter has no certified albums at all.

                              I've been into jazz since last Summer and I also recommend Miles, Coltrane along with Hancock, Monk, Ornette Coleman, Sonny Rollins and fusion groups like Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weather Report.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Dane
                                Kind Of Blue couldn't have sold 1,000,000 since last year of course. It could be club sales finally certified or maybe old LP sales...
                                It may has something to do with all the reissues, since 1984 there has been 9 (!) reissues of the album (including 2 vinyl versions).
                                It probably sold more than 5m since 1959, but 5m in the last 20 years seems a lot to me, maybe 3m soundscan + 1m club sales + 1m between 1986 (first big CD reissue) and 1991... Or maybe it sold nothing through music clubs and it sold less than 3m between 1959 and 1991 ? :-?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by HUR
                                  I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

                                  Great work, by the way.
                                  Many sometimes find jazz hard to 'get' and are a bit intimidated about where to start.

                                  The most accessible of all the classics is, I believe, Sketches of Spain by Miles Davis. Imagine the Ennio Morricone soundtracks for the Spaghetti westerns...but with a trumpet.

                                  Cannonball Adderly's "Live at the Lighthouse 1960" is my favourite but I reckon "Sketches of Spain" is the place to start.

                                  Apolgies from the non chart related nature of the post but I do think that it is the least accessible genre of music and that a some recommendations can be useful. Try this link http://www.1000recordings.com/the-list/category/jazz/ - it's a streamlined version site based on a book of recommended recording that I find to be the best of it's kind available. The jazz section is linked but other genres are listed as well.
                                  101 Albums | 501 Songs

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                                  • #18
                                    Kind Of Blue UK sales from 1998 to chart week of 28th April 2001,

                                    '98 : 32k
                                    '99 : 46k
                                    '00 : 33k (& 205th best selling albums artist with 85,834)
                                    '01 (to chart week of Apr 28th when it debuted in the top 75 at #70, 42 years to the day after being released, certified Gold) : 23k

                                    So it sold 134,000 in just this 3.3 year period at 40k average per year.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by RollingBob
                                      Kind Of Blue UK sales from 1998 to chart week of 28th April 2001,

                                      '98 : 32k
                                      '99 : 46k
                                      '00 : 33k (& 205th best selling albums artist with 85,834)
                                      '01 (to chart week of Apr 28th when it debuted in the top 75 at #70, 42 years to the day after being released, certified Gold) : 23k

                                      So it sold 134,000 in just this 3.3 year period at 40k average per year.
                                      Interesting. So it should be at least Platinum over here.

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                                      • #20


                                        Italy

                                        #60 KIND OF BLUE
                                        DAVIS, MILES
                                        Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                        • #21
                                          Norway
                                          mid-price, week 11

                                          1 KIND OF BLUE - DAVIS MILES
                                          Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                          • #22
                                            Sweden
                                            mid-price, week 17

                                            #5 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis

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                                            • #23
                                              Originally posted by Mael
                                              Sweden
                                              mid-price, week 17

                                              #5 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis
                                              +1, this week!

                                              4 ( 5)
                                              / 19/ MILES DAVIS
                                              KIND OF BLUE
                                              Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                              • #24
                                                And +8 in France (backcatalogue):

                                                #10 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis
                                                Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                                • #25
                                                  Top Catalog Albums
                                                  Week Ending 5/31/09

                                                  Wks Rank Scans
                                                  On Label 2W LW TW * Artist Title TW LW % RTD

                                                  24 COL 157 119 115 DAVIS*MILES KIND OF BLUE 1,642 1,646 0 3,045,793
                                                  Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Norway
                                                    dvd chart, week 30

                                                    10. (NY) 1 Miles Davis
                                                    The Miles Davis Story
                                                    Prisoner Of Rock'n'Roll

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                                                    • #27
                                                      I thought I would revive this thread with the information I have found for a number of jazz artists. I decided to leave out smooth jazz as I don't consider it to be proper jazz so the likes of Kenny G, George Benson and Bob James are not featured here. I have also left out Herb Alpert for the same reason I have left out Frank Sinatra as they are more traditional pop artists than jazz. Some may also think that Norah Jones doesn't really belong here as her more recent material has moved away somewhat from her jazz roots but I've put her here anyway as I feel she has more of a place here than the other artists I've left out. I have also allowed allow fusion artists and groups.

