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    Only the top 30 of the Record Business Top 100 was based solely on sales. Below #30 it was based on a mixture of sales and airplay. The one thing RB had in its favour (over the BMRB chart) was it had a wider chart panel that included more indie record stores. The BMRB chart also apparently had restrictive rules about including songs that weren't selling in more than one or two regions. Sales of certain regional hits from mainly Lancashire and Yorkshire were sometimes ignored or downgraded, which particularly affected Northern Soul hits. Record labels were (apparently) told to prove certain records were selling outside of those two regions.

    How much of the above is true I don't know, it may be true, it may not be. It is something I have been aware of for many years though.

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    • #3
      The RB chart was also subject to hyping attempts (as you mention), including one occasion where a record was placed inside the top 30 of the RB chart on strong sales from Liverpool that were subsequently proven to be false. The single was never placed within the BMRB top 75.

      On the other hand, the BMRB chart wasn't able to pick up sales from acts such as the Crass which sold outside of their chart panel but which were enough to place particular singles within the top 40 of other sales charts. Accuracy and hyped (false) sales go hand in hand where sales panels are limited with any one particular chart only able to prove accuracy within the limitations of that particular chart sample.

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        • #5
          Alan Jones firmly detested the Kelly Marie record! His article in Chartfile in Record Mirror on August 9, 1980 contains some interesting facts about Feels Like I'm In Love, including the fact it was the biggest selling single in one Yorkshire region in a week when it was struggling to chart inside the BMRB chart.

          His article can be read here:

          http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/1980/3 ... Albums.jpg

          It had meandered around #s 102 to 150 for several weeks before climbing to #97 and then finally entering the Top 75 at #61 a week later.

          Another article by Alan Jones about the same record can be found here:

          http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/1980/3 ... Albums.jpg

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          • #6
            Incidentally, I don't know if you know but Alan Jones was working for Record Business at the time he wrote those two articles, he was the compiler of their Indie Singles and Albums charts which also used to appear in Sounds each week.

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            • #7
              [quote="Robbie"] It had meandered around #s 102 to 150 for several weeks before climbing to #97 and then finally entering the Top 75 at #61 a week later.

              Oh, for those elusive BMRB Top 200s!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Robbie
                The RB chart was also subject to hyping attempts (as you mention), including one occasion where a record was placed inside the top 30 of the RB chart on strong sales from Liverpool that were subsequently proven to be false. The single was never placed within the BMRB top 75.

                On the other hand, the BMRB chart wasn't able to pick up sales from acts such as the Crass which sold outside of their chart panel but which were enough to place particular singles within the top 40 of other sales charts. Accuracy and hyped (false) sales go hand in hand where sales panels are limited with any one particular chart only able to prove accuracy within the limitations of that particular chart sample.
                Further to my comments here, the chart compiler where the mysterious record made the top 30 without being placed anywhere in any other chart is the elusive Radio & Record News chart that was compiled by Gallup in pre official chart days (and in the organisations first attempts at compiling record charts). The single - which was never named by Alan Jones who commented upon it - made #29 seemingly on sales from one dealer in Merseyside who reported 2,000 sales! Alan Jones reported on this rather obvious hyping attempt in Record Mirror on January 1, 1983 when Gallup were about to take over compilation of the official singles chart.

                Radio & Record News existed until about 1980 when it went out of business due to massive debts and Gallup were left owed a massive amount of money. Gallup then decided to bid for the rights to compile the official charts...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gambo
                  Originally posted by Robbie
                  It had meandered around #s 102 to 150 for several weeks before climbing to #97 and then finally entering the Top 75 at #61 a week later.
                  Oh, for those elusive BMRB Top 200s!
                  I know, I wish someone could find them!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Graham76man
                      Alan Jones firmly detested the Kelly Marie record! His article in Chartfile in Record Mirror on August 9, 1980 contains some interesting facts about Feels Like I'm In Love, including the fact it was the biggest selling single in one Yorkshire region in a week when it was struggling to chart inside the BMRB chart.

                      His article can be read here:
                      I remember reading the article at the time. It wasn't very often Record Mirror commented on local sales charts from ILR. I also remember the record entering the Hallam Top 40, as it was rare for it to break with the national chart (so much say they extended it to a top 50), excepting the fact it was a bit quicker than it. Hallam itself was often voted top radio station for picking hits, with Keith Skues (DJ) the best (predictor) and often top nationally.
                      Many years ago (back in the 70s) Record Mirror used to carry a number of radio station playlists - Hallam was always noted for its ability to playlist all the poppier side of disco hits back then. It was also the first to go for the excellent "From Here To Eternity" by Giorgio (Moroder). Yorkshire and Lancashire were always the first regions to buy the "handbag disco" songs... Baccara used to do sell well in both regions! Unfortunately so did Liquid Gold... Dance Yourself Dizzy anyone!

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                      • #12
                        The infomation Record Mirror printed was the same as was the back of the Top 50 pull out that came with Music Week @ the time less the top 10 growers & top 10 adds. They printed it for a year or thereabouts.

                        The Record Business chart was compiled by MRIB (aka Barry Lazzell) and continued after the magazine folded at the end of 1981 (as it was part financed by the IRL stations that took it) It was published in Sounds strangely as up until that time Spotlight had a long realtionship with the BMRB (though it might of bbeen around the time Gallup took over compiling the chart)

                        Radio and Records was the renamed Needletie magazine & along with it's Gallup compiled sales chart also printed most radio stations complete Playlists.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks Graham!

                            I remember Gangsters by The Special AKA (The Specials) charting early on the Record Business chart (RB compiled the chart carried by Superpop) it's here at number 61 in a chart dated two weeks before it made the BMRB chart. I'm not sure to what extent its chart position here in RB / Superpop would be down to sales since airplay was factored in to positions below number 30. In addition former top 30 hits with two weeks falling down the chart below number 30 were apparently removed from the chart.

                            I do remember I bought the single before it made the BMRB Top 75. It was being played on evening Radio 1 programmes for a while before it made the BMRB chart but I'd imagine R1 airplay would not be included in the chart - I'd imagine it was probably just ILR playlists that were factored in.

                            Am I right in saying that the Superpop title was incorporated within Record Mirror for a short while when Superpop closed, much like Popstar (?) had been the previous summer when that short-lived title closed?

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                              • #16
                                Thanks again for this Graham!

                                The story at the time was that 'Kid' by the Pretenders (one of the songs on Radio 1s Records Of the Week) was supposed to be about Kid Jensen. I'm not sure if that's true...

                                If you do make a PDF of your scans I would be very interested in seeing it but I would imagine it would be very time consuming putting all the scans into a PDF file.

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                                  • #18
                                    There's nothing I can add substantively to this thread sadly, but I should say that I'm grateful to people like Graham and Robbie who never let up on pondering the state of the record business and charts compilation from the 1970s/'80s era, and however much time has elapsed on a previous thread they will still endeavour to return to it when something 'new' has emerged. Any insights into alternative rankings of hits, however brief or incomplete, are very welcome, especially from the pre-Gallup period.

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                                    • #19
                                      Good to see them Graham. Keep 'em coming.

                                      The compilation of RB is of interest, with the top 30 based on sales (like Robbie said). It was a Friday to Thursday comp. There was a 5% airplay attachment in the 31 to 100, but also records falling for more than 2 weeks running & having sales falls, were dropped totally in that 31 to 100 part, too. The top 30 tended to favour the more punky/rocky thing, too. Though (of course) it was broadcasted on Independant Radio, like Capital etc. So, very different today's repetitive playlisted Big Top 40 overplayed stuff.

                                      Originally (when Superpop began on 20th Jan 1979) it featured the Radio One top 75s. Then (from 23rd June 79) it switched to using the RB charts. They were available from Monday's & RB (itself) published on the same day, with a week beginning date on the front (rather than w/k ending). The 26th Jan 1980 was the final edition of Superpop. Don't know who listed RB charts, during the rest of 1980 (apart from RBM itself).

                                      Sounds listed them, from 19th Sept 1981 to Feb 1983 & their finsh. Sounds being the only paper, not to feature a UK Pop singles chart from March 83 to April 84. I believe some Local evening papers, also printed the top 30 segment, too. The early ones (March 78 to June 79) seem hard to come by in full. Possibly the Newspaper Library has them, but they'd be filed away with Music Week, I should think.

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                                        • #21
                                          Great research, Graham!
                                          Thank you very much. Yesterday me and my wife were minimizing the size of a photo. We just used MS Paint (simple graphics painting program that has been included with all versions of Microsoft Windows) and it worked fine.

                                          Where can i find your blog?
                                          I'm looking for "TOP POPS/MUSIC NOW" and "MERSEYBEAT / MUSIC ECHO" Charts to complete my 60's singles charts collection.

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                                            • #23
                                              Those Record Business' and MRIB charts are very interesting stuff, Graham!

                                              Do you know whether RB compiled their own specialists Charts (Disco, Soul & etc.) or they taken those Charts from other sources?
                                              I'm looking for "TOP POPS/MUSIC NOW" and "MERSEYBEAT / MUSIC ECHO" Charts to complete my 60's singles charts collection.

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