                                                      So, with that out of the way, here are RIAA awards for the following jazz artists:

                                                      Louis Armstrong

                                                      Hello, Dolly: Gold
                                                      What A Wonderful World: Platinum
                                                      All-Time Greatest Hits: Gold
                                                      20th Century Masters – Best Of: Gold

                                                      Tom Browne

                                                      Love Approach: Gold

                                                      Dave Brubeck

                                                      Time Out: Platinum
                                                      Greatest Hits: Gold

                                                      John Coltrane

                                                      Blue Train: Gold
                                                      A Love Supreme: Gold

                                                      Miles Davis

                                                      Kind Of Blue: 4xPlatinum
                                                      Sketches Of Spain: Gold
                                                      Bitches Brew: Platinum

                                                      Al DiMeola

                                                      Elegant Gypsy: Gold

                                                      Ella Fitzgerald

                                                      The Best Of The Songbooks: Gold

                                                      Maynard Ferguson

                                                      Conquistador: Gold

                                                      Stan Getz

                                                      Getz/Gilberto: Gold

                                                      Benny Goodman

                                                      Live At Carnegie Hall: Gold

                                                      Herbie Hancock

                                                      Head Hunters: Platinum
                                                      Future Shock: Platinum

                                                      Norah Jones

                                                      Come Away With Me: 10xPlatinum
                                                      Feels Like Home: 4xPlatinum
                                                      Not Too Late: 2xPlatinum

                                                      Stanley Jordan

                                                      Magic Touch: Gold (US)

                                                      Diana Krall

                                                      All For You: Gold
                                                      Love Scenes: Platinum
                                                      When I Look In Your Eyes: Platinum
                                                      The Look Of Love: Platinum
                                                      Live In Paris: Gold
                                                      The Girl In The Other Room: Gold
                                                      Christmas Songs: Gold

                                                      Ramsey Lewis

                                                      Sun Goddess: Gold (US)

                                                      John McLaughlin

                                                      Love Devotion Surrender: Gold (US) *

                                                      *Collaboration with Carlos Santana

                                                      Mahavishnu Orchestra

                                                      Birds Of Fire: Gold (US)

                                                      Wynton Marsalis

                                                      Hot House Flowers: Gold (US)
                                                      Standard Time: Gold (US)

                                                      Pat Metheny Group

                                                      Still Life (Talking): Gold
                                                      Letter From Home: Gold
                                                      Secret Story: Gold *

                                                      *Solo Pat Metheny album

                                                      Glen Miller

                                                      In The Digital Mood: Gold

                                                      Return To Forever

                                                      Romantic Warrior: Gold

                                                      Weather Report

                                                      Heavy Weather: Platinum

                                                      US3

                                                      Hand On The Torch: Platinum [/b]

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                                                      • #28
                                                        And here is the Soundscan info I have:

                                                        Dave Brubeck

                                                        Time Out: 1,117,000 (May 2008)

                                                        John Coltrane

                                                        A Love Supreme: 449,111 (Oct 2004) - A July 2007 Billboard article states that this has sold over 500,000 in the SS era)

                                                        Miles Davis

                                                        Career total: 9,500,000 (Sep 2005)

                                                        Birth Of The Cool: 359,000 2006
                                                        Kind Of Blue: 3,045,793 (13th June 2009)
                                                        Sketches Of Spain: 720,000 2006
                                                        In A Silent Way: 175,000 2006
                                                        Bitches Brew: 350,000 2006

                                                        Herbie Hancock

                                                        Possibilities: 321,000 (March 2006)
                                                        River - The Joni Letter: 257,000 (October 2008)

                                                        Charles Mingus

                                                        Mingus Ah Um: 166,000 (July 2007)

                                                        Thelonious Monk

                                                        Thelonious Monk Quartet With John Coltrane At Carnegie Hall: 257,000 (2005 though sales were first reported in Billboard article from July 2007)

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Some observations I have over the info I have posted:

                                                          The majority of these albums have been released by just 3 major label groups: Blue Note (EMI), Columbia (Sony) and Verve (Universal). In terms of total sales, Blue Note leads the way with 18m although its total is largely down to the extraordinary success they have achieved with Norah Jones, one of the biggest artists of the 2000s. Columbia has the most jazz artists going Gold and Platinum and its 14.5m tally is not far behind Blue Note's. Verve Music Group (comprising Verve, GRP and Impulse) is at 8m and also boast a decent amount of artists.

                                                          What surprises me is that Warner is totally absent. Pat Metheny's albums were distributed by Warner when they were the distributing label for Geffen but are now under Universal's ownership. Coltrane recorded Giant Steps and My Favourite Things for Warner's Atlantic label but neither are certified although another thread shows that they are eligible for Platinum so its anyone's guess whether Atlantic will bother to certify these. They also released Ornette Coleman albums such as the classics The Shape Of Jazz To Come and Change Of The Century, which are also likely for awards. Herbie Hancock had a brief stint with Warner in the late 1960s/early 1970s and Miles Davis released his post-1985 output through them but none of these albums were big sellers so probably aren't eligible for any awards.

                                                          The Soundscan data shows just how undercertified many of these artists are. Miles Davis alone should have several more Gold and Platinum awards than he currently does. The Charles Mingus album could also be eligible for Gold by now. As these are both Columbia artists, who knows if they can be bothered to certify these decades old but still selling albums?

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Thanks for the info Priestfan.
                                                            Its gratifying that John Coltrane is still selling and getting awards-a true genius.

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